(10-04-2021 08:32 AM)Curtisc83 Wrote:  

(10-04-2021 08:24 AM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(10-04-2021 08:18 AM)Curtisc83 Wrote:  

(10-04-2021 08:06 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(10-04-2021 07:35 AM)covingtontiger Wrote:  Interesting reading the diatribes against Liberty.

Suppose I told you there was a school that was a religious institution, whose religion discriminated against women by not allowing them in the priesthood, and who opposed abortion? Would that disqualify them?

Are you going to reject Notre Dame?

this isnt a black and white case.. people try to remove the complexities and pretend like its yes or no based on individual characteristics

1) its obvious liberty's religious ties are drastically stronger (not even in the same hemisphere) as ND.. using minor similarities to draw equivalence makes no sense..
this is the same as those who try to draw similarities to SMU because of the name southern "Methodist" university

2) everything is weighed on a scale.. it is not a yes or no solely based on 1 part but an overall picture with all of its components
byu who does have similar branding in regards to social issues the aac would have taken in a heartbeat ..

byu is ranked extremely highly in academics, byu draws 60k every home game, byu has a strong track record of success in athletic dating back decades (not a flash in the pan), byu has an established brand and fanbase

if liberty had those things theyd already be in the aac without hesitation ..
on top of the very bad track record with social issues, liberty is extremely poorly ranked academically, only does 17k attendance, almost no notable brand recognition, recently coming off a major scandal

Is that all it takes? Have a long history with a church that doesn't let women into the priesthood and is pretty cool with priests touching little boys pee pee's but have a even longer history of winning and its totally cool. Is that why the Penn State Peds get a pass too?

I need to write this down.....have a long sports history and can do whatever you want forever.....got it.

Penn State got far from a pass

So its cool now? Is there a special statute of limitations in college sports I'm not in the know about. I'm I required to give P5's passes on their atrocities because of history?

What? It was never cool.

(10-03-2021 09:56 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  Nothing says 'really allowing diversity' like Liberty University lol

Who cares what they do? Like I said, don’t go there if you don’t want to.

Hooray for cancel culture.

(10-04-2021 08:55 AM)Curtisc83 Wrote:  When did I say that LU should be in the AAC? It would be cool if we were but I like being Indy. What I'm doing is attempting to poke holes in folks saying we don't have this or that or too much of something else while other schools do something similar and get a pass because of a history of winning.

becuase its common sense ..and happens everywhere in life

bad qualities being overlooked for being exceptional in other categories is EVERY DAY LIFE

a hot girl dating a ugly guy with tons of money, is not justification that ugly guys will all get hot girls

(10-04-2021 08:54 AM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(10-04-2021 08:35 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(10-04-2021 08:24 AM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(10-04-2021 08:18 AM)Curtisc83 Wrote:  Is that why the Penn State Peds get a pass too?

Penn State got far from a pass

That’s an interesting comment to me. The only punishment I’m aware that Penn State had to face was (1.) writing out some very, very large checks, and (2.) enduring the media snark/hostility. Was there anything beyond that? I know for a while the NCAA said that it did not “recognize” some of Penn State’s victories, but even that purely symbolic gesture was taken back after a while, iirc.

$73 million in fines, $93 million in lawsuits, loss of scholarships, and postseason bans for 4 years. Most of the punishment went through the legal system all the way down to insurance and financial system.

Compare the shutting down the SMU program (much lesser crimes) versus Penn State institutional coverup of rape. Penn State program should have been shut down, period.

(10-04-2021 08:59 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(10-03-2021 09:56 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  Nothing says 'really allowing diversity' like Liberty University lol

Who cares what they do? Like I said, don’t go there if you don’t want to.

Hooray for cancel culture.

And the AAC is not telling them what they can or can’t do. The AAC has the right to associate with whoever they want.

Hooray for Choice.

(10-04-2021 09:01 AM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(10-04-2021 08:54 AM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(10-04-2021 08:35 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(10-04-2021 08:24 AM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(10-04-2021 08:18 AM)Curtisc83 Wrote:  Is that why the Penn State Peds get a pass too?

Penn State got far from a pass

That’s an interesting comment to me. The only punishment I’m aware that Penn State had to face was (1.) writing out some very, very large checks, and (2.) enduring the media snark/hostility. Was there anything beyond that? I know for a while the NCAA said that it did not “recognize” some of Penn State’s victories, but even that purely symbolic gesture was taken back after a while, iirc.

$73 million in fines, $93 million in lawsuits, loss of scholarships, and postseason bans for 4 years. Most of the punishment went through the legal system all the way down to insurance and financial system.

Compare the shutting down the SMU program (much lesser crimes) versus Penn State institutional coverup of rape. Penn State program should have been shut down, period.

The argument isn’t if we think the punishment was harsh enough, it’s that they didn’t get off without punishment.

(10-04-2021 08:59 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(10-03-2021 09:56 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  Nothing says 'really allowing diversity' like Liberty University lol

Who cares what they do? Like I said, don’t go there if you don’t want to.

Hooray for cancel culture.

the conference cares if they want to expand with them.. you comment makes it seem like we are just trashing liberty for no reason and not in the context of adding them to the league

(10-04-2021 08:54 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(10-04-2021 08:46 AM)Curtisc83 Wrote:  You must be new because what I am doing is exactly what people post about LU, its just different stuff. But you are right HOW DARE I say things that are true....the nerve.

you muct be new.. everytime people start taking the extremely horribel track record of liberty here.. and the religion tied to it which are all based on FACT!!
it gets deleted... im aregualr poster here, liberty has been brought up nonstop.. stating liberty has no chance is common... rarely do it ever delve into why on a social level

trashing Christianity has never been a point of topic here like you are doing cathlocism

I don't see how ND isn't different. Can a female do a priesthood program at ND? Nope the Congregation of Holy Cross is pretty clear about that. Does the Congregation of Holy Cross accept gays? I doubt it but I'm looking. Is the Congregation of Holy Cross ok with abortion? Doubtful but I'm also looking. Some of these things are exactly what people find wrong with LU.

Liberty fans: "They persecute us because we're a Christian school"
Also Liberty fans: "Look at all these Christian schools in conferences"

(10-04-2021 09:01 AM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(10-04-2021 08:54 AM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(10-04-2021 08:35 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(10-04-2021 08:24 AM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(10-04-2021 08:18 AM)Curtisc83 Wrote:  Is that why the Penn State Peds get a pass too?

Penn State got far from a pass

That’s an interesting comment to me. The only punishment I’m aware that Penn State had to face was (1.) writing out some very, very large checks, and (2.) enduring the media snark/hostility. Was there anything beyond that? I know for a while the NCAA said that it did not “recognize” some of Penn State’s victories, but even that purely symbolic gesture was taken back after a while, iirc.

$73 million in fines, $93 million in lawsuits, loss of scholarships, and postseason bans for 4 years. Most of the punishment went through the legal system all the way down to insurance and financial system.

Compare the shutting down the SMU program (much lesser crimes) versus Penn State institutional coverup of rape. Penn State program should have been shut down, period.

The NCAA long ago admitted the SMU punishment was far too harsh. If the Penn St scandal had happened in the 1980s they would have been shut down, but the NCAA discovered after SMU that destroying a fanbase and university was a step too far..

(10-04-2021 09:08 AM)Curtisc83 Wrote:  

(10-04-2021 08:54 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(10-04-2021 08:46 AM)Curtisc83 Wrote:  You must be new because what I am doing is exactly what people post about LU, its just different stuff. But you are right HOW DARE I say things that are true....the nerve.

you muct be new.. everytime people start taking the extremely horribel track record of liberty here.. and the religion tied to it which are all based on FACT!!
it gets deleted... im aregualr poster here, liberty has been brought up nonstop.. stating liberty has no chance is common... rarely do it ever delve into why on a social level

trashing Christianity has never been a point of topic here like you are doing cathlocism

I don't see how ND isn't different. Can a female do a priesthood program at ND? Nope the Congregation of Holy Cross is pretty clear about that. Does the Congregation of Holy Cross accept gays? I doubt it but I'm looking. Is the Congregation of Holy Cross ok with abortion? Doubtful but I'm also looking. Some of these things are exactly what people find wrong with LU.

imposing rules on an entire student body of 45k a year including those who are just there for the academics (like my cousin who was on the soccer team there)... and imposing rule on the on the 3 women who want to be priests are not remotely close to the same thing

I think Liberty would be a shoo in if they operated similarly to an SMU, Tulsa, or Tulane. Take social stances out of it. Would they even be in the picture if it wasn’t for the ATM that is their online component?

(10-03-2021 03:01 PM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  

(10-03-2021 02:53 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(10-03-2021 02:50 PM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  Liberty deserve a full membership invite, good athletics all around.

Deserves got nothing to do with it.

[/Clint Eastwood voice]

SOOOOO. don't add Liberty because you hate what they stand for? Isn't that illegal? There's a name for that.

yes its called religious bigotry

but by all means, carry on

(10-04-2021 09:11 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(10-04-2021 09:08 AM)Curtisc83 Wrote:  

(10-04-2021 08:54 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(10-04-2021 08:46 AM)Curtisc83 Wrote:  You must be new because what I am doing is exactly what people post about LU, its just different stuff. But you are right HOW DARE I say things that are true....the nerve.

you muct be new.. everytime people start taking the extremely horribel track record of liberty here.. and the religion tied to it which are all based on FACT!!
it gets deleted... im aregualr poster here, liberty has been brought up nonstop.. stating liberty has no chance is common... rarely do it ever delve into why on a social level

trashing Christianity has never been a point of topic here like you are doing cathlocism

I don't see how ND isn't different. Can a female do a priesthood program at ND? Nope the Congregation of Holy Cross is pretty clear about that. Does the Congregation of Holy Cross accept gays? I doubt it but I'm looking. Is the Congregation of Holy Cross ok with abortion? Doubtful but I'm also looking. Some of these things are exactly what people find wrong with LU.

imposing rules on an entire student body of 45k a year including those who are just there for the academics (like my cousin who was on the soccer team there)... and imposing rule on the on the 3 women who want to be priests are not remotely close to the same thing

yeah, pretty much the same thing. Ask your future BFF's at BYU

(10-04-2021 09:08 AM)Curtisc83 Wrote:  

(10-04-2021 08:54 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(10-04-2021 08:46 AM)Curtisc83 Wrote:  You must be new because what I am doing is exactly what people post about LU, its just different stuff. But you are right HOW DARE I say things that are true....the nerve.

you muct be new.. everytime people start taking the extremely horribel track record of liberty here.. and the religion tied to it which are all based on FACT!!
it gets deleted... im aregualr poster here, liberty has been brought up nonstop.. stating liberty has no chance is common... rarely do it ever delve into why on a social level

trashing Christianity has never been a point of topic here like you are doing cathlocism

I don't see how ND isn't different. Can a female do a priesthood program at ND? Nope the Congregation of Holy Cross is pretty clear about that. Does the Congregation of Holy Cross accept gays? I doubt it but I'm looking. Is the Congregation of Holy Cross ok with abortion? Doubtful but I'm also looking. Some of these things are exactly what people find wrong with LU.

Not the same. You can be an LGBTQ student at Notre Dame and be open about yourself and be able to express your love for your partner without the University punishing or expelling you. You can be an LGBTQ worker at ND and your partner receive same benefits as other couples do.
Can they do the same at Liberty U?

(10-04-2021 09:09 AM)CLTPirate Wrote:  Liberty fans: "They persecute us because we're a Christian school"
Also Liberty fans: "Look at all these Christian schools in conferences"

Temple University (Temple or TU) is a state-related public research university in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. It was founded in 1884 by the Baptist minister Russell Conwell. On May 12, 1888, it was renamed the Temple College of Philadelphia. By 1907, the institution revised its institutional status and was incorporated as a research university.

It takes about 100 years for the fervor of religious bigotry to lose its charm.

(10-04-2021 09:09 AM)CLTPirate Wrote:  Liberty fans: "They persecute us because we're a Christian school"
Also Liberty fans: "Look at all these Christian schools in conferences"

ND isn't in a conference and BYU is kind of Christian and in a conference. That's whom I have mentioned.

I have said this a few times but I'm happy with LU being a Indy. Its a fun schedule and maybe that will bite us in the butt later but we will cross that bridge when we get there. I have said this less times but I am posting because I think this is funny and I'm not trolling but its close.....LOL

(10-04-2021 09:08 AM)Curtisc83 Wrote:  Some of these things are exactly what people find wrong with LU.

When you look up LGBT and Notre Dame the first five things are all about ND offering places for LGBT students to go for counseling specific to them, things about ND calling themselves an ally to LGBT. ND holds pro LGBT events.

When you look up LGBT and Liberty the first thing is about a student being kicked out of her dorm for having a same-sex partner. An article just a few months ago describing how Liberty's few LGBT students feel like the university promotes a "Culture of fear" when it comes to being LGBT.

“We were told that we couldn’t have families,” said Andrew Hahn, a former student who is openly gay. “We were told that we would never be happy.”

“One individual was expelled for holding hands and I believe making out with a same-sex individual,” said Tyler Milton, a former student who says he identified as a gay man on campus

(10-04-2021 08:54 AM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(10-04-2021 08:35 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  The only punishment I’m aware that Penn State had to face was (1.) writing out some very, very large checks, and (2.) enduring the media snark/hostility. Was there anything beyond that? I know for a while the NCAA said that it did not “recognize” some of Penn State’s victories, but even that purely symbolic gesture was taken back after a while, iirc.

$73 million in fines, $93 million in lawsuits, loss of scholarships, and postseason bans for 4 years. Most of the punishment went through the legal system all the way down to insurance and financial system.

The postseason ban may have been initially announced at 4 years, but it turned out to be only 2 years: 2012 and 2013, which wouldn’t have been major bowls anyway (8-4 and 7-5).

I acknowledged the “very, very large checks”. I will take your word for it on the total $ amount.

(10-04-2021 09:14 AM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(10-04-2021 09:08 AM)Curtisc83 Wrote:  

(10-04-2021 08:54 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(10-04-2021 08:46 AM)Curtisc83 Wrote:  You must be new because what I am doing is exactly what people post about LU, its just different stuff. But you are right HOW DARE I say things that are true....the nerve.

you muct be new.. everytime people start taking the extremely horribel track record of liberty here.. and the religion tied to it which are all based on FACT!!
it gets deleted... im aregualr poster here, liberty has been brought up nonstop.. stating liberty has no chance is common... rarely do it ever delve into why on a social level

trashing Christianity has never been a point of topic here like you are doing cathlocism

I don't see how ND isn't different. Can a female do a priesthood program at ND? Nope the Congregation of Holy Cross is pretty clear about that. Does the Congregation of Holy Cross accept gays? I doubt it but I'm looking. Is the Congregation of Holy Cross ok with abortion? Doubtful but I'm also looking. Some of these things are exactly what people find wrong with LU.

Not the same. You can be an LGBTQ student at Notre Dame and be open about yourself and be able to express your love for your partner without the University punishing or expelling you. You can be an LGBTQ worker at ND and your partner receive same benefits as other couples do.
Can they do the same at Liberty U?

So we never have to worry about an Islamic University joining.

The pretzel logic is about to get fun here. Diversity is our strength?