(10-04-2021 07:07 AM)Curtisc83 Wrote:  

(10-04-2021 06:55 AM)panama Wrote:  

(10-04-2021 06:50 AM)Curtisc83 Wrote:  

(10-04-2021 06:40 AM)CLTPirate Wrote:  

(10-04-2021 06:07 AM)jollyroger Wrote:  Liberty offers an alternative to the woke, gender bending, communist curriculum and professors that most publics and many privates are churning out non stop. Not many anitfa members went to Liberty. That's actually a GOOD THING. Are we all required to constantly adapt and accept whatever social redo is being thrust upon us at the time? Diversity of thought is good. People who send their kids to Liberty know they are a Christian based school and they won't be subjected to ridicule and mockery by being in their programs

There are several universities that are Christian conservative leaning in the p5 and g5. But none of these schools treat LGBT people like they’re the devil incarnate.

Not sure we treat them like the devil but for fun I googled BYU and this story came up that's just 3 days old. BYU isn't P5 yet but they will be and I'm pretty sure the AAC would let BYU in.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nc...954659001/

You dont institutionally and culturally fit in a coonference of urban metro national research universities.

So its not the Gay thing then? Or is it the Gay thing but only applies to us. Or is it now we aren't a R1 research school now? But if its Boise its ok to not be a research school. Maybe the we are a online diploma mill thing with a graduation rate of 39% (odd diploma mill). Or is it not enough marketz now....or too much marketz to conservatives. Or we have too much money and only schools hard up on cash are accepted?

Look I don't care about joining the AAC but if I was the AAC I would offer invites to schools that offer something to the conference. Lots of these candidates would offer nothing to yalls conference and no that's not me saying LU should be that school just having fun posting.

Liberty can't be accused of being a diploma mill, but they are very much an online class for profit mill. They differ from virtually every other legitimate college or university by offering online classes for money with zero consideration of graduation rates..This obviously is looked down upon by most other schools, but it has also made Liberty wildly wealthy compared to most schools..

In my opinion, Liberty, because of its online for profit approach, its generally poor academic standards, and its political/cultural stances which make it a lightening rod for criticism, is never going to be invited into any conference where school presidents have to explain why they voted yes..

That said, Liberty is already in the ASun conference for Olympic sports, and since its already a member school presidents don't have to make any justifications..The ASun has hinted at gradually attempting to gain FBS status. Liberty has the ability to help them do it..Liberty could use its financial might and marketability to help elevate the conference and attract a media deal.. Help those that have already accepted you and build on to the house where you already live..

Being an Independent has its advantages, but unless you are Notre Dame the long term prognosis isn't sustainable, and even now for ND, it may be limiting their football ceiling..

(10-04-2021 08:07 AM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(10-04-2021 07:52 AM)Curtisc83 Wrote:  

(10-04-2021 07:47 AM)CLTPirate Wrote:  

(10-04-2021 07:45 AM)b2b Wrote:  

(10-04-2021 07:43 AM)CLTPirate Wrote:  If we added Liberty we'd have a school just a few hours north of ECU that basically doesn't have to play by any of the public schools rules when it comes to scholarships and NIL.

As a Sunbelt poster said

"imagine 110 football players full ride
30 baseball players full ride
8 golfers full-ride"

That's what Liberty can do with their money and NIL

How would that be a good thing? Not even mentioning the political aspect.

I couldn't care less about any of that. I think that would actually be fantastic for the conference. That's like complaining about Texas having an unfair financial advantage in the SEC.

Even Texas has way more rules to play by when it comes to things like scholarships and money than Liberty

Schools with money need not apply. AAC wants all bottom dwellers and does not want competition.

Apparently it’s not just the AAC.

I know right! Crazy world we live in.

(10-04-2021 08:07 AM)Curtisc83 Wrote:  

(10-04-2021 08:01 AM)panama Wrote:  

(10-04-2021 08:00 AM)Curtisc83 Wrote:  

(10-04-2021 07:56 AM)CLTPirate Wrote:  

(10-04-2021 07:52 AM)Curtisc83 Wrote:  Schools with money need not apply. AAC wants all bottom dwellers and does not want competition.

Yes the conference with two ranked teams one in the top 5 doesn’t want competition

Cincy is leaving bro. Because they aren't bottom dwellers.

Teams left 8 or 9 years ago and the conference rebuilt just fine.

Teams left what? The AAC isn't that old so the teams that left the CUSA and went to the Big East and split from the BE is what the AAC pretty much is. The best of the rest. What teams in the AAC left 8-9 years ago?

the aac isnt a new league.. its complicated...

the aac is the big east based on official documentaton ... the new big east just bought "the name" from the aac...this is not a formation of a new league

and in 2012 i think he is refering to losing lousivillle and other teams at the top of the aac in both sports... the aac replaced them with a bunch of schools that fit the conference MO (and sports success wasnt part of that MO) and everything turned out well...teams that werent good became good

(10-04-2021 08:06 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(10-04-2021 07:35 AM)covingtontiger Wrote:  Interesting reading the diatribes against Liberty.

Suppose I told you there was a school that was a religious institution, whose religion discriminated against women by not allowing them in the priesthood, and who opposed abortion? Would that disqualify them?

Are you going to reject Notre Dame?

this isnt a black and white case.. people try to remove the complexities and pretend like its yes or no based on individual characteristics

1) its obvious liberty's religious ties are drastically stronger (not even in the same hemisphere) as ND.. using minor similarities to draw equivalence makes no sense..
this is the same as those who try to draw similarities to SMU because of the name southern "Methodist" university

2) everything is weighed on a scale.. it is not a yes or no solely based on 1 part but an overall picture with all of its components
byu who does have similar branding in regards to social issues the aac would have taken in a heartbeat ..

byu is ranked extremely highly in academics, byu draws 60k every home game, byu has a strong track record of success in athletic dating back decades (not a flash in the pan), byu has an established brand and fanbase

if liberty had those things theyd already be in the aac without hesitation ..
on top of the very bad track record with social issues, liberty is extremely poorly ranked academically, only does 17k attendance, almost no notable brand recognition, recently coming off a major scandal

Is that all it takes? Have a long history with a church that doesn't let women into the priesthood and is pretty cool with priests touching little boys pee pee's but have a even longer history of winning and its totally cool. Is that why the Penn State Peds get a pass too?

I need to write this down.....have a long sports history and can do whatever you want forever.....got it.

(10-04-2021 08:18 AM)Curtisc83 Wrote:  

(10-04-2021 08:06 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(10-04-2021 07:35 AM)covingtontiger Wrote:  Interesting reading the diatribes against Liberty.

Suppose I told you there was a school that was a religious institution, whose religion discriminated against women by not allowing them in the priesthood, and who opposed abortion? Would that disqualify them?

Are you going to reject Notre Dame?

this isnt a black and white case.. people try to remove the complexities and pretend like its yes or no based on individual characteristics

1) its obvious liberty's religious ties are drastically stronger (not even in the same hemisphere) as ND.. using minor similarities to draw equivalence makes no sense..
this is the same as those who try to draw similarities to SMU because of the name southern "Methodist" university

2) everything is weighed on a scale.. it is not a yes or no solely based on 1 part but an overall picture with all of its components
byu who does have similar branding in regards to social issues the aac would have taken in a heartbeat ..

byu is ranked extremely highly in academics, byu draws 60k every home game, byu has a strong track record of success in athletic dating back decades (not a flash in the pan), byu has an established brand and fanbase

if liberty had those things theyd already be in the aac without hesitation ..
on top of the very bad track record with social issues, liberty is extremely poorly ranked academically, only does 17k attendance, almost no notable brand recognition, recently coming off a major scandal

Is that all it takes? Have a long history with a church that doesn't let women into the priesthood and is pretty cool with priests touching little boys pee pee's but have a even longer history of winning and its totally cool. Is that why the Penn State Peds get a pass too?

I need to write this down.....have a long sports history and can do whatever you want forever.....got it.

youve gone from being reasonable to being hysterical

(10-04-2021 08:18 AM)Curtisc83 Wrote:  

(10-04-2021 08:06 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(10-04-2021 07:35 AM)covingtontiger Wrote:  Interesting reading the diatribes against Liberty.

Suppose I told you there was a school that was a religious institution, whose religion discriminated against women by not allowing them in the priesthood, and who opposed abortion? Would that disqualify them?

Are you going to reject Notre Dame?

this isnt a black and white case.. people try to remove the complexities and pretend like its yes or no based on individual characteristics

1) its obvious liberty's religious ties are drastically stronger (not even in the same hemisphere) as ND.. using minor similarities to draw equivalence makes no sense..
this is the same as those who try to draw similarities to SMU because of the name southern "Methodist" university

2) everything is weighed on a scale.. it is not a yes or no solely based on 1 part but an overall picture with all of its components
byu who does have similar branding in regards to social issues the aac would have taken in a heartbeat ..

byu is ranked extremely highly in academics, byu draws 60k every home game, byu has a strong track record of success in athletic dating back decades (not a flash in the pan), byu has an established brand and fanbase

if liberty had those things theyd already be in the aac without hesitation ..
on top of the very bad track record with social issues, liberty is extremely poorly ranked academically, only does 17k attendance, almost no notable brand recognition, recently coming off a major scandal

Is that all it takes? Have a long history with a church that doesn't let women into the priesthood and is pretty cool with priests touching little boys pee pee's but have a even longer history of winning and its totally cool. Is that why the Penn State Peds get a pass too?

I need to write this down.....have a long sports history and can do whatever you want forever.....got it.

Penn State got far from a pass

(10-04-2021 06:07 AM)jollyroger Wrote:  

(10-04-2021 04:20 AM)b2b Wrote:  

(10-03-2021 08:10 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(10-03-2021 03:09 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(10-03-2021 03:01 PM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  SOOOOO. don't add Liberty because you hate what they stand for? Isn't that illegal? There's a name for that.

Freedom of Choice. Conferences are free to associate with who they want.

Exactly.

Frankly, let’s just be blunt about it because everyone is beating around the bush. Even more than the academic profile, there is just absolutely, 100% no way that any of the AAC members are going to support the membership of a school with Liberty’s treatment of LGBTQ+ people. It’s an absolute non-starter and not simply a religious issue as Catholic schools and even places like BYU and Baylor have adjusted. As mentioned above, Liberty was even offering lower level G5 leagues money to join and those leagues *still* didn’t want anything to do with them. It’s frankly going to be even more difficult to find university president support for them today than 5 years ago. There is no amount of money that Liberty could make the AAC (or as we’ve seen, even C-USA and the Sun Belt) that would make those university presidents reconsider. And no, it’s nothing like the Penn State scandal because the issues with Liberty are with its own institutional policies, not merely bad individual actors… although Liberty has a history with bad individual actors at the very top level, too.

University presidents look at associating themselves with Liberty that engages in discrimination based on sexual orientation as the modern equivalent of associating themselves with a school that engages in open racial discrimination. Period. That stance isn’t changing and it’s actually going to get even stronger day-by-day. Whether people here agree with that stance or not isn’t relevant and it’s not a political debate about whether it’s right or wrong or if religious freedom applies - it’s how these university presidents will ALWAYS think and it’s not changing. This is a black-and-white issue and as long as Liberty is on the wrong side of it, then they’ll need to live with FBS independence.

Yet everyone loves taking their money to play at Liberty. Hypocrites.

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Liberty offers an alternative to the woke, gender bending, communist curriculum and professors that most publics and many privates are churning out non stop. Not many anitfa members went to Liberty. That's actually a GOOD THING. Are we all required to constantly adapt and accept whatever social redo is being thrust upon us at the time? Diversity of thought is good. People who send their kids to Liberty know they are a Christian based school and they won't be subjected to ridicule and mockery by being in their programs

Wow, you hit every right wing Q-anon, big lie, conspiracy theory wet-your-pants poor persecuted eevangelical idea in one post. Well done!

(10-04-2021 08:22 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(10-04-2021 08:18 AM)Curtisc83 Wrote:  

(10-04-2021 08:06 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(10-04-2021 07:35 AM)covingtontiger Wrote:  Interesting reading the diatribes against Liberty.

Suppose I told you there was a school that was a religious institution, whose religion discriminated against women by not allowing them in the priesthood, and who opposed abortion? Would that disqualify them?

Are you going to reject Notre Dame?

this isnt a black and white case.. people try to remove the complexities and pretend like its yes or no based on individual characteristics

1) its obvious liberty's religious ties are drastically stronger (not even in the same hemisphere) as ND.. using minor similarities to draw equivalence makes no sense..
this is the same as those who try to draw similarities to SMU because of the name southern "Methodist" university

2) everything is weighed on a scale.. it is not a yes or no solely based on 1 part but an overall picture with all of its components
byu who does have similar branding in regards to social issues the aac would have taken in a heartbeat ..

byu is ranked extremely highly in academics, byu draws 60k every home game, byu has a strong track record of success in athletic dating back decades (not a flash in the pan), byu has an established brand and fanbase

if liberty had those things theyd already be in the aac without hesitation ..
on top of the very bad track record with social issues, liberty is extremely poorly ranked academically, only does 17k attendance, almost no notable brand recognition, recently coming off a major scandal

Is that all it takes? Have a long history with a church that doesn't let women into the priesthood and is pretty cool with priests touching little boys pee pee's but have a even longer history of winning and its totally cool. Is that why the Penn State Peds get a pass too?

I need to write this down.....have a long sports history and can do whatever you want forever.....got it.

youve gone from being reasonable to being hysterical

So I'm being unreasonable? You are right I need to correct my notes.

Correction on notes.....have a long sports history and said university can do whatever they want (i.e. rape, being a pedophile and barring women from jobs) forever and ever till the end of time.....got it.

(10-04-2021 07:38 AM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  

(10-03-2021 09:31 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(10-03-2021 09:29 PM)sstaedtler88 Wrote:  

(10-03-2021 07:40 PM)panama Wrote:  

(10-03-2021 06:22 PM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  It's funny how some peoples minds work, as far as I can tell, Liberty has done anything that remotely compares to the Penn State scandal, the Baylor scandal and the FSU scandal... Just to name a few, and yet all the hypocrites here would jump to kiss their A$$ES in order to be in a conference with them.

This is not hard and has been mentioned 50 times. Your real question is why will no group of conference presidents invite them.

They have 100k online students. They use tuition like an ATM. All things being equal, Presidents decide and cultural, institutional and geographic fit trumps everything until you get desperate. Liberty's operational model differs enough that Presidents who are used to research, liberal arts or even access missions will not like theirs. The SEC just added two schools that look like the rest of their schools. The Sun Belt is likely going to do the same. Liberty does not look, sound or act like anyone else in FBS. And that's why they will stay independent.

They are not getting invited because the AAC is not desperate and their are other options out there that look and sound like the voting schools. It may not be the answer you WANT but that IS the answer.

Now if someone can explain why ECU fans in particular and some other fans are playing Teddy Pendergast waiting for Liberty to show up?

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UCF only has 12,000 students on campus, which is less than Liberty. No one says anything about that.

Man give up. These posts are dumb and sound desperate. Plus no one here is going to make any decisions on who gets in.

You know what is great about this country? The fact that some people can talk as if their opinion is the only one that matters without with complete immunity, Abd at the same time insist that others can't enjoy the same freedoms or immunities.

Where am I keeping anyone from posting their opinions? I’m just letting him know how it sounds to others. He is free to continue to post and has.
But just because you have opinions doesn’t mean that they are right.
Facts are that nothing we post here for or against Liberty will make a difference on the decision by the AAC.
And yes Liberty is free to have the rules they have and run their university as they see fit and the AAC as a conference has the right to not let them in if they choose.

So Carry On. It is a Free Country After All

(10-04-2021 08:24 AM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(10-04-2021 08:18 AM)Curtisc83 Wrote:  

(10-04-2021 08:06 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(10-04-2021 07:35 AM)covingtontiger Wrote:  Interesting reading the diatribes against Liberty.

Suppose I told you there was a school that was a religious institution, whose religion discriminated against women by not allowing them in the priesthood, and who opposed abortion? Would that disqualify them?

Are you going to reject Notre Dame?

this isnt a black and white case.. people try to remove the complexities and pretend like its yes or no based on individual characteristics

1) its obvious liberty's religious ties are drastically stronger (not even in the same hemisphere) as ND.. using minor similarities to draw equivalence makes no sense..
this is the same as those who try to draw similarities to SMU because of the name southern "Methodist" university

2) everything is weighed on a scale.. it is not a yes or no solely based on 1 part but an overall picture with all of its components
byu who does have similar branding in regards to social issues the aac would have taken in a heartbeat ..

byu is ranked extremely highly in academics, byu draws 60k every home game, byu has a strong track record of success in athletic dating back decades (not a flash in the pan), byu has an established brand and fanbase

if liberty had those things theyd already be in the aac without hesitation ..
on top of the very bad track record with social issues, liberty is extremely poorly ranked academically, only does 17k attendance, almost no notable brand recognition, recently coming off a major scandal

Is that all it takes? Have a long history with a church that doesn't let women into the priesthood and is pretty cool with priests touching little boys pee pee's but have a even longer history of winning and its totally cool. Is that why the Penn State Peds get a pass too?

I need to write this down.....have a long sports history and can do whatever you want forever.....got it.

Penn State got far from a pass

So its cool now? Is there a special statute of limitations in college sports I'm not in the know about. I'm I required to give P5's passes on their atrocities because of history?

(10-04-2021 08:24 AM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(10-04-2021 08:18 AM)Curtisc83 Wrote:  Is that why the Penn State Peds get a pass too?

Penn State got far from a pass

That’s an interesting comment to me. The only punishment I’m aware that Penn State had to face was (1.) writing out some very, very large checks, and (2.) enduring the media snark/hostility. Was there anything beyond that? I know for a while the NCAA said that it did not “recognize” some of Penn State’s victories, but even that purely symbolic gesture was taken back after a while, iirc.

(10-04-2021 08:31 AM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(10-04-2021 07:38 AM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  

(10-03-2021 09:31 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(10-03-2021 09:29 PM)sstaedtler88 Wrote:  

(10-03-2021 07:40 PM)panama Wrote:  This is not hard and has been mentioned 50 times. Your real question is why will no group of conference presidents invite them.

They have 100k online students. They use tuition like an ATM. All things being equal, Presidents decide and cultural, institutional and geographic fit trumps everything until you get desperate. Liberty's operational model differs enough that Presidents who are used to research, liberal arts or even access missions will not like theirs. The SEC just added two schools that look like the rest of their schools. The Sun Belt is likely going to do the same. Liberty does not look, sound or act like anyone else in FBS. And that's why they will stay independent.

They are not getting invited because the AAC is not desperate and their are other options out there that look and sound like the voting schools. It may not be the answer you WANT but that IS the answer.

Now if someone can explain why ECU fans in particular and some other fans are playing Teddy Pendergast waiting for Liberty to show up?

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UCF only has 12,000 students on campus, which is less than Liberty. No one says anything about that.

Man give up. These posts are dumb and sound desperate. Plus no one here is going to make any decisions on who gets in.

You know what is great about this country? The fact that some people can talk as if their opinion is the only one that matters without with complete immunity, Abd at the same time insist that others can't enjoy the same freedoms or immunities.

Where am I keeping anyone from posting their opinions? I’m just letting him know how it sounds to others. He is free to continue to post and has.
But just because you have opinions doesn’t mean that they are right.
Facts are that nothing we post here for or against Liberty will make a difference on the decision by the AAC.
And yes Liberty is free to have the rules they have and run their university as they see fit and the AAC as a conference has the right to not let them in if they choose.

So Carry On. It is a Free Country After All

100% correct.... my GF can attest that I am full of crap like 90% of the time.

(10-04-2021 08:28 AM)Curtisc83 Wrote:  

(10-04-2021 08:22 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(10-04-2021 08:18 AM)Curtisc83 Wrote:  

(10-04-2021 08:06 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(10-04-2021 07:35 AM)covingtontiger Wrote:  Interesting reading the diatribes against Liberty.

Suppose I told you there was a school that was a religious institution, whose religion discriminated against women by not allowing them in the priesthood, and who opposed abortion? Would that disqualify them?

Are you going to reject Notre Dame?

this isnt a black and white case.. people try to remove the complexities and pretend like its yes or no based on individual characteristics

1) its obvious liberty's religious ties are drastically stronger (not even in the same hemisphere) as ND.. using minor similarities to draw equivalence makes no sense..
this is the same as those who try to draw similarities to SMU because of the name southern "Methodist" university

2) everything is weighed on a scale.. it is not a yes or no solely based on 1 part but an overall picture with all of its components
byu who does have similar branding in regards to social issues the aac would have taken in a heartbeat ..

byu is ranked extremely highly in academics, byu draws 60k every home game, byu has a strong track record of success in athletic dating back decades (not a flash in the pan), byu has an established brand and fanbase

if liberty had those things theyd already be in the aac without hesitation ..
on top of the very bad track record with social issues, liberty is extremely poorly ranked academically, only does 17k attendance, almost no notable brand recognition, recently coming off a major scandal

Is that all it takes? Have a long history with a church that doesn't let women into the priesthood and is pretty cool with priests touching little boys pee pee's but have a even longer history of winning and its totally cool. Is that why the Penn State Peds get a pass too?

I need to write this down.....have a long sports history and can do whatever you want forever.....got it.

youve gone from being reasonable to being hysterical

So I'm being unreasonable? You are right I need to correct my notes.

Correction on notes.....have a long sports history and said university can do whatever they want (i.e. rape, being a pedophile and barring women from jobs) forever and ever till the end of time.....got it.

you do realize you gone from comparing the merits of why liberty should be in the aac, to just attacking an overall religion

notice how most posters have referred to liberty as having bad track record "with social issues" not attacking the religion or even talking about what the issue is (right or wrong).. not even going as far as you, who is using extreme takes to vilify an entire religion

there is nothing i could post that you wont reach for some extreme take to try and make liberty look passable ..what you are trying to do to ND...tons of posters here could be doing to Liberty but chose not to

(10-03-2021 11:01 PM)CLTPirate Wrote:  I feel like adding Liberty would totally destroy whatever reputation this conference has fought hard to build. It’d be seen as a desperation move by the AAC.

Plus I do not need more of this in my life

(10-03-2021 09:43 PM)Cinciflame Wrote:  Are we different than most universities? Yes. We’re Christian and not just in name. We believe marriage should be between a man and a woman. We believe there are 2 genders, male and female.

What you need is more of that in your life. Even though you've been brainwashed by academia and the MSM - the vast majority of people in the world think this way.

Life is so much less confusing when you don't have to 'decide' what gender you are and / or what gender you 'identify' as.

Leftist, Marxist, socialist social agendas designed to destroy the basic family unit are destructive. Look around. Look how many kids and young adults are totally fukked up by all this crap.

(10-04-2021 08:35 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(10-04-2021 08:24 AM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(10-04-2021 08:18 AM)Curtisc83 Wrote:  Is that why the Penn State Peds get a pass too?

Penn State got far from a pass

That’s an interesting comment to me. The only punishment I’m aware that Penn State had to face was (1.) writing out some very, very large checks, and (2.) enduring the media snark/hostility. Was there anything beyond that? I know for a while the NCAA said that it did not “recognize” some of Penn State’s victories, but even that purely symbolic gesture was taken back after a while, iirc.

The horror......Penn State really got a harsh punishment. Maybe a good AAC add....pretty scandal proof. Look at what they did like a year after. A long history gives you a pass on racism too!

https://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/rac...58221.html

(10-04-2021 08:41 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(10-03-2021 11:01 PM)CLTPirate Wrote:  I feel like adding Liberty would totally destroy whatever reputation this conference has fought hard to build. It’d be seen as a desperation move by the AAC.

Plus I do not need more of this in my life

(10-03-2021 09:43 PM)Cinciflame Wrote:  Are we different than most universities? Yes. We’re Christian and not just in name. We believe marriage should be between a man and a woman. We believe there are 2 genders, male and female.

What you need is more of that in your life. Even though you've been brainwashed by academia and the MSM - the vast majority of people in the world think this way.

Life is so much less confusing when you don't have to 'decide' what gender you are and / or what gender you 'identify' as.

Leftist, Marxist, socialist social agendas designed to destroy the basic family unit are destructive. Look around. Look how many kids and young adults are totally fukked up by all this crap.

Cool story bro.

(10-04-2021 08:36 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(10-04-2021 08:28 AM)Curtisc83 Wrote:  

(10-04-2021 08:22 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(10-04-2021 08:18 AM)Curtisc83 Wrote:  

(10-04-2021 08:06 AM)pesik Wrote:  this isnt a black and white case.. people try to remove the complexities and pretend like its yes or no based on individual characteristics

1) its obvious liberty's religious ties are drastically stronger (not even in the same hemisphere) as ND.. using minor similarities to draw equivalence makes no sense..
this is the same as those who try to draw similarities to SMU because of the name southern "Methodist" university

2) everything is weighed on a scale.. it is not a yes or no solely based on 1 part but an overall picture with all of its components
byu who does have similar branding in regards to social issues the aac would have taken in a heartbeat ..

byu is ranked extremely highly in academics, byu draws 60k every home game, byu has a strong track record of success in athletic dating back decades (not a flash in the pan), byu has an established brand and fanbase

if liberty had those things theyd already be in the aac without hesitation ..
on top of the very bad track record with social issues, liberty is extremely poorly ranked academically, only does 17k attendance, almost no notable brand recognition, recently coming off a major scandal

Is that all it takes? Have a long history with a church that doesn't let women into the priesthood and is pretty cool with priests touching little boys pee pee's but have a even longer history of winning and its totally cool. Is that why the Penn State Peds get a pass too?

I need to write this down.....have a long sports history and can do whatever you want forever.....got it.

youve gone from being reasonable to being hysterical

So I'm being unreasonable? You are right I need to correct my notes.

Correction on notes.....have a long sports history and said university can do whatever they want (i.e. rape, being a pedophile and barring women from jobs) forever and ever till the end of time.....got it.

you do realize you gone from comparing the merits of why liberty should be in the aac, to just attacking an overall religion

notice how most posters have referred to liberty as having bad track record "with social issues" not attacking the religion or even talking about what the issue is (right or wrong).. not even going as far as you, who is using extreme takes to vilify an entire religion

there is nothing i could post that you wont reach for some extreme take to try and make liberty look passable ..what you are trying to do to ND...tons of posters here could be doing to Liberty but chose not to

You must be new because what I am doing is exactly what people post about LU, its just different stuff. But you are right HOW DARE I say things that are true....the nerve.

(10-04-2021 08:35 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(10-04-2021 08:24 AM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(10-04-2021 08:18 AM)Curtisc83 Wrote:  Is that why the Penn State Peds get a pass too?

Penn State got far from a pass

That’s an interesting comment to me. The only punishment I’m aware that Penn State had to face was (1.) writing out some very, very large checks, and (2.) enduring the media snark/hostility. Was there anything beyond that? I know for a while the NCAA said that it did not “recognize” some of Penn State’s victories, but even that purely symbolic gesture was taken back after a while, iirc.

$73 million in fines, $93 million in lawsuits, loss of scholarships, and postseason bans for 4 years. Most of the punishment went through the legal system all the way down to insurance and financial system.

(10-04-2021 08:46 AM)Curtisc83 Wrote:  You must be new because what I am doing is exactly what people post about LU, its just different stuff. But you are right HOW DARE I say things that are true....the nerve.

you must be new.. every time people start taking the extremely horrible track record of liberty on a social level here.. and the religion tied to it which are all based on FACT!!
it gets deleted... im a regular poster here, liberty has been brought up nonstop.. stating liberty has no chance is common... rarely does it ever delve into why on a social level talking about the atrocities of the religion

trashing Christianity has never been a point of topic here like you are doing catholicism

(10-04-2021 08:36 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(10-04-2021 08:28 AM)Curtisc83 Wrote:  

(10-04-2021 08:22 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(10-04-2021 08:18 AM)Curtisc83 Wrote:  

(10-04-2021 08:06 AM)pesik Wrote:  this isnt a black and white case.. people try to remove the complexities and pretend like its yes or no based on individual characteristics

1) its obvious liberty's religious ties are drastically stronger (not even in the same hemisphere) as ND.. using minor similarities to draw equivalence makes no sense..
this is the same as those who try to draw similarities to SMU because of the name southern "Methodist" university

2) everything is weighed on a scale.. it is not a yes or no solely based on 1 part but an overall picture with all of its components
byu who does have similar branding in regards to social issues the aac would have taken in a heartbeat ..

byu is ranked extremely highly in academics, byu draws 60k every home game, byu has a strong track record of success in athletic dating back decades (not a flash in the pan), byu has an established brand and fanbase

if liberty had those things theyd already be in the aac without hesitation ..
on top of the very bad track record with social issues, liberty is extremely poorly ranked academically, only does 17k attendance, almost no notable brand recognition, recently coming off a major scandal

Is that all it takes? Have a long history with a church that doesn't let women into the priesthood and is pretty cool with priests touching little boys pee pee's but have a even longer history of winning and its totally cool. Is that why the Penn State Peds get a pass too?

I need to write this down.....have a long sports history and can do whatever you want forever.....got it.

youve gone from being reasonable to being hysterical

So I'm being unreasonable? You are right I need to correct my notes.

Correction on notes.....have a long sports history and said university can do whatever they want (i.e. rape, being a pedophile and barring women from jobs) forever and ever till the end of time.....got it.

you do realize you gone from comparing the merits of why liberty should be in the aac, to just attacking an overall religion

notice how most posters have referred to liberty as having bad track record "with social issues" not attacking the religion or even talking about what the issue is (right or wrong).. not even going as far as you, who is using extreme takes to vilify an entire religion

there is nothing i could post that you wont reach for some extreme take to try and make liberty look passable ..what you are trying to do to ND...tons of posters here could be doing to Liberty but chose not to

When did I say that LU should be in the AAC? It would be cool if we were but I like being Indy. What I'm doing is attempting to poke holes in folks saying we don't have this or that or too much of something else while other schools do something similar and get a pass because of a history of winning.