(09-27-2021 08:31 AM)olddawg Wrote:  

(09-26-2021 10:34 PM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  

(09-26-2021 10:17 AM)hburg Wrote:  I personally see the donors increasing with a FBS move.

I think all the data from other programs moving up to FBS confirms your thought.
Of course, current die hard fans will be willing to donate more to see better competition weekly and more frequent games against P5 teams.
The bigger boost for fundraising is from alumni or even non affiliated Walmart fans who do not support the program at all now because it is “D II” , then begin donating as JMU starts playing UVA, Va Tech, Maryland etc. that resonate even with non sports fans.

And to Dukie’s point, JMU hasn’t had a big fish dump money into the coffers. That likelihood increases when JMU is playing at the highest level and in the media spotlight more often. Beat UVA on ESPN? JMU’s Boone Pickens makes himself known and contributes to the cause.

I keep wondering who our "whale" is (or could be)? Who is our uber wealthy alum/supporter with enough $$$ to move the needle? There are schools even younger than us receiving huge donations to their athletic programs from benefactors. There are schools with newer football programs that have that "one guy"who can make a difference in funding. Surely one of our alumnae school teachers or librarians must have married a tycoon, inherited all of his money and is desperately looking for someplace to spend it!

Not sure about a whale but I think it’s fair to say the corporate partnerships may open up to bigger companies and businesses outside of the Valley.

https://www.linkedin.com/in/john-hinshaw-96433b121/

Here is a good start

(09-27-2021 08:31 AM)olddawg Wrote:  

(09-26-2021 10:34 PM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  

(09-26-2021 10:17 AM)hburg Wrote:  I personally see the donors increasing with a FBS move.

I think all the data from other programs moving up to FBS confirms your thought.
Of course, current die hard fans will be willing to donate more to see better competition weekly and more frequent games against P5 teams.
The bigger boost for fundraising is from alumni or even non affiliated Walmart fans who do not support the program at all now because it is “D II” , then begin donating as JMU starts playing UVA, Va Tech, Maryland etc. that resonate even with non sports fans.

And to Dukie’s point, JMU hasn’t had a big fish dump money into the coffers. That likelihood increases when JMU is playing at the highest level and in the media spotlight more often. Beat UVA on ESPN? JMU’s Boone Pickens makes himself known and contributes to the cause.

I keep wondering who our "whale" is (or could be)? Who is our uber wealthy alum/supporter with enough $$$ to move the needle? There are schools even younger than us receiving huge donations to their athletic programs from benefactors. There are schools with newer football programs that have that "one guy"who can make a difference in funding. Surely one of our alumnae school teachers or librarians must have married a tycoon, inherited all of his money and is desperately looking for someplace to spend it!

CCU just signed a 3 game series with UVa.

(09-27-2021 11:29 AM)JMU2004 Wrote:  CCU just signed a 3 game series with UVa.

Can’t wait to hear how the “UVA will never come to Harrisonburg even if we are FBS” crowd spin this one. With ODU, it was “ UVA just wants to recruit the 757.” With Liberty, it was “ Liberty is paying a ton of money.” So what is the reason for Coastal, UVA boosters just want a weekend of golf and gentlemen’s clubs in Myrtle Beach?

(09-27-2021 09:58 AM)jjthebutcher Wrote:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/john-hinshaw-96433b121/

Here is a good start

Unless I'm missing something, I don't see our future whale being someone who didn't give a cent to Duke Club from 2011 to 2013 (unknown since as I couldn't find a more recent listing). Granted there is an obvious disconnect between the Duke Club donation included in these reports and ones actual total donation amount (i.e. the donations specific to capital campaigns and scholarships and stuff isn't included).
https://issuu.com/jmusports.com/docs/10-...tics_ar/27
https://issuu.com/jmusports.com/docs/201...nualreport

Leaning on whoever anonymous would be good though

If the powerball goes my way tonight, I promise to become the whale!

(09-27-2021 11:29 AM)JMU2004 Wrote:  CCU just signed a 3 game series with UVa.

(09-26-2021 04:10 PM)olddawg Wrote:  

(09-26-2021 03:32 PM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  

(09-26-2021 12:36 PM)boozeNammo Wrote:  The CAA certainly has diminished over the years. Yesterday was pretty reflective of that. I do hope we jump, but I'm not going to lose any sleep over it. There really isn't a great spot for us at the moment especially when considering the full allotment of sports that JMU offers.

You do realize we have the bare minimum the NCAA requires to participate in DI athletics. 20+ years ago we offered somewhere around 27 NCAA sports to our students, but when Title IX came about we structured the ones we were going to sponsor around those guidelines making a commitment to fully sponsor the ones we kept. We've lived up to that commitment.

Well- yes & no
Division I membership requires a minimum of 6 mens sports and a minimum of 8 womens sports ( 7 mens and 7 womens are allowed as a minimum as well), so we are at the bare minimum there for mens sports with 6. We do sponsor 12 womens sports, so we are doing fine there.

To be an FBS member though, the requirement gets bumped up to a minimum total of 16 sponsored sports. So we are above the curve, I have no idea if we would need to add a sport to be in Title IX compliance when we add in 22 more football scholarships. The Carr report said it was not necessary, but that report is now 8 years old and our ratios may have changed.

If I understand Title IX, you would have to eliminate 22 mens scholarships of add 22 female scholarships.

^ this has been debated and settled by CArr report.......well, as of 10 years ago - if JMU adds 22 football ships, then we still compliant with Title IX

(09-26-2021 12:36 PM)boozeNammo Wrote:  The CAA certainly has diminished over the years. Yesterday was pretty reflective of that. I do hope we jump, but I'm not going to lose any sleep over it. There really isn't a great spot for us at the moment especially when considering the full allotment of sports that JMU offers.

I think that "there isn't a great spot for us", unfortunately, includes the CAA. Being in the CAA hurts the softball team, women's hoops, and probably a bunch of other sports that I don't even know about. Didn't JMU win the CAA in something like 60% of the sports they compete in? That means we just don't fit anymore. If it's because JMU changed or the league did, that doesn't really matter.

(09-27-2021 11:49 AM)White Hall Wrote:  So what is the reason for Coastal, UVA boosters just want a weekend of golf and gentlemen’s clubs in Myrtle Beach?

I mean, you can't rule that out. :-)

(09-27-2021 12:57 PM)94computerguy Wrote:  

(09-26-2021 12:36 PM)boozeNammo Wrote:  The CAA certainly has diminished over the years. Yesterday was pretty reflective of that. I do hope we jump, but I'm not going to lose any sleep over it. There really isn't a great spot for us at the moment especially when considering the full allotment of sports that JMU offers.

I think that "there isn't a great spot for us", unfortunately, includes the CAA. Being in the CAA hurts the softball team, women's hoops, and probably a bunch of other sports that I don't even know about. Didn't JMU win the CAA in something like 60% of the sports they compete in? That means we just don't fit anymore. If it's because JMU changed or the league did, that doesn't really matter.

I don't know that we talk about it much on here, but I imagine there are several programs in the CAA that would be happy if we left. They have to feel like we have a quasi-permanent competitive advantage both in terms of funding and facilities that they can't/won't ever compete with. I know we move the needle a little in terms of media deals for the conference (although the CAA media deal is garbage and has been discussed at length on here). Otherwise, I would imagine outside of WM and Delaware, others would be happy to get rid of us.

(09-27-2021 12:18 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  

(09-26-2021 04:10 PM)olddawg Wrote:  Well- yes & no
Division I membership requires a minimum of 6 mens sports and a minimum of 8 womens sports ( 7 mens and 7 womens are allowed as a minimum as well), so we are at the bare minimum there for mens sports with 6. We do sponsor 12 womens sports, so we are doing fine there.

To be an FBS member though, the requirement gets bumped up to a minimum total of 16 sponsored sports. So we are above the curve, I have no idea if we would need to add a sport to be in Title IX compliance when we add in 22 more football scholarships. The Carr report said it was not necessary, but that report is now 8 years old and our ratios may have changed.

If I understand Title IX, you would have to eliminate 22 mens scholarships of add 22 female scholarships.

I don't think it is as simple as, if you add 22 men football scholarship you either have to remove 22 men non-football or add 22 women scholarships. My understanding is it is based on percentages, so while it may be close to a direct offset depending on total student athlete participation, it is not a one male for one female trade. It also isn't just a pure number of scholarships, or even a percentage of pure scholarships, its based on the scholarship value. JMU was favorable to females as of the Carr report so there was already a buffer built in that would allow JMU to add male scholarships and remain compliant. Also, given its based on value, JMU could effectively offer >2x as many in state students as out of state students and it would have the same impact on the financial assistance part of the calc.

Bottom line - While the Carr report wasn't super clear on why, it said we would be fine and since (1) it doesn't appear there have been any changes to Title IX requirements since then based the current requirements here and the requirements detailed in the report, and (2) JMU athletics hasn't materially changed, I'd be willing to bet we are still fine.

(09-27-2021 12:57 PM)94computerguy Wrote:  

(09-26-2021 12:36 PM)boozeNammo Wrote:  The CAA certainly has diminished over the years. Yesterday was pretty reflective of that. I do hope we jump, but I'm not going to lose any sleep over it. There really isn't a great spot for us at the moment especially when considering the full allotment of sports that JMU offers.

I think that "there isn't a great spot for us", unfortunately, includes the CAA. Being in the CAA hurts the softball team, women's hoops, and probably a bunch of other sports that I don't even know about. Didn't JMU win the CAA in something like 60% of the sports they compete in? That means we just don't fit anymore. If it's because JMU changed or the league did, that doesn't really matter.

Totally agree.

(09-27-2021 12:57 PM)94computerguy Wrote:  

(09-26-2021 12:36 PM)boozeNammo Wrote:  The CAA certainly has diminished over the years. Yesterday was pretty reflective of that. I do hope we jump, but I'm not going to lose any sleep over it. There really isn't a great spot for us at the moment especially when considering the full allotment of sports that JMU offers.

I think that "there isn't a great spot for us", unfortunately, includes the CAA. Being in the CAA hurts the softball team, women's hoops, and probably a bunch of other sports that I don't even know about. Didn't JMU win the CAA in something like 60% of the sports they compete in? That means we just don't fit anymore. If it's because JMU changed or the league did, that doesn't really matter.

The issue in the CAA isn't us winning so much as it is that the conference is an island of misfit toys. If the conference still had VCU, ODU, Mason and Richmond there'd be reason to stay, but that hasn't been the case for 7 years now.

Hofstra, Drexel and Northeastern make no sense as conference mates for JMU. Towson athletics is a complete joke (outside of Lacrosse), W&M should be in the Patriot League at this point and Delaware's fan base is older than former Freshman team walk-on Joe Biden. Elon doesn't move the needle for anybody. College of Charleston and UNCW are okay to align with but neither sponsor football, which is our bread and butter.

I think too much is made about travel requirements of being in the Sun Belt/CUSA. The CAA makes no sense anymore and when JMU leaves the remaining schools are going to be acquired by other conferences. Hofstra, Drexel, NE, Towson and Delaware will go to the America East, W&M will go to the Patriot and UNCW, Elon and CoC will go to the Southern....all make much more sense than keeping this zombie conference alive.

(09-27-2021 02:28 PM)All Dukes_All Day Wrote:  

(09-27-2021 12:57 PM)94computerguy Wrote:  

(09-26-2021 12:36 PM)boozeNammo Wrote:  The CAA certainly has diminished over the years. Yesterday was pretty reflective of that. I do hope we jump, but I'm not going to lose any sleep over it. There really isn't a great spot for us at the moment especially when considering the full allotment of sports that JMU offers.

I think that "there isn't a great spot for us", unfortunately, includes the CAA. Being in the CAA hurts the softball team, women's hoops, and probably a bunch of other sports that I don't even know about. Didn't JMU win the CAA in something like 60% of the sports they compete in? That means we just don't fit anymore. If it's because JMU changed or the league did, that doesn't really matter.

The issue in the CAA isn't us winning so much as it is that the conference is an island of misfit toys. If the conference still had VCU, ODU, Mason and Richmond there'd be reason to stay, but that hasn't been the case for 7 years now.

Hofstra, Drexel and Northeastern make no sense as conference mates for JMU. Towson athletics is a complete joke (outside of Lacrosse), W&M should be in the Patriot League at this point and Delaware's fan base is older than former Freshman team walk-on Joe Biden. Elon doesn't move the needle for anybody. College of Charleston and UNCW are okay to align with but neither sponsor football, which is our bread and butter.

I think too much is made about travel requirements of being in the Sun Belt/CUSA. The CAA makes no sense anymore and when JMU leaves the remaining schools are going to be acquired by other conferences. Hofstra, Drexel, NE, Towson and Delaware will go to the America East, W&M will go to the Patriot and UNCW, Elon and CoC will go to the Southern....all make much more sense than keeping this zombie conference alive.

The CAA definitely isn't what it use to be and just isn't exciting anymore. It is hard to get motivated for certain games. Hopefully the administration makes the right choice and move up to FBS. Would definitely bring back excitement again.

(09-27-2021 11:56 AM)Anders Wrote:  

(09-27-2021 11:29 AM)JMU2004 Wrote:  CCU just signed a 3 game series with UVa.

Didn't we have a 3 game series with Norfolk state? Or was that a 1 fer 1?

(09-27-2021 03:20 PM)hburg Wrote:  

(09-27-2021 02:28 PM)All Dukes_All Day Wrote:  

(09-27-2021 12:57 PM)94computerguy Wrote:  

(09-26-2021 12:36 PM)boozeNammo Wrote:  The CAA certainly has diminished over the years. Yesterday was pretty reflective of that. I do hope we jump, but I'm not going to lose any sleep over it. There really isn't a great spot for us at the moment especially when considering the full allotment of sports that JMU offers.

I think that "there isn't a great spot for us", unfortunately, includes the CAA. Being in the CAA hurts the softball team, women's hoops, and probably a bunch of other sports that I don't even know about. Didn't JMU win the CAA in something like 60% of the sports they compete in? That means we just don't fit anymore. If it's because JMU changed or the league did, that doesn't really matter.

The issue in the CAA isn't us winning so much as it is that the conference is an island of misfit toys. If the conference still had VCU, ODU, Mason and Richmond there'd be reason to stay, but that hasn't been the case for 7 years now.

Hofstra, Drexel and Northeastern make no sense as conference mates for JMU. Towson athletics is a complete joke (outside of Lacrosse), W&M should be in the Patriot League at this point and Delaware's fan base is older than former Freshman team walk-on Joe Biden. Elon doesn't move the needle for anybody. College of Charleston and UNCW are okay to align with but neither sponsor football, which is our bread and butter.

I think too much is made about travel requirements of being in the Sun Belt/CUSA. The CAA makes no sense anymore and when JMU leaves the remaining schools are going to be acquired by other conferences. Hofstra, Drexel, NE, Towson and Delaware will go to the America East, W&M will go to the Patriot and UNCW, Elon and CoC will go to the Southern....all make much more sense than keeping this zombie conference alive.

The CAA definitely isn't what it use to be and just isn't exciting anymore. It is hard to get motivated for certain games. Hopefully the administration makes the right choice and move up to FBS. Would definitely bring back excitement again.

I'm not holding my breath. The CAA hasn't been the same a lot longer than 7 years. Those that left saw the writing on the wall and bailed. Here we are still scheduling cupcakes. "no one will play us because we're so great" is just an excuse for lack of desire. So how hard to we honestly think our AD is working to schedule quality programs? ANY FBS program in the bottom 25% would be a better get than Morehead. I get football is driving the JMU bus but IF JMU didn't have football, would we still be sitting in the CAA or would we have left with the rest of them 7 years ago.

(09-27-2021 05:59 PM)RamDawg Wrote:  

(09-27-2021 03:20 PM)hburg Wrote:  

(09-27-2021 02:28 PM)All Dukes_All Day Wrote:  

(09-27-2021 12:57 PM)94computerguy Wrote:  

(09-26-2021 12:36 PM)boozeNammo Wrote:  The CAA certainly has diminished over the years. Yesterday was pretty reflective of that. I do hope we jump, but I'm not going to lose any sleep over it. There really isn't a great spot for us at the moment especially when considering the full allotment of sports that JMU offers.

I think that "there isn't a great spot for us", unfortunately, includes the CAA. Being in the CAA hurts the softball team, women's hoops, and probably a bunch of other sports that I don't even know about. Didn't JMU win the CAA in something like 60% of the sports they compete in? That means we just don't fit anymore. If it's because JMU changed or the league did, that doesn't really matter.

The issue in the CAA isn't us winning so much as it is that the conference is an island of misfit toys. If the conference still had VCU, ODU, Mason and Richmond there'd be reason to stay, but that hasn't been the case for 7 years now.

Hofstra, Drexel and Northeastern make no sense as conference mates for JMU. Towson athletics is a complete joke (outside of Lacrosse), W&M should be in the Patriot League at this point and Delaware's fan base is older than former Freshman team walk-on Joe Biden. Elon doesn't move the needle for anybody. College of Charleston and UNCW are okay to align with but neither sponsor football, which is our bread and butter.

I think too much is made about travel requirements of being in the Sun Belt/CUSA. The CAA makes no sense anymore and when JMU leaves the remaining schools are going to be acquired by other conferences. Hofstra, Drexel, NE, Towson and Delaware will go to the America East, W&M will go to the Patriot and UNCW, Elon and CoC will go to the Southern....all make much more sense than keeping this zombie conference alive.

The CAA definitely isn't what it use to be and just isn't exciting anymore. It is hard to get motivated for certain games. Hopefully the administration makes the right choice and move up to FBS. Would definitely bring back excitement again.

I'm not holding my breath. The CAA hasn't been the same a lot longer than 7 years. Those that left saw the writing on the wall and bailed. Here we are still scheduling cupcakes. "no one will play us because we're so great" is just an excuse for lack of desire. So how hard to we honestly think our AD is working to schedule quality programs? ANY FBS program in the bottom 25% would be a better get than Morehead. I get football is driving the JMU bus but IF JMU didn't have football, would we still be sitting in the CAA or would we have left with the rest of them 7 years ago.

Our bus for the A-10 left 25 years ago.

(09-27-2021 03:50 PM)Dukester Wrote:  

(09-27-2021 11:56 AM)Anders Wrote:  

(09-27-2021 11:29 AM)JMU2004 Wrote:  CCU just signed a 3 game series with UVa.

Didn't we have a 3 game series with Norfolk state? Or was that a 1 fer 1?

2022
2024- at CC
2025

Very awesome for them! They'll take 1 or 2 of the 3

(09-27-2021 05:59 PM)RamDawg Wrote:  

(09-27-2021 03:20 PM)hburg Wrote:  

(09-27-2021 02:28 PM)All Dukes_All Day Wrote:  

(09-27-2021 12:57 PM)94computerguy Wrote:  

(09-26-2021 12:36 PM)boozeNammo Wrote:  The CAA certainly has diminished over the years. Yesterday was pretty reflective of that. I do hope we jump, but I'm not going to lose any sleep over it. There really isn't a great spot for us at the moment especially when considering the full allotment of sports that JMU offers.

I think that "there isn't a great spot for us", unfortunately, includes the CAA. Being in the CAA hurts the softball team, women's hoops, and probably a bunch of other sports that I don't even know about. Didn't JMU win the CAA in something like 60% of the sports they compete in? That means we just don't fit anymore. If it's because JMU changed or the league did, that doesn't really matter.

The issue in the CAA isn't us winning so much as it is that the conference is an island of misfit toys. If the conference still had VCU, ODU, Mason and Richmond there'd be reason to stay, but that hasn't been the case for 7 years now.

Hofstra, Drexel and Northeastern make no sense as conference mates for JMU. Towson athletics is a complete joke (outside of Lacrosse), W&M should be in the Patriot League at this point and Delaware's fan base is older than former Freshman team walk-on Joe Biden. Elon doesn't move the needle for anybody. College of Charleston and UNCW are okay to align with but neither sponsor football, which is our bread and butter.

I think too much is made about travel requirements of being in the Sun Belt/CUSA. The CAA makes no sense anymore and when JMU leaves the remaining schools are going to be acquired by other conferences. Hofstra, Drexel, NE, Towson and Delaware will go to the America East, W&M will go to the Patriot and UNCW, Elon and CoC will go to the Southern....all make much more sense than keeping this zombie conference alive.

The CAA definitely isn't what it use to be and just isn't exciting anymore. It is hard to get motivated for certain games. Hopefully the administration makes the right choice and move up to FBS. Would definitely bring back excitement again.

I'm not holding my breath. The CAA hasn't been the same a lot longer than 7 years. Those that left saw the writing on the wall and bailed. Here we are still scheduling cupcakes. "no one will play us because we're so great" is just an excuse for lack of desire. So how hard to we honestly think our AD is working to schedule quality programs? ANY FBS program in the bottom 25% would be a better get than Morehead. I get football is driving the JMU bus but IF JMU didn't have football, would we still be sitting in the CAA or would we have left with the rest of them 7 years ago.

I've gotta think the difficulty in scheduling FBS games is a real thing. I'd be surprised if JMU truly didn't want an FBS game this year and was ok with Weber instead, but I'd be even more surprised if NDSU was really ok with no FBS game. Neither team has one this year, and I'd be surprised if it isn't because the options are pretty limited in who's willing to play one of us instead of literally any other FCS team that's less likely to win than those two. UNC seems willing to play us pretty frequently but it's not like that's gonna be more often than it already is, right now we have another no FBS year in 2023 and so does NDSU in 2023, 2025, and 2026 according to the schedules on their site.

For G5's and even weaker P5's if you can play JMU and likely get a close game(or maybe not even close in the wrong direction for a decent chunk of G5's) or play someone like New Hampshire and take your one FCS win that counts towards bowl eligibility to the tune of 77-7 it's tough to call JMU the better option. If they wanted a competitive game they wouldn't be scheduling an FCS at all, they want an easy tune up game. You can say we have more options in our area than NDSU, but how many mid-Atlantic schools really can schedule JMU football a few years out and know they'll be able to go in to that game feeling almost completely sure they'll win? Maybe 4 or 5? Compare that to how confident they could be if they schedule literally any other CAA, Big South, SoCon, MEAC, Patriot, or Ivy team.

I also really, really think that if we didn't have football then we'd have been far less likely to move 7 years ago, not more likely.