(09-07-2021 05:52 PM)Crebman Wrote:  

(09-06-2021 06:24 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  

(09-06-2021 06:19 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(09-06-2021 05:36 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(09-06-2021 09:57 AM)450bench Wrote:  Not saying that at all. Just reporting some numbers here.

Clearly the vaccine works if you live in Memphis. Maybe everyone in Israel should move there so their vax will work better.

I don’t care what you say really. I’m simply referring to some interesting local numbers, that are real. Ignore them, take a dump on them, I really don’t care.

I have a question about the numbers. Who puts the data into the system and who gives them the data to enter into the system?

You know what is probably the worst thing about all this……those in charge, both at the federal level and state level in quite a few places have politicized it in a power grab and been caught themselves not following “their protocols” to the point that anyone paying attention at all no longer believes them.

It’s the old dreaded “ I’m from the government and I’m here to help” that now has a pretty significant part of the population that doesn’t believe anything they say……..

The little boy has cried wolf too often an is not longer believed, even if they occasionally tell the truth…….

Really. The CDC's credibility has been destroyed as well as government in general.

(09-07-2021 08:22 PM)ShrackUAB Wrote:  Imagine if there were no vaccinations. How much worse do you think this would be? You can simply look at the unvaccinated rate for your answer. (The answer is: much, much worse)

Also, it's far more likely to be raging near pre vaccine levels because we no longer have lockdowns or anything of that sort. We now have football games with 50-100k people in the stadium and are back to having huge conventions again. People have pandemic fatigue and are tired of it and honestly that is understandable. There is a lot more transmission and mingling going on these days. Another thing to consider is that it's a different strand so people may be comparing apples to oranges here.

The link however itself is just basic math. Math shows the Pfizer vaccine is very effective in Israel, even against Delta. Is it 100% effective or as effective as we all hoped so people can just get back to their lives? Obviously not. Everyone knows that and no one believes the vaccine is 100% effective.

You're sitting here trying to argue that the vaccine isn't very effective, such as your Israel comments about the Delta/Pfizer data coming out of Israel, while you also simultaneously agreeing that the vaccine is effective any time someone refutes you. Pick one.

Basic math shows it is clearly effective and works quite well in ALL populations/age groups, even in people in their 30s. Yeah, your chance of being severely hospitalized by COVID in your 30s or younger isn't incredibly high, but it is still much higher than if you were vaxxed. It is much better than being in the general unvaccinated populace. An 85% - 92% efficacy rate shows the effectiveness. Giving the vaccine to children is still obviously debatable. We don't know long term complications from the vaccine in children and we also don't know long term damage and complications from COVID in children. What's the best route to go? I don't know the answer.

The vaccine however has reduced severe complications with COVID tremendously and that really isn't debatable. That's a fact looking at the numbers. If you want anecdotes you can talk to nearly any actual working doctor and they'll tell you the same thing. You have people in this thread that actually work in hospitals telling you what they're seeing out of their workplace.

If you want to argue that the data is made up or something (not necessarily saying you are, though some people in this thread won't accept any statistics basically ever) then there is no point even having debates with you on this subject, because neither of us can agree on where to start the debate or what the terms are.

Where the hell did I argue there should be no vaccines?

Where the hell did I argue we would be better off with no vaccines?

Where the hell did I argue that the vaccine is not very effective at all?

Where the hell did I argue that the vaccine does not reduce risk for older people?

I NEVER ARGUED ANY OF THOSE THINGS

See you are not really arguing with me or what I have said, you are using me as a imaginary proxy for the anti vaxx boogie man you have read and seen elsewhere.

And here you are making a massive fool of yourself with these wordy long winded attacks on me for things I never said and positions I never took. But in your mind I actually did say those things and I actually did take those positions. But its not real, you simply fantasized those things into being in your own reality.

Its just a wild fantasy that only exists in your mind, and the fantasy makes you feel enlighten and empowered and thoroughly righteous in your position.



You are so perfectly illustrating the point I just made. You are so militant and so radicalized in your view that you do not even hear what others says or post, you only hear and read what you WISH people said or posted just so you can attack them as your fantasy boogie men for things they never said and do not even believe.

Your behavior is exhibit A in how societies become so radicalized that they destroy themselves from within because of their radicalized militant views and marxist/facist tenancies. You are so worked up in your position that you do not even see the insane way you are behaving and reacting to things not even being said. You are literally just creating them out of thin air.

I'm actually one who HAS said some of the things he's accusing you of saying.

No one ever said they were smart.

(09-07-2021 08:54 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(09-07-2021 08:22 PM)ShrackUAB Wrote:  Imagine if there were no vaccinations. How much worse do you think this would be? You can simply look at the unvaccinated rate for your answer. (The answer is: much, much worse)

Also, it's far more likely to be raging near pre vaccine levels because we no longer have lockdowns or anything of that sort. We now have football games with 50-100k people in the stadium and are back to having huge conventions again. People have pandemic fatigue and are tired of it and honestly that is understandable. There is a lot more transmission and mingling going on these days. Another thing to consider is that it's a different strand so people may be comparing apples to oranges here.

The link however itself is just basic math. Math shows the Pfizer vaccine is very effective in Israel, even against Delta. Is it 100% effective or as effective as we all hoped so people can just get back to their lives? Obviously not. Everyone knows that and no one believes the vaccine is 100% effective.

You're sitting here trying to argue that the vaccine isn't very effective, such as your Israel comments about the Delta/Pfizer data coming out of Israel, while you also simultaneously agreeing that the vaccine is effective any time someone refutes you. Pick one.

Basic math shows it is clearly effective and works quite well in ALL populations/age groups, even in people in their 30s. Yeah, your chance of being severely hospitalized by COVID in your 30s or younger isn't incredibly high, but it is still much higher than if you were vaxxed. It is much better than being in the general unvaccinated populace. An 85% - 92% efficacy rate shows the effectiveness. Giving the vaccine to children is still obviously debatable. We don't know long term complications from the vaccine in children and we also don't know long term damage and complications from COVID in children. What's the best route to go? I don't know the answer.

The vaccine however has reduced severe complications with COVID tremendously and that really isn't debatable. That's a fact looking at the numbers. If you want anecdotes you can talk to nearly any actual working doctor and they'll tell you the same thing. You have people in this thread that actually work in hospitals telling you what they're seeing out of their workplace.

If you want to argue that the data is made up or something (not necessarily saying you are, though some people in this thread won't accept any statistics basically ever) then there is no point even having debates with you on this subject, because neither of us can agree on where to start the debate or what the terms are.

Where the hell did I argue there should be no vaccines?

Where the hell did I argue we would be better off with no vaccines?

Where the hell did I argue that the vaccine is not very effective at all?

Where the hell did I argue that the vaccine does not reduce risk for older people?

I NEVER ARGUED ANY OF THOSE THINGS

See you are not really arguing with me or what I have said, you are using me as a imaginary proxy for the anti vaxx boogie man you have read and seen elsewhere.

And here you are making a massive fool of yourself with these wordy long winded attacks on me for things I never said and positions I never took. But in your mind I actually did say those things and I actually did take those positions. But its not real, you simply fantasized those things into being in your own reality.

Its just a wild fantasy that only exists in your mind, and the fantasy makes you feel enlighten and empowered and thoroughly righteous in your position.



You are so perfectly illustrating the point I just made. You are so militant and so radicalized in your view that you do not even hear what others says or post, you only hear and read what you WISH people said or posted just so you can attack them as your fantasy boogie men for things they never said and do not even believe.

Your behavior is exhibit A in how societies become so radicalized that they destroy themselves from within because of their radicalized militant views and marxist/facist tenancies. You are so worked up in your position that you do not even see the insane way you are behaving and reacting to things not even being said. You are literally just creating them out of thin air.

You're calling me "militant" and "radicalized" for posting basic math for you.

The projection

(09-07-2021 08:57 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  I'm actually one who HAS said some of the things he's accusing you of saying.

No one ever said they were smart.

I directly replied to his post about the Israel data. He's upset because he's wrong about the data. That's okay. It happens.

He was trying to use the info coming out of Israel to back...whatever his seemingly negative viewpoint is about the vaccine? I don't think anyone really knows. Maybe he just thinks the vaccine isn't as effective as we all hoped? So he thinks the vaccine is effective, but not a 100% silver bullet for COVID? I mean, yeah, okay. That's what most people think. It's still clearly worth getting and is the best weapon we have. That's clear, even after looking at the information coming from Israel's numbers.

I know.

(09-07-2021 09:42 PM)ShrackUAB Wrote:  

(09-07-2021 08:54 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(09-07-2021 08:22 PM)ShrackUAB Wrote:  Imagine if there were no vaccinations. How much worse do you think this would be? You can simply look at the unvaccinated rate for your answer. (The answer is: much, much worse)

Also, it's far more likely to be raging near pre vaccine levels because we no longer have lockdowns or anything of that sort. We now have football games with 50-100k people in the stadium and are back to having huge conventions again. People have pandemic fatigue and are tired of it and honestly that is understandable. There is a lot more transmission and mingling going on these days. Another thing to consider is that it's a different strand so people may be comparing apples to oranges here.

The link however itself is just basic math. Math shows the Pfizer vaccine is very effective in Israel, even against Delta. Is it 100% effective or as effective as we all hoped so people can just get back to their lives? Obviously not. Everyone knows that and no one believes the vaccine is 100% effective.

You're sitting here trying to argue that the vaccine isn't very effective, such as your Israel comments about the Delta/Pfizer data coming out of Israel, while you also simultaneously agreeing that the vaccine is effective any time someone refutes you. Pick one.

Basic math shows it is clearly effective and works quite well in ALL populations/age groups, even in people in their 30s. Yeah, your chance of being severely hospitalized by COVID in your 30s or younger isn't incredibly high, but it is still much higher than if you were vaxxed. It is much better than being in the general unvaccinated populace. An 85% - 92% efficacy rate shows the effectiveness. Giving the vaccine to children is still obviously debatable. We don't know long term complications from the vaccine in children and we also don't know long term damage and complications from COVID in children. What's the best route to go? I don't know the answer.

The vaccine however has reduced severe complications with COVID tremendously and that really isn't debatable. That's a fact looking at the numbers. If you want anecdotes you can talk to nearly any actual working doctor and they'll tell you the same thing. You have people in this thread that actually work in hospitals telling you what they're seeing out of their workplace.

If you want to argue that the data is made up or something (not necessarily saying you are, though some people in this thread won't accept any statistics basically ever) then there is no point even having debates with you on this subject, because neither of us can agree on where to start the debate or what the terms are.

Where the hell did I argue there should be no vaccines?

Where the hell did I argue we would be better off with no vaccines?

Where the hell did I argue that the vaccine is not very effective at all?

Where the hell did I argue that the vaccine does not reduce risk for older people?

I NEVER ARGUED ANY OF THOSE THINGS

See you are not really arguing with me or what I have said, you are using me as a imaginary proxy for the anti vaxx boogie man you have read and seen elsewhere.

And here you are making a massive fool of yourself with these wordy long winded attacks on me for things I never said and positions I never took. But in your mind I actually did say those things and I actually did take those positions. But its not real, you simply fantasized those things into being in your own reality.

Its just a wild fantasy that only exists in your mind, and the fantasy makes you feel enlighten and empowered and thoroughly righteous in your position.



You are so perfectly illustrating the point I just made. You are so militant and so radicalized in your view that you do not even hear what others says or post, you only hear and read what you WISH people said or posted just so you can attack them as your fantasy boogie men for things they never said and do not even believe.

Your behavior is exhibit A in how societies become so radicalized that they destroy themselves from within because of their radicalized militant views and marxist/facist tenancies. You are so worked up in your position that you do not even see the insane way you are behaving and reacting to things not even being said. You are literally just creating them out of thin air.

You're calling me "militant" and "radicalized" for posting basic math for you.

The projection

That is not remotely what was said in that post.

You did not even read my actual words at all, you just kept on keeping on with your fantasy version instead.

That pretty much says it all.

(09-07-2021 10:23 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(09-07-2021 09:42 PM)ShrackUAB Wrote:  

(09-07-2021 08:54 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(09-07-2021 08:22 PM)ShrackUAB Wrote:  Imagine if there were no vaccinations. How much worse do you think this would be? You can simply look at the unvaccinated rate for your answer. (The answer is: much, much worse)

Also, it's far more likely to be raging near pre vaccine levels because we no longer have lockdowns or anything of that sort. We now have football games with 50-100k people in the stadium and are back to having huge conventions again. People have pandemic fatigue and are tired of it and honestly that is understandable. There is a lot more transmission and mingling going on these days. Another thing to consider is that it's a different strand so people may be comparing apples to oranges here.

The link however itself is just basic math. Math shows the Pfizer vaccine is very effective in Israel, even against Delta. Is it 100% effective or as effective as we all hoped so people can just get back to their lives? Obviously not. Everyone knows that and no one believes the vaccine is 100% effective.

You're sitting here trying to argue that the vaccine isn't very effective, such as your Israel comments about the Delta/Pfizer data coming out of Israel, while you also simultaneously agreeing that the vaccine is effective any time someone refutes you. Pick one.

Basic math shows it is clearly effective and works quite well in ALL populations/age groups, even in people in their 30s. Yeah, your chance of being severely hospitalized by COVID in your 30s or younger isn't incredibly high, but it is still much higher than if you were vaxxed. It is much better than being in the general unvaccinated populace. An 85% - 92% efficacy rate shows the effectiveness. Giving the vaccine to children is still obviously debatable. We don't know long term complications from the vaccine in children and we also don't know long term damage and complications from COVID in children. What's the best route to go? I don't know the answer.

The vaccine however has reduced severe complications with COVID tremendously and that really isn't debatable. That's a fact looking at the numbers. If you want anecdotes you can talk to nearly any actual working doctor and they'll tell you the same thing. You have people in this thread that actually work in hospitals telling you what they're seeing out of their workplace.

If you want to argue that the data is made up or something (not necessarily saying you are, though some people in this thread won't accept any statistics basically ever) then there is no point even having debates with you on this subject, because neither of us can agree on where to start the debate or what the terms are.

Where the hell did I argue there should be no vaccines?

Where the hell did I argue we would be better off with no vaccines?

Where the hell did I argue that the vaccine is not very effective at all?

Where the hell did I argue that the vaccine does not reduce risk for older people?

I NEVER ARGUED ANY OF THOSE THINGS

See you are not really arguing with me or what I have said, you are using me as a imaginary proxy for the anti vaxx boogie man you have read and seen elsewhere.

And here you are making a massive fool of yourself with these wordy long winded attacks on me for things I never said and positions I never took. But in your mind I actually did say those things and I actually did take those positions. But its not real, you simply fantasized those things into being in your own reality.

Its just a wild fantasy that only exists in your mind, and the fantasy makes you feel enlighten and empowered and thoroughly righteous in your position.



You are so perfectly illustrating the point I just made. You are so militant and so radicalized in your view that you do not even hear what others says or post, you only hear and read what you WISH people said or posted just so you can attack them as your fantasy boogie men for things they never said and do not even believe.

Your behavior is exhibit A in how societies become so radicalized that they destroy themselves from within because of their radicalized militant views and marxist/facist tenancies. You are so worked up in your position that you do not even see the insane way you are behaving and reacting to things not even being said. You are literally just creating them out of thin air.

You're calling me "militant" and "radicalized" for posting basic math for you.

The projection

That is not remotely what was said in that post.

You did not even read my actual words at all, you just kept on keeping on with your fantasy version instead.

That pretty much says it all.

"Clearly the vaccine works if you live in Memphis. Maybe everyone in Israel should move there so their vax will work better."

Standard ericsrevenge. Signal to the right with slightly more vague talking points than the even further right uses on this board, then have a nuclear meltdown when he's called out on it.

(09-07-2021 10:26 PM)ShrackUAB Wrote:  If you want to argue that the
"Clearly the vaccine works if you live in Memphis. Maybe everyone in Israel should move there so their vax will work better."

That was clearly sarcasm. Are you people really this slow?

(09-07-2021 10:54 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  

(09-07-2021 10:26 PM)ShrackUAB Wrote:  If you want to argue that the
"Clearly the vaccine works if you live in Memphis. Maybe everyone in Israel should move there so their vax will work better."

That was clearly sarcasm. Are you people really this slow?

No, they are fully aware it was.

There is nothing else he can point to to justify his wild fantasy accusations. He made an ass of himself and he knows it, no matter how hard he has to pretend otherwise.

(09-07-2021 10:39 PM)wmubroncopilot Wrote:  Standard ericsrevenge. Signal to the right with slightly more vague talking points than the even further right uses on this board, then have a nuclear meltdown when he's called out on it.

You're an idiot and a liar.

Is that clear enough for you?

There is nothing remotely vague about my positions on any of this, I have supported the vaccines for the elderly and compromised from the start. I have questions and doubts about it for healthy young people and am totally against forcing it on anyone.

And I refuse to pretend things are going perfectly as planned and with flying colors when the highest vaccinated nations on earth are having peak pandemic hospitalizations and the "fully vaxxed" already need more brand new UN-PLANNED shots just a few months later.

Those clearly stated positions are only "vague" and "right wing signaling" to you because you're an idiot.

There is an entire universe of difference between admitting the vaccines have not lived up to their promise and saying they are totally useless. Somehow or another you are too stupid to make that incredibly basic distinction.

(09-07-2021 10:39 PM)wmubroncopilot Wrote:  Standard ericsrevenge. Signal to the right with slightly more vague talking points than the even further right uses on this board, then have a nuclear meltdown when he's called out on it.

I have news for you, it's a Shot; It sure as hell is not a vaccine.

(09-07-2021 11:36 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(09-07-2021 10:39 PM)wmubroncopilot Wrote:  Standard ericsrevenge. Signal to the right with slightly more vague talking points than the even further right uses on this board, then have a nuclear meltdown when he's called out on it.

You're an idiot and a liar.

Is that clear enough for you?

There is nothing remotely vague about my positions on any of this, I have supported the vaccines for the elderly and compromised from the start. I have questions and doubts about it for healthy young people and am totally against forcing it on anyone.

And I refuse to pretend things are going perfectly as planned and with flying colors when the highest vaccinated nations on earth are having peak pandemic hospitalizations and the "fully vaxxed" already need more brand new UN-PLANNED shots just a few months later.

Those clearly stated positions are only "vague" and "right wing signaling" to you because you're an idiot.

There is an entire universe of difference between admitting the vaccines have not lived up to their promise and saying they are totally useless. Somehow or another you are too stupid to make that incredibly basic distinction.

"I am not arguing to stop all vaccines but I refuse to pretend like they are working with flying colors, they are clearly underpreforming BY A LOT.

So much that a whole new wave of shots is being ordered up for the entire population because the first wave was so ineffective." -ericsrevenge

"We establish the fact that the vaccines are underperforming by a lot more than expected" -ericsrevenge

"YES, they are lower the risks in some people, particularity the elderly and compromised." -ericsrevenge

"Then finally the vaccines were going to save us and end the pandemic. Only now they are here and we are blowing past that red line as well. Now its more shots needed for the already fully vaxxed and the pandemic wont ever end because not everyone will bow down and take the jab." -ericsrevenge

It's clear the vaccine has been very effective for literally all age groups, even using your own data you pointed to. Constantly going, "the vaccine isn't effective!", but then changing your tune to, "but I never said the vaccine wasn't effective!" any time someone argues with you about it is simply ridiculous.

It's also clear from your repeated posts in this thread that you do not think it is very effective and it isn't doing what you were apparently promised it would do. These are the types of posts I responded to. Don't get upset if someone calls you on your BS.

However, get the vaccine or don't; I really don't care that much anymore at this point to keep arguing. It is a waste of time for the both of us.

That is the single most retarded response I have ever seen on here.

You literally quoted a post where I just said they are not living up to their promises, then quoted several other posts where I say they are not living up to their promises, then acted like there was some kind of contradiction between those posts that all say the same thing.



Are you on drugs?

Went to sleep with a 101 fever last night. Woke up around midnight soaked from the waist up. I downed some water and curled back up in the wet sheets. This morning I feel better than I have in days. No congetting, just a sore butt and lower back and my eyeballs hurt. No fever.

This took the same course as back in march of 2020, and about the same timeline.

Wife is still feeling yucky, but has not had a fever over 101 or any of the horrible aches. Her biggest gripe is the loss of taste and steady headaches.

I certainly don't want to go through this every year, but I'm in good enough physical shape I think I could manage another round or two until the vaccines are studied more or other treatments are approved.



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(09-08-2021 06:02 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  Went to sleep with a 101 fever last night. Woke up around midnight soaked from the waist up. I downed some water and curled back up in the wet sheets. This morning I feel better than I have in days. No congetting, just a sore butt and lower back and my eyeballs hurt. No fever.

This took the same course as back in march of 2020, and about the same timeline.

Wife is still feeling yucky, but has not had a fever over 101 or any of the horrible aches. Her biggest gripe is the loss of taste and steady headaches.

I certainly don't want to go through this every year, but I'm in good enough physical shape I think I could manage another round or two until the vaccines are studied more or other treatments are approved.



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I have still never really had a bad or even moderate case of it, but it has rolled through my family pretty bad in recent weeks.

I have pushed my grandparents (hard to believe I still have them at my age) to start getting the shots and they have. One is 87 the other is 90. My father is 70 and he has had a shot too.

I'm healthier right now than I have been in many years so I will continue to roll with my natural immunity like you are. I'm not getting routine shots for this the rest of my life when I already have a 99.99% survival rate.

(09-07-2021 11:36 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(09-07-2021 10:39 PM)wmubroncopilot Wrote:  Standard ericsrevenge. Signal to the right with slightly more vague talking points than the even further right uses on this board, then have a nuclear meltdown when he's called out on it.

You're an idiot and a liar.

Is that clear enough for you?

There is nothing remotely vague about my positions on any of this, I have supported the vaccines for the elderly and compromised from the start. I have questions and doubts about it for healthy young people and am totally against forcing it on anyone.

And I refuse to pretend things are going perfectly as planned and with flying colors when the highest vaccinated nations on earth are having peak pandemic hospitalizations and the "fully vaxxed" already need more brand new UN-PLANNED shots just a few months later.

Those clearly stated positions are only "vague" and "right wing signaling" to you because you're an idiot.

There is an entire universe of difference between admitting the vaccines have not lived up to their promise and saying they are totally useless. Somehow or another you are too stupid to make that incredibly basic distinction.

Are you going to tell everyone “F*ck You” again? That was amusing.

(09-08-2021 02:05 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  That is the single most retarded response I have ever seen on here.

You literally quoted a post where I just said they are not living up to their promises, then quoted several other posts where I say they are not living up to their promises, then acted like there was some kind of contradiction between those posts that all say the same thing.



Are you on drugs?

How bout you don't use the R word. Thanks.

(09-08-2021 06:25 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(09-08-2021 06:02 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  Went to sleep with a 101 fever last night. Woke up around midnight soaked from the waist up. I downed some water and curled back up in the wet sheets. This morning I feel better than I have in days. No congetting, just a sore butt and lower back and my eyeballs hurt. No fever.

This took the same course as back in march of 2020, and about the same timeline.

Wife is still feeling yucky, but has not had a fever over 101 or any of the horrible aches. Her biggest gripe is the loss of taste and steady headaches.

I certainly don't want to go through this every year, but I'm in good enough physical shape I think I could manage another round or two until the vaccines are studied more or other treatments are approved.



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I have still never really had a bad or even moderate case of it, but it has rolled through my family pretty bad in recent weeks.

I have pushed my grandparents (hard to believe I still have them at my age) to start getting the shots and they have. One is 87 the other is 90. My father is 70 and he has had a shot too.

I'm healthier right now than I have been in many years so I will continue to roll with my natural immunity like you are. I'm not getting routine shots for this the rest of my life when I already have a 99.99% survival rate.

The wife just got a call from her doctor an they made her an appointment for the monoclonal antibody infusion on Friday and suggested I contact my doctor for one as well, so I guess I'm about to do that.

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