(09-07-2021 07:21 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote: (09-07-2021 05:51 PM)ShrackUAB Wrote: (09-07-2021 05:46 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote: (09-07-2021 05:34 PM)ShrackUAB Wrote: (09-06-2021 05:36 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote: Clearly the vaccine works if you live in Memphis. Maybe everyone in Israel should move there so their vax will work better.
The vaccine also works if you live in Israel:
https://www.covid-datascience.com/post/i...vaccinated
Whoever won the gold in gymnastics this year should have to forfeit it to the writers of that article. That was seriously epic stuff.
So are you arguing that the numbers are wrong and the Pfizer vaccine does not have an 85%+ efficacy in Israel for people over the age of 50? Or a 90%+ efficacy for people under the age of 50?
I'm saying that something does not add up here when nearly 85% of adults are vaccinated yet hospitalizations are at are near pandemic highs with massive numbers of fully vaccined people still ending up in the hospital already needing addition booster shot just 6 months after being fully vaccinated.
Its the easiest thing in the world to massage numbers to make this look better or worse than it actually is. The link is a rather obvious attempt to make it look as good as possible and throw shade on the fact that the pandemic is still raging at peak levels there despite having the highest vaccinated rates in the world.
The issue is NOT if the vax is beneficial for the elderly and compromised, its clearly is and I am not arguing otherwise. That must be the 10th time I have said that in this thread now. GET IT THROUGH YOUR THICK SKULL.
Imagine if there were no vaccinations. How much worse do you think this would be? You can simply look at the unvaccinated rate for your answer. (The answer is: much, much worse)
Also, it's far more likely to be raging near pre vaccine levels because we no longer have lockdowns or anything of that sort. We now have football games with 50-100k people in the stadium and are back to having huge conventions again. People have pandemic fatigue and are tired of it and honestly that is understandable. There is a lot more transmission and mingling going on these days. Another thing to consider is that it's a different strand so people may be comparing apples to oranges here.
The link however itself is just basic math. Math shows the Pfizer vaccine is very effective in Israel, even against Delta. Is it 100% effective or as effective as we all hoped so people can just get back to their lives? Obviously not. Everyone knows that and no one believes the vaccine is 100% effective.
You're sitting here trying to argue that the vaccine isn't very effective, such as your Israel comments about the Delta/Pfizer data coming out of Israel, while you also simultaneously agreeing that the vaccine is effective any time someone refutes you. Pick one.
Basic math shows it is clearly effective and works quite well in ALL populations/age groups, even in people in their 30s. Yeah, your chance of being severely hospitalized by COVID in your 30s or younger isn't incredibly high, but it is still much higher than if you were vaxxed. It is much better than being in the general unvaccinated populace. An 85% - 92% efficacy rate shows the effectiveness. Giving the vaccine to children is still obviously debatable. We don't know long term complications from the vaccine in children and we also don't know long term damage and complications from COVID in children. What's the best route to go? I don't know the answer.
The vaccine however has reduced severe complications with COVID tremendously and that really isn't debatable. That's a fact looking at the numbers. If you want anecdotes you can talk to nearly any actual working doctor and they'll tell you the same thing. You have people in this thread that actually work in hospitals telling you what they're seeing out of their workplace.
If you want to argue that the data is made up or something (not necessarily saying you are, though some people in this thread won't accept any statistics basically ever) then there is no point even having debates with you on this subject, because neither of us can agree on where to start the debate or what the terms are.
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