Hmm.

1, The Big Xii will become the Big XVI and take 8 schools.

2, Oliver Luck will become the 1st Commissioner of the Big XVI.

3, The 4 pods/divisions:

North: Memphis, KSU, ISU, KU

West: BYU, CSU, OSU, TTU

South: Tulane, Houston, Baylor, TCU

East: WVU, UC, USF, UCF

(08-28-2021 12:03 PM)BCSvsBS Wrote:  Hmm.

1, The Big Xii will become the Big XVI and take 8 schools.

2, Oliver Luck will become the 1st Commissioner of the Big XVI.

3, The 4 pods/divisions:

North: Memphis, KSU, ISU, KU

West: BYU, CSU, OSU, TTU

South: Tulane, Houston, Baylor, TCU

East: WVU, UC, USF, UCF

Would love a 16 team Big 12 with the teams you named. My ideal outcome.

(08-28-2021 12:26 PM)Jugnaut Wrote:  

(08-28-2021 12:03 PM)BCSvsBS Wrote:  Hmm.

1, The Big Xii will become the Big XVI and take 8 schools.

2, Oliver Luck will become the 1st Commissioner of the Big XVI.

3, The 4 pods/divisions:

North: Memphis, KSU, ISU, KU

West: BYU, CSU, OSU, TTU

South: Tulane, Houston, Baylor, TCU

East: WVU, UC, USF, UCF

Would love a 16 team Big 12 with the teams you named. My ideal outcome.

Same.

I would replace Tulane for their no good in FB. Yea I know they are putting them in for academics more less, but you could get a State school in Louisiana who has a very good FB team. Still puts you in prime recruiting grounds within the SEC, and their a decent school ready for an upgrade.

(08-28-2021 12:44 PM)BigOwensboroCard Wrote:  I would replace Tulane for their no good in FB. Yea I know they are putting them in for academics more less, but you could get a State school in Louisiana who has a very good FB team. Still puts you in prime recruiting grounds within the SEC, and their a decent school ready for an upgrade.

Conference affiliation is a two-way street. If they went to 14 or 16, investing in Tulane would probably be a good idea.

Going from C-USA to the AAC definitely raised their programs. Football went from awful to mediocre. They built a football stadium, they totally redid their basketball arena.

An even higher elevation of conference would elevate them further.


And one thing that people often overlook is that "having a conference of all peers who are identical to each other and excellent" is actually NOT GOOD for everyone because conference play is a zero-sum game.

If the top 10 in the country were in one conference, 10th place isn't going to look 10th best in the country, because they'll be 1-8 or 2-7 in football; and 3-15 in basketball in conference play.

(08-28-2021 01:31 PM)JSchmack Wrote:  

(08-28-2021 12:44 PM)BigOwensboroCard Wrote:  I would replace Tulane for their no good in FB. Yea I know they are putting them in for academics more less, but you could get a State school in Louisiana who has a very good FB team. Still puts you in prime recruiting grounds within the SEC, and their a decent school ready for an upgrade.

Conference affiliation is a two-way street. If they went to 14 or 16, investing in Tulane would probably be a good idea.

Going from C-USA to the AAC definitely raised their programs. Football went from awful to mediocre. They built a football stadium, they totally redid their basketball arena.

An even higher elevation of conference would elevate them further.


And one thing that people often overlook is that "having a conference of all peers who are identical to each other and excellent" is actually NOT GOOD for everyone because conference play is a zero-sum game.

If the top 10 in the country were in one conference, 10th place isn't going to look 10th best in the country, because they'll be 1-8 or 2-7 in football; and 3-15 in basketball in conference play.

From a conference standpoint---that doesnt matter. From a conference standpoint---what matters is that 2-7 or 1-8 school probably went 3-0 in OOC play.

No to 16. That's too many and would most likely reduce the TV payouts.

(08-28-2021 01:59 PM)Big Frog II Wrote:  No to 16. That's too many and would most likely reduce the TV payouts.

It depends on what the Media Provider want's. The buyer is always right!

(08-28-2021 10:35 AM)bullet Wrote:  16 would make them seem like the WAC and make them more vulnerable to splintering. I don't think the $$ would justify the travel.

14 is max and can't include anybody west of Provo.

They are WAY ahead of the AAC and MWC. They don't need to try to damage them.

The R8 attendance is better than the Pac 12 and ACC. Going to 16 makes them look more like MWC and AAC and less like Pac 12 and ACC.

Provo is too far west. Don’t need 2 outliers in the conference.

There's no money in west coast college football. Stop at 12 and chop off the four in the western group.

West - BYU, UNLV, Colorado State, Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma State, Baylor, and Texas Tech

East- Cincinnati, UCF, Houston, Iowa State, Memphis, SMU, TCU, and West Virginia

OR

West - BYU, UNLV, Colorado State, Oklahoma State
Central - Kansas, Kansas State, Texas Tech, Baylor
South - Houston, Memphis, SMU, TCU
East - UCF, Cincinnati, Iowa State, West Virginia

(08-28-2021 01:31 PM)JSchmack Wrote:  

(08-28-2021 12:44 PM)BigOwensboroCard Wrote:  I would replace Tulane for their no good in FB. Yea I know they are putting them in for academics more less, but you could get a State school in Louisiana who has a very good FB team. Still puts you in prime recruiting grounds within the SEC, and their a decent school ready for an upgrade.

Conference affiliation is a two-way street. If they went to 14 or 16, investing in Tulane would probably be a good idea.

Going from C-USA to the AAC definitely raised their programs. Football went from awful to mediocre. They built a football stadium, they totally redid their basketball arena.

An even higher elevation of conference would elevate them further.


And one thing that people often overlook is that "having a conference of all peers who are identical to each other and excellent" is actually NOT GOOD for everyone because conference play is a zero-sum game.

If the top 10 in the country were in one conference, 10th place isn't going to look 10th best in the country, because they'll be 1-8 or 2-7 in football; and 3-15 in basketball in conference play.

the AAC took Tulane for their academics, nothing else. everything else you listed dont help the AAC now, much less the big 12 resurrection project either.

(08-28-2021 02:59 PM)ARSTATEFAN1986 Wrote:  West - BYU, UNLV, Colorado State, Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma State, Baylor, and Texas Tech

East- Cincinnati, UCF, Houston, Iowa State, Memphis, SMU, TCU, and West Virginia

OR

West - BYU, UNLV, Colorado State, Oklahoma State
Central - Kansas, Kansas State, Texas Tech, Baylor
South - Houston, Memphis, SMU, TCU
East - UCF, Cincinnati, Iowa State, West Virginia

Smart play for population demographics, matchups, following, and streaming

East - UCF, USF, TEMPLE, ECU, WVU, UC, Memphis, Tulane

West - SMU, TCU, Tech, Houston, OSU, KU, KState, ISU

Of course I prefer the full merger with the above stated in 4 pods of 5 to include BYU, Navy, Tulsa, Baylor.

That way your prepared for the PAC12 raid when they renegotiate their rights next year. Go AAC!!!

What G5 teams deserve a conference promotion based upon on field football and basketball success?

Not markets, not academics. Just on field success over last 10 years. Yes, I realize this isn't the only criteria of how expansion decisions are made...but this should give good idea based on results. Using football AP poll.

Boise - 5 top 25 football finishes, 2 NCAA tournaments

Cincy - 3 top 25 football finishes, 8 NCAA tournaments

Houston - 1 top 25 football finishes, 3 NCAA tournaments

UCF - 4 top 25 football finishes, 1 NCAA tournaments

Memphis - 3 top 25 football finishes, 3 NCAA tournaments

USF - 2 top 25 football finishes, 0 NCAA tournaments

CSU - 0 top 25 football finishes, 2 NCAA tournaments

SMU - 0 top 25 football finishes, 2 NCAA tournaments

SDSU - 1 top 25 football finishes, 6 NCAA tournaments

Tulane - 0 top 25 football finishes, 0 NCAA tournaments

BYU - 1 top 25 football finishes, 3 NCAA tournaments


Top 4 in football: Boise, UCF, Memphis, Cincy

Top 4 in Basketball: Cincy, SDSU, Memphis, Houston, BYU

Part of me definitely buys into the notion of minimal expansion, focused on the “here and now” fundamentals of incremental value add, and geographic and cultural cohesion.

Another part recognizes that the SEC and B1G (and to a lesser extent the ACC and PAC) have simply won the “conventional arms” battle, and attempting to match them on those terms makes little sense. I can’t pretend to know the right answer, but if I were the conference leadership I’d be open to considering the pros and cons of expanding to 16 or even 18. The prior history of the WAC and such can give lessons from which to learn, but it’s also not quite the same situation as it was for them at that time.

Interest in Tulane is never about football or academics. Interest in Tulane is about the City.

(08-27-2021 09:52 PM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  

(08-27-2021 09:14 PM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  West: BYU, Boise State, Colorado State, San Diego State

Midwest: Oklahoma State, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State

Texas: Texas Tech, TCU, Baylor, Houston (Tulane if egos prevent this)

East: West Virginia, Cincinnati, UCF, USF (Memphis if no need for two Florida schools)

https://sports.yahoo.com/think-big-here-...16120.html


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No love for SMU. In 1983, they were #2 in the nation and playing Pitt in the Cotton Bowl. A generation later, passed over for San Diego State?

Don't they have big money backers. With what is coming in the future with the NIL and possibly more. SMU would not have to worry about consequences like before. Don't count them out.

Expansion to 16 should be incremental yet any multi-step “plan” must be able to succeed without the successive steps.

Even adding 4 is a big jump. Maybe you could put the 4 in a division with TCU and WVU, to keep most of the old guard together and avoid a loss of identity. This kinda means if BYU is involved the XII will stop at 10 for a bit (4 to whenever-the-XII-dissolves years).

Message-board chatter is that Cincinnati is that 10th school. I think UCF will signal that they’ll wait for a larger ETZ presence. Don’t know if Houston is in a better situation with Texas gone.

(08-28-2021 12:02 PM)bluesox Wrote:  The big 12 could just go national, maybe sell the naming rights to their conference

West :SD State, UNLV, Boise state, BYU, New Mexico, Gonzaga/Hawaii football

North: Ok state, KU, K state, Iowa state, Colorado state, Memphis

South: SMU, TCU, Baylor, Houston, Texas Tech, Tulane

East: UCF, USF, ECU, temple, Cincinnati, WVU

Naming Rights, huh?

How about Penile Enhancement?

Call today and get a “Big 12” of your very own!!!

The issue is that which schools not in the P5 that have top 10 in the polls since 2000?

Boise State have the most.
Hawaii 1
Tulane 1
marshall 1
UCF 2
Cincinnati I think 2
USF 1
Miami, Ohio 1 Year of Big Ben.
BYU have a couple.
Fresno State 1

I don't think anybody else have.