(08-27-2021 09:41 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  As much as I’d like this, I don’t see how one of Boise St, Colorado St, or San Diego St gets in over Memphis. Even more, I think SMU and Temple (and possibly Tulane) may be stronger options than the Western schools, other than BYU.

East: West Virginia, Cincinnati, Temple, UConn

South: UCF, USF, Houston, Memphis

Midwest: Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State, Oklahoma State

West: BYU, Texas Tech, TCU, Baylor


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They’ll go to sixteen and continue along with the Big XII moniker.

















I don’t see them expanding beyond XII

16 would make them seem like the WAC and make them more vulnerable to splintering. I don't think the $$ would justify the travel.

14 is max and can't include anybody west of Provo.

They are WAY ahead of the AAC and MWC. They don't need to try to damage them.

The R8 attendance is better than the Pac 12 and ACC. Going to 16 makes them look more like MWC and AAC and less like Pac 12 and ACC.

(08-27-2021 09:14 PM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  West: BYU, Boise State, Colorado State, San Diego State

Midwest: Oklahoma State, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State

Texas: Texas Tech, TCU, Baylor, Houston (Tulane if egos prevent this)

East: West Virginia, Cincinnati, UCF, USF (Memphis if no need for two

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It's gonna be 12, big 12 welcome Cincinnati UCF BYU and boise state

Anyone else tired of these so called journalists throwing out really stupid ideas of their own creation as clickbait articles?

I would be absolutely shocked it the Big 12 expanded past 12, let alone 16, and I only think there are 6 legitimate candidates in the running:

BYU
Cincinnati
Houston
Memphis
UCF
USF

SMU, Boise St, Tulane, and Colorado St are not going to be seriously considered.

The big issue is how does the big 12, AAC, MWC and to a lesser point cusa and sun belt coexist. Do they want to create a pecking order, yes for the top dog ( big 12 now)or do they want to give each league enough bones and make some geographic sense. I could see the big 12 take 4 from BYU, Cincinnati, Houston, UCF and Memphis. I’m not sure what the AAC does if they lost 4 + does temple or Wichita state go to a hoops league ? They could reload with rice, UAB , Georgia state, St. Louis U and VCU to get to 12 than have some football only invites to UConn and Umass. Or each league below the big 12 could try to carve out a geographical wise setup.

(08-28-2021 11:02 AM)bluesox Wrote:  The big issue is how does the big 12, AAC, MWC and to a lesser point cusa and sun belt coexist. Do they want to create a pecking order, yes for the top dog or do they want to give each league enough bones and make some geographic sense. I could see the big 12 take 4 from BYU, Cincinnati, Houston, UCF and Memphis. I’m not sure what the AAC does if they lost 4 + does temple or Wichita state go to a hoops league ? They could reload with rice, UAB , Georgia state, St. Louis U and VCU to get to 12 than have some football only invites to UConn and Umass. Or each league below the big 12 could try to carve out a geographical wise setup.

The Big 12 needs an identity. Going coast to coast does away with that.

(08-28-2021 10:58 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Anyone else tired of these so called journalists throwing out really stupid ideas of their own creation as clickbait articles?

I would be absolutely shocked it the Big 12 expanded past 12, let alone 16, and I only think there are 6 legitimate candidates in the running:

BYU
Cincinnati
Houston
Memphis
UCF
USF

SMU, Boise St, Tulane, and Colorado St are not going to be seriously considered.

What if boise st joined for football only and GONZAGA for other sports? Hmmmm

(08-28-2021 11:04 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-28-2021 11:02 AM)bluesox Wrote:  The big issue is how does the big 12, AAC, MWC and to a lesser point cusa and sun belt coexist. Do they want to create a pecking order, yes for the top dog or do they want to give each league enough bones and make some geographic sense. I could see the big 12 take 4 from BYU, Cincinnati, Houston, UCF and Memphis. I’m not sure what the AAC does if they lost 4 + does temple or Wichita state go to a hoops league ? They could reload with rice, UAB , Georgia state, St. Louis U and VCU to get to 12 than have some football only invites to UConn and Umass. Or each league below the big 12 could try to carve out a geographical wise setup.

The Big 12 rneeds an identity. Going coast to coast does away with that.

I'm a homer but old dominion has budget for aac and navy and east carolina would love odu. NORFOLK

(08-28-2021 11:04 AM)jaybird44 Wrote:  

(08-28-2021 10:58 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Anyone else tired of these so called journalists throwing out really stupid ideas of their own creation as clickbait articles?

I would be absolutely shocked it the Big 12 expanded past 12, let alone 16, and I only think there are 6 legitimate candidates in the running:

BYU
Cincinnati
Houston
Memphis
UCF
USF

SMU, Boise St, Tulane, and Colorado St are not going to be seriously considered.

What if boise st joined for football only and GONZAGA for other sports? Hmmmm

Boise isn’t the same brand they were 10 years ago and I don’t think it’s sensible to stretch the footprint that far west.

ODU would work for the AAC same with Charlotte. I guess it just depends who they lose and if they would consider more non football schools like St. Louis or VCU

AAC

West :St. Louis, Wichita state, Tulsa, smu, rice, Tulane

I like that western setup as a base to build with a 6 team east side post big 12 raid

(08-27-2021 09:52 PM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  

(08-27-2021 09:14 PM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  West: BYU, Boise State, Colorado State, San Diego State

Midwest: Oklahoma State, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State

Texas: Texas Tech, TCU, Baylor, Houston (Tulane if egos prevent this)

East: West Virginia, Cincinnati, UCF, USF (Memphis if no need for two Florida schools)

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No love for SMU. In 1983, they were #2 in the nation and playing Pitt in the Cotton Bowl. A generation later, passed over for San Diego State?

The issue with SMU is not the number of times they have cheated but the number of times they have been caught cheating with NCAA penalties.

14 would be the highest i'd go with BYU, Cincy, Houston, USF, UCF and Memphis but if I had to choose 2 more to get to 16 i'd add CSU and Tulane.

East- WVU, Cincy, USF, UCF, Memphis, Tulane, Houston, Baylor

West- BYU, CSU, KU, KSU, ISU, TCU, OSU, Tech

If you want pods of 4:

WVU, Cincy, ISU, KU

BYU, CSU, OSU, KSU

Tech, Houston, Baylor, TCU

Tulane, Memphis, USF, UCF

(08-28-2021 11:13 AM)Steve1981 Wrote:  

(08-27-2021 09:52 PM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  

(08-27-2021 09:14 PM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  West: BYU, Boise State, Colorado State, San Diego State

Midwest: Oklahoma State, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State

Texas: Texas Tech, TCU, Baylor, Houston (Tulane if egos prevent this)

East: West Virginia, Cincinnati, UCF, USF (Memphis if no need for two Florida schools)

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No love for SMU. In 1983, they were #2 in the nation and playing Pitt in the Cotton Bowl. A generation later, passed over for San Diego State?

The issue with SMU is not the number of times they have cheated but the number of times they have been caught cheating with NCAA penalties.

I think it mostly has to do with TCU already bringing in the Dallas-FW market

(08-28-2021 10:58 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Anyone else tired of these so called journalists throwing out really stupid ideas of their own creation as clickbait articles?

I would be absolutely shocked it the Big 12 expanded past 12, let alone 16, and I only think there are 6 legitimate candidates in the running:

BYU
Cincinnati
Houston
Memphis
UCF
USF

SMU, Boise St, Tulane, and Colorado St are not going to be seriously considered.

Totally agree. I am not buying the Boise noise. I think they add from this group of 6.

If they were smart they would go bigger though. 14 to 16 and leave no doubt who the 5th best conference is. Arguably better football than PAC and ACC.

Still don’t get the USF love. They haven’t even been a good football or basketball program in the AAC! In football, they have been bottom half of conference other than 2 really good years in 16-17. In basketball, they arguably are the worst program in league. I understand good academics and Tampa is a strength, but if they are so deserving why can’t they compete even in the AAC? They may get in on potential or proximity to UCF, but it won’t be their programs have been good. Don’t get it.

What's to prevent ESPN, the aggressor in all this, from making a preemptive move that tightens the noose around the L8? There are givens here:

1) ESPN wants the L8 dead
2) He who has the gold rules
3) ESPN has more gold.
4) The L8 has less gold

What if they fund some combination of BYU, Boise, San Diego and Air Force or Colorado St to the AAC while juicing the deal with much larger payout based on a GOR basis? Not probable but not impossible either. The Mouse does not like to lose and someone far smarter than me would have to generate all the numbers and add up the bucks at the end of all this to determine what makes sense and what doesn't. Because to know that is to know what is going to happen.

What I am trying to say here is that ESPN has a number of ways to win while the L8 have only one: The L8 must expand to survive and anyone they go after is already an ESPN property. If the L8 somehow manages, against their history, to muddle through this and win its only because ESPN has decided it's in their interest to let them. Or something like that.

In the end, the L8 expansion plans depend on the very same entity that stripped them of their Royal Titles and lofty elite heritage. The rest of the herd - seeing the L8 being savaged by the ESPN predator have ran away and bunched up together and are just watching the show while bleating loudly. Having gone this far do you think ESPN is now going to just roll over?

All just an opinion of course

(08-28-2021 11:29 AM)TigerPete Wrote:  

(08-28-2021 10:58 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Anyone else tired of these so called journalists throwing out really stupid ideas of their own creation as clickbait articles?

I would be absolutely shocked it the Big 12 expanded past 12, let alone 16, and I only think there are 6 legitimate candidates in the running:

BYU
Cincinnati
Houston
Memphis
UCF
USF

SMU, Boise St, Tulane, and Colorado St are not going to be seriously considered.

Totally agree. I am not buying the Boise noise. I think they add from this group of 6.

If they were smart they would go bigger though. 14 to 16 and leave no doubt who the 5th best conference is. Arguably better football than PAC and ACC.

Still don’t get the USF love. They haven’t even been a good football or basketball program in the AAC! In football, they have been bottom half of conference other than 2 really good years in 16-17. In basketball, they arguably are the worst program in league. I understand good academics and Tampa is a strength, but if they are so deserving why can’t they compete even in the AAC? They may get in on potential or proximity to UCF, but it won’t be their programs have been good. Don’t get it.

CUSA went big and didn't separate itself from the Sun Belt at all. Instead, they came back down.

(08-28-2021 11:32 AM)RockyMTNTiger Wrote:  What's to prevent ESPN, the aggressor in all this, from making a preemptive move that tightens the noose around the L8? There are givens here:

1) ESPN wants the L8 dead
2) He who has the gold rules
3) ESPN has more gold.
4) The L8 has less gold

What if they fund some combination of BYU, Boise, San Diego and Air Force or Colorado St to the AAC while juicing the deal with much larger payout based on a GOR basis? Not probable but not impossible either. The Mouse does not like to lose and someone far smarter than me would have to generate all the numbers and add up the bucks at the end of all this to determine what makes sense and what doesn't. Because to know that is to know what is going to happen.

What I am trying to say here is that ESPN has a number of ways to win while the L8 have only one: The L8 must expand to survive and anyone they go after is already an ESPN property. If the L8 somehow manages, against their history, to muddle through this and win its only because ESPN has decided it's in their interest to let them. Or something like that.

In the end, the L8 expansion plans depend on the very same entity that stripped them of their Royal Titles and lofty elite heritage. The rest of the herd - seeing the L8 being savaged by the ESPN predator have ran away and bunched up together and are just watching the show while bleating loudly. Having gone this far do you think ESPN is now going to just roll over?

All just an opinion of course

Ill believe it when I see it. I dont think ESPN likes losing money. They want to dissolve the Big XII, not pay the AAC more money just to prove a point.

(08-28-2021 11:32 AM)RockyMTNTiger Wrote:  What's to prevent ESPN, the aggressor in all this, from making a preemptive move that tightens the noose around the L8? There are givens here:

1) ESPN wants the L8 dead
2) He who has the gold rules
3) ESPN has more gold.
4) The L8 has less gold

What if they fund some combination of BYU, Boise, San Diego and Air Force or Colorado St to the AAC while juicing the deal with much larger payout based on a GOR basis? Not probable but not impossible either. The Mouse does not like to lose and someone far smarter than me would have to generate all the numbers and add up the bucks at the end of all this to determine what makes sense and what doesn't. Because to know that is to know what is going to happen.

What I am trying to say here is that ESPN has a number of ways to win while the L8 have only one: The L8 must expand to survive and anyone they go after is already an ESPN property. If the L8 somehow manages, against their history, to muddle through this and win its only because ESPN has decided it's in their interest to let them. Or something like that.

In the end, the L8 expansion plans depend on the very same entity that stripped them of their Royal Titles and lofty elite heritage. The rest of the herd - seeing the L8 being savaged by the ESPN predator have ran away and bunched up together and are just watching the show while bleating loudly. Having gone this far do you think ESPN is now going to just roll over?

All just an opinion of course

ESPN has already won. Between the remainder of the BigXII, The AAC, and the MWC there's no combination of schools that's going to bring the value of UT and OU.

Unfortunately they're squabbling over table scraps so they can carve out a spot as the best of the G6.

The big 12 could just go national, maybe sell the naming rights to their conference

West :SD State, UNLV, Boise state, BYU, New Mexico, Gonzaga/Hawaii football

North: Ok state, KU, K state, Iowa state, Colorado state, Memphis

South: SMU, TCU, Baylor, Houston, Texas Tech, Tulane

East: UCF, USF, ECU, temple, Cincinnati, WVU