This thread is great. 2 accountants pissing at each other and an accountant-hater Dukeman2 chiming in only to be chastised by Dukeman3PO.

Everyone using their calculus to prove that 1+1 does not equal 2. Which, of course, it doesn’t if you use calculus. However, basic arithmetic gets us universal truth.

No matter how you slice and dice, JMU overspends on its Olympic sports that don’t produce any revenue and it overspends on FCS football about 3X as much as the typical FCS program.

Athletic Departments that are far less funded than JMU play FBS football because they allocate appropriately to the sport that can provide maximum revenue in return. FCS revenue cannot be and never has been enough to offset expenses in football. The smart ones operate in the FBS arena where revenue is substantially higher even if the investment is not.

Carry on with the entertainment

(08-18-2021 09:32 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(08-18-2021 09:25 PM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  

(08-18-2021 09:12 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(08-18-2021 08:49 PM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  

(08-18-2021 08:44 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  4,323,959

Go ahead DoubleDogDare. Let’s see your presentation.

Is that code for I can be a reasonable person and JMU accounting runs circles around ODU?

I’d like to see the very reliable source you promised. Surely it wasn’t an estimation of growth JMU would experience upon entering CUSA. You wouldn’t quote yourself as a very reliable source would you? But that’s the amount of additional athletic department revenues JMU would have to produce to be less dependent than FIU by .01% according to USA Today. A very manageable number I’d agree but a profoundly stupid argument and not at all what you’d promised. Forgive me, im assuming again. I’ll be quiet now and let you show off that JMU degree.

Sources have already been noted, twice. How did you calculate the $4.3M in additional revenue, that would be a significantly lower burden of proof than what I thought.

I calculated it using algebra.

What sources?

Go read post #2190 again, slowly. No no no. Slower. Still didn't catch it? Wow. Okay. No worries, I reposted it again in #2229. I even took the time to walk you all the way through it. Clearly I don't need to do it again, I mean I literally said "..we don't even have to use those sources from 2016. We have a couple audit reports from last year.."

So yeah I'm out. You can't read. You can't provide reasonable responses.

And well, you already proved my point when you said "...that’s the amount of additional athletic department revenues JMU would have to produce to be less dependent than FIU by .01% according to USA Today. A very manageable number I'd agree...." Not sure why you were so interested in the bet surrounding a hypothetical event if you thought it was stupid, but it kind of speaks to the level of intelligence you have displayed.

University of Arkansas at Little Rock must have paid Carr significantly more money than JMU. I'm too busy emptying my bladder to read it all but it appears UofA@LR was a little more serious with their feasibility study, makes the JMU report look like a check the box exercise.

https://arktimes.com/wp-content/uploads/...inal-2.pdf

The suspense is killing me......

https://imgur.com/a/i39ucqc

EDIT for the picture because Mturn lost the first argument, then the second, then the third and now he has resorted to bashing message board abilities.

So what we have determined is JMU is heavily subsidized and if they were in CUSA they would be one of the most subsidized programs in the conference. My bad for saying the most subsidized.... then again, I didn’t say JMU would be the most subsidized, USA Today says that.

Interesting to me that the JMU AD claims the JMU budget has about $10 million more than all the other schools just from how they do accounting. So if that’s true, your budget isn’t nearly as impressive in terms of claiming you are ready for the AAC.

I’ll say this much, this is one of the reasons I like JMU and wouldn’t mind sharing a conference with you. JMU fans are passionate and think way too highly of JMU which makes for great regional rivalries. So now, get your finances in order, grow a pair of balls, and move up to join the rest of us so we can beat you guys on a yearly basis.

(08-18-2021 09:42 PM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  

(08-18-2021 09:32 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(08-18-2021 09:25 PM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  

(08-18-2021 09:12 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(08-18-2021 08:49 PM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  Is that code for I can be a reasonable person and JMU accounting runs circles around ODU?

I’d like to see the very reliable source you promised. Surely it wasn’t an estimation of growth JMU would experience upon entering CUSA. You wouldn’t quote yourself as a very reliable source would you? But that’s the amount of additional athletic department revenues JMU would have to produce to be less dependent than FIU by .01% according to USA Today. A very manageable number I’d agree but a profoundly stupid argument and not at all what you’d promised. Forgive me, im assuming again. I’ll be quiet now and let you show off that JMU degree.

Sources have already been noted, twice. How did you calculate the $4.3M in additional revenue, that would be a significantly lower burden of proof than what I thought.

I calculated it using algebra.

What sources?

Go read post #2190 again, slowly. No no no. Slower. Still didn't catch it? Wow. Okay. No worries, I reposted it again in #2229. I even took the time to walk you all the way through it. Clearly I don't need to do it again, I mean I literally said "..we don't even have to use those sources from 2016. We have a couple audit reports from last year.."

So yeah I'm out. You can't read. You can't provide reasonable responses.

And well, you already proved my point when you said "...that’s the amount of additional athletic department revenues JMU would have to produce to be less dependent than FIU by .01% according to USA Today. A very manageable number I'd agree...." Not sure why you were so interested in the bet surrounding a hypothetical event if you thought it was stupid, but it kind of speaks to the level of intelligence you have displayed.

OK. So link these multiple reports from schools in CUSA that will help your case. USA Today which is compiled from NCAA reporting as I mentioned before shows that JMU would be the highest subsidized program in CUSA if you joined tomorrow. If you have itemized statements that can show that’s not correct then produce them because I don’t think I’m alone in saying that you projecting growth was definitely not part of the bargain you offered herdfan, not at all what you inferred as a “very reliable source”.

(08-18-2021 06:17 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  I’ll take your bet then. Release the Kraken.

You idiot, you're supposed to TRIPLE Dog Dare him!

(08-18-2021 10:11 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  So what we have determined is JMU is heavily subsidized and if they were in CUSA they would be one of the most subsidized programs in the conference. My bad for saying the most subsidized.... then again, I didn’t say JMU would be the most subsidized, USA Today says that.

Interesting to me that the JMU AD claims the JMU budget has about $10 million more than all the other schools just from how they do accounting. So if that’s true, your budget isn’t nearly as impressive in terms of claiming you are ready for the AAC.

I’ll say this much, this is one of the reasons I like JMU and wouldn’t mind sharing a conference with you. JMU fans are passionate and think way too highly of JMU which makes for great regional rivalries. So now, get your finances in order, grow a pair of balls, and move up to join the rest of us so we can beat you guys on a yearly basis.

It’s on or the other, right? You’re either the most subsidized or your budget is inflated and you’re still one of the most subsidized. The answer is the latter but we’ll never know the truth as we can’t get apples to apples comparisons.

(08-18-2021 10:13 PM)JMaddy Wrote:  

(08-18-2021 06:17 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  I’ll take your bet then. Release the Kraken.

You idiot, you're supposed to TRIPLE Dog Dare him!

Missed opportunity for sure

(08-18-2021 10:00 PM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  The suspense is killing me......

https://imgur.com/a/i39ucqc

Can’t even post a damn picture on a message board.

(08-18-2021 10:17 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(08-18-2021 10:11 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  So what we have determined is JMU is heavily subsidized and if they were in CUSA they would be one of the most subsidized programs in the conference. My bad for saying the most subsidized.... then again, I didn’t say JMU would be the most subsidized, USA Today says that.

Interesting to me that the JMU AD claims the JMU budget has about $10 million more than all the other schools just from how they do accounting. So if that’s true, your budget isn’t nearly as impressive in terms of claiming you are ready for the AAC.

I’ll say this much, this is one of the reasons I like JMU and wouldn’t mind sharing a conference with you. JMU fans are passionate and think way too highly of JMU which makes for great regional rivalries. So now, get your finances in order, grow a pair of balls, and move up to join the rest of us so we can beat you guys on a yearly basis.

It’s on or the other, right? You’re either the most subsidized or your budget is inflated and you’re still one of the most subsidized. The answer is the latter but we’ll never know the truth as we can’t get apples to apples comparisons.

(08-17-2021 12:31 AM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  ........we would not be most subsidized in CUSA.........

So like are you two knuckle heads going to admit you cannot read or Duke Club?

(08-18-2021 10:22 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(08-18-2021 10:00 PM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  The suspense is killing me......

https://imgur.com/a/i39ucqc

Can’t even post a damn picture on a message board.

CSN fcks up sometimes. Two of your last three images/gifs have done the same thing. Click the link. Come back here. Refresh. Dumb@$$

(08-18-2021 10:30 PM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  

(08-18-2021 10:22 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(08-18-2021 10:00 PM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  The suspense is killing me......

https://imgur.com/a/i39ucqc

Can’t even post a damn picture on a message board.

CSN fcks up sometimes. Two of your last three images/gifs have done the same thing. Click the link. Come back here. Refresh. Dumb@$$

Man, you just can’t admit you’re full of **** huh?

(08-18-2021 10:28 PM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  

(08-18-2021 10:17 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(08-18-2021 10:11 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  So what we have determined is JMU is heavily subsidized and if they were in CUSA they would be one of the most subsidized programs in the conference. My bad for saying the most subsidized.... then again, I didn’t say JMU would be the most subsidized, USA Today says that.

Interesting to me that the JMU AD claims the JMU budget has about $10 million more than all the other schools just from how they do accounting. So if that’s true, your budget isn’t nearly as impressive in terms of claiming you are ready for the AAC.

I’ll say this much, this is one of the reasons I like JMU and wouldn’t mind sharing a conference with you. JMU fans are passionate and think way too highly of JMU which makes for great regional rivalries. So now, get your finances in order, grow a pair of balls, and move up to join the rest of us so we can beat you guys on a yearly basis.

It’s on or the other, right? You’re either the most subsidized or your budget is inflated and you’re still one of the most subsidized. The answer is the latter but we’ll never know the truth as we can’t get apples to apples comparisons.

(08-17-2021 12:31 AM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  ........we would not be most subsidized in CUSA.........

So like are you two knuckle heads going to admit you cannot read or Duke Club?

So wait, are you agreeing with me, Bourne and the freaking NCAA itself who made the rules for reporting now that the USA Today/NCAA reporting is not comparable?

It’s one or the other bud. Either those numbers are the gold standard and shouldn’t be questioned and thus you lose the bet or else they’re not comparable and admit I’m right.

(08-18-2021 10:54 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(08-18-2021 10:28 PM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  

(08-18-2021 10:17 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(08-18-2021 10:11 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  So what we have determined is JMU is heavily subsidized and if they were in CUSA they would be one of the most subsidized programs in the conference. My bad for saying the most subsidized.... then again, I didn’t say JMU would be the most subsidized, USA Today says that.

Interesting to me that the JMU AD claims the JMU budget has about $10 million more than all the other schools just from how they do accounting. So if that’s true, your budget isn’t nearly as impressive in terms of claiming you are ready for the AAC.

I’ll say this much, this is one of the reasons I like JMU and wouldn’t mind sharing a conference with you. JMU fans are passionate and think way too highly of JMU which makes for great regional rivalries. So now, get your finances in order, grow a pair of balls, and move up to join the rest of us so we can beat you guys on a yearly basis.

It’s on or the other, right? You’re either the most subsidized or your budget is inflated and you’re still one of the most subsidized. The answer is the latter but we’ll never know the truth as we can’t get apples to apples comparisons.

(08-17-2021 12:31 AM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  ........we would not be most subsidized in CUSA.........

So like are you two knuckle heads going to admit you cannot read or Duke Club?

So wait, are you agreeing with me, Bourne and the freaking NCAA itself who made the rules for reporting now that the USA Today/NCAA reporting is not comparable?

Whataboutism? Again?

Since you are so good with images on a message board, can you add the screenshot of your donation?

(08-18-2021 10:51 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(08-18-2021 10:30 PM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  

(08-18-2021 10:22 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(08-18-2021 10:00 PM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  The suspense is killing me......

https://imgur.com/a/i39ucqc

Can’t even post a damn picture on a message board.

CSN fcks up sometimes. Two of your last three images/gifs have done the same thing. Click the link. Come back here. Refresh. Dumb@$$

Man, you just can’t admit you’re full of **** huh?

Ahhh you right, I see from quoting it now that I clicked the URL tag and not the image one located directly right beside it. My apologies. I f'cked it up. I'll blame it on the suspense of you taking 30 minutes to figure out how to pivot the argument.

(08-18-2021 10:58 PM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  

(08-18-2021 10:54 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(08-18-2021 10:28 PM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  

(08-18-2021 10:17 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(08-18-2021 10:11 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  So what we have determined is JMU is heavily subsidized and if they were in CUSA they would be one of the most subsidized programs in the conference. My bad for saying the most subsidized.... then again, I didn’t say JMU would be the most subsidized, USA Today says that.

Interesting to me that the JMU AD claims the JMU budget has about $10 million more than all the other schools just from how they do accounting. So if that’s true, your budget isn’t nearly as impressive in terms of claiming you are ready for the AAC.

I’ll say this much, this is one of the reasons I like JMU and wouldn’t mind sharing a conference with you. JMU fans are passionate and think way too highly of JMU which makes for great regional rivalries. So now, get your finances in order, grow a pair of balls, and move up to join the rest of us so we can beat you guys on a yearly basis.

It’s on or the other, right? You’re either the most subsidized or your budget is inflated and you’re still one of the most subsidized. The answer is the latter but we’ll never know the truth as we can’t get apples to apples comparisons.

(08-17-2021 12:31 AM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  ........we would not be most subsidized in CUSA.........

So like are you two knuckle heads going to admit you cannot read or Duke Club?

So wait, are you agreeing with me, Bourne and the freaking NCAA itself who made the rules for reporting now that the USA Today/NCAA reporting is not comparable?

Whataboutism? Again?

Since you are so good with images on a message board, can you add the screenshot of your donation?

I’ve never, ever argued that JMU would be the most subsidized. I’ve argued that you can’t prove it because the data is not reliably comparable. You’ve been all over the place like a lost puppy. So which is it? Once and for all, do JMUs figures on USA Today include items not reported in other schools athletic budgets? Yes or no?

(08-18-2021 11:18 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  I’ve never, ever argued that JMU would be the most subsidized. I’ve argued that you can’t prove it because the data is not reliably comparable. You’ve been all over the place like a lost puppy. So which is it? Once and for all, do JMUs figures on USA Today include items not reported in other schools athletic budgets? Yes or no?

Hey dumb@$$. Remember when you said "I’ll take your bet then" in post #2230. It was in direct response to my post (#2229) that says "we would not be most subsidized in CUSA." Pay the f'ing $100 you f'ing idiot. Then I'll respond to your question as it is irrelevant as you already said that JMU would not be the most subsidized. It doesn't matter what you think is comparable or not, you said JMU wouldn't be most subsidized. You bet they would. Consider it a lessons learned opportunity for you not reading the bet that you agree to take. Screenshot or just f'ing tuck you tail and never come back.