(07-23-2021 10:38 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 10:24 AM)jgkojak Wrote:  I have always thought the B12 should go big and bold - its the only way.

The best thing they could do is quickly come out with a proposal for a 16 team conference.

Who do they add?
BYU - they have cultural issues, but in the big mix of 16 won't be as obvious
Colorado St - same endowment/academics as KSU/OSU
New Mexico - we're going to 16 here, geographically a fit
Houston - too big a market to ignore in our push to 16
SMU - can't ignore the Dallas metro area and the national fanbase
Cincinatti - the best add of all of these, keeps WV in the fold
UCF - great new market/recruiting ground
USF - travel partner for UCF

Quads:
BYU, CSU, NM, TCU

KU, KSU, ISU, OSU

SMU, Texas Tech, Baylor, Houston

WV, Cinci, UCF, USF

There are two solid FB programs at least in each quad, quality basketball, competitive with ACC and Pac in football

I would bummed if the XII chose New Mexico over Boise St, especially given that quad. Boise St has recently developed rivalries with BYU (2010s+) and TCU (late 2000s-early 2010s). New Mexico is a Utah-lite and there bread-and-butter (basketball) hasn't been so delicious lately. Boise St basketball has been quite a bit better.

I hear ya - I'm open to that idea, also left Memphis out of this but that is a strong possibility.

Big 14

S: SMU, TCU, Baylor, Texas Tech, Houston, Memphis, UCF

N: OK state, KU, K State, Iowa State, Col State, Cincy, WVU

Football only to BYU and X

X = pool of AFA, Navy or San Diego state maybe jump to 18 if they all agree

(07-23-2021 07:55 AM)BCSvsBS Wrote:  No Conference will be going beyond 16 Teams. This can not be stated often enough.

Oh and just a reminder; The Big XII already owns the "Big XVI" name.

The Big Twelve Conference, Inc. filed federal intent-to-use trademark applications for "Big 14" in 1997, 2005, and 2009. The applications were all abandoned because you have to actually start using the mark in inter-state commerce after a certain number of extensions. The last abandonment was in 2012 and and there are no other relevant federal trademark filings since.

You can search trademark registration fillings at https://www.uspto.gov/trademarks/search

Click on "Search our trademark database (TESS), then select the "Basic Word Mark Search" link. From there, you can search by the words in the mark and by the Owner Name. An Owner search of Big Twelve Conference reveals 52 trademark filings, only three of which include Big 14 (those referenced above) and no trademark filings for Big 16 or Big XVI or Big Sixteen or whatever else.

Honest question, how important is football to uconn? Cuz two big basketball brands will at least keep the ship afloat.

They’ll add 2-4 of BYU, Cincinnati, UCF, USF, Memphis, Houston.

(07-23-2021 11:10 AM)mvcfan76 Wrote:  Honest question, how important is football to uconn? Cuz two big basketball brands will at least keep the ship afloat.

Oof. UConn's geography is terrible for the Big 12 and the Big 12's geography is terrible for UConn. A Big 12 without UT/OU, and that seems reasonably likely to lose 2-4 more, isn't going to have the kind of revenue that made the 2016 version appealing. I don't see that getting much traction on either side.

SIMPLE. It will no longer exist like the dog rover who is dead all over. All teams will find new homes in the new P$4.

(07-23-2021 11:24 AM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  SIMPLE. It will no longer exist like the dog rover who is dead all over. All teams will find new homes in the new P$4.

So many people overestimating the desirability of the remaining programs.

They add nothing for the other conferences. Nothing. Why do you think Texas and OU want to leave? The networks likely told them their next TV contract would be 30-35M per school. We know most of that value is only because TX/OU. They want 60-70 M per year.

Kansas is going to bounce to the B1G... Perhaps another lucky Big 12 team to balance them out?

Leaving 6.

BYU, Boise At, Col St, Cincy, Houston, SMU, Memphis and UCF are all candidates, but for some it's not a great move.

The top end of the AAC and the remaining Big 12 programs should realign geographically into 2 next rung leagues.

I don't have any direct dog in this fight. Trying to give an outside perspective.

(07-23-2021 11:00 AM)YNot Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 07:55 AM)BCSvsBS Wrote:  No Conference will be going beyond 16 Teams. This can not be stated often enough.

Oh and just a reminder; The Big XII already owns the "Big XVI" name.

The Big Twelve Conference, Inc. filed federal intent-to-use trademark applications for "Big 14" in 1997, 2005, and 2009. The applications were all abandoned because you have to actually start using the mark in inter-state commerce after a certain number of extensions. The last abandonment was in 2012 and and there are no other relevant federal trademark filings since.

You can search trademark registration fillings at https://www.uspto.gov/trademarks/search

Click on "Search our trademark database (TESS), then select the "Basic Word Mark Search" link. From there, you can search by the words in the mark and by the Owner Name. An Owner search of Big Twelve Conference reveals 52 trademark filings, only three of which include Big 14 (those referenced above) and no trademark filings for Big 16 or Big XVI or Big Sixteen or whatever else.

Ah, when we went through the last realignment someone posted in a thread that the Big XII owned both of those. Interesting. I think they stated they were purchased through GoDaddy.com or some such. Anyway, good to know.

(07-23-2021 11:30 AM)PicksUp Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 11:24 AM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  SIMPLE. It will no longer exist like the dog rover who is dead all over. All teams will find new homes in the new P$4.

So many people overestimating the desirability of the remaining programs.

They add nothing for the other conferences. Nothing. Why do you think Texas and OU want to leave? The networks likely told them their next TV contract would be 30-35M per school. We know most of that value is only because TX/OU. They want 60-70 M per year.

Someone gets it.

I expect the Big 12 will still exist in 6-7 years, just with a significant to massively different lineup. It'll basically be unrecognizable, much like the WAC looks nothing like it did 12 years ago, let alone the mid-90's. Or like the Big East-turned-AAC or the SoCon.

Not all members will leave at once, so the Big 12 will reactively backfill. That's exactly what the Big East did.

I expect something like this:

1) Texas and OU announce they're officially leaving.
2) Two schools get invited in. Let's say, BYU first and then Houston. Rationale: BYU needs a league, and Houston will view being in a league with Tech, TCU, Baylor, and several state flagships and "State U's" as more appealing than the AAC.
3) Kansas gets invited as the 15th B1G school; remember, divisions are no longer required for a CCG, and I think the B1G will take advantage of that. Also, KU basketball adds huge value to Big Ten Network.
4) Big 12 invites Cincinnati.
5) Pac-12 invites TCU and Texas Tech to get into Texas, trying the best it can to keep up with other power conferences.
6) Big 12 invites SMU and UCF.
7) Big 12 decides to return to 12 members and invites USF and, who knows, Colorado State.

What's left:

Holdovers WVU, Iowa State, K-State, Oklahoma State, and Baylor.

Newcomers BYU, Houston, Cincinnati, SMU, UCF, USF, and Colorado State.

Yes, all those newcomers would rather be with remaining Big
New members BYU, Houston, SMU,

I just don't think the AAC will be able to get an upper hand over the Big 12. Even without Texas and OU, I think the Big 12 will remain a step ahead in terms of realignment moves.

EDIT: I'll add that I think the ACC will eventually be able to get Notre Dame to go all-in. ND is going to want the chance for that first round bye in the CFP, and both sides will make significantly more money by linking up. Short of that, there is nothing the ACC can do to even attempt to keep up with the SEC or Big Ten. No, I don't see the ACC inviting any current AAC schools (wouldn't they have already done so?) or WVU (presidents' complaints about academics, and it's just a tiny, shrinking state).

USFFan

(07-22-2021 03:42 PM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  

(07-22-2021 03:08 PM)UCbball21 Wrote:  I think UConn is the saddest story, they went from a BCS berth in the Big East to completely irrelevant FB independence now that they are back in the Catholic Big East. In another decade or so I could see them giving up on football entirely.
Cincinnati and USF are both worst than WVU as well.

Catholic Big East? Butler may disagree on that.

The Big East has only four football schools (1 FBS, 3 FCS) so it's not going to sponsor it. That doesn't mean UConn can't compete somewhere, however.


But if the Big 12 wants to swing for the fences, and given the indigestion in Pac-12 circles...go all-in on:

Arizona
Arizona St.
Colorado
and pick someone else from another conference TBA

Why on earth would any PAC-12 school want to leave for the Big 12 without Texas and OU? The PAC-12 is clearly a cut below the SEC & B1G but they have shared stability and history. As this years tournament showed its a very good basketball conference and the football will be fine once USC gets it's act together.

(07-23-2021 01:57 PM)usffan Wrote:  

USFFan

It looks like someone's about to get whacked!

(07-23-2021 08:01 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 07:55 AM)BCSvsBS Wrote:  No Conference will be going beyond 16 Teams. This can not be stated often enough.

Oh and just a reminder; The Big XII already owns the "Big XVI" name.

They’ll probably change their name to The Big 16 and expand up to 12 or 14…lol

That made me burst out laughing!

(07-23-2021 11:53 AM)Artifice Wrote:  Kansas is going to bounce to the B1G... Perhaps another lucky Big 12 team to balance them out? ...

How, by getting a hypnotist to hypnotize the 14 Big Ten Presidents into inviting them? Kansas doesn't drag value per school down very much, because of the benefit of Kansas basketball to the BTN, but it's not an increase, either.

(07-23-2021 02:23 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 11:53 AM)Artifice Wrote:  Kansas is going to bounce to the B1G... Perhaps another lucky Big 12 team to balance them out? ...

How, by getting a hypnotist to hypnotize the 14 Big Ten Presidents into inviting them? Kansas doesn't drag value per school down very much, because of the benefit of Kansas basketball to the BTN, but it's not an increase, either.

Sports success changes from year to year.

Kansas is the state flagship and an AAU member. That is the core of the B1G. They fit in every way. It would be foolish not to add them. It expands the very core foundation of the conference. That kind of fit is not available every day.

(07-23-2021 02:23 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 11:53 AM)Artifice Wrote:  Kansas is going to bounce to the B1G... Perhaps another lucky Big 12 team to balance them out? ...

How, by getting a hypnotist to hypnotize the 14 Big Ten Presidents into inviting them? Kansas doesn't drag value per school down very much, because of the benefit of Kansas basketball to the BTN, but it's not an increase, either.

If I'm Illinois or any other Big 10 member and Kansas drives down the Big 10's value per school by a penny, I'm hanging up the phone. At the minimum, they have to break even.

According to this report, the B12 is interested in these four schools if Texas and OU bolt, and could take two even if OU/UT stay put- Houston, UCF, Cincinnati, and BYU.

https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/sec-fo...nnati-byu/