(07-22-2021 07:50 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  UC deserves and has earned a seat at the Big Boy table this time.
Either Big12 or ACC.

If Cinci goes to the Big XII, they won't be at the big boy table.

ACC is possible as a partner to WVU, but I think it's unlikely.

Anyway, if UT and OU go to the SEC, at the power level I think that it's going to be:

UT & OU -> SEC
Kansas & ISU/Texas Tech -> PAC

Everyone else in the Big XII is screwed. Possibly Baylor -> Big East/Independent.

(07-22-2021 07:54 PM)OhioBoilermaker Wrote:  

(07-22-2021 07:50 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  UC deserves and has earned a seat at the Big Boy table this time.
Either Big12 or ACC.

If Cinci goes to the Big XII, they won't be at the big boy table.

ACC is possible as a partner to WVU, but I think it's unlikely.

Anyway, if UT and OU go to the SEC, at the power level I think that it's going to be:

UT & OU -> SEC
Kansas & ISU/Texas Tech -> PAC

Everyone else in the Big XII is screwed. Possibly Baylor -> Big East/Independent.

As of right now the Big12 is still the Big Boy Table even w/o UT and OU.
KU, ISU and TT to the Pac12 isn't even on the table. Might be but who knows?
I also read KU might be on the Big10 wishlist.

UC does not need WVU as a partner for the ACC. UofL has a long-standing rivalry with UC, shares a trophy with them and are separated by a mere 90 miles. Maybe Navy maybe ND not WVU.

For UTEP I would like this scenario to take place.

First, UTEP has a breakout year of sorts in FB. Dimels 4th season, depth and talent enough to win 7 or 8 and go bowling while getting a good portion of the fans back in the Sun Bowl. MBB has a good season as well under new coach Golding. One MWC school is invited to the Big 12 and UTEP finally gets the nod. Hey, it could happen!

(07-22-2021 08:00 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  As of right now the Big12 is still the Big Boy Table even w/o UT and OU.

I disagree. Definitely not w/o KU.

Edit: I mean, formally, sure, until 2025. But I don't think that the Big XII will maintain its cotton bowl tie-in it UT and OU leave and everything else stays the same.

(07-22-2021 08:00 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  KU, ISU and TT to the Pac12 isn't even on the table. Might be but who knows?

KU to the PAC is the obvious move. Last year, the PAC had games starting at 9 am. Moving into the central time zone is the way to mitigate that.

(07-22-2021 08:00 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  UC does not need WVU as a partner for the ACC. UofL has a long-standing rivalry with UC, shares a trophy with them and are separated by a mere 90 miles. Maybe Navy maybe ND not WVU.

Maybe? But power conference status isn't gained often. Only two schools did it in the last round of realignment, I believe (Utah and TCU). If ND goes to the ACC, I think WVU (the existing power school) would go with them. This fits the historical pattern better than ND and Cincinnati etc.

If BYU helps to restock the Big 12, my school, Denver, might have a shot at the taking the Cougars' spot in the WCC...Or not...

The MAC will probably stay the same as always lol.

(07-22-2021 08:47 PM)puck swami Wrote:  If BYU helps to restock the Big 12, my school, Denver, might have a shot at the taking the Cougars' spot in the WCC...Or not...

I’d have Denver in the WCC yesterday if I had any say lol

(07-22-2021 09:20 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  The MAC will probably stay the same as always lol.

Which would be pretty cool if we are down to a P4/G4 eight conference system.

(07-22-2021 09:20 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  The MAC will probably stay the same as always lol.

How about re-adding Temple and UMass? If the Big 12 adds Cincinnati, Temple is going to be even more out of place in the AAC. If I'm Temple, MAC men's basketball might not even be worse than the AAC if Cincinnati and Houston leave (if Memphis also leaves, the AAC will be a mid major, plain and simple) so I might even take an all in membership to the MAC just to get out of the sinking AAC ship. I don't know who the AAC will add if Cincinnati, Houston, and Memphis leave but the MAC sounds a lot more attractive the more teams leave the AAC. Bowling Green moves to the West and Bowling Green-Toledo finally becomes a divisional game. The MAC gets Northeastern coverage again.

USF ......... Big 12

No conference will go bigger than 16.

(07-23-2021 05:41 AM)schmolik Wrote:  

(07-22-2021 09:20 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  The MAC will probably stay the same as always lol.

How about re-adding Temple and UMass? If the Big 12 adds Cincinnati, Temple is going to be even more out of place in the AAC. If I'm Temple, MAC men's basketball might not even be worse than the AAC if Cincinnati and Houston leave (if Memphis also leaves, the AAC will be a mid major, plain and simple) so I might even take an all in membership to the MAC just to get out of the sinking AAC ship. I don't know who the AAC will add if Cincinnati, Houston, and Memphis leave but the MAC sounds a lot more attractive the more teams leave the AAC. Bowling Green moves to the West and Bowling Green-Toledo finally becomes a divisional game. The MAC gets Northeastern coverage again.

Temple and Marshall make more sense IMO because of travel.

But Temple/UMass would be good too.

I think it makes more sense for Marshall, Ohio, Buffalo, Temple to play each other in the MAC than to try and go somewhere else.

(07-23-2021 06:57 AM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 05:41 AM)schmolik Wrote:  

(07-22-2021 09:20 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  The MAC will probably stay the same as always lol.

How about re-adding Temple and UMass? If the Big 12 adds Cincinnati, Temple is going to be even more out of place in the AAC. If I'm Temple, MAC men's basketball might not even be worse than the AAC if Cincinnati and Houston leave (if Memphis also leaves, the AAC will be a mid major, plain and simple) so I might even take an all in membership to the MAC just to get out of the sinking AAC ship. I don't know who the AAC will add if Cincinnati, Houston, and Memphis leave but the MAC sounds a lot more attractive the more teams leave the AAC. Bowling Green moves to the West and Bowling Green-Toledo finally becomes a divisional game. The MAC gets Northeastern coverage again.

Temple and Marshall make more sense IMO because of travel.

But Temple/UMass would be good too.

I think it makes more sense for Marshall, Ohio, Buffalo, Temple to play each other in the MAC than to try and go somewhere else.

But Marshall is comfortable in C-USA (for now). Of course if the AAC goes hunting to replace teams after it gets raided by the Big 12 it certainly could be in the same situation as Temple could potentially be in.

(07-23-2021 07:01 AM)schmolik Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 06:57 AM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 05:41 AM)schmolik Wrote:  

(07-22-2021 09:20 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  The MAC will probably stay the same as always lol.

How about re-adding Temple and UMass? If the Big 12 adds Cincinnati, Temple is going to be even more out of place in the AAC. If I'm Temple, MAC men's basketball might not even be worse than the AAC if Cincinnati and Houston leave (if Memphis also leaves, the AAC will be a mid major, plain and simple) so I might even take an all in membership to the MAC just to get out of the sinking AAC ship. I don't know who the AAC will add if Cincinnati, Houston, and Memphis leave but the MAC sounds a lot more attractive the more teams leave the AAC. Bowling Green moves to the West and Bowling Green-Toledo finally becomes a divisional game. The MAC gets Northeastern coverage again.

Temple and Marshall make more sense IMO because of travel.

But Temple/UMass would be good too.

I think it makes more sense for Marshall, Ohio, Buffalo, Temple to play each other in the MAC than to try and go somewhere else.

But Marshall is comfortable in C-USA (for now). Of course if the AAC goes hunting to replace teams after it gets raided by the Big 12 it certainly could be in the same situation as Temple could potentially be in.

Marshall has started talking to the MAC again. The reason why they left the MAC because at the time they had a mid six figure coach while the rest of the MAC was paying 100k-150k for its football HC and the MAC only had 2 bowl games.

That isn't the case anymore as there are MAC coaches now over 1 million and the MAC has plenty of bowl games, including 2 against the MWC. MAC has a better TV deal than CUSA and of course is lower travel costs. They would definitely entertain rejoining.

The problem is more the MAC hasn't had a solid 14th addition. Temple if available would be a solid 14th addition.

If the Big 12 doesn't dissolve; The American.

If it does dissolve; C-USA.

(07-23-2021 05:41 AM)schmolik Wrote:  

(07-22-2021 09:20 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  The MAC will probably stay the same as always lol.

How about re-adding Temple and UMass? If the Big 12 adds Cincinnati, Temple is going to be even more out of place in the AAC. If I'm Temple, MAC men's basketball might not even be worse than the AAC if Cincinnati and Houston leave (if Memphis also leaves, the AAC will be a mid major, plain and simple) so I might even take an all in membership to the MAC just to get out of the sinking AAC ship. I don't know who the AAC will add if Cincinnati, Houston, and Memphis leave but the MAC sounds a lot more attractive the more teams leave the AAC. Bowling Green moves to the West and Bowling Green-Toledo finally becomes a divisional game. The MAC gets Northeastern coverage again.

Temple will stop sponsoring football before it joins the MAC.

(07-23-2021 07:37 AM)MUsince96 Wrote:  If the Big 12 doesn't dissolve; The American.

If it does dissolve; C-USA.

That’s the way I feel. If Aresco somehow holds the American together, Rice might have a puncher’s chance of getting to the Big 12-light in the slot that Houston turns down.

But if four or more AAC schools move to the Big 12, all bets are off on what happens in the G5. Hope that Rice is back with Tulane, SMU, and Tulsa in whatever that conference is called.

(07-23-2021 05:41 AM)schmolik Wrote:  

(07-22-2021 09:20 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  The MAC will probably stay the same as always lol.

How about re-adding Temple and UMass? If the Big 12 adds Cincinnati, Temple is going to be even more out of place in the AAC. If I'm Temple, MAC men's basketball might not even be worse than the AAC if Cincinnati and Houston leave (if Memphis also leaves, the AAC will be a mid major, plain and simple) so I might even take an all in membership to the MAC just to get out of the sinking AAC ship. I don't know who the AAC will add if Cincinnati, Houston, and Memphis leave but the MAC sounds a lot more attractive the more teams leave the AAC. Bowling Green moves to the West and Bowling Green-Toledo finally becomes a divisional game. The MAC gets Northeastern coverage again.

Temple and UMass already spurned a full MAC invite, I can't see either of them winding up here long term. And regardless, I think the MAC stays at 12 since any two schools that would realistically accept an invite wouldn't justify splitting our TV deal and CFP money another two ways.

I don't think this will produce as many changes as many of you think. There's no reason for the Big XII or any of the G5 conferences to go above 10 members. If the Big XII adds BYU and Cincinnati, then the Big XII and the AAC are at 10. I think Conference DOA will eventually breakup, but it won't be a result of this.

(07-23-2021 07:45 AM)LostInSpace Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 05:41 AM)schmolik Wrote:  

(07-22-2021 09:20 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  The MAC will probably stay the same as always lol.

How about re-adding Temple and UMass? If the Big 12 adds Cincinnati, Temple is going to be even more out of place in the AAC. If I'm Temple, MAC men's basketball might not even be worse than the AAC if Cincinnati and Houston leave (if Memphis also leaves, the AAC will be a mid major, plain and simple) so I might even take an all in membership to the MAC just to get out of the sinking AAC ship. I don't know who the AAC will add if Cincinnati, Houston, and Memphis leave but the MAC sounds a lot more attractive the more teams leave the AAC. Bowling Green moves to the West and Bowling Green-Toledo finally becomes a divisional game. The MAC gets Northeastern coverage again.

Temple will stop sponsoring football before it joins the MAC.

The MAC is a totally different type of a conference than it was 20 years ago.

Marshall paying 800k for their football coach is right in line with a MAC salary these days. Obviously they know they aren't capable of investing like Cincinnati and paying 4 million for a coach.

Its no different than playing in any other G4 conference today, with the exception that its significantly less travel.

A MAC with Marshall/Temple would renegotiate the MAC deal upwards which is due for renegotiation anyways in 4-5 years. If the AAC were to die the MAC could pick up some ABC appearances during the regular season to fill the gap.

But the AAC would have to get nuked first, lose 5-6 to make it unviable.

(07-23-2021 08:14 AM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 07:45 AM)LostInSpace Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 05:41 AM)schmolik Wrote:  

(07-22-2021 09:20 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  The MAC will probably stay the same as always lol.

How about re-adding Temple and UMass? If the Big 12 adds Cincinnati, Temple is going to be even more out of place in the AAC. If I'm Temple, MAC men's basketball might not even be worse than the AAC if Cincinnati and Houston leave (if Memphis also leaves, the AAC will be a mid major, plain and simple) so I might even take an all in membership to the MAC just to get out of the sinking AAC ship. I don't know who the AAC will add if Cincinnati, Houston, and Memphis leave but the MAC sounds a lot more attractive the more teams leave the AAC. Bowling Green moves to the West and Bowling Green-Toledo finally becomes a divisional game. The MAC gets Northeastern coverage again.

Temple will stop sponsoring football before it joins the MAC.

The MAC is a totally different type of a conference than it was 20 years ago.

Marshall paying 800k for their football coach is right in line with a MAC salary these days. Obviously they know they aren't capable of investing like Cincinnati and paying 4 million for a coach.

Its no different than playing in any other G4 conference today, with the exception that its significantly less travel.

A MAC with Marshall/Temple would renegotiate the MAC deal upwards which is due for renegotiation anyways in 4-5 years. If the AAC were to die the MAC could pick up some ABC appearances during the regular season to fill the gap.

But the AAC would have to get nuked first, lose 5-6 to make it unviable.

Your Temple joining the MAC fantasy is never happening. They’ll drop football and rejoin the A10 before they spend a hot second thinking about joining the MAC.