(07-23-2021 08:19 AM)LostInSpace Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 08:14 AM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 07:45 AM)LostInSpace Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 05:41 AM)schmolik Wrote:  

(07-22-2021 09:20 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  The MAC will probably stay the same as always lol.

How about re-adding Temple and UMass? If the Big 12 adds Cincinnati, Temple is going to be even more out of place in the AAC. If I'm Temple, MAC men's basketball might not even be worse than the AAC if Cincinnati and Houston leave (if Memphis also leaves, the AAC will be a mid major, plain and simple) so I might even take an all in membership to the MAC just to get out of the sinking AAC ship. I don't know who the AAC will add if Cincinnati, Houston, and Memphis leave but the MAC sounds a lot more attractive the more teams leave the AAC. Bowling Green moves to the West and Bowling Green-Toledo finally becomes a divisional game. The MAC gets Northeastern coverage again.

Temple will stop sponsoring football before it joins the MAC.

The MAC is a totally different type of a conference than it was 20 years ago.

Marshall paying 800k for their football coach is right in line with a MAC salary these days. Obviously they know they aren't capable of investing like Cincinnati and paying 4 million for a coach.

Its no different than playing in any other G4 conference today, with the exception that its significantly less travel.

A MAC with Marshall/Temple would renegotiate the MAC deal upwards which is due for renegotiation anyways in 4-5 years. If the AAC were to die the MAC could pick up some ABC appearances during the regular season to fill the gap.

But the AAC would have to get nuked first, lose 5-6 to make it unviable.

Your Temple joining the MAC fantasy is never happening. They’ll drop football and rejoin the A10 before they spend a hot second thinking about joining the MAC.

They had the option to drop FB back in 2005 and they instead joined the MAC.

If there is no AAC or an AAC that is going to be a reincarnation of the Southwest conference at the G5 level I think they would consider the MAC.

(07-23-2021 08:26 AM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 08:19 AM)LostInSpace Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 08:14 AM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 07:45 AM)LostInSpace Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 05:41 AM)schmolik Wrote:  How about re-adding Temple and UMass? If the Big 12 adds Cincinnati, Temple is going to be even more out of place in the AAC. If I'm Temple, MAC men's basketball might not even be worse than the AAC if Cincinnati and Houston leave (if Memphis also leaves, the AAC will be a mid major, plain and simple) so I might even take an all in membership to the MAC just to get out of the sinking AAC ship. I don't know who the AAC will add if Cincinnati, Houston, and Memphis leave but the MAC sounds a lot more attractive the more teams leave the AAC. Bowling Green moves to the West and Bowling Green-Toledo finally becomes a divisional game. The MAC gets Northeastern coverage again.

The MAC is a totally different type of a conference than it was 20 years ago.

Marshall paying 800k for their football coach is right in line with a MAC salary these days. Obviously they know they aren't capable of investing like Cincinnati and paying 4 million for a coach.

Its no different than playing in any other G4 conference today, with the exception that its significantly less travel.

A MAC with Marshall/Temple would renegotiate the MAC deal upwards which is due for renegotiation anyways in 4-5 years. If the AAC were to die the MAC could pick up some ABC appearances during the regular season to fill the gap.

But the AAC would have to get nuked first, lose 5-6 to make it unviable.

Your Temple joining the MAC fantasy is never happening. They’ll drop football and rejoin the A10 before they spend a hot second thinking about joining the MAC.

They had the option to drop FB back in 2005 and they instead joined the MAC.

If there is no AAC or an AAC that is going to be a reincarnation of the Southwest conference at the G5 level I think they would consider the MAC.

Joining a one-bid conference that generates no revenue and is almost entirely outside bus travel makes no sense. This isn’t complicated to figure out.

(07-23-2021 09:06 AM)LostInSpace Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 08:26 AM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 08:19 AM)LostInSpace Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 08:14 AM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 07:45 AM)LostInSpace Wrote:  

The MAC is a totally different type of a conference than it was 20 years ago.

Marshall paying 800k for their football coach is right in line with a MAC salary these days. Obviously they know they aren't capable of investing like Cincinnati and paying 4 million for a coach.

Its no different than playing in any other G4 conference today, with the exception that its significantly less travel.

A MAC with Marshall/Temple would renegotiate the MAC deal upwards which is due for renegotiation anyways in 4-5 years. If the AAC were to die the MAC could pick up some ABC appearances during the regular season to fill the gap.

But the AAC would have to get nuked first, lose 5-6 to make it unviable.

Your Temple joining the MAC fantasy is never happening. They’ll drop football and rejoin the A10 before they spend a hot second thinking about joining the MAC.

They had the option to drop FB back in 2005 and they instead joined the MAC.

If there is no AAC or an AAC that is going to be a reincarnation of the Southwest conference at the G5 level I think they would consider the MAC.

Joining a one-bid conference that generates no revenue and is almost entirely outside bus travel makes no sense. This isn’t complicated to figure out.

OK

(07-23-2021 09:21 AM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 09:06 AM)LostInSpace Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 08:26 AM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 08:19 AM)LostInSpace Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 08:14 AM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  The MAC is a totally different type of a conference than it was 20 years ago.

Marshall paying 800k for their football coach is right in line with a MAC salary these days. Obviously they know they aren't capable of investing like Cincinnati and paying 4 million for a coach.

Its no different than playing in any other G4 conference today, with the exception that its significantly less travel.

A MAC with Marshall/Temple would renegotiate the MAC deal upwards which is due for renegotiation anyways in 4-5 years. If the AAC were to die the MAC could pick up some ABC appearances during the regular season to fill the gap.

But the AAC would have to get nuked first, lose 5-6 to make it unviable.

Your Temple joining the MAC fantasy is never happening. They’ll drop football and rejoin the A10 before they spend a hot second thinking about joining the MAC.

They had the option to drop FB back in 2005 and they instead joined the MAC.

If there is no AAC or an AAC that is going to be a reincarnation of the Southwest conference at the G5 level I think they would consider the MAC.

Joining a one-bid conference that generates no revenue and is almost entirely outside bus travel makes no sense. This isn’t complicated to figure out.

OK

Temple would go independent in football and try to get back into the A10 before doing an all sports invite to the MAC.


That statement is probably much more accurate than "drop football"

(07-23-2021 01:45 PM)e-parade Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 09:21 AM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 09:06 AM)LostInSpace Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 08:26 AM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 08:19 AM)LostInSpace Wrote:  Your Temple joining the MAC fantasy is never happening. They’ll drop football and rejoin the A10 before they spend a hot second thinking about joining the MAC.

They had the option to drop FB back in 2005 and they instead joined the MAC.

If there is no AAC or an AAC that is going to be a reincarnation of the Southwest conference at the G5 level I think they would consider the MAC.

Joining a one-bid conference that generates no revenue and is almost entirely outside bus travel makes no sense. This isn’t complicated to figure out.

OK

Temple would go independent in football and try to get back into the A10 before doing an all sports invite to the MAC.


That statement is probably much more accurate than "drop football"

Exactly. While not a great option it’s far better than joining the MAC. The A10 would take Temple back in a heartbeat. Temple, unlike most AAC left behinds, would have an acceptable option for leaving the conference.

Best case scenario for App State:

- An AAC that has lost at least Houston, Cincinnati, UCF, USF, and SMU. Plus probably Navy football, and with at least Marshall, UAB, and Ga. Southern added.

Worst case scenario:

- A Sun Belt that has lost Ga. Southern, Ga. State, Troy, Coastal, Louisiana, and Arkansas State and added a bunch of FCS callups

SEC. Georgia, South Carolina, and Mississippi State are there.

Beyond having an appreciable broadcasting deal, the biggest challenge with independent football is scheduling desirable late season opponents.

(07-23-2021 07:37 AM)MUsince96 Wrote:  If the Big 12 doesn't dissolve; The American.

If it does dissolve; C-USA.

Pretty much.

(07-23-2021 01:55 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  Best case scenario for App State:

- An AAC that has lost at least Houston, Cincinnati, UCF, USF, and SMU. Plus probably Navy football, and with at least Marshall, UAB, and Ga. Southern added.

Worst case scenario:

- A Sun Belt that has lost Ga. Southern, Ga. State, Troy, Coastal, Louisiana, and Arkansas State and added a bunch of FCS callups

App will either end up in cusa or stay in sun belt. Depends whether they think being in a conference with Marshall and Charlotte is worth the change.

Best case for charlotte is staying in cusa. So is worst case. I don’t see us drawing any attention.

(07-23-2021 01:52 PM)LostInSpace Wrote:  The A10 would take Temple back in a heartbeat. Temple, unlike most AAC left behinds, would have an acceptable option for leaving the conference.

How many more adds take place before the A-10 (now at 14) starts to tear at the seams?

Not sure which conference but I do believe we will be playing in a division with a totally different group. Could see the lower level FBS and top level FCS becoming one. Only a few of the teams in FCS could be considered top level or have the desire to be with this group.

(07-23-2021 09:06 AM)LostInSpace Wrote:  Joining a one-bid conference that generates no revenue and is almost entirely outside bus travel makes no sense. This isn’t complicated to figure out.

As opposed to staying in a depleted AAC which is also a one-bid conference for which most if not all teams are further away (assuming Cincinnati leaves)? At least every team in the MAC is East of the Mississippi and North of the Ohio River.

(07-23-2021 05:28 PM)schmolik Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 09:06 AM)LostInSpace Wrote:  Joining a one-bid conference that generates no revenue and is almost entirely outside bus travel makes no sense. This isn’t complicated to figure out.

As opposed to staying in a depleted AAC which is also a one-bid conference for which most if not all teams are further away (assuming Cincinnati leaves)? At least every team in the MAC is East of the Mississippi and North of the Ohio River.

Temple’s choices are: Stay in AAC, Independent / A10, Drop football / A10

That’s it. Temple neither recruits students nor has many alumni in the MAC footprint. They do in within parts of the AAC, Florida especially.

ACC?

I kid, I kid!

….maybe

(07-23-2021 05:43 PM)LostInSpace Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 05:28 PM)schmolik Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 09:06 AM)LostInSpace Wrote:  Joining a one-bid conference that generates no revenue and is almost entirely outside bus travel makes no sense. This isn’t complicated to figure out.

As opposed to staying in a depleted AAC which is also a one-bid conference for which most if not all teams are further away (assuming Cincinnati leaves)? At least every team in the MAC is East of the Mississippi and North of the Ohio River.

Temple’s choices are: Stay in AAC, Independent / A10, Drop football / A10

That’s it. Temple neither recruits students nor has many alumni in the MAC footprint. They do in within parts of the AAC, Florida especially.

And what if UCF and USF are taken by the Big 12 and the Big 12 has no interest in Temple? Why would Temple want to stay in the AAC then?

(07-23-2021 05:28 PM)schmolik Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 09:06 AM)LostInSpace Wrote:  Joining a one-bid conference that generates no revenue and is almost entirely outside bus travel makes no sense. This isn’t complicated to figure out.

As opposed to staying in a depleted AAC which is also a one-bid conference for which most if not all teams are further away (assuming Cincinnati leaves)? At least every team in the MAC is East of the Mississippi and North of the Ohio River.

Exactly.

(07-23-2021 06:48 PM)schmolik Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 05:43 PM)LostInSpace Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 05:28 PM)schmolik Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 09:06 AM)LostInSpace Wrote:  Joining a one-bid conference that generates no revenue and is almost entirely outside bus travel makes no sense. This isn’t complicated to figure out.

As opposed to staying in a depleted AAC which is also a one-bid conference for which most if not all teams are further away (assuming Cincinnati leaves)? At least every team in the MAC is East of the Mississippi and North of the Ohio River.

Temple’s choices are: Stay in AAC, Independent / A10, Drop football / A10

That’s it. Temple neither recruits students nor has many alumni in the MAC footprint. They do in within parts of the AAC, Florida especially.

And what if UCF and USF are taken by the Big 12 and the Big 12 has no interest in Temple? Why would Temple want to stay in the AAC then?

It depends on how many teams leave and who the replacements are. Temple could find themselves having to make a decision similar to UCONN’s with the A10 not being equivalent to the BE of course. The MAC saves them little money on travel, it’s a terrible institutional fit and a weak basketball conference.

(07-23-2021 07:59 AM)ESE84 Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 07:37 AM)MUsince96 Wrote:  If the Big 12 doesn't dissolve; The American.

If it does dissolve; C-USA.

That’s the way I feel. If Aresco somehow holds the American together, Rice might have a puncher’s chance of getting to the Big 12-light in the slot that Houston turns down.

But if four or more AAC schools move to the Big 12, all bets are off on what happens in the G5. Hope that Rice is back with Tulane, SMU, and Tulsa in whatever that conference is called.

Same with odu

(07-23-2021 07:12 PM)LostInSpace Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 06:48 PM)schmolik Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 05:43 PM)LostInSpace Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 05:28 PM)schmolik Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 09:06 AM)LostInSpace Wrote:  Joining a one-bid conference that generates no revenue and is almost entirely outside bus travel makes no sense. This isn’t complicated to figure out.

As opposed to staying in a depleted AAC which is also a one-bid conference for which most if not all teams are further away (assuming Cincinnati leaves)? At least every team in the MAC is East of the Mississippi and North of the Ohio River.

Temple’s choices are: Stay in AAC, Independent / A10, Drop football / A10

That’s it. Temple neither recruits students nor has many alumni in the MAC footprint. They do in within parts of the AAC, Florida especially.

And what if UCF and USF are taken by the Big 12 and the Big 12 has no interest in Temple? Why would Temple want to stay in the AAC then?

It depends on how many teams leave and who the replacements are. Temple could find themselves having to make a decision similar to UCONN’s with the A10 not being equivalent to the BE of course. The MAC saves them little money on travel, it’s a terrible institutional fit and a weak basketball conference.

How is it a terrible institutional fit? There are urban schools in the MAC.