(06-23-2021 11:20 AM)PicksUp Wrote:  

(06-23-2021 09:08 AM)ccd494 Wrote:  50% of schools in the FBS will wake up on the first day of the next season with a zero percent chance of going to the playoff and winning a national title despite their fervent desire to do so, and its the FCS that is a mess because three of thirteen conferences are all set with participating in the playoffs?

North Dakota St has won 8 of the last 10 titles. Lots or parity.

Which is why there is greater than a zero percent chance of winning the national title ... all it would take would be one bad batch of potato salad at the NDSU training table before one of the early round games and the field is wide open.

(06-24-2021 10:53 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(06-23-2021 11:44 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  

(06-23-2021 11:36 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(06-23-2021 08:49 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  FCS is a combo of DI through DIII. When you have three conferences (Ivy, SWAC, MEAC) that don't send their champ to the playoffs, four conferences (Pioneer, NEC, Patriot, Ivy) with less than the full amount of scholarships, and a second championship inside the division you can expect a hot mess.

Almost 1/3 or so of the I-aa/FCS champions since its beginning have moved to FBS. Those dozen or so schools who actually have the ability to win a championship don't seem to care the playing field has reduced to redheaded step children.


Edit: However I still watch. Because football.

No - FCS is still DI. And it isn't a mess. And FCS produces a True National Championship - something App St will never play for again.

Simmer Donna.

FCS is DI but has active elements of DII (Patriot/NEC) and DIII (Ivy and Pioneer). There's two championships being played for by leagues classified as FCS. Hot. Mess.


App State fans wouldn't have the school move back to that classification for any reason. I was in the stands for the first bowl win and it was more exciting than my time in Chattanooga at both the 2nd or the 3rd FCS championship.

Almost anyone that was anything 25 years ago, is no longer IAA. App State, GA Southern, Troy, MT, WKU, Boise State, Marshall and even ULM. Just in those 8 schools accounts for 14 IAA National Titles with GA Southern (6), App State (3), Marshall (2), WKU (1), Boise State (1) and ULM (1). I guess if you want to you could add UMass and add another IAA title as they won the 1998 National Title.

There is no parity at the top of IAA like there was from the mid 80s to the mid 90s. As we speak there is probably only 4-6 programs that could legitimately contend and win a national championship.

IAA is a jumbled mess with those that fully fund their program like North Dakota State and JMU to those who only have football to stay in the conference because its required ie. VMI and Central Conn. State.

Then you have the Ivy, Pioneer, SWAC and MEAC that like to play by their own rules.

But the thing is there is probably less that 5 schools that could actually be IA and do it the right way.

And for those who claim Marshall will never see a national championship. Thats fine, esp if I get to watch my Thundering Herd compete with like minded schools and occasionally play one of the so called elite programs. In the next few years Marshall has H/H with ECU, App State, Navy, VA Tech and games against Notre Dame and Penn State.

I think this gets lost among FCS defenders. I'd rather us play schools that get our fanbase fired up on actual tv than maybe have a shot at a natty that most people don't know exists.

(06-25-2021 10:05 AM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  I think this gets lost among FCS defenders. I'd rather us play schools that get our fanbase fired up on actual tv than maybe have a shot at a natty that most people don't know exists.

There are only so many spots on TV each week. You add 50 schools to FBS and there aren't magically going to be 25 more live games broadcast on actual television unless you are willing to turn yourself into the MAC and play at 3:30 am on Tuesdays.

I'm also less concerned about the FCS playoffs or winning a title- Maine plays football to keep alumni engaged with the school by coming to campus on a pleasant fall day. It brings in some students from outside the state, and occasionally gets the name out there. Getting 8,000 butts in seats is a good turnout.

I don't know why we need to aspire to compete against Alabama or Penn State. I want to play our peers, who are similarly sized, similarly resourced teams from Maine to Virginia. Changing the label from FBS to FCS doesn't do anything for that.

My comments earlier about FBS being the screwed up division were more about the FBS being in a large glass house. Sure, 3 FCS conferences decline to play in the playoffs. 5 of the 10 FBS conferences aren't even given the option to decline, they are explicitly excluded before the ball is snapped. Clean up your own house and leave us alone.

(06-25-2021 10:05 AM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  I think this gets lost among FCS defenders. I'd rather us play schools that get our fanbase fired up on actual tv than maybe have a shot at a natty that most people don't know exists.

There are also other national championships out there. Some of us are decent in olympic sports. Marshall just won a national title last month in men's soccer. Something Alabama, LSU, Florida or Georgia will never do because they don't even sponsor the sport.

(06-25-2021 10:35 AM)ccd494 Wrote:  

(06-25-2021 10:05 AM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  I think this gets lost among FCS defenders. I'd rather us play schools that get our fanbase fired up on actual tv than maybe have a shot at a natty that most people don't know exists.

There are only so many spots on TV each week. You add 50 schools to FBS and there aren't magically going to be 25 more live games broadcast on actual television unless you are willing to turn yourself into the MAC and play at 3:30 am on Tuesdays.

I'm also less concerned about the FCS playoffs or winning a title- Maine plays football to keep alumni engaged with the school by coming to campus on a pleasant fall day. It brings in some students from outside the state, and occasionally gets the name out there. Getting 8,000 butts in seats is a good turnout.

I don't know why we need to aspire to compete against Alabama or Penn State. I want to play our peers, who are similarly sized, similarly resourced teams from Maine to Virginia. Changing the label from FBS to FCS doesn't do anything for that.

My comments earlier about FBS being the screwed up division were more about the FBS being in a large glass house. Sure, 3 FCS conferences decline to play in the playoffs. 5 of the 10 FBS conferences aren't even given the option to decline, they are explicitly excluded before the ball is snapped. Clean up your own house and leave us alone.

IMO, you can play similarly resourced teams while still being in the same division as the big boys. It happens in the other sports without issue thanks to conference play.

Being in FCS places an artificial cap on potential. If you have a once it a lifetime season, you don't have a chance to see how you would fair against the top tier.

If a magic wand was waived and FBS and FCS were merged tomorrow, nothing much would change for Maine. They would still be in the CAA playing 8 to 10 games against schools of similar stature and 1 to 2 buy games to help pay the bills.

In FBS a bowl game could be set up between the champions of the CAA and lets say SoCon. That would draw interest of the fanbase and TV similarly to the Celebration Bowl has between the SWAC and MEAC.

I guess to me winning the FCS championship is pretty much the same as winning a mid level bowl game as the best comparison to the FCS championship game is an mid level FBS bowl game. Instead of getting a trophy that says champion from a made up bowl with a funny sponsor, you get a trophy that says NCAA champion. Neither one means you are the best team in football, so to me personally it would mean about the same.

UPDATE: To me FCS would be awesome if there was a system of promotion and relegation like in European soccer. Since that is NEVER going to happen, if I am a university, I would want to do everything in my power to play in the premier division in a conference of my peers. Regardless of the national title picture, winning the Sunbelt or MAC is going to be perceived as a bigger accomplishment than winning the CAA or MVFC if nothing else because of the FBS/FCS label. Rightly or wrongly D1AA is perceived as less than D1 and more akin to D2

(06-25-2021 10:35 AM)ccd494 Wrote:  

(06-25-2021 10:05 AM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  I think this gets lost among FCS defenders. I'd rather us play schools that get our fanbase fired up on actual tv than maybe have a shot at a natty that most people don't know exists.

There are only so many spots on TV each week. You add 50 schools to FBS and there aren't magically going to be 25 more live games broadcast on actual television unless you are willing to turn yourself into the MAC and play at 3:30 am on Tuesdays.

I'm also less concerned about the FCS playoffs or winning a title- Maine plays football to keep alumni engaged with the school by coming to campus on a pleasant fall day. It brings in some students from outside the state, and occasionally gets the name out there. Getting 8,000 butts in seats is a good turnout.

I don't know why we need to aspire to compete against Alabama or Penn State. I want to play our peers, who are similarly sized, similarly resourced teams from Maine to Virginia. Changing the label from FBS to FCS doesn't do anything for that.

My comments earlier about FBS being the screwed up division were more about the FBS being in a large glass house. Sure, 3 FCS conferences decline to play in the playoffs. 5 of the 10 FBS conferences aren't even given the option to decline, they are explicitly excluded before the ball is snapped. Clean up your own house and leave us alone.

It's only a matter of time before the A5 kicks the FCS out of basketball as well. No more Maine playing March Madness with Georgia for good!!!! Yay!!

(06-25-2021 11:23 AM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(06-25-2021 10:05 AM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  I think this gets lost among FCS defenders. I'd rather us play schools that get our fanbase fired up on actual tv than maybe have a shot at a natty that most people don't know exists.

There are also other national championships out there. Some of us are decent in olympic sports. Marshall just won a national title last month in men's soccer. Something Alabama, LSU, Florida or Georgia will never do because they don't even sponsor the sport.

And FCS Northern Arizona has won four of the last five Championships in the Men's sport that is most widely sponsored (after basketball).

(06-25-2021 11:52 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(06-25-2021 10:35 AM)ccd494 Wrote:  

(06-25-2021 10:05 AM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  I think this gets lost among FCS defenders. I'd rather us play schools that get our fanbase fired up on actual tv than maybe have a shot at a natty that most people don't know exists.

There are only so many spots on TV each week. You add 50 schools to FBS and there aren't magically going to be 25 more live games broadcast on actual television unless you are willing to turn yourself into the MAC and play at 3:30 am on Tuesdays.

I'm also less concerned about the FCS playoffs or winning a title- Maine plays football to keep alumni engaged with the school by coming to campus on a pleasant fall day. It brings in some students from outside the state, and occasionally gets the name out there. Getting 8,000 butts in seats is a good turnout.

I don't know why we need to aspire to compete against Alabama or Penn State. I want to play our peers, who are similarly sized, similarly resourced teams from Maine to Virginia. Changing the label from FBS to FCS doesn't do anything for that.

My comments earlier about FBS being the screwed up division were more about the FBS being in a large glass house. Sure, 3 FCS conferences decline to play in the playoffs. 5 of the 10 FBS conferences aren't even given the option to decline, they are explicitly excluded before the ball is snapped. Clean up your own house and leave us alone.

It's only a matter of time before the A5 kicks the FCS out of basketball as well. No more Maine playing March Madness with Georgia for good!!!! Yay!!

LOL - so they are going to kick out Villanova, Georgetown, Gonzaga, Dayton, etc?

Good luck with that.

Division I football could be three-tiered and basketball could be two-tiered.

Be: that makes TOO MUCH SENSE!

(06-25-2021 12:11 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(06-25-2021 11:52 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(06-25-2021 10:35 AM)ccd494 Wrote:  

(06-25-2021 10:05 AM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  I think this gets lost among FCS defenders. I'd rather us play schools that get our fanbase fired up on actual tv than maybe have a shot at a natty that most people don't know exists.

There are only so many spots on TV each week. You add 50 schools to FBS and there aren't magically going to be 25 more live games broadcast on actual television unless you are willing to turn yourself into the MAC and play at 3:30 am on Tuesdays.

I'm also less concerned about the FCS playoffs or winning a title- Maine plays football to keep alumni engaged with the school by coming to campus on a pleasant fall day. It brings in some students from outside the state, and occasionally gets the name out there. Getting 8,000 butts in seats is a good turnout.

I don't know why we need to aspire to compete against Alabama or Penn State. I want to play our peers, who are similarly sized, similarly resourced teams from Maine to Virginia. Changing the label from FBS to FCS doesn't do anything for that.

My comments earlier about FBS being the screwed up division were more about the FBS being in a large glass house. Sure, 3 FCS conferences decline to play in the playoffs. 5 of the 10 FBS conferences aren't even given the option to decline, they are explicitly excluded before the ball is snapped. Clean up your own house and leave us alone.

It's only a matter of time before the A5 kicks the FCS out of basketball as well. No more Maine playing March Madness with Georgia for good!!!! Yay!!

LOL - so they are going to kick out Villanova, Georgetown, Gonzaga, Dayton, etc?

Good luck with that.

No, the Big East, the WCC, and the A10 wouldn't be kicked out of basketball, but conferences like the Summit (NDSU), OVC (Austin Peay), and the America East (Maine) would.

I don't mind FCS and how it is. It's hurting no one that San Diego is playing non scholarship football. The other FCS conferences wouldn't mind as it's a easy first round win. As for kicking out basketball conferences from D1 is completely stupid. Most of the low tier 1 conference teams are there to make the better conferences more money by being fodder for non conference or the first round of the NCAA tournament. While it's true Villanova Vs Memphis is a better first round matchup both teams rather play Prairie View A&M in the first round to pick up what should be a extra unit for the basketball payout.

(06-24-2021 11:31 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(06-24-2021 11:24 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(06-24-2021 06:55 AM)solohawks Wrote:  

(06-24-2021 06:41 AM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  

(06-23-2021 11:34 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  Why?

FCS is great for the schools that are DI but still want football and aren't trying to pretend they compete with Alabama.

G5 arent pretend to compete with Alabama, maybe a few uninformed fans but not the administration.

That's my take as well.

Just like mid majors in basketball know that night in and out they could not compete with College Basketball bluebloods, they would fight tooth and nail to be given their own playoff and segregated from those same bloodbloods permanently.

Being able to brand yourself at the top level is important

So you want to brand yourself at the top level while knowing you aren't the top level...

That's basically what almost all G5 schools that spend $25 million in student fees and academic - side transfers each year are doing. The ego-desire by boosters and the career-desires of the admins drive this spending - of largely other people's money, of course.

That's the only justification. A Michigan directional wants to think of themselves, and wants constituencies to think of them, as being in "the same league" with Michigan, Ohio State, etc. They pay for the charade.

Very expensive way to advertise, IMO.

It's more expensive not to.

Does the University of Phoenix say that their academic degrees aren't as good as Harvard? Of course not.

Going D3 is an admission that you're not in the same field athletically, which bleeds over to perceptions of academics.

A lot of students (and parents) have no idea that there's a hierarchy in academia. They've heard of Kentucky because they're on TV, and when their kid says that Northern Kentucky moved up to compete in D1 against Kentucky and that NKU has a law school ranked in the top 200 in the country, they think it means that an NKU degree is just as good as UK (which of course means that it's probably as good as that Duke school that can play pretty well against Kentucky in basketball, and way better than no-name schools like NYU or Emory). It doesn't occur to them that there's only 206 law schools in the country and NKU might be bottom-of-the-barrel.

(for the record, an in-law of mine who has a great job at a Fortune 500 make almost that exact argument to me about NKU)



Branding has a huge impact. I've even heard a parent without a college degree say that Ivy Tech (a community college in Indiana) is an Ivy League school and therefore her son is getting almost as good of an education as they teach at Harvard.

(06-25-2021 01:36 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(06-25-2021 12:11 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(06-25-2021 11:52 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(06-25-2021 10:35 AM)ccd494 Wrote:  

(06-25-2021 10:05 AM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  I think this gets lost among FCS defenders. I'd rather us play schools that get our fanbase fired up on actual tv than maybe have a shot at a natty that most people don't know exists.

There are only so many spots on TV each week. You add 50 schools to FBS and there aren't magically going to be 25 more live games broadcast on actual television unless you are willing to turn yourself into the MAC and play at 3:30 am on Tuesdays.

I'm also less concerned about the FCS playoffs or winning a title- Maine plays football to keep alumni engaged with the school by coming to campus on a pleasant fall day. It brings in some students from outside the state, and occasionally gets the name out there. Getting 8,000 butts in seats is a good turnout.

I don't know why we need to aspire to compete against Alabama or Penn State. I want to play our peers, who are similarly sized, similarly resourced teams from Maine to Virginia. Changing the label from FBS to FCS doesn't do anything for that.

My comments earlier about FBS being the screwed up division were more about the FBS being in a large glass house. Sure, 3 FCS conferences decline to play in the playoffs. 5 of the 10 FBS conferences aren't even given the option to decline, they are explicitly excluded before the ball is snapped. Clean up your own house and leave us alone.

It's only a matter of time before the A5 kicks the FCS out of basketball as well. No more Maine playing March Madness with Georgia for good!!!! Yay!!

LOL - so they are going to kick out Villanova, Georgetown, Gonzaga, Dayton, etc?

Good luck with that.

No, the Big East, the WCC, and the A10 wouldn't be kicked out of basketball, but conferences like the Summit (NDSU), OVC (Austin Peay), and the America East (Maine) would.

Have fun trying to kick out leagues with a lot of state flagship universitys (AE, Big Sky, Summit).

Won't end well.

(06-25-2021 02:24 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(06-24-2021 11:31 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(06-24-2021 11:24 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(06-24-2021 06:55 AM)solohawks Wrote:  

(06-24-2021 06:41 AM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  G5 arent pretend to compete with Alabama, maybe a few uninformed fans but not the administration.

That's my take as well.

Just like mid majors in basketball know that night in and out they could not compete with College Basketball bluebloods, they would fight tooth and nail to be given their own playoff and segregated from those same bloodbloods permanently.

Being able to brand yourself at the top level is important

So you want to brand yourself at the top level while knowing you aren't the top level...

That's basically what almost all G5 schools that spend $25 million in student fees and academic - side transfers each year are doing. The ego-desire by boosters and the career-desires of the admins drive this spending - of largely other people's money, of course.

That's the only justification. A Michigan directional wants to think of themselves, and wants constituencies to think of them, as being in "the same league" with Michigan, Ohio State, etc. They pay for the charade.

Very expensive way to advertise, IMO.

It's more expensive not to.

Does the University of Phoenix say that their academic degrees aren't as good as Harvard? Of course not.

Going D3 is an admission that you're not in the same field athletically, which bleeds over to perceptions of academics.

A lot of students (and parents) have no idea that there's a hierarchy in academia. They've heard of Kentucky because they're on TV, and when their kid says that Northern Kentucky moved up to compete in D1 against Kentucky and that NKU has a law school ranked in the top 200 in the country, they think it means that an NKU degree is just as good as UK (which of course means that it's probably as good as that Duke school that can play pretty well against Kentucky in basketball, and way better than no-name schools like NYU or Emory). It doesn't occur to them that there's only 206 law schools in the country and NKU might be bottom-of-the-barrel.

(for the record, an in-law of mine who has a great job at a Fortune 500 make almost that exact argument to me about NKU)



Branding has a huge impact. I've even heard a parent without a college degree say that Ivy Tech (a community college in Indiana) is an Ivy League school and therefore her son is getting almost as good of an education as they teach at Harvard.

LOL - some of the best academic schools in the country are D3

(06-25-2021 03:13 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(06-25-2021 02:24 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(06-24-2021 11:31 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(06-24-2021 11:24 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(06-24-2021 06:55 AM)solohawks Wrote:  That's my take as well.

Just like mid majors in basketball know that night in and out they could not compete with College Basketball bluebloods, they would fight tooth and nail to be given their own playoff and segregated from those same bloodbloods permanently.

Being able to brand yourself at the top level is important

So you want to brand yourself at the top level while knowing you aren't the top level...

That's basically what almost all G5 schools that spend $25 million in student fees and academic - side transfers each year are doing. The ego-desire by boosters and the career-desires of the admins drive this spending - of largely other people's money, of course.

That's the only justification. A Michigan directional wants to think of themselves, and wants constituencies to think of them, as being in "the same league" with Michigan, Ohio State, etc. They pay for the charade.

Very expensive way to advertise, IMO.

It's more expensive not to.

Does the University of Phoenix say that their academic degrees aren't as good as Harvard? Of course not.

Going D3 is an admission that you're not in the same field athletically, which bleeds over to perceptions of academics.

A lot of students (and parents) have no idea that there's a hierarchy in academia. They've heard of Kentucky because they're on TV, and when their kid says that Northern Kentucky moved up to compete in D1 against Kentucky and that NKU has a law school ranked in the top 200 in the country, they think it means that an NKU degree is just as good as UK (which of course means that it's probably as good as that Duke school that can play pretty well against Kentucky in basketball, and way better than no-name schools like NYU or Emory). It doesn't occur to them that there's only 206 law schools in the country and NKU might be bottom-of-the-barrel.

(for the record, an in-law of mine who has a great job at a Fortune 500 make almost that exact argument to me about NKU)



Branding has a huge impact. I've even heard a parent without a college degree say that Ivy Tech (a community college in Indiana) is an Ivy League school and therefore her son is getting almost as good of an education as they teach at Harvard.

LOL - some of the best academic schools in the country are D3

Yep

Hasnt hurt elite schools like the University of Chicago and NYU

(06-25-2021 03:11 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(06-25-2021 01:36 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(06-25-2021 12:11 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(06-25-2021 11:52 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(06-25-2021 10:35 AM)ccd494 Wrote:  There are only so many spots on TV each week. You add 50 schools to FBS and there aren't magically going to be 25 more live games broadcast on actual television unless you are willing to turn yourself into the MAC and play at 3:30 am on Tuesdays.

I'm also less concerned about the FCS playoffs or winning a title- Maine plays football to keep alumni engaged with the school by coming to campus on a pleasant fall day. It brings in some students from outside the state, and occasionally gets the name out there. Getting 8,000 butts in seats is a good turnout.

I don't know why we need to aspire to compete against Alabama or Penn State. I want to play our peers, who are similarly sized, similarly resourced teams from Maine to Virginia. Changing the label from FBS to FCS doesn't do anything for that.

My comments earlier about FBS being the screwed up division were more about the FBS being in a large glass house. Sure, 3 FCS conferences decline to play in the playoffs. 5 of the 10 FBS conferences aren't even given the option to decline, they are explicitly excluded before the ball is snapped. Clean up your own house and leave us alone.

It's only a matter of time before the A5 kicks the FCS out of basketball as well. No more Maine playing March Madness with Georgia for good!!!! Yay!!

LOL - so they are going to kick out Villanova, Georgetown, Gonzaga, Dayton, etc?

Good luck with that.

No, the Big East, the WCC, and the A10 wouldn't be kicked out of basketball, but conferences like the Summit (NDSU), OVC (Austin Peay), and the America East (Maine) would.

Have fun trying to kick out leagues with a lot of state flagship universitys (AE, Big Sky, Summit).

Won't end well.

Oh, it can definitely be done. It's been done before, and it can be done again.

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(06-25-2021 03:11 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(06-25-2021 01:36 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(06-25-2021 12:11 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(06-25-2021 11:52 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(06-25-2021 10:35 AM)ccd494 Wrote:  There are only so many spots on TV each week. You add 50 schools to FBS and there aren't magically going to be 25 more live games broadcast on actual television unless you are willing to turn yourself into the MAC and play at 3:30 am on Tuesdays.

I'm also less concerned about the FCS playoffs or winning a title- Maine plays football to keep alumni engaged with the school by coming to campus on a pleasant fall day. It brings in some students from outside the state, and occasionally gets the name out there. Getting 8,000 butts in seats is a good turnout.

I don't know why we need to aspire to compete against Alabama or Penn State. I want to play our peers, who are similarly sized, similarly resourced teams from Maine to Virginia. Changing the label from FBS to FCS doesn't do anything for that.

My comments earlier about FBS being the screwed up division were more about the FBS being in a large glass house. Sure, 3 FCS conferences decline to play in the playoffs. 5 of the 10 FBS conferences aren't even given the option to decline, they are explicitly excluded before the ball is snapped. Clean up your own house and leave us alone.

It's only a matter of time before the A5 kicks the FCS out of basketball as well. No more Maine playing March Madness with Georgia for good!!!! Yay!!

LOL - so they are going to kick out Villanova, Georgetown, Gonzaga, Dayton, etc?

Good luck with that.

No, the Big East, the WCC, and the A10 wouldn't be kicked out of basketball, but conferences like the Summit (NDSU), OVC (Austin Peay), and the America East (Maine) would.

Have fun trying to kick out leagues with a lot of state flagship universitys (AE, Big Sky, Summit).

Won't end well.

It isn’t CSNbbs unless people are masking their fantasies as some sort of fact. That’s why this place is CSNbbs and not RSNbbs - “Conspiracies” rather than “Realignment”.

(06-25-2021 03:11 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(06-25-2021 01:36 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(06-25-2021 12:11 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(06-25-2021 11:52 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(06-25-2021 10:35 AM)ccd494 Wrote:  There are only so many spots on TV each week. You add 50 schools to FBS and there aren't magically going to be 25 more live games broadcast on actual television unless you are willing to turn yourself into the MAC and play at 3:30 am on Tuesdays.

I'm also less concerned about the FCS playoffs or winning a title- Maine plays football to keep alumni engaged with the school by coming to campus on a pleasant fall day. It brings in some students from outside the state, and occasionally gets the name out there. Getting 8,000 butts in seats is a good turnout.

I don't know why we need to aspire to compete against Alabama or Penn State. I want to play our peers, who are similarly sized, similarly resourced teams from Maine to Virginia. Changing the label from FBS to FCS doesn't do anything for that.

My comments earlier about FBS being the screwed up division were more about the FBS being in a large glass house. Sure, 3 FCS conferences decline to play in the playoffs. 5 of the 10 FBS conferences aren't even given the option to decline, they are explicitly excluded before the ball is snapped. Clean up your own house and leave us alone.

It's only a matter of time before the A5 kicks the FCS out of basketball as well. No more Maine playing March Madness with Georgia for good!!!! Yay!!

LOL - so they are going to kick out Villanova, Georgetown, Gonzaga, Dayton, etc?

Good luck with that.

No, the Big East, the WCC, and the A10 wouldn't be kicked out of basketball, but conferences like the Summit (NDSU), OVC (Austin Peay), and the America East (Maine) would.

Have fun trying to kick out leagues with a lot of state flagship universitys (AE, Big Sky, Summit).

Won't end well.

There is so much to unpack here. Perhaps a little history. In the early 1970's the Football coaches Association wished to limit the number of top-level football playing schools to 64-65. In response, the NCAA set up 3 divisions, 1, 2, and 3. There were about 300 schools in D1, which did not please the Football coaches, so the NCAA divided D1 into D1A, D1AA, and D1AAA. D1AAA were D1 schools that did not play football, D1A schools were the football schools that managed to be above the cut, and D1AA were football schools that landed below the cut. There were about 100 schools in each subdivision. Later the D1A schools became FBS and the D1AA became FCS. The FBS schools managed to get rules past through the NCAA making it difficult to go from D2 to FCS, and all but impossible to go from FCS to FBS. Schools found ways to get around the rules. Why the rules? MONEY. FBS schools do not want to share it. It has nothing to do with competing with Alabama, it has everything to do with collecting the same money as Alabama.

As for banishing schools from the FBS? Not a chance. The NCAA has about 900-1000 members. each school has 1 vote. So, Alabama doesn't like Troy in FBS, because it doesn't want to share money with any other Alabama school? That argument will NOT win friends or influence people. This is not about what fans want. It's about Money, which is what the people that run these schools want. [font=Arial][/font]

(06-25-2021 03:51 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(06-25-2021 03:13 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(06-25-2021 02:24 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(06-24-2021 11:31 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(06-24-2021 11:24 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  So you want to brand yourself at the top level while knowing you aren't the top level...

That's basically what almost all G5 schools that spend $25 million in student fees and academic - side transfers each year are doing. The ego-desire by boosters and the career-desires of the admins drive this spending - of largely other people's money, of course.

That's the only justification. A Michigan directional wants to think of themselves, and wants constituencies to think of them, as being in "the same league" with Michigan, Ohio State, etc. They pay for the charade.

Very expensive way to advertise, IMO.

It's more expensive not to.

Does the University of Phoenix say that their academic degrees aren't as good as Harvard? Of course not.

Going D3 is an admission that you're not in the same field athletically, which bleeds over to perceptions of academics.

A lot of students (and parents) have no idea that there's a hierarchy in academia. They've heard of Kentucky because they're on TV, and when their kid says that Northern Kentucky moved up to compete in D1 against Kentucky and that NKU has a law school ranked in the top 200 in the country, they think it means that an NKU degree is just as good as UK (which of course means that it's probably as good as that Duke school that can play pretty well against Kentucky in basketball, and way better than no-name schools like NYU or Emory). It doesn't occur to them that there's only 206 law schools in the country and NKU might be bottom-of-the-barrel.

(for the record, an in-law of mine who has a great job at a Fortune 500 make almost that exact argument to me about NKU)



Branding has a huge impact. I've even heard a parent without a college degree say that Ivy Tech (a community college in Indiana) is an Ivy League school and therefore her son is getting almost as good of an education as they teach at Harvard.

LOL - some of the best academic schools in the country are D3

Yep

Hasnt hurt elite schools like the University of Chicago and NYU

Of course those are great schools.

But don't pretend that they're not hurt by the lack of branding compared to Stanford, Duke, Northwestern, etc.

I went to Case Western. CWRU grads are used to being asked if we attended a military school.