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(06-12-2021 07:54 AM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  Don't agree. Records will be more scrutinized now and if you don't have any meat on a 11-1 record it's not gonna get you ranked high enough or not at all with the committee.

Agreed. 9-3 with top 25 conference wins will be looked at differently than our past schedules. If we continue with the schedule we have this year, that changes.
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RE: What does UAB needs to do to get into the CFB playoffs?
The only G5 team with a guaranteed a spot in the playoffs is by winning the 'best g5 conference' or sixth best conference overall - last year was CAA, with Mountain close and CUSA a distant third. Almost zero chance this way for UAB.

This means that UAB will need to be just ether right inside/outside of the top ten. This means we need to add several good P5s or or very high G5s and beat them. The major problem is that most football games are scheduled years in advance. UAB does have nice stadium but is too broke to offer any financial incentives
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RE: What does UAB needs to do to get into the CFB playoffs?
Really, it's funny that we are even having this conversation. Yes, this is a message board, where fans see their teams through forest green colored glasses and postulate outlandish things pretty regularly.

But we have been ranked in the BCS polls exactly one week--ever. And yet, here we are talking about how we can crash the party and get ourselves in a position to play for a national championship.

I like it. It's nice to raise the bar of expectations, and set some higher goals. Winning is good, and it will only beget more winning. And it's nice to be looking at a scenario where we are not eliminated before we even start the season, because the cartel won't let us play.
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RE: What does UAB needs to do to get into the CFB playoffs?
Until we go undefeated with the C-USA schedule we can’t blame it for not making the NY6 or playoffs.
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RE: What does UAB needs to do to get into the CFB playoffs?
(06-12-2021 08:45 PM)bftb Wrote:  Really, it's funny that we are even having this conversation. Yes, this is a message board, where fans see their teams through forest green colored glasses and postulate outlandish things pretty regularly.

But we have been ranked in the BCS polls exactly one week--ever. And yet, here we are talking about how we can crash the party and get ourselves in a position to play for a national championship.

I like it. It's nice to raise the bar of expectations, and set some higher goals. Winning is good, and it will only beget more winning. And it's nice to be looking at a scenario where we are not eliminated before we even start the season, because the cartel won't let us play.

this is super true...BUT...also sorta the point.
the fact is that under the current system, UAB was eliminated from national championship contention prior to the first kickoff of the season

while this would still be a SUPER long shot to get there, at least there is the hint of a system in which games actually have to be played before completely eliminating anybody.

to me, that's reason enough for discussion and excitement
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RE: What does UAB needs to do to get into the CFB playoffs?
There is probably nothing UAB can do short term to get into the CFB but it can make a ten year to twenty year plan to get to that level of recognition. It involves a consistent funding plan of about $30 - 40 million PER YEAR for its football program (like about 1/2 what Bama and Auburn have now) and developing the additional facilities like national powers have. If UAB cannot do these things, then it will remain where it is until it can.
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(06-12-2021 02:15 PM)DuelingDragon Wrote:  UAB’s unique story creates a rare opportunity to break through some typical barriers.

04-cheers I don’t think most Blazer fans appreciate the almost impossibly great an opportunity we have right now. Given UCF, Cincy, App State, or any other G5 team, ESPN will pimp us over them right now. That’s not a guess. They are particularly interested in us moving up to a higher level (that’s my own speculation)...they love our story that much.

If ESPN likes us so much why haven’t they lifted us up already? They want to see:

- new facilities (check)
- new stadium (check)
- win (check...and, ultimately, it’s division/conf/bowl that matters...need people to say, “Oh, UAB. That’s the team that dominates CUSA.”)
- attendance (?)
- money (foundation is pushing this button so we’ll see)
- numbers (different from attendance...# of donors - it’s great that we have people forking up millions of $$, but we need many, many, many more $50-$1,000 donors)

When do they want to see it? Now. Now is our window, but beating Georgia is delicious icing, with some other icing we need, on the very real cake we need.
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RE: What does UAB needs to do to get into the CFB playoffs?
(06-13-2021 09:04 PM)blazr Wrote:  
(06-12-2021 02:15 PM)DuelingDragon Wrote:  UAB’s unique story creates a rare opportunity to break through some typical barriers.

04-cheers I don’t think most Blazer fans appreciate the almost impossibly great an opportunity we have right now. Given UCF, Cincy, App State, or any other G5 team, ESPN will pimp us over them right now. That’s not a guess. They are particularly interested in us moving up to a higher level (that’s my own speculation)...they love our story that much.

If ESPN likes us so much why haven’t they lifted us up already? They want to see:

- new facilities (check)
- new stadium (check)
- win (check...and, ultimately, it’s division/conf/bowl that matters...need people to say, “Oh, UAB. That’s the team that dominates CUSA.”)
- attendance (?)
- money (foundation is pushing this button so we’ll see)
- numbers (different from attendance...# of donors - it’s great that we have people forking up millions of $$, but we need many, many, many more $50-$1,000 donors)

When do they want to see it? Now. Now is our window, but beating Georgia is delicious icing, with some other icing we need, on the very real cake we need.

uab is nothing to espn
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(06-14-2021 04:52 AM)UAB Schnauzer Wrote:  
(06-13-2021 09:04 PM)blazr Wrote:  
(06-12-2021 02:15 PM)DuelingDragon Wrote:  UAB’s unique story creates a rare opportunity to break through some typical barriers.

04-cheers I don’t think most Blazer fans appreciate the almost impossibly great an opportunity we have right now. Given UCF, Cincy, App State, or any other G5 team, ESPN will pimp us over them right now. That’s not a guess. They are particularly interested in us moving up to a higher level (that’s my own speculation)...they love our story that much.

If ESPN likes us so much why haven’t they lifted us up already? They want to see:

- new facilities (check)
- new stadium (check)
- win (check...and, ultimately, it’s division/conf/bowl that matters...need people to say, “Oh, UAB. That’s the team that dominates CUSA.”)
- attendance (?)
- money (foundation is pushing this button so we’ll see)
- numbers (different from attendance...# of donors - it’s great that we have people forking up millions of $$, but we need many, many, many more $50-$1,000 donors)

When do they want to see it? Now. Now is our window, but beating Georgia is delicious icing, with some other icing we need, on the very real cake we need.

uab is nothing to espn

Not entirely true. UAB's marketability, name recognition and TV value is improved considerably relative to some peer institutions and certainly compared to UAB's past and historical performance. It's still a drop in ESPN's bucket, but it's significantly different than before 2017 as a brand.
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RE: What does UAB needs to do to get into the CFB playoffs?
(06-14-2021 04:52 AM)UAB Schnauzer Wrote:  uab is nothing to espn

Since The Return, that comment couldn’t be more wrong. Past is not prologue. We’ve got a window where they are waiting, wanting us to step up (there’s a reason UAB is the first game this season...once it became clear PS wouldn’t be quite ready). Ask someone more worthy of “Blazer trust”...our window in there if we can put up the ladder and keep from falling off the roof. Right now, we need to be putting in the work to get up that ladder because this opportunity won’t last forever. Prob 3-4 yrs.
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RE: What does UAB needs to do to get into the CFB playoffs?
This is just one example (looking for a more up-to-date version of this) of how things have changed since The Return.

https://graphics.wsj.com/table/NCAA_2019

UAB's brand value at this juncture exceeds many teams in the AAC and is far above regional and C-USA peers.

TV ratings are more difficult to gauge because of C-USA home inventory is not part of ESPN. This hurts.

These are small samples, but the reality is there is a window to accelerate -- a process that is happening. It's a unique story.
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If ESPN wanted UAB so badly we would have all ready be accepted to the AAC.
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(06-14-2021 12:24 PM)UAB Schnauzer Wrote:  If ESPN wanted UAB so badly we would have all ready be accepted to the AAC.

If UAB Football had been in the position that it currently sits 7 years ago it would be in the AAC. Now higher standards have been set by Aresco and as Blazr pointed out the program is meeting some of those benchmarks.

What I don't agree with him on is what remains left for UAB to do to be considered for AAC membership. Aresco wants a program that will enhance the profile/status of the AAC hence the effort to entice BYU and Boise.

What does those two schools have that UAB doesn't? Aside from attendance and separate tv deals with ESPN, BYU and Boise have prominent wins over very good P5 programs in highly publicized games. And those types of wins is what UAB lacks. UAB starts getting some P5 wins under their belt they'll garner more serious attention from Aresco and the AAC.

Just my opinion.
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RE: What does UAB needs to do to get into the CFB playoffs?
It's more complicated than that.
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Either that or the AAC will be put into a position that will require them to add another team and the aforementioned teams aren't available leaving UAB as one the best of the rest.
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We need to win games in the ncaa tournament and continue to win the west in football
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RE: What does UAB needs to do to get into the CFB playoffs?
(06-14-2021 01:17 PM)DuelingDragon Wrote:  It's more complicated than that.

I prefer to think it's more difficult than complicated.
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Back when Mike Anderson was at UAB we used a division of ESPN to handle what IMG College handles for us now. That relationship was one of the reasons ESPN set up TV games against major schools at Bartow. Then Watson’s stooge Moon rigged the bidding and we got rid of ESPN. Then CUSA screwed over ESPN. On air personalities may like to mention our story but we have pissed off ESPN corporate on more than one occasion
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RE: What does UAB needs to do to get into the CFB playoffs?
There are many factors.

-- First, it's completely understandable that the AAC would want to pursue the East/West play. First, it's already been vetted and almost previously happened with the Big East. UAB fans, I think, can appreciate that because UAB has been one of those schools and UAB fans would be wanting that right now if UAB was in the AAC now.
-- The AAC believes they must get P6 status. They'll probably never achieve that, but it won't stop the pursuit from this largely group of schools that has been seeking this status under various umbrellas since the 1970s.
-- There are a segment of AAC teams that are sensitive to the idea of being labeled as C-USA by another name.
-- There are segment of AAC teams who are trying to "leave behind" their past and don't want to align with schools like them. Weird, yes. But that exists.
-- There is a segment of the AAC that hasn't forgotten empty seats at Legion Field, and won't until shown otherwise.
-- There is a segment of the AAC knows they hold a recruiting advantage over UAB (and a few others in the region would could be AAC candidates), and they aren't keen to give that up.
-- There's a segment of the ACC that believes the best way to achieve P6 status, unofficially, is by kneecapping the main rivals for that position (MWC), and claiming it unofficially by default.

They may or may not achieve any of those things. I'd lean toward not as they haven't achieved this in more than 40 years of trying.

When they don't, they'll try to stay at 11. And they may be able to do so. If not, I think UAB will end up being the clear choice even though a segment of AAC fans and boosters won't like it. UAB most aligns in budget, market, institution, history, geography, competitiveness and brand. No school will check every box the AAC wants, because what they want doesn't exist in G5: Schools that make them P6.

But UAB ultimately checks the most boxes once you get past the grandeur of some sort of "coast to coast domination" plan.

None of that is relevant to the playoff.

1) We don't know how an undefeated C-USA team would rank as it hasn't happened.
2) No season happens in a vacuum. The circumstances of a particular year matter more than reputation.
3) The AAC is clearly historically better based on resources and both recent and historical performances, but it's still somewhat fortunate to hold its current status. AAC's top teams have been good enough navigate seasons without upsets, but not without scares. SMU, Tulsa, Tulane, Navy could've cost the AAC a lot of money and prestige if they had been able to hang on a couple times. This happened to C-USA on multiple occasions with multi-million dollar upsets. Things look different, for example, if Houston and USM had crashed the BCS instead of blowing their shot.
4) Path to playoff is really simple. Win your conference. Win all your games. Win consistently year to year, so you are viewed favorably in perception. That guarantees nothing, but can't hurt. And then hope that stacks up to whatever else happens that year in other conferences. Most years it will. Sometimes it won't. This will be nothing new, whatever the system. Both Alabama and Auburn can point to national championships they didn't get simply because of circumstance, for example.

But at least now, the answer to the question isn't no before the first kickoff.
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RE: What does UAB needs to do to get into the CFB playoffs?
The most important thing is almost here.....a path to get to a playoff spot
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