Haven't read much of the more recent conversations... so please don't add any later convos to my thoughts below... I am responding to solely what I quoted here...
(06-03-2021 02:36 PM)Rice93 Wrote: I guess I associate what you are saying with more of a libertarian approach than a Republican one.
But almost by definition, Trump supporters are not GOP members. The GOP came around to Trump, not the other way around. Whether they are libertarians or 'anti-government' types (drain the swamp) is often a distinction without a difference to liberals, but not to conservatives. Most often, I find libertarians described by the left as 'off-gridder, survivalist, all but NO government' types, as opposed to more of a local control, meet the market as opposed to trying to fix the world with one law types. MOST Republicans believe more in 'more specialized ad targeted' regulation, rather than 'no' regulation. It does result in LESS regulation, but that is mostly because 'one size fits all' regulation relies on a vast array of exceptions and definitions which creates loopholes to be exploited (from all directions).
Quote:Are the mandates of employment law applied differently for private hospital systems because they generate some of their revenue from federal programs such as Medicare? Are they held to a different standard WRT employment practices than other private companies?
What if healthcare companies don't accept government insurance? Private urgent care centers/surgery centers/free-standing hospitals, etc. Would they be able to demand that their employees receive the vaccine?
Generally speaking... insofar as what you can require an employee to do.... there is little difference between public and private systems. Not only because they are paid by the government, but because they are dealing with human lives. The biggest determinant of public vs private has to do with the economics of a community. If there is not enough population to support a hospital, it will tend to be public, OR incentives will be given by the government to make a non-economic situation 'work' for a private entity. The government has determined that (as an example) you can require healthcare employees to get a flu vaccine OR require that they wear a mask 24/7 at work... and while some small centers won't enforce it either because they don't like it or they are just lazy... I guarantee that is in their policy manual. You generally agree to be bound by CMS regulations when you enter healthcare.
This is an example of 'one size fits all' regulation. CMS requires that 'for the safety of patients', certain protocols are standard nationally, with no 'exception' for the local situation... so if CMS says 'no double occupancy rooms' (and sometimes they say that simply through paying more for it/incentives) because NYC and its 400 bed hospital is rampant with COVID, that will also apply to a tiny hospital in rural Texas where there may be NO cases of COVID... and so few beds that single occupancy limits them to 5 patients, which doesn't even support 1 FTE for a Hospitalist... or 2 FTEs for nurses etc.... which impacts patient safety.
(06-03-2021 02:42 PM)Rice93 Wrote: I think the anti-vaxxers overlap CONSIDERABLY with the anti-media culture right. What group do you think the anti-vaxxers fall into?
I think there are connections between being against manipulation by media and being manipulated by government... people who 'don't care' what other people think but make their own decisions... but that doesn't mean they are exclusive. SOME people are anti-vaxxers because of religion, or because of skepticism about 'big pharma', or even 'healthy living' as opposed to 'better living through chemistry'.
Lots of off-gridders are extreme liberals/socialists.
Quote:I don't follow. Somebody on here suggested that he would be likely to eschew mask wear (even if he believed in it) if Trump had come out and supported the universal use of masks? I don't remember that.
It was Lad. He wasn't 'rabid' about it, but I suggested it as a possibility and he essentially said that although it may not make him actually change his mind, it would certainly be a negative association. I'm not trying to 'out' him or characterize him poorly... just saying he agreed with me.
Quote:Are you saying that if Trump had come out and said "Hey, it's super important to use masks all of the time. Let's make this happen" that almost none of his supporters would have gotten behind that idea? I don't agree if that's what you're saying.
Well, you've moved the bar somewhat to 'almost none'...
What I'm saying is that people who believe things find ways to justify any apparent discord... cognitive dissonance. I don't think there were NEARLY as many people who were idolizing and blindly following 'whatever' Trump said... as the left assumes.
Said simply... people who support Trump would have either ignored him when he said that... think LESS of him for 'bending a knee'... OR found some way to manage the dissonance. What they would be LEAST likely to do is 'blindly follow' a politician whom they primarily like because he doesn't 'blindly follow' politicians.
Quote:Again... not sure that I agree with that when it comes to masks.
Yeah, but you didn't like Trump... ONE of the reasons you didn't is because he didn't follow (and in fact often specifically defied) conventional political wisdom.
I think you're precisely demonstrating why 'the left' doesn't get Trump supporters, other than to claim that they are all racists, misogynists, liars etc, despite the fact that polls based on race and gender tended to disprove that opinion. I am not REMOTELY saying that you fit this bill... I am merely saying that this has been the overwhelming response to Trump and his supporters from the left.... that they are all HORRIBLE people.
(06-03-2021 10:52 PM)Rice93 Wrote: What proportion of medical doctors are "anti-covid-vax"? I'm sure that they exist however I've never met one or seen one on TV. I would guess that the % of "anti-covid-vax" medical doctors is well south of 5%.
That's a bit like asking what proportion of football players are 'anti-sports'. You don't become, and certainly not remain a doctor and then side against medical assistance for people.
And I am 100% certain that you could easily find and MD out there concerned about the vaccine. Dr Jane Orient was invited to speak to COngress about it. Her credentials??
Executive Director of the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons and president of Doctors for Disaster Preparedness
Not necessarily large or mainstream groups... but certainly she fits the description you seek, and while you may understandably not know her or have heard of her, had the media you follow endorsed her ideas (or highly involved in vilifying her) or you been highly involved in the hearings on the vaccine, I'm sure you would have.
