Bovine, in consecutive threads you first say “don’t give up on year 2 yet” then follow up with THAT roster update. I love your optimism!.. and looking forward to future roster updates...

(04-22-2021 04:47 PM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  Question about all of college hoops, not just EMU. Do all of these kids transferring think that if they just get the right coach or situation that they'll suddenly be a star and an NBA prospect? Or is it just the millenial way to avoid loyalty to any organization? Or are they so addicted to the attention they get when they announce their transfer and offers that they can't resist the temptation. I think it's all of the above.

Kudos to any kid that sticks with a school for 4+ years and graduates.

I agree, Wooden. But I think for the kids at EMU it seems understandable given the overall situation for year 1 under Heath- given all the changes, roster holes, etc...

When is the deadline for the transfers to select their schools? Is it just open ended until fall semester begins? Or do they have to commit by a certain date in the summer?

(04-22-2021 04:47 PM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  Question about all of college hoops, not just EMU. Do all of these kids transferring think that if they just get the right coach or situation that they'll suddenly be a star and an NBA prospect? Or is it just the millenial way to avoid loyalty to any organization? Or are they so addicted to the attention they get when they announce their transfer and offers that they can't resist the temptation. I think it's all of the above.

Kudos to any kid that sticks with a school for 4+ years and graduates.

None of these kids are millennials, so that’s a bit misguided. They’re probably learning from the Baby Boomer/Gen X coaches that bail on their school for a better job as soon as it’s convenient.

Personally, neither bother me as long as both are free to do so. I’ve long thought it was horribly unfair that coaches could leave and coach elsewhere right away, but players had to sit out. So either both should be acceptable or neither should be acceptable. And I’d side with the former being best for everyone just like it is, you know, in the real world.

(04-22-2021 04:47 PM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  Question about all of college hoops, not just EMU. Do all of these kids transferring think that if they just get the right coach or situation that they'll suddenly be a star and an NBA prospect? Or is it just the millenial way to avoid loyalty to any organization? Or are they so addicted to the attention they get when they announce their transfer and offers that they can't resist the temptation. I think it's all of the above.

Kudos to any kid that sticks with a school for 4+ years and graduates.

The answer is -- "yes".

(04-22-2021 04:47 PM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  Question about all of college hoops, not just EMU. Do all of these kids transferring think that if they just get the right coach or situation that they'll suddenly be a star and an NBA prospect? Or is it just the millenial way to avoid loyalty to any organization? Or are they so addicted to the attention they get when they announce their transfer and offers that they can't resist the temptation. I think it's all of the above.

Kudos to any kid that sticks with a school for 4+ years and graduates.

Solid post sir!

When I look from the student/athlete perspective, I see fairness in this transfer explosion. Had Joe Burrow stayed at Ohio State, he likely would not not have ever started a college football game, let alone win a Heisman and be the number one pick in the NFL draft. Drew Lowder was recruited to Holy Cross by a coach who was gone before he enrolled, then Murphy snags him only to be gone as well after just one season. Marcus Kennedy went to Ferris St, found out he was better than the GLIAC and transferred to Braun at EMU where he became the MAC POY and was drafted by the NBA. That never would have happened had he remained in Big Rapids. Loyer, Kithier and Izzo all misjudged their NCAA potential, they had no business expecting to play for a blueblood program, both players will receive far more success at lower level programs. Finally how would you feel having spent 2-3 years in a program waiting for your chance only to see your program recruit the number one HS recruit that will start ahead of you.

That said, your comment about attention is spot on. Emoni Bates gets camera time stating that he will stay at Lincoln, which he clearly did not intend to do. Then he gets back in the news "committing" to MSU, which I don't think he intends to do either. He did, however, get a lot of attention which WAS his intention.

At the end of the day, I still find this player movement troubling with regards to the long term health of college sports. The NBA with all of its player movement to "super teams" has experienced a substantial decline in viewership including pandemic times when many people have little else to do. John U Bacon predicted that sports were in a "bubble" situation a few years ago and I think I might agree due to competitive imbalances and lack of player loyalty in them.

I'm all in favor of meritocracy with regards to playing time. I am, however, conflicted about my attachment to the EMU football program should Ben Bryant be the starting QB next year. Hutch redshirted his freshman year under Roback, spent two more years behind Weigers and Glass and finally got his chance and acquitted himself well. He is EMU and Bryant is not.

I'm probably wrong, if Bryant leads the team to success, then I will probably be quite sanguine. Nevertheless I have reservations, I scoff at the LA Laker's hired gun championship as apparently many tv viewers do as well. What do you guys think?

Guys, what I fear is that NCAA will be like the minor leagues in baseball. Move about until you find your level. Unfortunately, the student part gets lost. There is no student part in MiLB. It's a job almost like moving on from McDonalds to TGI Friday to ...

One thing we haven't mentioned but really bothers me. I may sleep through most of the MBB season until say March 1. Then the madness begins. Cade Cunningham, Evan Mobley, Suggs, etc. and then bingo once their team loses in the tourney, they are off to the NBA. "Cade, I hardly got to know you and now you're gone?"

In the olden days, we all learned who the stars were during March Madness and expected them back for their next season...

(04-22-2021 06:54 PM)emu steve Wrote:  Guys, what I fear is that NCAA will be like the minor leagues in baseball. Move about until you find your level. Unfortunately, the student part gets lost. There is no student part in MiLB. It's a job almost like moving on from McDonalds to TGI Friday to ...

One thing we haven't mentioned but really bothers me. I may sleep through most of the MBB season until say March 1. Then the madness begins. Cade Cunningham, Evan Mobley, Suggs, etc. and then bingo once their team loses in the tourney, they are off to the NBA. "Cade, I hardly got to know you and now you're gone?"

In the olden days, we all learned who the stars were during March Madness and expected them back for their next season...

Yes sir Steve that is what I see as well. Are we just old farts resisting change or is this a change that will threaten the long term viability of the sport?

I don’t want to make too many assumptions, but it appears Ty Groce will be moving on.
https://twitter.com/tygroce/status/13853...99939?s=21

Looks like Minnesota, Duquesne, Butler, and UNLV appear to be high on his list.

I’ll be a fan of wherever he goes. He represented EMU well. Best of luck to him next season and in the future.

Excellent points, Jerry! Transferring is a very valid right/option for many players whose talent was either originally misjudged or changed somehow. I am glad the NCAA has made it easier for them. But Wooden’s point is also valid given the sheer number that are doing it right now- I think most probably are doing it for the temporary excitement or for unrealistic expectations. In the end it is their right/life and they are not really hurting. Anyone or themselves. (touché on the millennials point, Sam.)... and best wishes to Ty!!

(04-22-2021 09:36 PM)KPJ Wrote:  I don’t want to make too many assumptions, but it appears Ty Groce will be moving on.
https://twitter.com/tygroce/status/13853...99939?s=21

Looks like Minnesota, Duquesne, Butler, and UNLV appear to be high on his list.

God bless him. I hope he goes to Minnesota in a featured role. He would get a ton of exposure in the B1G.

I'll always remember him attending Heath's presser in support of the program.

I look forward to the day when this thread is about players arriving not departing.

(04-22-2021 05:12 PM)EagleSam Wrote:  

(04-22-2021 04:47 PM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  Question about all of college hoops, not just EMU. Do all of these kids transferring think that if they just get the right coach or situation that they'll suddenly be a star and an NBA prospect? Or is it just the millenial way to avoid loyalty to any organization? Or are they so addicted to the attention they get when they announce their transfer and offers that they can't resist the temptation. I think it's all of the above.

Kudos to any kid that sticks with a school for 4+ years and graduates.

None of these kids are millennials, so that’s a bit misguided. They’re probably learning from the Baby Boomer/Gen X coaches that bail on their school for a better job as soon as it’s convenient.

Personally, neither bother me as long as both are free to do so. I’ve long thought it was horribly unfair that coaches could leave and coach elsewhere right away, but players had to sit out. So either both should be acceptable or neither should be acceptable. And I’d side with the former being best for everyone just like it is, you know, in the real world.

its dansplaining and eaglesam against the world on this stuff yknow?

players should be able to transfer during the off season for whatever reason they want. blaming millennials is dumb as hell because any current college player is a zoomer. millennials are 30 now. lets not culture war this stuff - because i assure you boomers are 100x worse than millennials

(04-23-2021 06:39 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  

(04-22-2021 05:12 PM)EagleSam Wrote:  

(04-22-2021 04:47 PM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  Question about all of college hoops, not just EMU. Do all of these kids transferring think that if they just get the right coach or situation that they'll suddenly be a star and an NBA prospect? Or is it just the millenial way to avoid loyalty to any organization? Or are they so addicted to the attention they get when they announce their transfer and offers that they can't resist the temptation. I think it's all of the above.

Kudos to any kid that sticks with a school for 4+ years and graduates.

None of these kids are millennials, so that’s a bit misguided. They’re probably learning from the Baby Boomer/Gen X coaches that bail on their school for a better job as soon as it’s convenient.

Personally, neither bother me as long as both are free to do so. I’ve long thought it was horribly unfair that coaches could leave and coach elsewhere right away, but players had to sit out. So either both should be acceptable or neither should be acceptable. And I’d side with the former being best for everyone just like it is, you know, in the real world.

its dansplaining and eaglesam against the world on this stuff yknow?

players should be able to transfer during the off season for whatever reason they want. blaming millennials is dumb as hell because any current college player is a zoomer. millennials are 30 now. lets not culture war this stuff - because i assure you boomers are 100x worse than millennials

lets not culture war this stuff - because i assure you boomers are 100x worse than millennials

One of the most ignorant statements I've ever seen posted on this board because it serves no useful purpose and contradicts itself.

(04-23-2021 06:39 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  

(04-22-2021 05:12 PM)EagleSam Wrote:  

(04-22-2021 04:47 PM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  Question about all of college hoops, not just EMU. Do all of these kids transferring think that if they just get the right coach or situation that they'll suddenly be a star and an NBA prospect? Or is it just the millenial way to avoid loyalty to any organization? Or are they so addicted to the attention they get when they announce their transfer and offers that they can't resist the temptation. I think it's all of the above.

Kudos to any kid that sticks with a school for 4+ years and graduates.

None of these kids are millennials, so that’s a bit misguided. They’re probably learning from the Baby Boomer/Gen X coaches that bail on their school for a better job as soon as it’s convenient.

Personally, neither bother me as long as both are free to do so. I’ve long thought it was horribly unfair that coaches could leave and coach elsewhere right away, but players had to sit out. So either both should be acceptable or neither should be acceptable. And I’d side with the former being best for everyone just like it is, you know, in the real world.

its dansplaining and eaglesam against the world on this stuff yknow?

players should be able to transfer during the off season for whatever reason they want. blaming millennials is dumb as hell because any current college player is a zoomer. millennials are 30 now. lets not culture war this stuff - because i assure you boomers are 100x worse than millennials

Can you blame the kids in a lot of situations? They've worked their entire lives to play D1 basketball yet they're supposed to just ride the pine and hope they are given an opportunity. Why sit and hope for a good opportunity to evolve when you can go find it somewhere else?

The school doesn't owe the kid playing time just because they sat on the bench for two years just as the kid shouldn't owe the school if the situation isn't what they were recruited into.

I'm 34 and I've watched enough qualified peers get passed over for promotions and opportunities. Those same people go find better jobs and make more money working elsewhere. Why do we blindly owe our employers anything? I do my job well in exchange for a salary. Either of us can end it at any time. I don't owe them the next 30 years because they gave me a job. It works both ways.

You can go ahead and blanket stereotype us younger people but we're just adapting to the environment older generations are in control of.

You want kids to stay 4 years? Give them a reason to.

(04-23-2021 12:39 PM)eastcoasteagle Wrote:  

(04-23-2021 06:39 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  

(04-22-2021 05:12 PM)EagleSam Wrote:  

(04-22-2021 04:47 PM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  Question about all of college hoops, not just EMU. Do all of these kids transferring think that if they just get the right coach or situation that they'll suddenly be a star and an NBA prospect? Or is it just the millenial way to avoid loyalty to any organization? Or are they so addicted to the attention they get when they announce their transfer and offers that they can't resist the temptation. I think it's all of the above.

Kudos to any kid that sticks with a school for 4+ years and graduates.

None of these kids are millennials, so that’s a bit misguided. They’re probably learning from the Baby Boomer/Gen X coaches that bail on their school for a better job as soon as it’s convenient.

Personally, neither bother me as long as both are free to do so. I’ve long thought it was horribly unfair that coaches could leave and coach elsewhere right away, but players had to sit out. So either both should be acceptable or neither should be acceptable. And I’d side with the former being best for everyone just like it is, you know, in the real world.

its dansplaining and eaglesam against the world on this stuff yknow?

players should be able to transfer during the off season for whatever reason they want. blaming millennials is dumb as hell because any current college player is a zoomer. millennials are 30 now. lets not culture war this stuff - because i assure you boomers are 100x worse than millennials

Can you blame the kids in a lot of situations? They've worked their entire lives to play D1 basketball yet they're supposed to just ride the pine and hope they are given an opportunity. Why sit and hope for a good opportunity to evolve when you can go find it somewhere else?

The school doesn't owe the kid playing time just because they sat on the bench for two years just as the kid shouldn't owe the school if the situation isn't what they were recruited into.

I'm 34 and I've watched enough qualified peers get passed over for promotions and opportunities. Those same people go find better jobs and make more money working elsewhere. Why do we blindly owe our employers anything? I do my job well in exchange for a salary. Either of us can end it at any time. I don't owe them the next 30 years because they gave me a job. It works both ways.

You can go ahead and blanket stereotype us younger people but we're just adapting to the environment older generations are in control of.

You want kids to stay 4 years? Give them a reason to.

To add to my last post: The NCAA runs college sports like a business nowadays yet people are shocked when the athletes make business decisions. You don't see athletes transferring 3 times in D3 cross country because there's no money at stake.

Ty Groce to Butler.

(04-23-2021 01:01 PM)eastcoasteagle Wrote:  

(04-23-2021 12:39 PM)eastcoasteagle Wrote:  

(04-23-2021 06:39 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  

(04-22-2021 05:12 PM)EagleSam Wrote:  

(04-22-2021 04:47 PM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  Question about all of college hoops, not just EMU. Do all of these kids transferring think that if they just get the right coach or situation that they'll suddenly be a star and an NBA prospect? Or is it just the millenial way to avoid loyalty to any organization? Or are they so addicted to the attention they get when they announce their transfer and offers that they can't resist the temptation. I think it's all of the above.

Kudos to any kid that sticks with a school for 4+ years and graduates.

None of these kids are millennials, so that’s a bit misguided. They’re probably learning from the Baby Boomer/Gen X coaches that bail on their school for a better job as soon as it’s convenient.

Personally, neither bother me as long as both are free to do so. I’ve long thought it was horribly unfair that coaches could leave and coach elsewhere right away, but players had to sit out. So either both should be acceptable or neither should be acceptable. And I’d side with the former being best for everyone just like it is, you know, in the real world.

its dansplaining and eaglesam against the world on this stuff yknow?

players should be able to transfer during the off season for whatever reason they want. blaming millennials is dumb as hell because any current college player is a zoomer. millennials are 30 now. lets not culture war this stuff - because i assure you boomers are 100x worse than millennials

Can you blame the kids in a lot of situations? They've worked their entire lives to play D1 basketball yet they're supposed to just ride the pine and hope they are given an opportunity. Why sit and hope for a good opportunity to evolve when you can go find it somewhere else?

The school doesn't owe the kid playing time just because they sat on the bench for two years just as the kid shouldn't owe the school if the situation isn't what they were recruited into.

I'm 34 and I've watched enough qualified peers get passed over for promotions and opportunities. Those same people go find better jobs and make more money working elsewhere. Why do we blindly owe our employers anything? I do my job well in exchange for a salary. Either of us can end it at any time. I don't owe them the next 30 years because they gave me a job. It works both ways.

You can go ahead and blanket stereotype us younger people but we're just adapting to the environment older generations are in control of.

You want kids to stay 4 years? Give them a reason to.

To add to my last post: The NCAA runs college sports like a business nowadays yet people are shocked when the athletes make business decisions. You don't see athletes transferring 3 times in D3 cross country because there's no money at stake.

Look you can't have players leaving every year for bigger or better positions. They can't be like Willie Taggert and coach 4 schools in 5 years. Or Lane Kiffin who left Tennessee after 1 year. Or Todd Graham who left Rice after one season and Pittsburgh after one season.

There is just no way you can have college sports where players can do things that coaches do all the dang time.

So let's see Stan Heath,meets with the players tells them
how it's going to be and how things will change for the better. Apparently that didn't matter to some players who were not interested in giving him that chance.

Here's to Coach Heath finding players that will buy into his culture and,be winners here. CC faced the,same,problem when he took over from English.