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Volleyball - #24 nationally
Basketball - #26 nationally
Soccer - #28 nationally
Outdoor Track and Field - #29 nationally
Tennis - #38 nationally

It shows that Rice has a top-30 women's athletic program. That's really good.
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Indoor Track and Field - #40 nationally
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(04-06-2021 12:10 PM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote:  Volleyball - #24 nationally
Basketball - #26 nationally
Soccer - #28 nationally
Outdoor Track and Field - #29 nationally
Tennis - #38 nationally

It shows that Rice has a top-30 women's athletic program. That's really good.

Soccer is now #26.

https://unitedsoccercoaches.org/rankings...-di-women/
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That is amazing. Sometimes we give too much attention to the challenges that we are having with the big three, and miss the success that we are having otherwise. Congrats to these teams.
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Very impressive indeed, and suggests that it's a structural thing, rather than idiosyncratic merits and demerits of coaches
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(04-07-2021 12:13 AM)Intellectual_Brutality Wrote:  Very impressive indeed, and suggests that it's a structural thing, rather than idiosyncratic merits and demerits of coaches

Or, Rice has some great coaches for women's sports.
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(04-07-2021 01:07 AM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote:  
(04-07-2021 12:13 AM)Intellectual_Brutality Wrote:  Very impressive indeed, and suggests that it's a structural thing, rather than idiosyncratic merits and demerits of coaches

Or, Rice has some great coaches for women's sports.

I think the academically oriented universities tend to be more successful in attracting top women athletes than men athletes because professional opportunities do not seem to be as plentiful and lucrative for women and the quality of the education might play a larger role for them. If you look, for instance, at Stanford, it seems that their women teams outperform the men's teams.

Although I have never done a study, I suspect around 2/3 of the points Stanford earns toward the Learfield Cup are earned by its women's teams.
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(04-07-2021 08:00 AM)Ranger Wrote:  
(04-07-2021 01:07 AM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote:  
(04-07-2021 12:13 AM)Intellectual_Brutality Wrote:  Very impressive indeed, and suggests that it's a structural thing, rather than idiosyncratic merits and demerits of coaches

Or, Rice has some great coaches for women's sports.

I think the academically oriented universities tend to be more successful in attracting top women athletes than men athletes because professional opportunities do not seem to be as plentiful and lucrative for women and the quality of the education might play a larger role for them. If you look, for instance, at Stanford, it seems that their women teams outperform the men's teams.

Although I have never done a study, I suspect around 2/3 of the points Stanford earns toward the Learfield Cup are earned by its women's teams.

I almost made a very similar post.

I think Rice might finally be recognizing its strengths when it comes to women's sports. There should be no reason we can't out-recruit the vast majority of schools across the country in most sports.

Sure, women's soccer will probably not be able to go toe-to-toe with a program like UNC, but I think we can do just fine.
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(04-07-2021 01:07 AM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote:  
(04-07-2021 12:13 AM)Intellectual_Brutality Wrote:  Very impressive indeed, and suggests that it's a structural thing, rather than idiosyncratic merits and demerits of coaches

Or, Rice has some great coaches for women's sports.

Both things can be, and are almost for sure, true:
- biggest factors are structural (conference, post-graduation options, etc)
- smaller factor is coach quality
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We hired our current Soccer coach, Brian Lee, away from LSU. When he arrived, he said that it would be easier to recruit at Rice compared to LSU because of the value of the Rice education and the appeal of Rice to both players and parents. A large share of the top soccer players come from upper middle class families - exactly the Rice target demographic.

Some women recruits want to go to a P5 school over a G5 school, regardless. But it is certainly far easier for Rice to maintain Top 25 programs in women's sports than men's. A lot of soccer, VB, and WBB recruits can look at Rice right now and accurately conclude that they have a better chance of making an NCAA tournament at Rice than at many P5 programs.

I hope that we keep doing what we are doing right on the women's side.
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One interesting note in talking with Brian...there are a number of top quality (i.e. national team caliber) soccer players that are unhappy with the restrictions in place for the Ivy League schools, including continuing restrictions on training (including practice time) and competition...As we become increasingly more successful in the various women's sports, the climate in Houston and more relaxed COVID restrictions may allow us to be more successful in recruiting top quality athletes.

To the extent we need to invest in facilities and recruiting budgets, the return on that investment may become quite significant.
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(04-07-2021 10:31 AM)Houston Owl 2 Wrote:  One interesting note in talking with Brian...there are a number of top quality (i.e. national team caliber) soccer players that are unhappy with the restrictions in place for the Ivy League schools, including continuing restrictions on training (including practice time) and competition...As we become increasingly more successful in the various women's sports, the climate in Houston and more relaxed COVID restrictions may allow us to be more successful in recruiting top quality athletes.

To the extent we need to invest in facilities and recruiting budgets, the return on that investment may become quite significant.

The Ivy League restrictions on competition are quite ridiculous, because even in states like MA, CT, NY, PA, etc many other colleges and universities have had no trouble competing (for example, BC Football didn't have one covid case the entire football season).

So I do think we could see a (temporary) recruiting bump when competing against Ivy League schools.

However, I wonder if our recruiting has taken a hit vs. Texas schools because the Covid restrictions on the Rice campus seem harsher compared to other schools. Tough to explain to a recruit why their parents could go to a game at SMU but not at Rice.

Overall, I see Covid as a net neutral for Rice athletics recruiting... Positive vs. the Ivy League, negative vs. Texas schools.
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(04-07-2021 10:31 AM)Houston Owl 2 Wrote:  One interesting note in talking with Brian...there are a number of top quality (i.e. national team caliber) soccer players that are unhappy with the restrictions in place for the Ivy League schools, including continuing restrictions on training (including practice time) and competition...As we become increasingly more successful in the various women's sports, the climate in Houston and more relaxed COVID restrictions may allow us to be more successful in recruiting top quality athletes.

To the extent we need to invest in facilities and recruiting budgets, the return on that investment may become quite significant.

This seems to be a bit of a stretch in connecting COVID restrictions to national team caliber players wanting to transfer from the Ivy League.

For starters, how many national team caliber players are competing in the Ivy Leagues currently? Based on the 2019 national team roster, exactly 0 played in the Ivies.

https://www.ncaa.com/news/soccer-women/a...ege-soccer

That isn't to refute the idea that quality academics are a selling point. On that same roster, 11 of the 23 players went to UNC, Stanford, or Virginia - all quality academic institutions. My guess is that the Ivies aren't going to have an issue with attracting national team caliber talent because of current COVID restrictions, but because they're in the Ivy League (same reason we'll similarly suffer to attract national team caliber players).

Now there is still a lot of high quality talent behind national team caliber players middle of the pack NCAA talent. And will those players be swayed to choose Rice over Ivy Leagues because of COVID restrictions? That seems like a hard sell to me, unless the Ivies plan to continue to restrict sports after this semester. Just because players are currently unhappy with the league's current decision, doesn't mean that it will impact future decisions, so long as there's a clear end point.

But our climate is definitely a recruiting tool compared to schools in the NE. We also offer other D1 sports, we're located in a major metropolitan area, and we're more centrally located for student athletes coming out of the west coast and SE.
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(04-07-2021 10:48 AM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  
(04-07-2021 10:31 AM)Houston Owl 2 Wrote:  One interesting note in talking with Brian...there are a number of top quality (i.e. national team caliber) soccer players that are unhappy with the restrictions in place for the Ivy League schools, including continuing restrictions on training (including practice time) and competition...As we become increasingly more successful in the various women's sports, the climate in Houston and more relaxed COVID restrictions may allow us to be more successful in recruiting top quality athletes.

To the extent we need to invest in facilities and recruiting budgets, the return on that investment may become quite significant.

The Ivy League restrictions on competition are quite ridiculous, because even in states like MA, CT, NY, PA, etc many other colleges and universities have had no trouble competing (for example, BC Football didn't have one covid case the entire football season).

So I do think we could see a (temporary) recruiting bump when competing against Ivy League schools.

However, I wonder if our recruiting has taken a hit vs. Texas schools because the Covid restrictions on the Rice campus seem harsher compared to other schools. Tough to explain to a recruit why their parents could go to a game at SMU but not at Rice.

Overall, I see Covid as a net neutral for Rice athletics recruiting... Positive vs. the Ivy League, negative vs. Texas schools.

I just responded this post in disagreement, but I was thinking long term impacts. I
agree here that we could see some sort of one-year blip of recruiting weirdness across the board.

But we shouldn't count on Ivy League COVID restrictions being a boom for Rice recruiting. Frankly, it seems like a weird topic to try and use in recruiting, given the inherent uncertainty surrounding the restrictions.
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(04-07-2021 10:57 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
(04-07-2021 10:48 AM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  
(04-07-2021 10:31 AM)Houston Owl 2 Wrote:  One interesting note in talking with Brian...there are a number of top quality (i.e. national team caliber) soccer players that are unhappy with the restrictions in place for the Ivy League schools, including continuing restrictions on training (including practice time) and competition...As we become increasingly more successful in the various women's sports, the climate in Houston and more relaxed COVID restrictions may allow us to be more successful in recruiting top quality athletes.

To the extent we need to invest in facilities and recruiting budgets, the return on that investment may become quite significant.

The Ivy League restrictions on competition are quite ridiculous, because even in states like MA, CT, NY, PA, etc many other colleges and universities have had no trouble competing (for example, BC Football didn't have one covid case the entire football season).

So I do think we could see a (temporary) recruiting bump when competing against Ivy League schools.

However, I wonder if our recruiting has taken a hit vs. Texas schools because the Covid restrictions on the Rice campus seem harsher compared to other schools. Tough to explain to a recruit why their parents could go to a game at SMU but not at Rice.

Overall, I see Covid as a net neutral for Rice athletics recruiting... Positive vs. the Ivy League, negative vs. Texas schools.

I just responded this post in disagreement, but I was thinking long term impacts. I
agree here that we could see some sort of one-year blip of recruiting weirdness across the board.

But we shouldn't count on Ivy League COVID restrictions being a boom for Rice recruiting. Frankly, it seems like a weird topic to try and use in recruiting, given the inherent uncertainty surrounding the restrictions.

Have our assistant coaches stalk the Facebook pages of the parents of prospective student athletes and see if they’re sharing Fauci videos or Scott Atlas videos in order to know what direction to take LOL!
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Tennis is now #37 in the computer rankings and #35 in the Coaches Poll.

https://www.wearecollegetennis.com/2021/...il-7-2021/
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(04-07-2021 08:20 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
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(04-07-2021 12:13 AM)Intellectual_Brutality Wrote:  Very impressive indeed, and suggests that it's a structural thing, rather than idiosyncratic merits and demerits of coaches

Or, Rice has some great coaches for women's sports.

I think the academically oriented universities tend to be more successful in attracting top women athletes than men athletes because professional opportunities do not seem to be as plentiful and lucrative for women and the quality of the education might play a larger role for them. If you look, for instance, at Stanford, it seems that their women teams outperform the men's teams.

Although I have never done a study, I suspect around 2/3 of the points Stanford earns toward the Learfield Cup are earned by its women's teams.

I almost made a very similar post.

I think Rice might finally be recognizing its strengths when it comes to women's sports. There should be no reason we can't out-recruit the vast majority of schools across the country in most sports.

Sure, women's soccer will probably not be able to go toe-to-toe with a program like UNC, but I think we can do just fine.

This... and while looking for the first time I spoke of this concept on here, I did a search yesterday... and directly suggested this concept in 2005, and DIRECTLY to JK in 2013... amusingly AT a Rice Baseball game at Stanford.

I would say that being able to attract great coaches for women's sports is precisely and directly related to why it works... so while I'm not saying this is REMOTELY an EASY thing to do, it IS perhaps the EASIEST of the challenges we face here. I'd also note that I mentioned ADDING additional, low cost Olympic sports that fit our demographics or existing facilities back in 2005 in an effort to a) address title IX concerns that might help us do things like add men's swimming b) get more national notice through the olympics and b) create a more 'athlete' friendly culture on campus that would at least vicariously have a beneficial impact on the tougher lifts. I suggested sand volleyball using the old pool as an indoor weather court which would have made us unique.. which I suspect could have also helped women's volleyball. We could even have converted some of the old tennis facilities into outdoor, or build in the empty grass lot across Greenbriar from the stadium lot.

I'm not saying this to pat myself on the back... I'm saying it to note that these ideas seemed obvious to someone who knew Rice, but only SOMEWHAT knew the ins and outs of 'college sports administration' more than 15 years ago. During that time, we've had numerous ADs put forth their business plans, both internally and externally... so there were opportunities to articulate these desires, which obviously would have helped put them into action.

They WERE perhaps articulated to the coaches we hired (or FROM the coaches we hired TO the administration, and by admin I mean athletics, the Pres AND the board)... but they were never articulated publicly... nor were they implemented beyond our current athletic footprint.... which means if it WAS articulated, it wasn't articulated effectively (which is either an issue of articulation or support).

I am SO PROUD of the young women who accomplished these great things... They and their coaches have EMBRACED the greater challenge.... and in the case of Mulkey and Langley, they have TELEGRAPHED that message to us by accepting the NEXT great challenge. That's what Wayne told us when we hired him, and he PROVED it in 2003.... and for a decade plus thereafter.

Our goal now should be to make RICE the next greatest challenge for others... and THAT is by 'winning it all' from here.

Celebrate the LOFTY bar... and like ANY athlete, try and raise it from here!!
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Not to disagree, but apparently there are two players on the Princeton roster that are potential national team caliber players and that are likely to transfer this year.
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(04-07-2021 01:14 PM)Houston Owl 2 Wrote:  Not to disagree, but apparently there are two players on the Princeton roster that are potential national team caliber players and that are likely to transfer this year.

Would probably be helpful to make sure we're talking about the same thing. I was assuming you were talking about the senior squad, which is pretty rarified air. Even the younger teams (i.e. U-20) still don't offer many slots.

Good to hear that Princeton has some high quality players. The Ivy League hasn't really known for developing high-level women's soccer players, but maybe that is changing.
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Harvard just had an alum signed to play on the USWNT against Sweden on Saturday.
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