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(03-22-2021 11:18 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(03-22-2021 10:51 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(03-22-2021 10:04 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(03-22-2021 10:02 AM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  Has to only be a matter of time before the MAC and Horizon schools in Ohio start merging, right? I remember earlier discussion about how Wright State is in financial trouble. Maybe Wright State could become a joint OSU/UC school like IUPUI. I know there's a lot of hate for OSU on this board, but academic cooperation with them would only help to raise our profile. I'm sure that's likely not realistic, but fun to think about. Maybe eventually Ohio just ends up having two public university systems, one headed by UC and the other by OSU.

Kent State/Akron and Toledo/BGSU will be merged regional partnerships by the end of the 2030's IMO.

What's the difference between "merged regional partnerships" and two independent universities?

There may be some operational efficiencies, resulting some layoffs of admins. And students can "transfer" more easily. And the introductory MOOC's can be larger, saving a small amount of money (a MOOC of 2000 students isn't much more efficient than a MOOC of 1000).

But there's still the problem of 2 physical campuses that don't interact very much. Students and faculty won't see each other any more than they already do.

When I say that, I mean that there will be efficiency assessments, and Colleges will be cut at each. There is no reason to have two Colleges of Engineering, Nursing, or Fine Arts in two Northwest Ohio Universities both enrolling 15,000-20,000 students located 20 miles away from each. That's your major savings, along with developing a core curriculum to be distributed virtually instead of in-person (your State mandated electives that prop up non self-sufficient departments like History, English, etc.) and that's what I mean by regional educational partnerships. One administration with one shared budget overseeing both and ensuring that there is no competition between the two (they cna still compete with others in the state and region obviously, but serving a mainly state-regional population ~70% of students at both come from inside "NW Ohio" means they shouldn't be competing with each other anymore to offer everything to the benefit of nothing and no one), and instead using funding to uplift both. Hell, you've already seen the benefit of that with NEOMed between KSU/Akron/Cleveland State, it's a wonder more people don't adopt that. I don't think having two campuses is a problem. hell, it's probably a benefit. Students could enroll in engineering at UT, but take their first year courses at BG to enjoy that experience or vice versa. Would honestly probably attract more people

There is no way you'd ever get the State Legislature to vote to dissolve institutions like that and incorporate them into an Ohio State mega-school...too much regional identity politics in there for that.

That may be the case at schools like BGSU or Akron. At the Big Ten schools (and I think that everyone agrees that is the direction we want UC to move) Arts & Sciences are the overwhelmingly largest concentration of majors with Business and Engineering clear second and third. Purdue might be an exception, but a quick google shows me that at OSU, 38% of majors are in Arts & Sciences. The higher up the food chain one goes, those History and English departments absolutely pay for themselves and don't need any humanities requirements for business majors to do so.

I've also maintained that until UC ups their game in this area, AAU membership is a no-go. The AAU is constantly lecturing its existing members not to ignore Arts & Sciences in the quest to chase more Medical and Engineering research dollars. Georgia Tech was kept out for years because, despite their undeniable strengths, they were considered too one-dmensional. Without a strong academic core of Humanities, Social Sciences and Hard Sciences, UC won't get into the AAU.

(03-23-2021 08:28 AM)Bearcat 1985 Wrote:  

(03-22-2021 11:18 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(03-22-2021 10:51 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(03-22-2021 10:04 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(03-22-2021 10:02 AM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  Has to only be a matter of time before the MAC and Horizon schools in Ohio start merging, right? I remember earlier discussion about how Wright State is in financial trouble. Maybe Wright State could become a joint OSU/UC school like IUPUI. I know there's a lot of hate for OSU on this board, but academic cooperation with them would only help to raise our profile. I'm sure that's likely not realistic, but fun to think about. Maybe eventually Ohio just ends up having two public university systems, one headed by UC and the other by OSU.

Kent State/Akron and Toledo/BGSU will be merged regional partnerships by the end of the 2030's IMO.

What's the difference between "merged regional partnerships" and two independent universities?

There may be some operational efficiencies, resulting some layoffs of admins. And students can "transfer" more easily. And the introductory MOOC's can be larger, saving a small amount of money (a MOOC of 2000 students isn't much more efficient than a MOOC of 1000).

But there's still the problem of 2 physical campuses that don't interact very much. Students and faculty won't see each other any more than they already do.

When I say that, I mean that there will be efficiency assessments, and Colleges will be cut at each. There is no reason to have two Colleges of Engineering, Nursing, or Fine Arts in two Northwest Ohio Universities both enrolling 15,000-20,000 students located 20 miles away from each. That's your major savings, along with developing a core curriculum to be distributed virtually instead of in-person (your State mandated electives that prop up non self-sufficient departments like History, English, etc.) and that's what I mean by regional educational partnerships. One administration with one shared budget overseeing both and ensuring that there is no competition between the two (they cna still compete with others in the state and region obviously, but serving a mainly state-regional population ~70% of students at both come from inside "NW Ohio" means they shouldn't be competing with each other anymore to offer everything to the benefit of nothing and no one), and instead using funding to uplift both. Hell, you've already seen the benefit of that with NEOMed between KSU/Akron/Cleveland State, it's a wonder more people don't adopt that. I don't think having two campuses is a problem. hell, it's probably a benefit. Students could enroll in engineering at UT, but take their first year courses at BG to enjoy that experience or vice versa. Would honestly probably attract more people

There is no way you'd ever get the State Legislature to vote to dissolve institutions like that and incorporate them into an Ohio State mega-school...too much regional identity politics in there for that.

That may be the case at schools like BGSU or Akron. At the Big Ten schools (and I think that everyone agrees that is the direction we want UC to move) Arts & Sciences are the overwhelmingly largest concentration of majors with Business and Engineering clear second and third. Purdue might be an exception, but a quick google shows me that at OSU, 38% of majors are in Arts & Sciences. The higher up the food chain one goes, those History and English departments absolutely pay for themselves and don't need any humanities requirements for business majors to do so.

I've also maintained that until UC ups their game in this area, AAU membership is a no-go. The AAU is constantly lecturing its existing members not to ignore Arts & Sciences in the quest to chase more Medical and Engineering research dollars. Georgia Tech was kept out for years because, despite their undeniable strengths, they were considered too one-dmensional. Without a strong academic core of Humanities, Social Sciences and Hard Sciences, UC won't get into the AAU.

Oh I agree completely (and I think we seem to agree on most everything higher ed related these days)...my comment was directed at those specific smaller regional institutions you mentioned though, not Big Ten schools who would remain wholly self-sufficient in that model anyways.

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That may be the case at schools like BGSU or Akron. At the Big Ten schools (and I think that everyone agrees that is the direction we want UC to move) Arts & Sciences are the overwhelmingly largest concentration of majors with Business and Engineering clear second and third. Purdue might be an exception, but a quick google shows me that at OSU, 38% of majors are in Arts & Sciences. The higher up the food chain one goes, those History and English departments absolutely pay for themselves and don't need any humanities requirements for business majors to do so.

I've also maintained that until UC ups their game in this area, AAU membership is a no-go. The AAU is constantly lecturing its existing members not to ignore Arts & Sciences in the quest to chase more Medical and Engineering research dollars. Georgia Tech was kept out for years because, despite their undeniable strengths, they were considered too one-dmensional. Without a strong academic core of Humanities, Social Sciences and Hard Sciences, UC won't get into the AAU.
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Finally, a voice of reason!

(03-23-2021 10:11 AM)colohank Wrote:  [

That may be the case at schools like BGSU or Akron. At the Big Ten schools (and I think that everyone agrees that is the direction we want UC to move) Arts & Sciences are the overwhelmingly largest concentration of majors with Business and Engineering clear second and third. Purdue might be an exception, but a quick google shows me that at OSU, 38% of majors are in Arts & Sciences. The higher up the food chain one goes, those History and English departments absolutely pay for themselves and don't need any humanities requirements for business majors to do so.

I've also maintained that until UC ups their game in this area, AAU membership is a no-go. The AAU is constantly lecturing its existing members not to ignore Arts & Sciences in the quest to chase more Medical and Engineering research dollars. Georgia Tech was kept out for years because, despite their undeniable strengths, they were considered too one-dmensional. Without a strong academic core of Humanities, Social Sciences and Hard Sciences, UC won't get into the AAU.
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Finally, a voice of reason!
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At UC, it seems every STEM program has received upgrades in facilities in the last 20 years. A&S should be next. Crosley may be the worst building on campus and it houses many A&S programs. Modern facilities may not solve all issues with A&S funding, but it would show a committment to improving all programs on campus, not just STEM.

(03-23-2021 10:24 AM)stpnum4 Wrote:  At UC, it seems every STEM program has received upgrades in facilities in the last 20 years. A&S should be next. Crosley may be the worst building on campus and it houses many A&S programs. Modern facilities may not solve all issues with A&S funding, but it would show a committment to improving all programs on campus, not just STEM.

Has the Physics building been touched in the last decade? That place was ROUGH when I spent time in there...

There's not a whole lot that can be done to Crosley at this point, and truthfully, those aren't high impact changes anyways because it doesn't really impact student outcomes (they're offices). I'd be way more interested in seeing a McMicken or Old Chem remodel the way that Swift was essentially rebuilt on the inside back with the Mainstreet project was going on.

(03-23-2021 10:33 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(03-23-2021 10:24 AM)stpnum4 Wrote:  At UC, it seems every STEM program has received upgrades in facilities in the last 20 years. A&S should be next. Crosley may be the worst building on campus and it houses many A&S programs. Modern facilities may not solve all issues with A&S funding, but it would show a committment to improving all programs on campus, not just STEM.

Has the Physics building been touched in the last decade? That place was ROUGH when I spent time in there...

There's not a whole lot that can be done to Crosley at this point, and truthfully, those aren't high impact changes anyways because it doesn't really impact student outcomes (they're offices). I'd be way more interested in seeing a McMicken or Old Chem remodel the way that Swift was essentially rebuilt on the inside back with the Mainstreet project was going on.

Old Chem and McMicken remodels would be great. As for Crosley, just removing it would be addition by subtraction.

(03-23-2021 10:40 AM)stpnum4 Wrote:  

(03-23-2021 10:33 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(03-23-2021 10:24 AM)stpnum4 Wrote:  At UC, it seems every STEM program has received upgrades in facilities in the last 20 years. A&S should be next. Crosley may be the worst building on campus and it houses many A&S programs. Modern facilities may not solve all issues with A&S funding, but it would show a committment to improving all programs on campus, not just STEM.

Has the Physics building been touched in the last decade? That place was ROUGH when I spent time in there...

There's not a whole lot that can be done to Crosley at this point, and truthfully, those aren't high impact changes anyways because it doesn't really impact student outcomes (they're offices). I'd be way more interested in seeing a McMicken or Old Chem remodel the way that Swift was essentially rebuilt on the inside back with the Mainstreet project was going on.

Old Chem and McMicken remodels would be great. As for Crosley, just removing it would be addition by subtraction.

True...Crosley was definitely in that 60's-70's institutional architecture model that just doesn't mesh at all with campus anymore. The issue is, the demolition of that building would be so cost prohibitive based on both the surrounding buildings AND the materials used in it's own construction, that it likely isn't even possible to do.

(03-23-2021 10:24 AM)stpnum4 Wrote:  

(03-23-2021 10:11 AM)colohank Wrote:  [

That may be the case at schools like BGSU or Akron. At the Big Ten schools (and I think that everyone agrees that is the direction we want UC to move) Arts & Sciences are the overwhelmingly largest concentration of majors with Business and Engineering clear second and third. Purdue might be an exception, but a quick google shows me that at OSU, 38% of majors are in Arts & Sciences. The higher up the food chain one goes, those History and English departments absolutely pay for themselves and don't need any humanities requirements for business majors to do so.

I've also maintained that until UC ups their game in this area, AAU membership is a no-go. The AAU is constantly lecturing its existing members not to ignore Arts & Sciences in the quest to chase more Medical and Engineering research dollars. Georgia Tech was kept out for years because, despite their undeniable strengths, they were considered too one-dmensional. Without a strong academic core of Humanities, Social Sciences and Hard Sciences, UC won't get into the AAU.

Finally, a voice of reason!
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At UC, it seems every STEM program has received upgrades in facilities in the last 20 years. A&S should be next. Crosley may be the worst building on campus and it houses many A&S programs. Modern facilities may not solve all issues with A&S funding, but it would show a committment to improving all programs on campus, not just STEM.
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My kid and I took a tour of OSU's campus before the pandemic, and I was stunned at the level of commitment they make to A&S. Their language departments facilities encompass two full buildings right on the main oval that have been fully rehabbed. All of it is tied into their John Glenn public affairs college (my kid's area of interest) and multiple federal government Title VI designated "national resource centers" for interdisciplinary area studies (Russian/East European Studies, East Asian Studies, Middle Eastern Studies etc) along with a think tank in National Security Studies that they've been running since the late 40s. I expected to be impressed, but I was blown away. (Sorry and please forgive me for the OSU advertising here!) I want that for UC, and if we continue on our current academic and fundraising trajectory, I don't see why we can't have it for UC.

We saw the same commitment and investment of resources during tours at Illinois, Wisconsin and Minnesota.

While we can point to Louisville and say that--outside of the B1G--academics don't matter, they certainly don't hurt. The bigger player we are academically, the more easy the decision becomes for the ACC or B12 to take us over someone else. That kind of investment also drives home the point within Ohio that UC is not just like OU or KSU or BGSU or even Miami. We are something different and something fundamentally better.

(03-23-2021 11:16 AM)Bearcat 1985 Wrote:  My kid and I took a tour of OSU's campus before the pandemic, and I was stunned at the level of commitment they make to A&S. Their language departments facilities encompass two full buildings right on the main oval that have been fully rehabbed. All of it is tied into their John Glenn public affairs college (my kid's area of interest) and multiple federal government Title VI designated "national resource centers" for interdisciplinary area studies (Russian/East European Studies, East Asian Studies, Middle Eastern Studies etc) along with a think tank in National Security Studies that they've been running since the late 40s. I expected to be impressed, but I was blown away. (Sorry and please forgive me for the OSU advertising here!) I want that for UC, and if we continue on our current academic and fundraising trajectory, I don't see why we can't have it for UC.

We saw the same commitment and investment of resources during tours at Illinois, Wisconsin and Minnesota.

While we can point to Louisville and say that--outside of the B1G--academics don't matter, they certainly don't hurt. The bigger player we are academically, the more easy the decision becomes for the ACC or B12 to take us over someone else. That kind of investment also drives home the point that UC is not just like OU or KSU or BGSU or even Miami. We are something different and something fundamentally better.

Objectively and subjectively I'm in lock-step agreement.

Your OSU assessment has a lot to do with their standing both in the state and as an enrollment hub globally too though. I don't think UC would ever get to that simply because of the speed bumps that have been put into the state funding model for non-OSU institutions and the space constraints that we're getting close to hitting for enrollment purposes.

(03-23-2021 11:16 AM)Bearcat 1985 Wrote:  

(03-23-2021 10:24 AM)stpnum4 Wrote:  

(03-23-2021 10:11 AM)colohank Wrote:  

(03-23-2021 08:28 AM)Bearcat 1985 Wrote:  That may be the case at schools like BGSU or Akron. At the Big Ten schools (and I think that everyone agrees that is the direction we want UC to move) Arts & Sciences are the overwhelmingly largest concentration of majors with Business and Engineering clear second and third. Purdue might be an exception, but a quick google shows me that at OSU, 38% of majors are in Arts & Sciences. The higher up the food chain one goes, those History and English departments absolutely pay for themselves and don't need any humanities requirements for business majors to do so.

I've also maintained that until UC ups their game in this area, AAU membership is a no-go. The AAU is constantly lecturing its existing members not to ignore Arts & Sciences in the quest to chase more Medical and Engineering research dollars. Georgia Tech was kept out for years because, despite their undeniable strengths, they were considered too one-dmensional. Without a strong academic core of Humanities, Social Sciences and Hard Sciences, UC won't get into the AAU.

Finally, a voice of reason!

At UC, it seems every STEM program has received upgrades in facilities in the last 20 years. A&S should be next. Crosley may be the worst building on campus and it houses many A&S programs. Modern facilities may not solve all issues with A&S funding, but it would show a committment to improving all programs on campus, not just STEM.

My kid and I took a tour of OSU's campus before the pandemic, and I was stunned at the level of commitment they make to A&S. Their language departments facilities encompass two full buildings right on the main oval that have been fully rehabbed. All of it is tied into their John Glenn public affairs college (my kid's area of interest) and multiple federal government Title VI designated "national resource centers" for interdisciplinary area studies (Russian/East European Studies, East Asian Studies, Middle Eastern Studies etc) along with a think tank in National Security Studies that they've been running since the late 40s. I expected to be impressed, but I was blown away. (Sorry and please forgive me for the OSU advertising here!) I want that for UC, and if we continue on our current academic and fundraising trajectory, I don't see why we can't have it for UC.

We saw the same commitment and investment of resources during tours at Illinois, Wisconsin and Minnesota.

While we can point to Louisville and say that--outside of the B1G--academics don't matter, they certainly don't hurt. The bigger player we are academically, the more easy the decision becomes for the ACC or B12 to take us over someone else. That kind of investment also drives home the point within Ohio that UC is not just like OU or KSU or BGSU or even Miami. We are something different and something fundamentally better.

I think facility upgrades are less important than the people running the facilities, and providing the organizational support for excellence.

Architectural wonders are frequently inhabited by failing organizations (like the Sears Tower, the Longaberger Basket Building, or the U.S. Capitol). On the other hand, Steve Jobs started Apple in his garage.


Rather than replacing perfectly functional facilities, it might be a better investment to pay 30% above industry average for new professors. And to double the budget for travel, research, grad students, and student interactions with industry.

(03-23-2021 11:53 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(03-23-2021 11:16 AM)Bearcat 1985 Wrote:  

(03-23-2021 10:24 AM)stpnum4 Wrote:  

(03-23-2021 10:11 AM)colohank Wrote:  

(03-23-2021 08:28 AM)Bearcat 1985 Wrote:  That may be the case at schools like BGSU or Akron. At the Big Ten schools (and I think that everyone agrees that is the direction we want UC to move) Arts & Sciences are the overwhelmingly largest concentration of majors with Business and Engineering clear second and third. Purdue might be an exception, but a quick google shows me that at OSU, 38% of majors are in Arts & Sciences. The higher up the food chain one goes, those History and English departments absolutely pay for themselves and don't need any humanities requirements for business majors to do so.

I've also maintained that until UC ups their game in this area, AAU membership is a no-go. The AAU is constantly lecturing its existing members not to ignore Arts & Sciences in the quest to chase more Medical and Engineering research dollars. Georgia Tech was kept out for years because, despite their undeniable strengths, they were considered too one-dmensional. Without a strong academic core of Humanities, Social Sciences and Hard Sciences, UC won't get into the AAU.

Finally, a voice of reason!

At UC, it seems every STEM program has received upgrades in facilities in the last 20 years. A&S should be next. Crosley may be the worst building on campus and it houses many A&S programs. Modern facilities may not solve all issues with A&S funding, but it would show a committment to improving all programs on campus, not just STEM.

My kid and I took a tour of OSU's campus before the pandemic, and I was stunned at the level of commitment they make to A&S. Their language departments facilities encompass two full buildings right on the main oval that have been fully rehabbed. All of it is tied into their John Glenn public affairs college (my kid's area of interest) and multiple federal government Title VI designated "national resource centers" for interdisciplinary area studies (Russian/East European Studies, East Asian Studies, Middle Eastern Studies etc) along with a think tank in National Security Studies that they've been running since the late 40s. I expected to be impressed, but I was blown away. (Sorry and please forgive me for the OSU advertising here!) I want that for UC, and if we continue on our current academic and fundraising trajectory, I don't see why we can't have it for UC.

We saw the same commitment and investment of resources during tours at Illinois, Wisconsin and Minnesota.

While we can point to Louisville and say that--outside of the B1G--academics don't matter, they certainly don't hurt. The bigger player we are academically, the more easy the decision becomes for the ACC or B12 to take us over someone else. That kind of investment also drives home the point within Ohio that UC is not just like OU or KSU or BGSU or even Miami. We are something different and something fundamentally better.

I think facility upgrades are less important than the people running the facilities, and providing the organizational support for excellence.

Architectural wonders are frequently inhabited by failing organizations (like the Sears Tower, the Longaberger Basket Building, or the U.S. Capitol). On the other hand, Steve Jobs started Apple in his garage.


Rather than replacing perfectly functional facilities, it might be a better investment to pay 30% above industry average for new professors. And to double the budget for travel, research, grad students, and student interactions with industry.

Yes!!!!!!!!

As we see more courses go on-line only, schools will need less square feet of buildings per 1000 students than do do now. The vast majority of Ohio schools are living in the past.

I guess some people need some updates.

The Hub, which is the next new building that is part of the whole The District construction will be on the corner of Stratford and Straight, not where the the big old Deaconess hospital was. Think across the street on Stratford from the old crappy parking garage that sits at the corner of Stratford and Straight and is part of the Deacon apartment building. Here's a link to the Clifton Heights project with some better renders and pictures of the final project (this new building the Hub is the one labeled student housing) : https://courbanize.com/projects/trinitas...nformation

Crosley Tower is scheduled to be demolished by 2025. Also, construction on gutting and renovating Calhoun dorm should begin in the next year or two. After Calhoun is done, Siddall will be getting the same treatment.

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(03-23-2021 12:18 PM)Cattidude Wrote:  I guess some people need some updates.

The Hub, which is the next new building that is part of the whole The District construction will be on the corner of Stratford and Straight, not where the the big old Deaconess hospital was. Think across the street on Stratford from the old crappy parking garage that sits at the corner of Stratford and Straight and is part of the Deacon apartment building. Here's a link to the Clifton Heights project with some better renders and pictures of the final project (this new building the Hub is the one labeled student housing) : https://courbanize.com/projects/trinitas...nformation

Crosley Tower is scheduled to be demolished by 2025. Also, construction on gutting and renovating Calhoun dorm should begin in the next year or two. After Calhoun is done, Siddall will be getting the same treatment.

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Great updates and thanks for sharing the details. If I understand correctly, the completion of the new building on the Wilson Auditorium footprint (west of the Physics Building) will provide swing space to allow Crosley to be emptied and then demolished. Such plans are always evolving but that's my recollection at least.

(03-23-2021 12:18 PM)Cattidude Wrote:  I guess some people need some updates.

The Hub, which is the next new building that is part of the whole The District construction will be on the corner of Stratford and Straight, not where the the big old Deaconess hospital was. Think across the street on Stratford from the old crappy parking garage that sits at the corner of Stratford and Straight and is part of the Deacon apartment building. Here's a link to the Clifton Heights project with some better renders and pictures of the final project (this new building the Hub is the one labeled student housing) : https://courbanize.com/projects/trinitas...nformation

Crosley Tower is scheduled to be demolished by 2025. Also, construction on gutting and renovating Calhoun dorm should begin in the next year or two. After Calhoun is done, Siddall will be getting the same treatment.

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That is going to be studied by every demolition engineer and Civil-Materials guy in a 5 state area...I can't even imagine how much they've budgeted for that. You can't implode a building like that, so it would have to be stratified demolition with reinforced concrete...which isn't something that is done very often at that height. When was it announced and where can you find more information about it?

The scope of that whole Hub project looks about as ambitious as anything I can remember. Looks to be a carbon copy of the Gateway District at Ohio State. That would do wonders for propelling Cincinnati's perception even further upwards on the student side of things.

I watched Crosley tower it built. It was ugly then and it is ugly now.

(03-23-2021 01:00 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(03-23-2021 12:18 PM)Cattidude Wrote:  I guess some people need some updates.

The Hub, which is the next new building that is part of the whole The District construction will be on the corner of Stratford and Straight, not where the the big old Deaconess hospital was. Think across the street on Stratford from the old crappy parking garage that sits at the corner of Stratford and Straight and is part of the Deacon apartment building. Here's a link to the Clifton Heights project with some better renders and pictures of the final project (this new building the Hub is the one labeled student housing) : https://courbanize.com/projects/trinitas...nformation

Crosley Tower is scheduled to be demolished by 2025. Also, construction on gutting and renovating Calhoun dorm should begin in the next year or two. After Calhoun is done, Siddall will be getting the same treatment.

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That is going to be studied by every demolition engineer and Civil-Materials guy in a 5 state area...I can't even imagine how much they've budgeted for that. You can't implode a building like that, so it would have to be stratified demolition with reinforced concrete...which isn't something that is done very often at that height. When was it announced and where can you find more information about it?

The scope of that whole Hub project looks about as ambitious as anything I can remember. Looks to be a carbon copy of the Gateway District at Ohio State. That would do wonders for propelling Cincinnati's perception even further upwards on the student side of things.

Just dissolve it with 47 septillion gallons of dilute hydrochloric acid. Shouldn't take more than a couple of centuries, with no threat of fugitive dust or cracked foundations and broken windows in neighboring structures.

(03-23-2021 01:00 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(03-23-2021 12:18 PM)Cattidude Wrote:  I guess some people need some updates.

The Hub, which is the next new building that is part of the whole The District construction will be on the corner of Stratford and Straight, not where the the big old Deaconess hospital was. Think across the street on Stratford from the old crappy parking garage that sits at the corner of Stratford and Straight and is part of the Deacon apartment building. Here's a link to the Clifton Heights project with some better renders and pictures of the final project (this new building the Hub is the one labeled student housing) : https://courbanize.com/projects/trinitas...nformation

Crosley Tower is scheduled to be demolished by 2025. Also, construction on gutting and renovating Calhoun dorm should begin in the next year or two. After Calhoun is done, Siddall will be getting the same treatment.

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That is going to be studied by every demolition engineer and Civil-Materials guy in a 5 state area...I can't even imagine how much they've budgeted for that. You can't implode a building like that, so it would have to be stratified demolition with reinforced concrete...which isn't something that is done very often at that height. When was it announced and where can you find more information about it?

The scope of that whole Hub project looks about as ambitious as anything I can remember. Looks to be a carbon copy of the Gateway District at Ohio State. That would do wonders for propelling Cincinnati's perception even further upwards on the student side of things.

Can't you just tie a couple chains around the top of it and pull? Looks pretty top heavy.

How many bodies are buried within the walls of Crosley Tower?

(03-23-2021 11:53 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(03-23-2021 11:16 AM)Bearcat 1985 Wrote:  

(03-23-2021 10:24 AM)stpnum4 Wrote:  

(03-23-2021 10:11 AM)colohank Wrote:  

(03-23-2021 08:28 AM)Bearcat 1985 Wrote:  That may be the case at schools like BGSU or Akron. At the Big Ten schools (and I think that everyone agrees that is the direction we want UC to move) Arts & Sciences are the overwhelmingly largest concentration of majors with Business and Engineering clear second and third. Purdue might be an exception, but a quick google shows me that at OSU, 38% of majors are in Arts & Sciences. The higher up the food chain one goes, those History and English departments absolutely pay for themselves and don't need any humanities requirements for business majors to do so.

I've also maintained that until UC ups their game in this area, AAU membership is a no-go. The AAU is constantly lecturing its existing members not to ignore Arts & Sciences in the quest to chase more Medical and Engineering research dollars. Georgia Tech was kept out for years because, despite their undeniable strengths, they were considered too one-dmensional. Without a strong academic core of Humanities, Social Sciences and Hard Sciences, UC won't get into the AAU.

Finally, a voice of reason!

At UC, it seems every STEM program has received upgrades in facilities in the last 20 years. A&S should be next. Crosley may be the worst building on campus and it houses many A&S programs. Modern facilities may not solve all issues with A&S funding, but it would show a committment to improving all programs on campus, not just STEM.

My kid and I took a tour of OSU's campus before the pandemic, and I was stunned at the level of commitment they make to A&S. Their language departments facilities encompass two full buildings right on the main oval that have been fully rehabbed. All of it is tied into their John Glenn public affairs college (my kid's area of interest) and multiple federal government Title VI designated "national resource centers" for interdisciplinary area studies (Russian/East European Studies, East Asian Studies, Middle Eastern Studies etc) along with a think tank in National Security Studies that they've been running since the late 40s. I expected to be impressed, but I was blown away. (Sorry and please forgive me for the OSU advertising here!) I want that for UC, and if we continue on our current academic and fundraising trajectory, I don't see why we can't have it for UC.

We saw the same commitment and investment of resources during tours at Illinois, Wisconsin and Minnesota.

While we can point to Louisville and say that--outside of the B1G--academics don't matter, they certainly don't hurt. The bigger player we are academically, the more easy the decision becomes for the ACC or B12 to take us over someone else. That kind of investment also drives home the point within Ohio that UC is not just like OU or KSU or BGSU or even Miami. We are something different and something fundamentally better.

I think facility upgrades are less important than the people running the facilities, and providing the organizational support for excellence.

Architectural wonders are frequently inhabited by failing organizations (like the Sears Tower, the Longaberger Basket Building, or the U.S. Capitol). On the other hand, Steve Jobs started Apple in his garage.


Rather than replacing perfectly functional facilities, it might be a better investment to pay 30% above industry average for new professors. And to double the budget for travel, research, grad students, and student interactions with industry.

I think it's a symbiotic relationship between the two. Top faculty are not going to be attracted to departments in run down buildings that make it clear they are not a high priority to the university. OTOH, investing in shiny facilities without also investing in the best people to fill them is also half-assed. When one talks about the hard sciences, the former becomes even more important. Top tier physicists are going to want top grade labs for themselves and their research teams. Top tier astronomers are going to want guaranteed time on top tier telescopes in Arizona or Chile, and so on.

As for those who say this is irrelevant with the move to online only, that belies the point that UC needs to be one of the "winners" that still focuses primarily on on-campus education. It's going to be the losers who go largely online in a desperate attempt to stay afloat.

(03-23-2021 02:47 PM)Bearcatbdub Wrote:  How many bodies are buried within the walls of Crosley Tower?

Probably at least one or two of Pete Rose's bookies.