(03-09-2021 12:59 PM)B_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(03-09-2021 12:30 PM)82hawk Wrote:  The writer said Boggs didn't fit the position he was asked to play.

That's fair, but I feel it didn't go far enough to state how out of place he was at the five, not by his own doing.

He did say it, but I guess it wasn't accusational enough.

(03-09-2021 01:03 PM)82hawk Wrote:  

(03-09-2021 12:59 PM)B_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(03-09-2021 12:30 PM)82hawk Wrote:  The writer said Boggs didn't fit the position he was asked to play.

That's fair, but I feel it didn't go far enough to state how out of place he was at the five, not by his own doing.

He did say it, but I guess it wasn't accusational enough.

Not really accusing as much as stating fact. Why did Boggs have to play the 5, and who's decision was it to put him there. Pretty simple

(03-08-2021 06:14 PM)82hawk Wrote:  4. Pridgen transferred to be on a contendor, not a complete rebuild. With a free transfer anywhere, he has a chance to get on an immediate contendor. As good as he was, he also isn't a prototype 4 in a Siddle system since he's not a really good three point shooter. He's an undersized PF and prefers to operate in the paint.

What makes you think Pridgen has a free transfer anywhere? It seems to me that he would have to sit out a year. My understanding was the waiver given back in December (that make him eligible this year) was just a one time thing. There is a plan on the table that was pushed off to next year that would allow anyone to transfer once without having to sit a year. Even if that passed, I would expect Pridgen to have to sit since this would be a second transfer. I would think he is in a sit 1 play 3 situation which is what he was expecting when he came to UNCW. I suppose after 2 years, he could immediately transfer again as a grad transfer if he graduates still having 2 years left. It is hard to keep up though so maybe I'm missing something.

(03-09-2021 01:45 PM)Water Boy Wrote:  

(03-08-2021 06:14 PM)82hawk Wrote:  4. Pridgen transferred to be on a contendor, not a complete rebuild. With a free transfer anywhere, he has a chance to get on an immediate contendor. As good as he was, he also isn't a prototype 4 in a Siddle system since he's not a really good three point shooter. He's an undersized PF and prefers to operate in the paint.

What makes you think Pridgen has a free transfer anywhere? It seems to me that he would have to sit out a year. My understanding was the waiver given back in December (that make him eligible this year) was just a one time thing. There is a plan on the table that was pushed off to next year that would allow anyone to transfer once without having to sit a year. Even if that passed, I would expect Pridgen to have to sit since this would be a second transfer. I would think he is in a sit 1 play 3 situation which is what he was expecting when he came to UNCW. I suppose after 2 years, he could immediately transfer again as a grad transfer if he graduates still having 2 years left. It is hard to keep up though so maybe I'm missing something.

I'm pretty sure that decision came about prior to the NCAA providing this year as a free COVID year, and essentially providing all players the option to a free transfer year for next year without sitting. It's honestly in any successful player's best interest to test those waters and see if they can land in a bigger program. I don't blame them. They're looking out for their current career and potential for professional ball.

In Pridgeon's case, he's now shown a personal ability to be successful at two different mid major schools. The way he plays, he's likely to draw some P6 attention. I highly doubt he's making this move after one year and looking to move laterally or down. Boggs is likely in the same boat there. The others, I don't really see getting P6 attention.

(03-09-2021 01:03 PM)82hawk Wrote:  

(03-09-2021 12:59 PM)B_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(03-09-2021 12:30 PM)82hawk Wrote:  The writer said Boggs didn't fit the position he was asked to play.

That's fair, but I feel it didn't go far enough to state how out of place he was at the five, not by his own doing.

He did say it, but I guess it wasn't accusational enough.

There's a huge different between an accusation and statement based on evidence.

Look, I don't harp on things as often as Hoops does. I know you grow weary of going back and forth with him on the same topics over and over. Sometimes, I grow weary of reading them. lol

However, I want Siddle to succeed here. I am a UNCW alum, and I give financially specifically to this team. I want to see them do well. There have been quite a few moments this year that I like what I see from Coach Siddle, and feel like he's improving what was a disaster of a program. I'm not about giving free passes on mistakes though. Playing Boggs at the 5 all year, IMO was a terrible decision. You're right in your other posts that we don't know the specific reasons for transfer. We likely never will. We're allowed to speculate though, because that's literally the point of having these fan forums and chatting with each other about it. End of the day, we speculate on daggum near anything and everything. I'm calling this one the way I see it though, and have a funny feeling being forced out of his normal position and losing confidence on the court, and perhaps in the staff MAY be a driving factor in him leaving. We can go back and forth on the extenuating circumstances of why that situation occurred, but Hoops beat that dead horse into ground meat. So, I don't really want to.

Suffice it to say, I want to be optimistic about next year. I wanted to be optimistic about this past year. There's bright spots here and there, but right now there's not enough to show me a reason to be optimistic. If we still had Pridgeon and Boggs going into next year it would be a completely different story. Right now, this is an absolute mess. I don't care who's fault it really is, and I just want it fixed.

(03-09-2021 12:31 PM)billthebighawksfan Wrote:  I like Jake but asking him to stay in front of an athletic wing is a tough ask and that is what some are advocating. He’s a stretch 4 that needs to play tougher and harder with an edge. Good kid as seems Joe Pridgen. Parents did a good job on them and also Dodd and Tolafree-really class guys it seems.

I don't see Boggs as a 4 unless he absolutely has to play there. He is a 3 in my mind and I feel pretty confident that is what he is looking for wherever he ends up. 6-8,200 tells me all I need to know about him guarding guys in the post.

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(03-09-2021 09:25 AM)B_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(03-08-2021 07:36 PM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  

(03-08-2021 02:32 PM)solohawks Wrote:  Big fan of Boggs. That's a shame

I am a big fan of Boggs transferring out of this system. He has a chance to be really good and it will not happen at UNCW.

Welcome back?

I didn't exactly understand his point, but I am glad The Mullet is back!

With even more roster turnover yesterday it got me thinking how many UNCW players actually played 4 years here in the past 10 seasons. Meaning they came in as a freshman and graduated from UNCW.

1. Jay Estime (hard to believe, since he was injured in two of those)
2. Devontae Cacok
3. Jordan Talley
4. Chuck Ogbodo
5. Craig Ponder
5. Dylan Sherwood
6. CJ Gettys
7. Cedrick Williams
8. Addison Spruill
9. Freddie Jackson
10. Tanner Milson
11. Shane Reybold
12. Keith Rendleman
13. Matt Wilson

(03-09-2021 09:29 PM)Seahawk2010 Wrote:  With even more roster turnover yesterday it got me thinking how many UNCW players actually played 4 years here in the past 10 seasons. Meaning they came in as a freshman and graduated from UNCW.

1. Jay Estime (hard to believe, since he was injured in two of those)
2. Devontae Cacok
3. Jordan Talley
4. Chuck Ogbodo
5. Craig Ponder
5. Dylan Sherwood
6. CJ Gettys
7. Cedrick Williams
8. Addison Spruill
9. Freddie Jackson
10. Tanner Milson
11. Shane Reybold
12. Keith Rendleman
13. Matt Wilson

Addison was a Juco transfer, only played 2 years. CJ Gettys transferred to Rutgers. I think the other 11 are correct

(03-09-2021 09:29 PM)Seahawk2010 Wrote:  With even more roster turnover yesterday it got me thinking how many UNCW players actually played 4 years here in the past 10 seasons. Meaning they came in as a freshman and graduated from UNCW.

1. Jay Estime (hard to believe, since he was injured in two of those)
2. Devontae Cacok
3. Jordan Talley
4. Chuck Ogbodo
5. Craig Ponder
5. Dylan Sherwood
6. CJ Gettys
7. Cedrick Williams
8. Addison Spruill
9. Freddie Jackson
10. Tanner Milson
11. Shane Reybold
12. Keith Rendleman
13. Matt Wilson

Well you made me google Chuck and that was interesting (made the news in 2018). He attempted to transfer at least once.

Shane came into the program as a walk on so does that really count?

Really a sad list there but I see several guys who we really never capitalized on their full 4 years. Rendleman, Ced, Cacok...

(03-10-2021 06:39 AM)getmhawks Wrote:  

(03-09-2021 09:29 PM)Seahawk2010 Wrote:  With even more roster turnover yesterday it got me thinking how many UNCW players actually played 4 years here in the past 10 seasons. Meaning they came in as a freshman and graduated from UNCW.

1. Jay Estime (hard to believe, since he was injured in two of those)
2. Devontae Cacok
3. Jordan Talley
4. Chuck Ogbodo
5. Craig Ponder
5. Dylan Sherwood
6. CJ Gettys
7. Cedrick Williams
8. Addison Spruill
9. Freddie Jackson
10. Tanner Milson
11. Shane Reybold
12. Keith Rendleman
13. Matt Wilson

Well you made me google Chuck and that was interesting (made the news in 2018). He attempted to transfer at least once.

Shane came into the program as a walk on so does that really count?

Really a sad list there but I see several guys who we really never capitalized on their full 4 years. Rendleman, Ced, Cacok...

Reybold is questionable to be included since he did start his career as a walk on. But I was grasping at straws.

Makes you appreciate Rendleman and Cacok even more for sticking it out, despite playing on some bad teams in their final years.

(03-10-2021 07:01 AM)Seahawk2010 Wrote:  

(03-10-2021 06:39 AM)getmhawks Wrote:  

(03-09-2021 09:29 PM)Seahawk2010 Wrote:  With even more roster turnover yesterday it got me thinking how many UNCW players actually played 4 years here in the past 10 seasons. Meaning they came in as a freshman and graduated from UNCW.

1. Jay Estime (hard to believe, since he was injured in two of those)
2. Devontae Cacok
3. Jordan Talley
4. Chuck Ogbodo
5. Craig Ponder
5. Dylan Sherwood
6. CJ Gettys
7. Cedrick Williams
8. Addison Spruill
9. Freddie Jackson
10. Tanner Milson
11. Shane Reybold
12. Keith Rendleman
13. Matt Wilson

Well you made me google Chuck and that was interesting (made the news in 2018). He attempted to transfer at least once.

Shane came into the program as a walk on so does that really count?

Really a sad list there but I see several guys who we really never capitalized on their full 4 years. Rendleman, Ced, Cacok...

Reybold is questionable to be included since he did start his career as a walk on. But I was grasping at straws.

Makes you appreciate Rendleman and Cacok even more for sticking it out, despite playing on some bad teams in their final years.

Crazy when you think about it. If you don't include Reybold Addison and CJ that's 10, and that is CRAZY!

If you look at the turnover of coaches and our awful seasons, it's not really a surprise. And the one chance we had for some continuity after a great stretch of success, we had the McGrath debacle instead of keeping Siddle. Had we kept continuity after Brownell(by keeping him or keeping an assistant as HC), none of this may have happened.

Since 2005 here are our coaches(2005 was Brownells last year)

Benny Moss- 2006-2010 (41-74)
Buzz Peterson - 2010-2014 (42-80)
Kevin Keatts - 2014-2017 (78-28) *Note almost as many wins in three years as previous 8 years
CB McGrath - 2017 -2020 (21-44)
T. Siddle - 2020-2021 (7-10)

In the last 15 years, we've had FOUR winning seasons, three of them belong to Keatts. That's pitiful.

(03-10-2021 08:52 AM)82hawk Wrote:  If you look at the turnover of coaches and our awful seasons, it's not really a surprise. And the one chance we had for some continuity after a great stretch of success, we had the McGrath debacle instead of keeping Siddle. Had we kept continuity after Brownell(by keeping him or keeping an assistant as HC), none of this may have happened.

Since 2005 here are our coaches(2005 was Brownells last year)

Benny Moss- 2006-2010 (41-74)
Buzz Peterson - 2010-2014 (42-80)
Kevin Keatts - 2014-2017 (78-28) *Note almost as many wins in three years as previous 8 years
CB McGrath - 2017 -2020 (21-44)

In the last 15 years, we've had FOUR winning seasons, three of them belong to Keatts. That's pitiful.

Sure is. And if the Siddle hire fails, and time will tell(hopefully not), Bass should rightfully be on the hot seat.

(03-09-2021 08:00 PM)70shawk Wrote:  

(03-09-2021 09:25 AM)B_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(03-08-2021 07:36 PM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  

(03-08-2021 02:32 PM)solohawks Wrote:  Big fan of Boggs. That's a shame

I am a big fan of Boggs transferring out of this system. He has a chance to be really good and it will not happen at UNCW.

Welcome back?

I didn't exactly understand his point, but I am glad The Mullet is back!

My point is that Boggs saw the hand writing on the wall and decided he didn't want to play center . I like him,his Dad is a good dude and they did not sign up for this. I support the player making the decision based on evidence-good for him.

(03-10-2021 08:55 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  

(03-10-2021 08:52 AM)82hawk Wrote:  If you look at the turnover of coaches and our awful seasons, it's not really a surprise. And the one chance we had for some continuity after a great stretch of success, we had the McGrath debacle instead of keeping Siddle. Had we kept continuity after Brownell(by keeping him or keeping an assistant as HC), none of this may have happened.

Since 2005 here are our coaches(2005 was Brownells last year)

Benny Moss- 2006-2010 (41-74)
Buzz Peterson - 2010-2014 (42-80)
Kevin Keatts - 2014-2017 (78-28) *Note almost as many wins in three years as previous 8 years
CB McGrath - 2017 -2020 (21-44)

In the last 15 years, we've had FOUR winning seasons, three of them belong to Keatts. That's pitiful.

Sure is. And if the Siddle hire fails, and time will tell(hopefully not), Bass should rightfully be on the hot seat.

I haven't lost confidence in Siddle, but if he doesn't work out there is no way I'm letting Bass make the next hire.

(03-10-2021 09:20 AM)bricksnivy Wrote:  

(03-10-2021 08:55 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  

(03-10-2021 08:52 AM)82hawk Wrote:  If you look at the turnover of coaches and our awful seasons, it's not really a surprise. And the one chance we had for some continuity after a great stretch of success, we had the McGrath debacle instead of keeping Siddle. Had we kept continuity after Brownell(by keeping him or keeping an assistant as HC), none of this may have happened.

Since 2005 here are our coaches(2005 was Brownells last year)

Benny Moss- 2006-2010 (41-74)
Buzz Peterson - 2010-2014 (42-80)
Kevin Keatts - 2014-2017 (78-28) *Note almost as many wins in three years as previous 8 years
CB McGrath - 2017 -2020 (21-44)

In the last 15 years, we've had FOUR winning seasons, three of them belong to Keatts. That's pitiful.

Sure is. And if the Siddle hire fails, and time will tell(hopefully not), Bass should rightfully be on the hot seat.

I haven't lost confidence in Siddle, but if he doesn't work out there is no way I'm letting Bass make the next hire.

I mean as critical as I am, Siddle definitely needs 2/3 years. So i agree. But if there is another hire, yeah, no way Bass can make it if that were the situation.

(03-10-2021 09:12 AM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  

(03-09-2021 08:00 PM)70shawk Wrote:  

(03-09-2021 09:25 AM)B_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(03-08-2021 07:36 PM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  

(03-08-2021 02:32 PM)solohawks Wrote:  Big fan of Boggs. That's a shame

I am a big fan of Boggs transferring out of this system. He has a chance to be really good and it will not happen at UNCW.

Welcome back?

I didn't exactly understand his point, but I am glad The Mullet is back!

My point is that Boggs saw the hand writing on the wall and decided he didn't want to play center . I like him,his Dad is a good dude and they did not sign up for this. I support the player making the decision based on evidence-good for him.

That's ridiculous. There is no way on earth Siddle saw Boggs as a long term 5. Had he known how bad Dodd and Bowen were at the 5, he'd have rescinded their scholarships and gone after some players for the 5. Boggs was a short term solution at the 5.

(03-10-2021 11:17 AM)82hawk Wrote:  

(03-10-2021 09:12 AM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  

(03-09-2021 08:00 PM)70shawk Wrote:  

(03-09-2021 09:25 AM)B_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(03-08-2021 07:36 PM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  I am a big fan of Boggs transferring out of this system. He has a chance to be really good and it will not happen at UNCW.

Welcome back?

I didn't exactly understand his point, but I am glad The Mullet is back!

My point is that Boggs saw the hand writing on the wall and decided he didn't want to play center . I like him,his Dad is a good dude and they did not sign up for this. I support the player making the decision based on evidence-good for him.

That's ridiculous. There is no way on earth Siddle saw Boggs as a long term 5. Had he known how bad Dodd and Bowen were at the 5, he'd have rescinded their scholarships and gone after some players for the 5. Boggs was a short term solution at the 5.

When a "short term solution" ends up costing a player a whole year(25% of their college ball) it's kind of a big deal. Dan spears posted his shooting stats since he started playing the 5, they were eye opening.