(02-26-2021 03:00 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  I've met a good number of SEC fans over the years who would like to see the SEC "kick out" Vanderbilt — and actually think that would be a good thing.

Barring a JRsec-esque scenario (which could happen, I admit), VU is going nowhere. We're in the SEC, whether these buffoons like it or not.

Schools like Vandy and Wake Forest are never getting kicked out. Conferences have and continue to use them to circumvent Sunshine Laws. Those schools also no where all the bodies are buried. Frankly I maintain nobody in the P5 is ever getting kicked out.

(02-26-2021 03:14 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(02-26-2021 03:00 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  I've met a good number of SEC fans over the years who would like to see the SEC "kick out" Vanderbilt — and actually think that would be a good thing.

Barring a JRsec-esque scenario (which could happen, I admit), VU is going nowhere. We're in the SEC, whether these buffoons like it or not.

Schools like Vandy and Wake Forest are never getting kicked out. Conferences have and continue to use them to circumvent Sunshine Laws. Those schools also no where all the bodies are buried. Frankly I maintain nobody in the P5 is ever getting kicked out.

They may not get kicked out, but if legislation makes the expense of staying too steep they may opt out. After all there will be other avenues that will open up for both academic association as well as less professional athletic ones. And for the record should a Vanderbilt bow out there's a T.C.U. waiting in the wings for those sunshine laws, and a Tulane waiting to replace Wake Forest.

(02-26-2021 03:14 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(02-26-2021 03:00 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  I've met a good number of SEC fans over the years who would like to see the SEC "kick out" Vanderbilt — and actually think that would be a good thing.

Barring a JRsec-esque scenario (which could happen, I admit), VU is going nowhere. We're in the SEC, whether these buffoons like it or not.

Schools like Vandy and Wake Forest are never getting kicked out. Conferences have and continue to use them to circumvent Sunshine Laws. Those schools also no where all the bodies are buried. Frankly I maintain nobody in the P5 is ever getting kicked out.

Agree that no one will be kicked out of these clubs. It’s fascinating how all the P5 conferences now have smaller private schools that are geographically near their conference headquarters. Wake is closest to Greensboro; Northwestern is in Chicago; Stanford is next to San Francisco; and TCU is closest to Dallas. Only the SEC has its headquarters closer to public universities, yet Vandy is still relatively close to Birmingham. The larger public schools may add value by winning championships in revenue sports, but the smaller privates appear to engage in less visible work.

(02-24-2021 01:54 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  The P5 will rue the day if they split off from the rest of the pack. Yes individually the G5/Indy schools don’t have the fan bases of the elites in the P5, but collectively it is a substantial number of eyeballs that will turn away from your new NFL “D” League.

To me it is just a bunch of middle aged, old white guys complaining about the good old days when the only got to watch a hand full of schools on TV each week and there were only 16 bowl games. I know of very few other industries that think contraction is the way to go.

i agree that the g5 has enough eyeball power right now to command a very good TV contract “ enough to survive long enough “ and challenge the autonomous conferences especially if they stay with olympic ice skating judges they call a committee
i want the G5 to act now and separate before all hell breaks lose like jrsec was saying
the potential for pay for play is likely and could change everything as we have it

(02-26-2021 05:23 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  

(02-24-2021 01:54 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  The P5 will rue the day if they split off from the rest of the pack. Yes individually the G5/Indy schools don’t have the fan bases of the elites in the P5, but collectively it is a substantial number of eyeballs that will turn away from your new NFL “D” League.

To me it is just a bunch of middle aged, old white guys complaining about the good old days when the only got to watch a hand full of schools on TV each week and there were only 16 bowl games. I know of very few other industries that think contraction is the way to go.

i agree that the g5 has enough eyeball power right now to command a very good TV contract “ enough to survive long enough “ and challenge the autonomous conferences especially if they stay with olympic ice skating judges they call a committee
i want the G5 to act now and separate before all hell breaks lose like jrsec was saying
the potential for pay for play is likely and could change everything as we have it

The G5 does not have enough eyeball power to command any better contracts than they have now. And if the P5 were to break away (and why would they?), fans of G5 schools would still watch the P5 games, just like they do now. The G5 has no reason to want to separate from the P5.

(02-26-2021 01:09 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  Which President, or Presidents, would be the historical figurehead of officially "kicking" out multiple schools that have shared decades-long associations with? I don't think you will find a single President willing to do that, even for a few million more. If there is, it would have to be an out-going President, or retiring one, for the anger and complaints to be directed towards. It is very difficult to just throw away associations at the drop of a hat for money. Realignment isn't The Godfather here.

Expansion is driven by politics. The money is the luxury item, if there is more to be made.

I merely posited a way in which contraction could happen. However, university presidents serve at the pleasure of a university's Board of Trustees. Many of those trustees are often also hard core fans of the athletic teams. You may recall, for example, that a FSU trustee pushed pretty hard for their AD to have discussions with the Big XII (https://miami.cbslocal.com/2012/05/12/fs...big-xii/). Or that the Auburn trustees played a significant role in Malzahn getting the ax (https://www.al.com/auburnfootball/2020/1...rch.html). Or maybe former Ohio State president Karen Holbrook, who was effectively fired after she cracked down on tailgating at Ohio State games because fans were unruly, and the Board of Trustees forced her to resign (https://www.cleveland19.com/story/700601...zed-job/).

It's no secret that there's angst in the Pac-12. The presidents agreed to let Larry Scott go. The boosters of the more successful schools are pissed off that their revenues have dipped considerably. Schools like Oregon (and Oregon State, for that matter) have become somewhat privatized (https://psmag.com/education/breaking-awa...te-68007), freeing them from some of the political pressure that forced them to exist under a single organization. In other words, the University of Oregon is no longer tied at the hip to Oregon State, and the state (because they no longer fund much of the university) doesn't really have the legal ability to force them to stay in the same conference.

TL;DR - I'm not saying it's going to happen, but I am saying that it could happen.

USFFan

(02-26-2021 05:23 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  

(02-24-2021 01:54 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  The P5 will rue the day if they split off from the rest of the pack. Yes individually the G5/Indy schools don’t have the fan bases of the elites in the P5, but collectively it is a substantial number of eyeballs that will turn away from your new NFL “D” League.

To me it is just a bunch of middle aged, old white guys complaining about the good old days when the only got to watch a hand full of schools on TV each week and there were only 16 bowl games. I know of very few other industries that think contraction is the way to go.

i agree that the g5 has enough eyeball power right now to command a very good TV contract “ enough to survive long enough “ and challenge the autonomous conferences especially if they stay with olympic ice skating judges they call a committee
i want the G5 to act now and separate before all hell breaks lose like jrsec was saying
the potential for pay for play is likely and could change everything as we have it

You've been pushing that for a long time. I am 100% confident that USF and UCF, for example, will do anything it takes to stay in the same classification as Florida and FSU, and will fight any attempt to be relegated to a second class citizenship in any formal way, even if they're informally already there. They for damn sure will never willingly do this. I'm also pretty confident that Cincinnati, Memphis and Houston would never do this, either. I can't fathom how anybody who purports to be a fan of one of those schools would even consider it.



USFFan

(02-26-2021 07:15 PM)usffan Wrote:  

(02-26-2021 05:23 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  

(02-24-2021 01:54 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  The P5 will rue the day if they split off from the rest of the pack. Yes individually the G5/Indy schools don’t have the fan bases of the elites in the P5, but collectively it is a substantial number of eyeballs that will turn away from your new NFL “D” League.

To me it is just a bunch of middle aged, old white guys complaining about the good old days when the only got to watch a hand full of schools on TV each week and there were only 16 bowl games. I know of very few other industries that think contraction is the way to go.

i agree that the g5 has enough eyeball power right now to command a very good TV contract “ enough to survive long enough “ and challenge the autonomous conferences especially if they stay with olympic ice skating judges they call a committee
i want the G5 to act now and separate before all hell breaks lose like jrsec was saying
the potential for pay for play is likely and could change everything as we have it

You've been pushing that for a long time. I am 100% confident that USF and UCF, for example, will do anything it takes to stay in the same classification as Florida and FSU, and will fight any attempt to be relegated to a second class citizenship in any formal way, even if they're informally already there. They for damn sure will never willingly do this. I'm also pretty confident that Cincinnati, Memphis and Houston would never do this, either. I can't fathom how anybody who purports to be a fan of one of those schools would even consider it.



USFFan

By 2036 the oldest living Boomers will be 90. Those born in '56 will be 80, and those born in '62 (arguably the last year of the Boom) will be 74.

How is this important to Central Florida and South Florida? When the Boomers are statistically no loner relevant, or dead, the vast living alumni advantages of Florida State and Florida will be negated. If the SEC and ACC want to control the Florida markets they will have to include Central Florida and South Florida in order to do so.

Personally I would love to see the SEC expand to 18 with the final spot being for South Florida. I like the location for conference marketing of sporting events like football. It would be easy for Disney to make weekend football cruises available between Tampa / St. Pete, Mobile, Biloxi, New Orleans, Houston, and Corpus Christi or Galveston. You would have rooms in the resort areas, take buses straight to the stadia, enjoy the games, and travel to and from the venue in the comfort of a cruise ship (post COVID of course). I think that as mega stadia begin to experience smaller crowds due to disposable income, inflation, and HD TV, that selling vacation packages for particular games in the Fall may well replace the Bowl Game experience especially if playoffs are expanded.

The ACC is perfectly positioned to do this along the Atlantic Coast and with South Florida and Texas the SEC would be perfectly positioned to do it within the Gulf. People who may not buy season tickets might well purchase such weekends, especially if they required only a Friday and Monday of vacation time to make it something special.

Those marketing college football are going to have to start getting creative. And conferences had better start thinking 10 to 20 years down the road because the times they are a changing. Florida will remain a key state with growing population. The days of controlling advertising with 1 school in a state that large are already over and the ACC and SEC already behind the curve on responding, in part because of protectionism. But conferences will need to protect their turf. So I can see South Florida and Central Florida making that jump sooner than most.

By 2037 the demand for college football will be less than it is now. Younger alumni aren’t as passionate about the sport or their universities.

I wouldn’t be surprised if we don’t start seeing some virtue signaling administrators start deemphasizing revenue sports as they no longer find it en vogue to operate such programs.

(02-26-2021 07:15 PM)usffan Wrote:  

(02-26-2021 05:23 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  

(02-24-2021 01:54 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  The P5 will rue the day if they split off from the rest of the pack. Yes individually the G5/Indy schools don’t have the fan bases of the elites in the P5, but collectively it is a substantial number of eyeballs that will turn away from your new NFL “D” League.

To me it is just a bunch of middle aged, old white guys complaining about the good old days when the only got to watch a hand full of schools on TV each week and there were only 16 bowl games. I know of very few other industries that think contraction is the way to go.

i agree that the g5 has enough eyeball power right now to command a very good TV contract “ enough to survive long enough “ and challenge the autonomous conferences especially if they stay with olympic ice skating judges they call a committee
i want the G5 to act now and separate before all hell breaks lose like jrsec was saying
the potential for pay for play is likely and could change everything as we have it

You've been pushing that for a long time. I am 100% confident that USF and UCF, for example, will do anything it takes to stay in the same classification as Florida and FSU, and will fight any attempt to be relegated to a second class citizenship in any formal way, even if they're informally already there. They for damn sure will never willingly do this. I'm also pretty confident that Cincinnati, Memphis and Houston would never do this, either. I can't fathom how anybody who purports to be a fan of one of those schools would even consider it.



USFFan

iam a UofH fan, especially golf.
i fully appreciate your opinions as i myself are worried of slipping further behind the autonomous conferences
but when you say “ regulated to second class “, guess what, we are already second class , i mean tell me where we are first class ? we’re D1 yes
what else ?

(02-26-2021 07:15 PM)usffan Wrote:  

(02-26-2021 05:23 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  

(02-24-2021 01:54 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  The P5 will rue the day if they split off from the rest of the pack. Yes individually the G5/Indy schools don’t have the fan bases of the elites in the P5, but collectively it is a substantial number of eyeballs that will turn away from your new NFL “D” League.

To me it is just a bunch of middle aged, old white guys complaining about the good old days when the only got to watch a hand full of schools on TV each week and there were only 16 bowl games. I know of very few other industries that think contraction is the way to go.

i agree that the g5 has enough eyeball power right now to command a very good TV contract “ enough to survive long enough “ and challenge the autonomous conferences especially if they stay with olympic ice skating judges they call a committee
i want the G5 to act now and separate before all hell breaks lose like jrsec was saying
the potential for pay for play is likely and could change everything as we have it

You've been pushing that for a long time. I am 100% confident that USF and UCF, for example, will do anything it takes to stay in the same classification as Florida and FSU, and will fight any attempt to be relegated to a second class citizenship in any formal way, even if they're informally already there.

We already are second-class citizens in several formal ways - G5 status within the CFP contract and non-autonomy status within the NCAA.

One other nit - while UCF has never been 'relegated' to that status because they were never "first class" citizens to begin with, we were, as a result of the collapse of the AQ Big East in 2011-2012.

How much Florida and FSU gear do you see on the campuses of UCF and USF? Genuinely curious.

I can’t imagine an SEC team in a pro stadium.

(02-27-2021 09:33 AM)esayem Wrote:  How much Florida and FSU gear do you see on the campuses of UCF and USF? Genuinely curious.

I can’t imagine an SEC team in a pro stadium.

They would have to have their own. Demographics are about to turn an aging post WWII world on its head. We just need to be ready.

(02-26-2021 07:41 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(02-26-2021 07:15 PM)usffan Wrote:  

(02-26-2021 05:23 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  

(02-24-2021 01:54 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  The P5 will rue the day if they split off from the rest of the pack. Yes individually the G5/Indy schools don’t have the fan bases of the elites in the P5, but collectively it is a substantial number of eyeballs that will turn away from your new NFL “D” League.

To me it is just a bunch of middle aged, old white guys complaining about the good old days when the only got to watch a hand full of schools on TV each week and there were only 16 bowl games. I know of very few other industries that think contraction is the way to go.

i agree that the g5 has enough eyeball power right now to command a very good TV contract “ enough to survive long enough “ and challenge the autonomous conferences especially if they stay with olympic ice skating judges they call a committee
i want the G5 to act now and separate before all hell breaks lose like jrsec was saying
the potential for pay for play is likely and could change everything as we have it

You've been pushing that for a long time. I am 100% confident that USF and UCF, for example, will do anything it takes to stay in the same classification as Florida and FSU, and will fight any attempt to be relegated to a second class citizenship in any formal way, even if they're informally already there. They for damn sure will never willingly do this. I'm also pretty confident that Cincinnati, Memphis and Houston would never do this, either. I can't fathom how anybody who purports to be a fan of one of those schools would even consider it.



USFFan

By 2036 the oldest living Boomers will be 90. Those born in '56 will be 80, and those born in '62 (arguably the last year of the Boom) will be 74.

How is this important to Central Florida and South Florida? When the Boomers are statistically no loner relevant, or dead, the vast living alumni advantages of Florida State and Florida will be negated. If the SEC and ACC want to control the Florida markets they will have to include Central Florida and South Florida in order to do so.

Personally I would love to see the SEC expand to 18 with the final spot being for South Florida. I like the location for conference marketing of sporting events like football. It would be easy for Disney to make weekend football cruises available between Tampa / St. Pete, Mobile, Biloxi, New Orleans, Houston, and Corpus Christi or Galveston. You would have rooms in the resort areas, take buses straight to the stadia, enjoy the games, and travel to and from the venue in the comfort of a cruise ship (post COVID of course). I think that as mega stadia begin to experience smaller crowds due to disposable income, inflation, and HD TV, that selling vacation packages for particular games in the Fall may well replace the Bowl Game experience especially if playoffs are expanded.

The ACC is perfectly positioned to do this along the Atlantic Coast and with South Florida and Texas the SEC would be perfectly positioned to do it within the Gulf. People who may not buy season tickets might well purchase such weekends, especially if they required only a Friday and Monday of vacation time to make it something special.

Those marketing college football are going to have to start getting creative. And conferences had better start thinking 10 to 20 years down the road because the times they are a changing. Florida will remain a key state with growing population. The days of controlling advertising with 1 school in a state that large are already over and the ACC and SEC already behind the curve on responding, in part because of protectionism. But conferences will need to protect their turf. So I can see South Florida and Central Florida making that jump sooner than most.

I love the concept of marketing a cruise and game experience as a package for coastal venues. Maybe sweeten the deal by promising passengers a free case of Norwalk virus or guarantee a day or two of sea-sickness. I believe the concept would also enhance the experience for fans of other conferences. Imagine a three-week trip in a Conestoga wagon to attend a game in Norman or Salt Lake City. An escorted ride with the Hells Angels up Highway 1 from Compton to Oakland might attract some Cal fans. Or how about a float-trip on the Erie Canal for a Syracuse game or leisurely mule-ride on the old Natchez Trace from Natchez to Nashville for game at Vanderbilt? The possibilities are almost endless.

A lot can happen in between now and 2037. Right now I see the Florida pecking order as

1) Florida (and it's not even close)

2) Florida State
3) Miami
4) UCF
5) USF

I don't live in Florida but I'd have to guess Florida and Florida State are the "state" schools with Florida the "first choice" school and Central Florida and South Florida the local schools or maybe commuter schools like Cincinnati or Houston are. Temple is popular here in Philly and is essentially the city school but during football season Penn State gets the most attention and during basketball season Villanova does. I'd have to believe the top high school seniors in the Philly area would rather go to PSU than Temple. I'd guess that would be the case in Florida with Orlando and Tampa rather going to UF or FSU than UCF or USF and in Cincinnati rather going to Ohio State but I haven't been 18 in almost 30 years. As for Miami, being a private school is a totally different beast. When Miami was competing for national championships, I'm sure they owned South Florida. Now they probably don't. I guess the question now is if the Tampa area is really important for the SEC where does USF rank in popularity among the Florida schools or the better question is where do you see them ranking in the future? Orlando isn't that far from Tampa, maybe UCF breaks away from USF and becomes #3 in the state or even #2 if FSU can't get their act together. If the SEC had to take a Florida team now to improve their Florida fan base (assuming no GOR's), Florida State should still be the choice. USF is a future choice at best.

(02-27-2021 10:31 AM)colohank Wrote:  

(02-26-2021 07:41 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(02-26-2021 07:15 PM)usffan Wrote:  

(02-26-2021 05:23 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  

(02-24-2021 01:54 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  The P5 will rue the day if they split off from the rest of the pack. Yes individually the G5/Indy schools don’t have the fan bases of the elites in the P5, but collectively it is a substantial number of eyeballs that will turn away from your new NFL “D” League.

To me it is just a bunch of middle aged, old white guys complaining about the good old days when the only got to watch a hand full of schools on TV each week and there were only 16 bowl games. I know of very few other industries that think contraction is the way to go.

i agree that the g5 has enough eyeball power right now to command a very good TV contract “ enough to survive long enough “ and challenge the autonomous conferences especially if they stay with olympic ice skating judges they call a committee
i want the G5 to act now and separate before all hell breaks lose like jrsec was saying
the potential for pay for play is likely and could change everything as we have it

You've been pushing that for a long time. I am 100% confident that USF and UCF, for example, will do anything it takes to stay in the same classification as Florida and FSU, and will fight any attempt to be relegated to a second class citizenship in any formal way, even if they're informally already there. They for damn sure will never willingly do this. I'm also pretty confident that Cincinnati, Memphis and Houston would never do this, either. I can't fathom how anybody who purports to be a fan of one of those schools would even consider it.



USFFan

By 2036 the oldest living Boomers will be 90. Those born in '56 will be 80, and those born in '62 (arguably the last year of the Boom) will be 74.

How is this important to Central Florida and South Florida? When the Boomers are statistically no loner relevant, or dead, the vast living alumni advantages of Florida State and Florida will be negated. If the SEC and ACC want to control the Florida markets they will have to include Central Florida and South Florida in order to do so.

Personally I would love to see the SEC expand to 18 with the final spot being for South Florida. I like the location for conference marketing of sporting events like football. It would be easy for Disney to make weekend football cruises available between Tampa / St. Pete, Mobile, Biloxi, New Orleans, Houston, and Corpus Christi or Galveston. You would have rooms in the resort areas, take buses straight to the stadia, enjoy the games, and travel to and from the venue in the comfort of a cruise ship (post COVID of course). I think that as mega stadia begin to experience smaller crowds due to disposable income, inflation, and HD TV, that selling vacation packages for particular games in the Fall may well replace the Bowl Game experience especially if playoffs are expanded.

The ACC is perfectly positioned to do this along the Atlantic Coast and with South Florida and Texas the SEC would be perfectly positioned to do it within the Gulf. People who may not buy season tickets might well purchase such weekends, especially if they required only a Friday and Monday of vacation time to make it something special.

Those marketing college football are going to have to start getting creative. And conferences had better start thinking 10 to 20 years down the road because the times they are a changing. Florida will remain a key state with growing population. The days of controlling advertising with 1 school in a state that large are already over and the ACC and SEC already behind the curve on responding, in part because of protectionism. But conferences will need to protect their turf. So I can see South Florida and Central Florida making that jump sooner than most.

I love the concept of marketing a cruise and game experience as a package for coastal venues. Maybe sweeten the deal by promising passengers a free case of Norwalk virus or guarantee a day or two of sea-sickness. I believe the concept would also enhance the experience for fans of other conferences. Imagine a three-week trip in a Conestoga wagon to attend a game in Norman or Salt Lake City. An escorted ride with the Hells Angels up Highway 1 from Compton to Oakland might attract some Cal fans. Or how about a float-trip on the Erie Canal for a Syracuse game or leisurely mule-ride on the old Natchez Trace from Natchez to Nashville for game at Vanderbilt? The possibilities are almost endless.

I'll get you a Conestoga and hire some hostiles to enhance your experience. I'm sure the Hell Angels would entertain you for free.

Disney does own cruise ships, oodles of people love them, and when the virus issue dies down I should think they will be viable again. But the conflation of the modes of transportation across epochs was amusing. Perhaps we can find the Youngers and James' to hold up trains on the plains. Or if a Texas school ever joins the Big 10 have a cattle drive to Chicago!

(02-26-2021 03:23 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(02-26-2021 03:14 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(02-26-2021 03:00 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  I've met a good number of SEC fans over the years who would like to see the SEC "kick out" Vanderbilt — and actually think that would be a good thing.

Barring a JRsec-esque scenario (which could happen, I admit), VU is going nowhere. We're in the SEC, whether these buffoons like it or not.

Schools like Vandy and Wake Forest are never getting kicked out. Conferences have and continue to use them to circumvent Sunshine Laws. Those schools also no where all the bodies are buried. Frankly I maintain nobody in the P5 is ever getting kicked out.

They may not get kicked out, but if legislation makes the expense of staying too steep they may opt out. After all there will be other avenues that will open up for both academic association as well as less professional athletic ones. And for the record should a Vanderbilt bow out there's a T.C.U. waiting in the wings for those sunshine laws, and a Tulane waiting to replace Wake Forest.

Tulane? Seriously?

(02-27-2021 10:47 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(02-26-2021 03:23 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(02-26-2021 03:14 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(02-26-2021 03:00 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  I've met a good number of SEC fans over the years who would like to see the SEC "kick out" Vanderbilt — and actually think that would be a good thing.

Barring a JRsec-esque scenario (which could happen, I admit), VU is going nowhere. We're in the SEC, whether these buffoons like it or not.

Schools like Vandy and Wake Forest are never getting kicked out. Conferences have and continue to use them to circumvent Sunshine Laws. Those schools also no where all the bodies are buried. Frankly I maintain nobody in the P5 is ever getting kicked out.

They may not get kicked out, but if legislation makes the expense of staying too steep they may opt out. After all there will be other avenues that will open up for both academic association as well as less professional athletic ones. And for the record should a Vanderbilt bow out there's a T.C.U. waiting in the wings for those sunshine laws, and a Tulane waiting to replace Wake Forest.

Tulane? Seriously?

Tulane? They are AAU and Wake is not. They do bring a new market and Wake does not. They are looking to upgrade and Wake pretty much just holds on, kind of like Vandy. So if you need a private for the Sunshine laws, and admittedly the ACC has plenty, Tulane probably would be better for the ACC than Wake Forest from a purely business standpoint and an argument could be made for the academic swap, unless of course you are part of the North Carolina contingent which 11 current members of the ACC aren't.

And then for those not paying attention this is the offseason and I have been making posts to spur conversation so there's that. And for the most part off handed and slightly provocative posts sprinkled around have been doing that.

Oh, and not only is it the offseason, but baseball started late, basketball feels totally disjointed and the usual suspects aren't performing up to speed, and there's the biggest election hangover ever. If you haven't noticed traffic is down here and at many many other sites. People are turning off to sports and turning off to most everything except the streaming services where they've found they can avoid the news, avoid protests, and relax.

So while farfetched, if you are replacing Wake then Tulane by comparison has some merit. I would think especially for that minority of ACC fan who actually believes Texas is coming, and I am not referring to you.

Tulane gets 12,000 butts in the seat at Yulman Stadium on a good day-- 1,000 for hoops. Put them in the P5 and they'll incrementally get to 25,000 and maybe 2,000 for hoops. Obviously that is better than a school like Cincinnati that already gets 40,000 in football and 12,000 for hoops or UCF who is rocking over 40K in FB and improving their hoops brand.

The AAU thing is useless. ECU and Memphis have been in a conference with the Green Wave for nearly 25 years and those schools are still regarded as third rate academically (no offense to ECU or Memphis).

(02-27-2021 11:34 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Tulane gets 12,000 butts in the seat at Yulman Stadium on a good day-- 1,000 for hoops. Put them in the P5 and they'll incrementally get to 25,000 and maybe 2,000 for hoops. Obviously that is better than a school like Cincinnati that already gets 40,000 in football and 12,000 for hoops or UCF who is rocking over 40K in FB and improving their hoops brand.

The AAU thing is useless. ECU and Memphis have been in a conference with the Green Wave for nearly 25 years and those schools are still regarded as third rate academically (no offense to ECU or Memphis).

I wouldn't say useless but let's not get carried away. No one's itching for Emory, Brandeis, or Washington University in St. Louis to join their conference.