(02-26-2021 12:56 AM)JMUNation Wrote: (02-25-2021 10:49 PM)Longhorn Wrote: (02-25-2021 09:29 PM)82hawk Wrote: (02-25-2021 10:54 AM)JMUNation Wrote: BJK: I respect your point of view. You and I can play the stat came until we die. The eye test and common sense has to prevail with decision making. Lockdowns and immunizations haven’t decreased the severity of this disease. They have just spread them out over a longer period of time. Lockdowns don’t protect Senior citizens because the workers in their communities bring the disease to them.
You throw out 500k deaths which is a lot but you didn’t drill down on that number like I did. The information is on the CDC website. It is clear and plain. Nothing to argue about. We are locking down our country to protect the over 65 population who are still dying with Covid-19 not necessarily because of it. Why not allow the retirement communities to continue to protect their population while letting the rest of the world to go back to life usual? Lockdowns are not saving lives in the long term. They are delaying the ability to get to herd immunity.
If the deaths were occurring in the 20-40 age group like the Spanish Flu then lockdowns would make sense.
"The eye test and common sense has to prevail with decision making. Lockdowns and immunizations haven’t decreased the severity of this disease. They have just spread them out over a longer period of time."
Bingo!
FYI, this was a known outcome from the beginning. Thus the concept of "flatten the curve"
The “eye test” and “common sense” outweighs factual, scientific data?
Okay.
Is the data being shared by the CDC good enough for you? Have you read it? I have. The CDC data and the “eye test” align with each other but go ahead and take one sentence from a long post so you can change the context of what was shared.
Name one amateur or professional athlete that has died from Covid. Lots of positive tests. No hospitalizations nor deaths. Why is this? Could it be because they are in great physical condition and not insulin resistant?
What scientific data are you referring to? Are you saying the CDC information is wrong?
Nice try at CYA.
Are you confident that out of over the 500k+ COVID related deaths (and counting) there are zero athletes? Amateur or professional? How many COVID deaths of people that you would describe as “athletic” would it take to make your thesis null and void? One? Two? Several hundred or a thousand? You might want to rethink your rather hyperbolic claim that no athletes have died of COVID.
As for CDC data that has guided our best attempts to understand this horrible virus, I don’t think the “eye test” is a CDC measurement.
Interpretation of scientific data (just like specialized data from other fields of professional knowledge) will almost always vary depending on the training, level of education, experience and background of the person (or persons) doing the interpreting. But making an important decision based on an “eye test”? Really? That’s how you roll with other important decisions in your life?
One of the reasons the Mayo Clinic is so highly thought of is their collaborative methods of consultation between a number of medical specialists in diagnosing and treating health needs. The CDC operates in much the same way.
“Common sense” is always appreciated, but my reading of CDC data or recommendations is not the question here. My “common sense” is of little value in deciphering highly complex scientific data. I’m not trained or educated to do that. “Common sense” only comes into play as it informs my willingness to trust and then practice CDC and other appropriate health agency guidelines when trying to protect myself and family from the virus.
As a child we might be told by a parent not to touch the stove top because it’s hot, yet, some of us will touch it anyway. “Common sense” will tell us not to touch it again, still we’ve got to deal with the initial burned fingers. An old country song by Merle Haggard comes to mind...with the lyric “I turned 21 in prison doing life with no parole...Mama always told me better”
It’s said wisdom to make the right decision comes from experience, and that experience comes from making poor decisions. It would appear that there is a pandemic of stubborn independence at play in our country over how to respond to COVID medical advice. It’s a stubbornness that clings to an immature notion that an “eye test” can guide us (some variation of I can’t see the virus, so it must not be real) or “only 10% of the country has caught it and most people recover” so I’ll take my chances.
In another thread (the one on whether we would have sports in the Fall of 2020...the thread is now locked in OT) I shared an insight from a medical pro at another university about the trajectory of COVID deaths in the U.S.
I can’t remember the exact date of my post (it was around late Spring or early Summer), and the insight from my medical pro was that there would be 300k deaths attributable to COVID by March, 2021...the anniversary of COVID’s nasty breakout. One of the responses to that post was a cry of disbelief and denial.
Most all of us are suffering from COVID fatigue, and I don’t mean to beat you up Nation, or BDK or any of the other fine JMU sports fans who are essentially “COVID Deniers”...or at the very least, in the camp that want to minimize the impact of this terrible virus. Yet, I am tired not so much of the isolation and restrictions placed on us by this disease, but on the unwillingness to accept the reality of this virus, and that if we would all just put aside our objections for a short period of time we could return to a more normal life.
End of rant.