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RE: Tracking the return of JMU sports (NO more discussions of validity of covid pandemic)
(Yesterday 03:49 PM)14SemesterDuke Wrote:  You all have to ruin every thread, don't you? Find someone on Facebook or some $hit to argue with.

Discussion Fatigue is strong with this one
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RE: Tracking the return of JMU sports (NO more discussions of validity of covid pandemic)
(Yesterday 04:13 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  
(Yesterday 12:10 PM)Centdukesfan Wrote:  
(Yesterday 11:44 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  
(Yesterday 11:15 AM)Centdukesfan Wrote:  
(Yesterday 10:34 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  Closer to 98% just based on that data but both the number infected and the number of deaths are likely significantly undercounted. Wait until the excess deaths for 2020 are released, it was the deadliest year in a century. Plus about 10% or so that do survive are "longhaulers". There's good reason to be cautious. "Living in fear" is propaganda.

Isnt every year usually the deadliest year in history? I also think its worth noting we have had pretty mild flu years for the last two, which may have contributed to excess deaths this year.

COVID is very real, it caused significant excess deaths, particularly in the frail and over 65 community. This is not controversial. What is controversial is what we are alleging is helping the problem. Over testing asymptomatic people, locking down and closing schools have all been catastrophic public health failures because they do nothing to appreciably stop the spread of covid.

No. What's the flu have to do with excess deaths? What makes you think that those measures aren't slowing the spread if the virus? The spread in schools may be relatively low (though would you have been willing to bet on that last fall if you were an administrator) but the spread in bars is very high, thus "lockdown" measures such as cutting off alcohol sales at 10pm. You only have to look at Sweden and it's neighbors to tell if lockdowns have any appreciable effect. 12,800 deaths in Sweden, that's 1,262/M compared to it's closest neighbor Norway which has 600 deaths at 114/M.
When there are less deaths from contagious disease over a period of years, there is a group of people that would have likely passed if they had caught the disease in that period. They are considered to be the most vulnerable in a population. This is the dry tinder theory. It is just one of a multifactor explanation for high excess mortality in 2020. It is not the only explanation, but certainly is a factor.

JMU sucks in all sports and in life!

There's some of those and we might see some corrections in the next 5-10 years since most are older. But it's clearly not the case that all these people were on their deathbed. Most were robbed of years not months. I'm out, congrats on your basketball season, nice turn around with Coach B!
Wait that's all it took to drive away the ODUh fan? Could have wrapped it up a long time ago.
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RE: Tracking the return of JMU sports (NO more discussions of validity of covid pandemic)
(Yesterday 10:54 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  BJK: I respect your point of view. You and I can play the stat came until we die. The eye test and common sense has to prevail with decision making. Lockdowns and immunizations haven’t decreased the severity of this disease. They have just spread them out over a longer period of time. Lockdowns don’t protect Senior citizens because the workers in their communities bring the disease to them.

You through out 500k deaths which is a lot but you didn’t drill down on that number like I did. The information is on the CDC website. It is clear and plain. Nothing to argue about. We are locking down our country to protect the over 65 population who are still dying with Covid-19 not necessarily because of it. Why not allow the retirement communities to continue to protect their population while letting the rest of the world to go back to life usual? Lockdowns are not saving lives in the long term. They are delaying the ability to get to herd immunity.

If the deaths were occurring in the 20-40 age group like the Spanish Flu then lockdowns would make sense.

"The eye test and common sense has to prevail with decision making. Lockdowns and immunizations haven’t decreased the severity of this disease. They have just spread them out over a longer period of time."

Bingo!

FYI, this was a known outcome from the beginning. Thus the concept of "flatten the curve"
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RE: Tracking the return of JMU sports (NO more discussions of validity of covid pandemic)
(Yesterday 09:29 PM)82hawk Wrote:  
(Yesterday 10:54 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  BJK: I respect your point of view. You and I can play the stat came until we die. The eye test and common sense has to prevail with decision making. Lockdowns and immunizations haven’t decreased the severity of this disease. They have just spread them out over a longer period of time. Lockdowns don’t protect Senior citizens because the workers in their communities bring the disease to them.

You through out 500k deaths which is a lot but you didn’t drill down on that number like I did. The information is on the CDC website. It is clear and plain. Nothing to argue about. We are locking down our country to protect the over 65 population who are still dying with Covid-19 not necessarily because of it. Why not allow the retirement communities to continue to protect their population while letting the rest of the world to go back to life usual? Lockdowns are not saving lives in the long term. They are delaying the ability to get to herd immunity.

If the deaths were occurring in the 20-40 age group like the Spanish Flu then lockdowns would make sense.

"The eye test and common sense has to prevail with decision making. Lockdowns and immunizations haven’t decreased the severity of this disease. They have just spread them out over a longer period of time."

Bingo!

FYI, this was a known outcome from the beginning. Thus the concept of "flatten the curve"

The “eye test” and “common sense” outweighs factual, scientific data?

Okay. 01-wingedeagle
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RE: Tracking the return of JMU sports (NO more discussions of validity of covid pandemic)
(Yesterday 10:49 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  
(Yesterday 09:29 PM)82hawk Wrote:  
(Yesterday 10:54 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  BJK: I respect your point of view. You and I can play the stat came until we die. The eye test and common sense has to prevail with decision making. Lockdowns and immunizations haven’t decreased the severity of this disease. They have just spread them out over a longer period of time. Lockdowns don’t protect Senior citizens because the workers in their communities bring the disease to them.

You throw out 500k deaths which is a lot but you didn’t drill down on that number like I did. The information is on the CDC website. It is clear and plain. Nothing to argue about. We are locking down our country to protect the over 65 population who are still dying with Covid-19 not necessarily because of it. Why not allow the retirement communities to continue to protect their population while letting the rest of the world to go back to life usual? Lockdowns are not saving lives in the long term. They are delaying the ability to get to herd immunity.

If the deaths were occurring in the 20-40 age group like the Spanish Flu then lockdowns would make sense.

"The eye test and common sense has to prevail with decision making. Lockdowns and immunizations haven’t decreased the severity of this disease. They have just spread them out over a longer period of time."

Bingo!

FYI, this was a known outcome from the beginning. Thus the concept of "flatten the curve"

The “eye test” and “common sense” outweighs factual, scientific data?

Okay. 01-wingedeagle

Is the data being shared by the CDC good enough for you? Have you read it? I have. The CDC data and the “eye test” align with each other but go ahead and take one sentence from a long post so you can change the context of what was shared.

Name one amateur or professional athlete that has died from Covid. Lots of positive tests. No hospitalizations nor deaths. Why is this? Could it be because they are in great physical condition and not insulin resistant?

What scientific data are you referring to? Are you saying the CDC information is wrong?
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