(02-24-2021 03:25 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  

(02-24-2021 02:41 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(02-24-2021 02:03 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(02-24-2021 01:37 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  Trump running again vs a D would be an instant L. Keep his fighting spirit, keep his policies, but not the man himself. Need someone less controversial. I know Democrats make every Republican Hitler incarnate, but things like Trump University were public knowledge & gave him a bad rap even before he announced he was running.

In regards to the Republican Party & Romney, the problem is moderates win elections. Even in the Primaries. You're never ever going to see a true conservative in office, especially on a national level.

That's the thing, deep down Trump doesn't want another Republican to win, even if he runs on "Trump policies". Right now, Trump is the winner. The last successful Republican. Trump's narrative is ruined if Cruz, Hawley, Pompeo, Pence, etc actually win in 2024.

Agreed with both of you and your points. He cost the Republicans the senate due to how he handled Georgia after he lost the election. He publicly put himself at odds with the Republicans in office there, then his lawyers told people not to vote. It was assininine. Now we have to live with a Democratic legislature and Democratic President. No checks and balances when it comes to policy for 2 years.

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No way was GA ever gonna go Red in the run-off.

If past is prologue, it always went red in run-offs.

(02-24-2021 03:28 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(02-24-2021 03:25 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  

(02-24-2021 02:41 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(02-24-2021 02:03 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(02-24-2021 01:37 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  Trump running again vs a D would be an instant L. Keep his fighting spirit, keep his policies, but not the man himself. Need someone less controversial. I know Democrats make every Republican Hitler incarnate, but things like Trump University were public knowledge & gave him a bad rap even before he announced he was running.

In regards to the Republican Party & Romney, the problem is moderates win elections. Even in the Primaries. You're never ever going to see a true conservative in office, especially on a national level.

That's the thing, deep down Trump doesn't want another Republican to win, even if he runs on "Trump policies". Right now, Trump is the winner. The last successful Republican. Trump's narrative is ruined if Cruz, Hawley, Pompeo, Pence, etc actually win in 2024.

Agreed with both of you and your points. He cost the Republicans the senate due to how he handled Georgia after he lost the election. He publicly put himself at odds with the Republicans in office there, then his lawyers told people not to vote. It was assininine. Now we have to live with a Democratic legislature and Democratic President. No checks and balances when it comes to policy for 2 years.

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No way was GA ever gonna go Red in the run-off.

If past is prologue, it always went red in run-offs.

With mail in ballots, it will never go red again. The runoff was never in question. A couple of counties could generate all of the additional votes they needed.

(02-24-2021 11:16 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  But Mitt just emphasizes one problem I have with republicans. If republicans drove him to the democrat side, that would make the senate 49-51, and with Kamala the **** sitting in the presiding chair, even getting somebody like Manchin to flip would still leave them in the minority. Keep him a republican, and you're just one democrat flipping or dying away from having a majority and all the power that goes with that. Do like the democrats, let him wander around with what he says and the occasional vote, but on the gut issues hold. his feet to the fire. Schumer and Pelosi know how to do this, McConnell doesn't.

Republicans have made a total hash politically out of Arizona, turning the home of Barry Goldwater blue, or at the very least purple. They are trying to do the same thing with Georgia. They can't do those things and remain a viable party. And having a viable opposition party to counter the socialist/communist/fascist democrats (and yes, they are clearly the first, are starting to become the second, and are showing signs of becoming the third of those three peas in the same pod) is absolutely essential to the future of this republic, IMO.

Republicans are stupid when it comes to electoral politics. They simply are, and it irritates the crap out of me.

California diaspora have turned Arizona purple. Chicago disapora are turning Georgia purple.

(02-24-2021 03:50 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(02-24-2021 03:28 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(02-24-2021 03:25 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  

(02-24-2021 02:41 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(02-24-2021 02:03 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  That's the thing, deep down Trump doesn't want another Republican to win, even if he runs on "Trump policies". Right now, Trump is the winner. The last successful Republican. Trump's narrative is ruined if Cruz, Hawley, Pompeo, Pence, etc actually win in 2024.

Agreed with both of you and your points. He cost the Republicans the senate due to how he handled Georgia after he lost the election. He publicly put himself at odds with the Republicans in office there, then his lawyers told people not to vote. It was assininine. Now we have to live with a Democratic legislature and Democratic President. No checks and balances when it comes to policy for 2 years.

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No way was GA ever gonna go Red in the run-off.

If past is prologue, it always went red in run-offs.

With mail in ballots, it will never go red again. The runoff was never in question. A couple of counties could generate all of the additional votes they needed.

You had a Black minister and unlimited national money. Good chance Perdue beats Osoff if that was the only runoff.

(02-24-2021 08:43 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(02-24-2021 06:13 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  Lay off the drugs Don Jr.

I think you have confused the POTUS sons. Its the current one who's son is a raging drug addict. DTjr just bangs Kim Guilfoyle.

I could see that being somewhat mind altering and highly addictive, so.... kinda the same.

(02-24-2021 11:43 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(02-24-2021 11:22 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(02-24-2021 09:38 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I would not support Trump for the republican nomination in 2024, but I would vote for him in a general election against any democrat that comes to mind.

If he were to run again I really think it will be the end of the Republican Party. It already is being pulled apart by the Pro-Trump and Anti-Trump groups. Him running would just be a mess.

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If he runs the Pro-Trump side wins. If he doesn't the Anti-Trump side wins.

The Anti-Trump (i.e. establishment RINOs) are making this about Trump because it takes the spotlight off THEM as the problem with the GOP.

Joe Republican, some 75M+ strong, is sick and tired of RINOs running the GOP and tossing conservative policies and politics aside.

The party was destroyed a long time ago by THEM. If we want to fix the party, get rid of the RINOs and put true conservatives into leadership position in the RNC and across the state parties.

I see that bubbling up from below more and more with each passing election cycle. When zerO was elected I remember Carville so excitedly saying he thought the R's wouldn't win another election for 50 years, muh demographics and all.

Well, guess what? Even with the cheating the D's lost a dozen or more House seats (largely unheard of in a General) and damn near lost the House altogether, R's didn't lose a one. The Senate was largely a wash, and if not for that debacle and getting rolled in Ga. it would have been a gain there too.

Keep Mittens for now, he can do his shtick and moan and complain because we should all see things the way he does. But, for the most part he only has voted with the dims when it was mostly a foregone conclusion, tight votes and judges etc he's held the line pretty well.

(02-24-2021 02:03 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(02-24-2021 01:37 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  Trump running again vs a D would be an instant L. Keep his fighting spirit, keep his policies, but not the man himself. Need someone less controversial. I know Democrats make every Republican Hitler incarnate, but things like Trump University were public knowledge & gave him a bad rap even before he announced he was running.

In regards to the Republican Party & Romney, the problem is moderates win elections. Even in the Primaries. You're never ever going to see a true conservative in office, especially on a national level.

That's the thing, deep down Trump doesn't want another Republican to win, even if he runs on "Trump policies". Right now, Trump is the winner. The last successful Republican. Trump's narrative is ruined if Cruz, Hawley, Pompeo, Pence, etc actually win in 2024.

So now you're into mind reading

How adorable.

If Trump didn't make GA run off about him, they would have won one of those seats. You'll see in 2022 if Purdue goes against Warnock.

(02-24-2021 05:22 PM)fsquid Wrote:  If Trump didn't make GA run off about him, they would have won one of those seats. You'll see in 2022 if Purdue goes against Warnock.

Purdue doesn't plan to run.

Quote:Rep. Liz Cheney (R-WY) was slammed on Wednesday morning following remarks that she made during a press conference in which she attacked former President Donald Trump, a move that visibly irritated top Republican House leaders present at the event.

The remarks come as the political left has sought to divide the Republican Party by continuing to press GOP officials about where they stand on Trump moving forward.

A reporter at the news conference asked House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy if Trump should be speaking at CPAC, to which McCarthy responded: “Yes, he should.”

That reporter then turned to Cheney for a reaction to the same question, to which Cheney responded: “That’s up to CPAC.”

Cheney continued, “I’ve been clear in my views about President Trump and the extent to which following January 6th, I don’t believe that he should be playing a role in the future of the party or the country.”

As she made the remarks, a look of discomfort could be seen on McCarthy’s face and, at the very end of her remarks, House Minority Whip Steve Scalise could be seen briefly shaking his head. McCarthy immediately concluded the press conference following Cheney’s remarks, saying, “On that high note, thank you very much.”


Cheney’s remarks contradicting McCarthy’s statement come after McCarthy recently backed Cheney while other Republican lawmakers sought to remove her from a leadership position in the Republican Party following her vote to impeach Trump over the events that unfolded on January 6.

McCarthy “offered a full-throated defense of Cheney and made the case for her to stay in leadership — a critical boost for the Wyoming Republican,” Politico reported. The report made clear that the goal of Republican leaders was to “put the Cheney chapter behind them and finally rally around a common goal: countering the Biden agenda and climbing their way back to power.”

Donald Trump Jr. blasted Cheney following her remarks, writing on Twitter: “Liz Cheney knows she can’t get reelected in Wyoming because the people there hate her, so she’s trying hard to make sure her new friends at CNN will hire her once she loses her primary. #LincolnProjectLiz is less popular with Republicans than Andrew Cuomo is at nursing homes!!!”

Ned Ryun responded to Cheney’s remarks by writing: “I hope she enjoys her last term in office.”

Former Trump adviser Steve Cortes added: “We need to remove any Republican establishment legacy office holders who continue to support Cheney as she disparages Trump and our movement. Time for Leader McCarthy to actually act like a leader.”

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(02-24-2021 04:34 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(02-24-2021 02:03 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(02-24-2021 01:37 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  Trump running again vs a D would be an instant L. Keep his fighting spirit, keep his policies, but not the man himself. Need someone less controversial. I know Democrats make every Republican Hitler incarnate, but things like Trump University were public knowledge & gave him a bad rap even before he announced he was running.

In regards to the Republican Party & Romney, the problem is moderates win elections. Even in the Primaries. You're never ever going to see a true conservative in office, especially on a national level.

That's the thing, deep down Trump doesn't want another Republican to win, even if he runs on "Trump policies". Right now, Trump is the winner. The last successful Republican. Trump's narrative is ruined if Cruz, Hawley, Pompeo, Pence, etc actually win in 2024.

So now you're into mind reading

How adorable.

Let it play out. We'll see.

(02-24-2021 03:50 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(02-24-2021 03:28 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(02-24-2021 03:25 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  

(02-24-2021 02:41 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(02-24-2021 02:03 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  That's the thing, deep down Trump doesn't want another Republican to win, even if he runs on "Trump policies". Right now, Trump is the winner. The last successful Republican. Trump's narrative is ruined if Cruz, Hawley, Pompeo, Pence, etc actually win in 2024.

Agreed with both of you and your points. He cost the Republicans the senate due to how he handled Georgia after he lost the election. He publicly put himself at odds with the Republicans in office there, then his lawyers told people not to vote. It was assininine. Now we have to live with a Democratic legislature and Democratic President. No checks and balances when it comes to policy for 2 years.

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No way was GA ever gonna go Red in the run-off.

If past is prologue, it always went red in run-offs.

With mail in ballots, it will never go red again. The runoff was never in question. A couple of counties could generate all of the additional votes they needed.

Mail in ballots are great! I use them for the first time ever, this year. No standing in line or trying to rush to the polls after work.

(02-24-2021 06:04 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

(02-24-2021 05:22 PM)fsquid Wrote:  If Trump didn't make GA run off about him, they would have won one of those seats. You'll see in 2022 if Purdue goes against Warnock.

Purdue doesn't plan to run.

I missed that, thought he was.

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(02-24-2021 09:28 PM)fsquid Wrote:  

(02-24-2021 06:04 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

(02-24-2021 05:22 PM)fsquid Wrote:  If Trump didn't make GA run off about him, they would have won one of those seats. You'll see in 2022 if Purdue goes against Warnock.

Purdue doesn't plan to run.

I missed that, thought he was.

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https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/...4689180675

THOUGHT BUBBLE

I was glad when I saw Perdue was thinking about running. I think he would have been the best candidate.

I like Kelly, but she's not a strong campaigner.

(02-24-2021 09:53 PM)bullet Wrote:  I was glad when I saw Perdue was thinking about running. I think he would have been the best candidate.

I like Kelly, but she's not a strong campaigner.

Perdue's not running because Trump will be going all in on Kemp, Perdue would be collateral damage.

(02-24-2021 09:53 PM)bullet Wrote:  I was glad when I saw Perdue was thinking about running. I think he would have been the best candidate.

I like Kelly, but she's not a strong campaigner.

Yep if the seats were swapped maybe it would have been different

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If Trump hadn't made the GA runoff about him, and if Mitch hadn't screwed the pooch on the COVID relief bill, republicans would probably have won both Georgia seats. And then if they had a leader who could hold them together the way Pelosi and Schumer can hold the democrats together, we would be in a very, very different situation today.

Republicans need to:
1) Make 2022 and 2024 about issues; reprise Newt's Contract concept, identify winning issues and run on them; I do think the democrats may hand them the economy, but they had better have a plan
2) Do everything they can to secure the integrity of elections
3) Find a way to replace Mitch; I really liked the idea of offering Manchin the Majority Leader spot of he would switch, but that went nowhere
4) Figure out a way to hold and build on the Trump gains with blue-collar workers and minorities
5) Figure out what to do about Trump; I would like to see them find somebody who could appeal to Trump voters without Trump's negatives

(02-25-2021 08:06 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  If Trump hadn't made the GA runoff about him, and if Mitch hadn't screwed the pooch on the COVID relief bill, republicans would probably have won both Georgia seats. And then if they had a leader who could hold them together the way Pelosi and Schumer can hold the democrats together, we would be in a very, very different situation today.

Republicans need to:
1) Make 2022 and 2024 about issues; reprise Newt's Contract concept, identify winning issues and run on them; I do think the democrats may hand them the economy, but they had better have a plan
2) Do everything they can to secure the integrity of elections
3) Find a way to replace Mitch; I really liked the idea of offering Manchin the Majority Leader spot of he would switch, but that went nowhere
4) Figure out a way to hold and build on the Trump gains with blue-collar workers and minorities
5) Figure out what to do about Trump; I would like to see them find somebody who could appeal to Trump voters without Trump's negatives

1.) The Republicans abandoned their platform in 2020. Everything going forward in the near future is about Trump and election fraud.
2.) Not sure how much more secure you can make it.
3.) Mitch isn't going anywhere for 6 years.
4.) Trump blue-collar gains only work with Trump on the ballot.
5.) Nothing can be done about Trump. That's the dilemma.

(02-25-2021 08:19 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(02-25-2021 08:06 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  If Trump hadn't made the GA runoff about him, and if Mitch hadn't screwed the pooch on the COVID relief bill, republicans would probably have won both Georgia seats. And then if they had a leader who could hold them together the way Pelosi and Schumer can hold the democrats together, we would be in a very, very different situation today.

Republicans need to:
1) Make 2022 and 2024 about issues; reprise Newt's Contract concept, identify winning issues and run on them; I do think the democrats may hand them the economy, but they had better have a plan
2) Do everything they can to secure the integrity of elections
3) Find a way to replace Mitch; I really liked the idea of offering Manchin the Majority Leader spot of he would switch, but that went nowhere
4) Figure out a way to hold and build on the Trump gains with blue-collar workers and minorities
5) Figure out what to do about Trump; I would like to see them find somebody who could appeal to Trump voters without Trump's negatives

1.) The Republicans abandoned their platform in 2020. Everything going forward in the near future is about Trump and election fraud.
2.) Not sure how much more secure you can make it.
3.) Mitch isn't going anywhere for 6 years.
4.) Trump blue-collar gains only work with Trump on the ballot.
5.) Nothing can be done about Trump. That's the dilemma.

Don Jr. Or Ivanka will also carry those voters. They won't appeal to the middle though, especially Don Jr. The Republican Party has a lot of soul searching to do right now. They need to figure out the long term direction and they need to figure it out now as they need to start laying the ground work for 2024.

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