I would not support Trump for the republican nomination in 2024, but I would vote for him in a general election against any democrat that comes to mind.

(02-24-2021 09:21 AM)appst89 Wrote:  

(02-24-2021 09:08 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(02-24-2021 08:51 AM)appst89 Wrote:  

(02-24-2021 08:35 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(02-24-2021 08:29 AM)appst89 Wrote:  Romney and his ilk are the usurpers.

Learn your history son.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_W._Romney

Are we talking about Mittens, the globalist, or his daddy? Make up your mind, boy.

Boy, you ain't the sharpest tool in the shed.

"Really? Mitt's family have been Republicans for 100 years"

I should have known better than to treat you as if you were capable of actual conversation. I won't make that mistake again. Mitt is a globalist, not a Republican. The quote you just inserted is not anywhere to be found in the post I replied to. When I said Romney, I was specifically speaking of Mitt. Stop using RWT tactics and try to be honest.

Go back and read your reply to post #11. Do better.

(02-24-2021 10:22 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(02-24-2021 09:21 AM)appst89 Wrote:  

(02-24-2021 09:08 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(02-24-2021 08:51 AM)appst89 Wrote:  

(02-24-2021 08:35 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  Learn your history son.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_W._Romney

Are we talking about Mittens, the globalist, or his daddy? Make up your mind, boy.

Boy, you ain't the sharpest tool in the shed.

"Really? Mitt's family have been Republicans for 100 years"

I should have known better than to treat you as if you were capable of actual conversation. I won't make that mistake again. Mitt is a globalist, not a Republican. The quote you just inserted is not anywhere to be found in the post I replied to. When I said Romney, I was specifically speaking of Mitt. Stop using RWT tactics and try to be honest.

Go back and read your reply to post #11. Do better.

I went back and read the whole thing. It's clear I was talking about Mitt from the beginning. Be honest.

But Mitt just emphasizes one problem I have with republicans. If republicans drove him to the democrat side, that would make the senate 49-51, and with Kamala the **** sitting in the presiding chair, even getting somebody like Manchin to flip would still leave them in the minority. Keep him a republican, and you're just one democrat flipping or dying away from having a majority and all the power that goes with that. Do like the democrats, let him wander around with what he says and the occasional vote, but on the gut issues hold. his feet to the fire. Schumer and Pelosi know how to do this, McConnell doesn't.

Republicans have made a total hash politically out of Arizona, turning the home of Barry Goldwater blue, or at the very least purple. They are trying to do the same thing with Georgia. They can't do those things and remain a viable party. And having a viable opposition party to counter the socialist/communist/fascist democrats (and yes, they are clearly the first, are starting to become the second, and are showing signs of becoming the third of those three peas in the same pod) is absolutely essential to the future of this republic, IMO.

Republicans are stupid when it comes to electoral politics. They simply are, and it irritates the crap out of me.

(02-24-2021 09:38 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I would not support Trump for the republican nomination in 2024, but I would vote for him in a general election against any democrat that comes to mind.

If he were to run again I really think it will be the end of the Republican Party. It already is being pulled apart by the Pro-Trump and Anti-Trump groups. Him running would just be a mess.

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(02-24-2021 11:16 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  But Mitt just emphasizes one problem I have with republicans. If republicans drove him to the democrat side, that would make the senate 49-51, and with Kamala the **** sitting in the presiding chair, even getting somebody like Manchin to flip would still leave them in the minority. Keep him a republican, and you're just one democrat flipping or dying away from having a majority and all the power that goes with that. Do like the democrats, let him wander around with what he says and the occasional vote, but on the gut issues hold. his feet to the fire. Schumer and Pelosi know how to do this, McConnell doesn't.

Republicans have made a total hash politically out of Arizona, turning the home of Barry Goldwater blue, or at the very least purple. They are trying to do the same thing with Georgia. They can't do those things and remain a viable party. And having a viable opposition party to counter the socialist/communist/fascist democrats (and yes, they are clearly the first, are starting to become the second, and are showing signs of becoming the third of those three peas in the same pod) is absolutely essential to the future of this republic, IMO.

Republicans are stupid when it comes to electoral politics. They simply are, and it irritates the crap out of me.

Mitt's not switching parties. That would be like the Bushes switching parties.

(02-24-2021 11:22 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(02-24-2021 09:38 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I would not support Trump for the republican nomination in 2024, but I would vote for him in a general election against any democrat that comes to mind.

If he were to run again I really think it will be the end of the Republican Party. It already is being pulled apart by the Pro-Trump and Anti-Trump groups. Him running would just be a mess.

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If he runs the Pro-Trump side wins. If he doesn't the Anti-Trump side wins.

The Anti-Trump (i.e. establishment RINOs) are making this about Trump because it takes the spotlight off THEM as the problem with the GOP.

Joe Republican, some 75M+ strong, is sick and tired of RINOs running the GOP and tossing conservative policies and politics aside.

The party was destroyed a long time ago by THEM. If we want to fix the party, get rid of the RINOs and put true conservatives into leadership position in the RNC and across the state parties.

(02-24-2021 11:43 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(02-24-2021 11:22 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(02-24-2021 09:38 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I would not support Trump for the republican nomination in 2024, but I would vote for him in a general election against any democrat that comes to mind.

If he were to run again I really think it will be the end of the Republican Party. It already is being pulled apart by the Pro-Trump and Anti-Trump groups. Him running would just be a mess.

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If he runs the Pro-Trump side wins. If he doesn't the Anti-Trump side wins.

The Anti-Trump (i.e. establishment RINOs) are making this about Trump because it takes the spotlight off THEM as the problem with the GOP.

Joe Republican, some 75M+ strong, is sick and tired of RINOs running the GOP and tossing conservative policies and politics aside.

The party was destroyed a long time ago by THEM. If we want to fix the party, get rid of the RINOs and put true conservatives into leadership position in the RNC and across the state parties.

Hard to call Trump anything but a RINO when he just added $9.5T to our national debt. Granted, a big chunk hit thanks to the pandemic but there were huge deficits every year of his Presidency. Republicans bitched for years about Obama's deficits then kept quiet when Trump outdid the deficit spending by a large margin.

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(02-24-2021 12:21 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(02-24-2021 11:43 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(02-24-2021 11:22 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(02-24-2021 09:38 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I would not support Trump for the republican nomination in 2024, but I would vote for him in a general election against any democrat that comes to mind.

If he were to run again I really think it will be the end of the Republican Party. It already is being pulled apart by the Pro-Trump and Anti-Trump groups. Him running would just be a mess.

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If he runs the Pro-Trump side wins. If he doesn't the Anti-Trump side wins.

The Anti-Trump (i.e. establishment RINOs) are making this about Trump because it takes the spotlight off THEM as the problem with the GOP.

Joe Republican, some 75M+ strong, is sick and tired of RINOs running the GOP and tossing conservative policies and politics aside.

The party was destroyed a long time ago by THEM. If we want to fix the party, get rid of the RINOs and put true conservatives into leadership position in the RNC and across the state parties.

Hard to call Trump anything but a RINO when he just added $9.5T to our national debt. Granted, a big chunk hit thanks to the pandemic but there were huge deficits every year of his Presidency. Republicans bitched for years about Obama's deficits then kept quiet when Trump outdid the deficit spending by a large margin.

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Do you really not realize how much of that deficit was baked in by the Obama years? Really?

(02-24-2021 12:27 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(02-24-2021 12:21 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(02-24-2021 11:43 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(02-24-2021 11:22 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(02-24-2021 09:38 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I would not support Trump for the republican nomination in 2024, but I would vote for him in a general election against any democrat that comes to mind.

If he were to run again I really think it will be the end of the Republican Party. It already is being pulled apart by the Pro-Trump and Anti-Trump groups. Him running would just be a mess.

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If he runs the Pro-Trump side wins. If he doesn't the Anti-Trump side wins.

The Anti-Trump (i.e. establishment RINOs) are making this about Trump because it takes the spotlight off THEM as the problem with the GOP.

Joe Republican, some 75M+ strong, is sick and tired of RINOs running the GOP and tossing conservative policies and politics aside.

The party was destroyed a long time ago by THEM. If we want to fix the party, get rid of the RINOs and put true conservatives into leadership position in the RNC and across the state parties.

Hard to call Trump anything but a RINO when he just added $9.5T to our national debt. Granted, a big chunk hit thanks to the pandemic but there were huge deficits every year of his Presidency. Republicans bitched for years about Obama's deficits then kept quiet when Trump outdid the deficit spending by a large margin.

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Do you really not realize how much of that deficit was baked in by the Obama years? Really?

He cut taxes (great), then raised spending (bad). That is clear as day. Nothing to do with Obama.

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(02-24-2021 09:38 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I would not support Trump for the republican nomination in 2024, but I would vote for him in a general election against any democrat that comes to mind.

So, you want the Demons to win? No one outside of Trump can rally the people like his can. Not even DeSantis whom I see as a very legitimate candidate. There's other viable candidates on the Repub party but they are not known or liked (or hated) like Trump. Say what you will of Trump but you can't poo poo the accomplishments he had during his four years in office.

mlb, how much money that he spent was necessitated by the pandemic? as it is the Demons wanted more spending. It was all he could do to minimize it. With Peloser earmarking money to others which had nothing to do with the pandemic at least it would have helped. He even sent a medical ship to NY which the murderous governor didn't even use.

(02-24-2021 11:43 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(02-24-2021 11:22 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(02-24-2021 09:38 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I would not support Trump for the republican nomination in 2024, but I would vote for him in a general election against any democrat that comes to mind.

If he were to run again I really think it will be the end of the Republican Party. It already is being pulled apart by the Pro-Trump and Anti-Trump groups. Him running would just be a mess.

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If he runs the Pro-Trump side wins. If he doesn't the Anti-Trump side wins.

The Anti-Trump (i.e. establishment RINOs) are making this about Trump because it takes the spotlight off THEM as the problem with the GOP.

Joe Republican, some 75M+ strong, is sick and tired of RINOs running the GOP and tossing conservative policies and politics aside.

The party was destroyed a long time ago by THEM. If we want to fix the party, get rid of the RINOs and put true conservatives into leadership position in the RNC and across the state parties.

That 75M+ strong (ECU cred) is made up of RINOs.

Trump running again vs a D would be an instant L. Keep his fighting spirit, keep his policies, but not the man himself. Need someone less controversial. I know Democrats make every Republican Hitler incarnate, but things like Trump University were public knowledge & gave him a bad rap even before he announced he was running.

In regards to the Republican Party & Romney, the problem is moderates win elections. Even in the Primaries. You're never ever going to see a true conservative in office, especially on a national level.

(02-24-2021 01:32 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  mlb, how much money that he spent was necessitated by the pandemic? as it is the Demons wanted more spending. It was all he could do to minimize it. With Peloser earmarking money to others which had nothing to do with the pandemic at least it would have helped. He even sent a medical ship to NY which the murderous governor didn't even use.

He stated at $19.5T. Left with just shy of $27T. Approximately $3.3T is attributed to the pandemic. That still shows huge deficits every year of his Presidency.

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(02-24-2021 01:37 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  Trump running again vs a D would be an instant L. Keep his fighting spirit, keep his policies, but not the man himself. Need someone less controversial. I know Democrats make every Republican Hitler incarnate, but things like Trump University were public knowledge & gave him a bad rap even before he announced he was running.

In regards to the Republican Party & Romney, the problem is moderates win elections. Even in the Primaries. You're never ever going to see a true conservative in office, especially on a national level.

That's the thing, deep down Trump doesn't want another Republican to win, even if he runs on "Trump policies". Right now, Trump is the winner. The last successful Republican. Trump's narrative is ruined if Cruz, Hawley, Pompeo, Pence, etc actually win in 2024.

Man, you read the twitter responses and you can't argue that the Commies are hard at work with the propaganda. I still can't believe that there are that many stupid people in the US that think Pedo-Joe is a good president with what he's done already. They label Trump as a Nazi, a KKK, a dictator but give the REAL Commie dictator a pass, i.e., slowjoe and their party is the REAL Socialist, KKK, Nazi party.

(02-24-2021 02:03 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(02-24-2021 01:37 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  Trump running again vs a D would be an instant L. Keep his fighting spirit, keep his policies, but not the man himself. Need someone less controversial. I know Democrats make every Republican Hitler incarnate, but things like Trump University were public knowledge & gave him a bad rap even before he announced he was running.

In regards to the Republican Party & Romney, the problem is moderates win elections. Even in the Primaries. You're never ever going to see a true conservative in office, especially on a national level.

That's the thing, deep down Trump doesn't want another Republican to win, even if he runs on "Trump policies". Right now, Trump is the winner. The last successful Republican. Trump's narrative is ruined if Cruz, Hawley, Pompeo, Pence, etc actually win in 2024.

Agreed with both of you and your points. He cost the Republicans the senate due to how he handled Georgia after he lost the election. He publicly put himself at odds with the Republicans in office there, then his lawyers told people not to vote. It was assininine. Now we have to live with a Democratic legislature and Democratic President. No checks and balances when it comes to policy for 2 years.

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(02-24-2021 01:34 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(02-24-2021 11:43 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(02-24-2021 11:22 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(02-24-2021 09:38 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I would not support Trump for the republican nomination in 2024, but I would vote for him in a general election against any democrat that comes to mind.

If he were to run again I really think it will be the end of the Republican Party. It already is being pulled apart by the Pro-Trump and Anti-Trump groups. Him running would just be a mess.

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If he runs the Pro-Trump side wins. If he doesn't the Anti-Trump side wins.

The Anti-Trump (i.e. establishment RINOs) are making this about Trump because it takes the spotlight off THEM as the problem with the GOP.

Joe Republican, some 75M+ strong, is sick and tired of RINOs running the GOP and tossing conservative policies and politics aside.

The party was destroyed a long time ago by THEM. If we want to fix the party, get rid of the RINOs and put true conservatives into leadership position in the RNC and across the state parties.

That 75M+ strong (ECU cred) is made up of RINOs.

Most of the RINOs apparently voted for Biden*... i.e. Lincoln Project.

(02-24-2021 02:41 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(02-24-2021 02:03 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(02-24-2021 01:37 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  Trump running again vs a D would be an instant L. Keep his fighting spirit, keep his policies, but not the man himself. Need someone less controversial. I know Democrats make every Republican Hitler incarnate, but things like Trump University were public knowledge & gave him a bad rap even before he announced he was running.

In regards to the Republican Party & Romney, the problem is moderates win elections. Even in the Primaries. You're never ever going to see a true conservative in office, especially on a national level.

That's the thing, deep down Trump doesn't want another Republican to win, even if he runs on "Trump policies". Right now, Trump is the winner. The last successful Republican. Trump's narrative is ruined if Cruz, Hawley, Pompeo, Pence, etc actually win in 2024.

Agreed with both of you and your points. He cost the Republicans the senate due to how he handled Georgia after he lost the election. He publicly put himself at odds with the Republicans in office there, then his lawyers told people not to vote. It was assininine. Now we have to live with a Democratic legislature and Democratic President. No checks and balances when it comes to policy for 2 years.

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No way was GA ever gonna go Red in the run-off.