(02-22-2021 03:37 AM)DawgNBama Wrote: (02-21-2021 09:53 AM)DavidSt Wrote: (02-21-2021 05:34 AM)joeben69 Wrote: (02-20-2021 04:26 PM)teamvsn Wrote: (02-20-2021 01:18 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote: Texas has a really wonky set up but I don’t think the CA system is an improvement.
The UC schools are top notch but there aren’t enough seats to accommodate all the qualified CA kids, plus they are competing with out-of-state and international candidates.
The Cal St schools meanwhile have an academic ceiling that they can’t rise above.
The state needs a third system where select Cal St schools can exist in a happy medium between the two
It sounds to me like you''re talking about the Cal Poly schools themselves. Many people here aren't even aware that the Cal Polies are in the CSU system, and hold them in high regard. Add PhD options to them and maybe add 2-3 more campuses from the CSU system and call it done.
CA does have a third system...it's the CA Community College System...
California Community Colleges
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California...y_Colleges
the CA Community College System also has it's own athletic association that most of the community colleges participate in...The California Community College Athletic Association (CCCAA)...
California Community College Athletic Association
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California...ssociation
if the reference is to a third 4-year system then a Cal Poly stand alone system would be more to the point...CA would have the University of CA System (UC), CA State University System (CSU), and the CA Polytechnic State University System (CPSU)...it would be similar to how TX has the University of TX System, TX State University System, and the TX Tech University System...
this would be...for the sake of conversation...a cool proposal...
Texas have 4 with the Texas A&M system as well.
Since CalTech is already a private, the CalPoly schools can't be shorten to Cal Tech system.
One of the biggest concerns for California education leadership of both the UC and CSU systems of California high school students are leaving the state in droves to attend colleges and universities out of state. So, could the California schools break down to a 4 system?
UC
CSU
CalPoly
Cal A&M?
There are some CC schools that are large enough in student enrollment that could become a 4 year school in areas that there is 4 year schools are at. You have like 115 community colleges that could help sereved if they become 4 year. Some could become CSU while others could be part of the Cal Poly.
East Los Angeles College could become a 4 year and be Cal Poly Los Angeles.
Santa Monico College could be one. Number 2 behind East LA College for students enrolled.
Santa Ana College is third.
Pasadena College is a good place to add a 4 year.
De Anza is a top notch JC to be a 4 year.
Santa Rosa JC always have history in college sports with NCAA schools. I think they are the only school that got a waiver from the NCAA D1 to compete in Archery on the west coast. I know they played football on the west coast against UCLA, Saint Mary's and them in the old days. I think they will be the number 1 school that can go to 4 year, and be one of the CSU or Cal Poly branch.
Sierra College is in the northern part of the state.
Antelope Valley and Ventura are two areas that do not have a 4 year public.
Butte College
College of the Sequoias
San Mateo
College of the Desert
Shasta in Redding California just south of the border of Oregon on Interstate 5.
Moreno Valley
Oxnard
Yuba
Redwoods
Palo Verde in Needles California
Palo Verde in Blythe California
Barstow (could served the military personal from the base in the area. There is also Park University which is in NAIA that serves the military base there, and that Park also serves Little Rock Air Force base here.)
Lake Tahoe
We need to look at how the state of California is growing in population, but the campuses at the large schools tend to be overgrown, but in most cases the male students at some campuses are less than the females.
California does have an A&M, but it is part of the UC system: UC-Davis. I think Davis likes being a part of the UC system though.
JoeBen, how about this:
Cal Poly System (STEM focused)
Cal Poly SLO
Cal Poly SD (old San Diego State)
Cal Poly Fresno (old Fresno State)
Cal Poly South Bay (merge SJSU with CSU Monterey Bay)
Cal Poly Humboldt
thanks DawgNBama for your post about UC Davis and CA A&M...but i did post in a reply to DavidSt posted 02/21/21 02:21 PM basically stating the same thing...
"UC Davis is the de facto CA A&M...it's part of the University of CA System...it has no interest in breaking away and starting a stand alone CA A&M System..."
Cal Poly System (STEM focused)
Cal Poly SLO
Cal Poly SD (old San Diego State)*
Cal Poly Fresno (old Fresno State)*
Cal Poly South Bay (merge SJSU with CSU Monterey Bay)*
Cal Poly Humboldt
SDSU, FSU, & SJSU have similar student population size (over 25K enrollment [Fall 2020])...athletic affiliation (Mountain West Conference)...and are classified as impacted campuses...
California State University
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California...y#Campuses
Mountain West Conference
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountain_W...er_schools
Impacted Undergraduate Majors and Campuses, 2021-22
https://www2.calstate.edu/attend/degrees...grees.aspx
SDSU - 35,578 (Fall 2020)
San Diego State University
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Diego_...University
"Fall Term Student Enrollment". The California State University Institutional Research and Analyses. Retrieved December 14, 2020.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Diego_...rollment-4
FSU - 25,341 (Fall 2020)
California State University, Fresno
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California...ty,_Fresno
"Fall Term Student Enrollment". The California State University Institutional Research and Analyses. Archived from the original on December 2, 2019. Retrieved November 24, 2020.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California...rollment-3
SJSU - 33,025 (Fall 2020)
San Jose State University
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Jose_State_University
"Fall Term Student Enrollment". The California State University Institutional Research and Analyses. Retrieved December 20, 2020.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Jose_S...rollment-8
the profile of the Cal Poly State U (CPSU) system i was thinking of would emphasizes smaller student population size (under 10K enrollment)...classified as non-impacted campus...and are CSU campuses in need of an enrollment boost...having a CPSU designation would be promotion point to grow student enrollment...
Cal Poly Monterrey Bay (CSU Monterrey Bay) - 6,871 (Fall 2020)
Cal Poly Sonoma (Sonoma State University) - 7,807 (Fall 2020)
Cal Poly Humboldt (Humboldt State University) - 6,431 (Fall 2020)
CPSU campuses would have similar geographic location in CA...either being located in the western or coastal region of CA...Humboldt State University, Sonoma State University, & CSU Monterrey Bay fit the geographic profile...
plus Sonoma State, CSU Monterrey Bay, and Humboldt State have the same athletic affiliation (California Collegiate Athletic Association)...