(01-29-2021 09:03 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  

(01-29-2021 06:55 PM)alum93 Wrote:  Stiebeling transferring. Not surprised.

Seemed like a nice young man. Put yourself in his shoes. Number 2 early in his career and then as he aged he became in essence, a nobody. I'm guessing he has his degree and a wants to play one more of football. It will be in D2 or D3 but I do wish him well.

Perfect GLIAC QB?

(01-29-2021 06:55 PM)alum93 Wrote:  Stiebeling transferring. Not surprised.

Yes, seemed like a committed guy, but the writing was on the wall. Bring in the Cincy transfer, Baron May and Hutch and he's not in the mix there. Would be a good D2 fit. Good luck to him

(01-29-2021 09:20 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(01-29-2021 09:03 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  

(01-29-2021 06:55 PM)alum93 Wrote:  Stiebeling transferring. Not surprised.

Seemed like a nice young man. Put yourself in his shoes. Number 2 early in his career and then as he aged he became in essence, a nobody. I'm guessing he has his degree and a wants to play one more of football. It will be in D2 or D3 but I do wish him well.

Perfect GLIAC QB?

Has the talent to take to take one of those teams to the national playoffs. Great young man. I wish him well.

(01-29-2021 09:41 PM)steve4840 Wrote:  

(01-29-2021 06:55 PM)alum93 Wrote:  Stiebeling transferring. Not surprised.

Yes, seemed like a committed guy, but the writing was on the wall. Bring in the Cincy transfer, Baron May and Hutch and he's not in the mix there. Would be a good D2 fit. Good luck to him

Agree. Get an EMU degree and do grad work at a new school. Sounds like a winning hand.

Great that they can get 5 years of schooling paid...

Per page 80 of the MAC handbook, student-athletes receiving financial aid would lose a year eligibility if they transfer within the conference.

This is why we don't see it in the MAC. The MAC doesn't want the messiness of having schools going after other schools talent.

Someone on the main MAC board actually researched the issue by going back to the MAC Handbook.

https://getsomemaction.com/documents/202...OOK_1_.pdf

(02-04-2021 06:39 AM)emu steve Wrote:  Per page 80 of the MAC handbook, student-athletes receiving financial aid would lose a year eligibility if they transfer within the conference.

This is why we don't see it in the MAC. The MAC doesn't want the messiness of having schools going after other schools talent.

Someone on the main MAC board actually researched the issue by going back to the MAC Handbook.

https://getsomemaction.com/documents/202...OOK_1_.pdf

There is a waiver provision for students affected by significant extenuating circumstances such as a significant change in their family situation or if a sport is discontinued at their current school. In such instances, a student needs to file a request with a waiver hearing board. Also, if the current school and the prospective school each agree to the transfer, a formal waiver hearing is not needed to grant the transfer with no loss of eligibility.

(02-04-2021 09:19 AM)cidbearit Wrote:  

(02-04-2021 06:39 AM)emu steve Wrote:  Per page 80 of the MAC handbook, student-athletes receiving financial aid would lose a year eligibility if they transfer within the conference.

This is why we don't see it in the MAC. The MAC doesn't want the messiness of having schools going after other schools talent.

Someone on the main MAC board actually researched the issue by going back to the MAC Handbook.

https://getsomemaction.com/documents/202...OOK_1_.pdf

There is a waiver provision for students affected by significant extenuating circumstances such as a significant change in their family situation or if a sport is discontinued at their current school. In such instances, a student needs to file a request with a waiver hearing board. Also, if the current school and the prospective school each agree to the transfer, a formal waiver hearing is not needed to grant the transfer with no loss of eligibility.

True. I didn't mention it because there is zero chance FB or MBB/WBB will be discontinued at EMU.

Yes, there can be 'extenuating circumstances' such as maybe a coaching staff being cited for harassment, or the student-athlete being say a crime victim and wants to leave the area, and of course, be close to home if there are health problems in the family.

However, with the MAC having compact geography it is hard to make the case of someone wanting to transfer from BG <--> TOL or Akr <-> Kent.

Or someone from Milan wanting to transfer EMU <--> TOL. We aren't talking a great distance.

(02-04-2021 09:41 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(02-04-2021 09:19 AM)cidbearit Wrote:  

(02-04-2021 06:39 AM)emu steve Wrote:  Per page 80 of the MAC handbook, student-athletes receiving financial aid would lose a year eligibility if they transfer within the conference.

This is why we don't see it in the MAC. The MAC doesn't want the messiness of having schools going after other schools talent.

Someone on the main MAC board actually researched the issue by going back to the MAC Handbook.

https://getsomemaction.com/documents/202...OOK_1_.pdf

There is a waiver provision for students affected by significant extenuating circumstances such as a significant change in their family situation or if a sport is discontinued at their current school. In such instances, a student needs to file a request with a waiver hearing board. Also, if the current school and the prospective school each agree to the transfer, a formal waiver hearing is not needed to grant the transfer with no loss of eligibility.

True. I didn't mention it because there is zero chance FB or MBB/WBB will be discontinued at EMU.

Yes, there can be 'extenuating circumstances' such as maybe a coaching staff being cited for harassment, or the student-athlete being say a crime victim and wants to leave the area, and of course, be close to home if there are health problems in the family.

However, with the MAC having compact geography it is hard to make the case of someone wanting to transfer from BG <--> TOL or Akr <-> Kent.

Or someone from Milan wanting to transfer EMU <--> TOL. We aren't talking a great distance.

i know im a broken record on this stuff - but all those restrictions are hot trash. players should be able to transfer wherever they want without sitting out a year - the same way coaches can.

(02-04-2021 10:02 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  

(02-04-2021 09:41 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(02-04-2021 09:19 AM)cidbearit Wrote:  

(02-04-2021 06:39 AM)emu steve Wrote:  Per page 80 of the MAC handbook, student-athletes receiving financial aid would lose a year eligibility if they transfer within the conference.

This is why we don't see it in the MAC. The MAC doesn't want the messiness of having schools going after other schools talent.

Someone on the main MAC board actually researched the issue by going back to the MAC Handbook.

https://getsomemaction.com/documents/202...OOK_1_.pdf

There is a waiver provision for students affected by significant extenuating circumstances such as a significant change in their family situation or if a sport is discontinued at their current school. In such instances, a student needs to file a request with a waiver hearing board. Also, if the current school and the prospective school each agree to the transfer, a formal waiver hearing is not needed to grant the transfer with no loss of eligibility.

True. I didn't mention it because there is zero chance FB or MBB/WBB will be discontinued at EMU.

Yes, there can be 'extenuating circumstances' such as maybe a coaching staff being cited for harassment, or the student-athlete being say a crime victim and wants to leave the area, and of course, be close to home if there are health problems in the family.

However, with the MAC having compact geography it is hard to make the case of someone wanting to transfer from BG <--> TOL or Akr <-> Kent.

Or someone from Milan wanting to transfer EMU <--> TOL. We aren't talking a great distance.

i know im a broken record on this stuff - but all those restrictions are hot trash. players should be able to transfer wherever they want without sitting out a year - the same way coaches can.

That's a tough one. Coaches are under contract, so there is some restriction as to their movement based on the nature of their contract. If you were to allow movement among players like coaches do, you might need to set up a more formal contract system for players.

Once that happens, you'll have students demanding playtime clauses, position commitments, and a whole slew of other things that could tie the hands of coaches and have the potential to change the face of college football. Can you imagine a kid coming in as a freshman demanding a contract saying he will only play running back and must play at least 50% of the downs in his freshman year? And if that doesn't happen, he'll transfer to a program that will let him play? Now that might be a dramatic example of what could happen, but I don't think it would be too far-fetched.

I agree the system needs to allow some kind of movement between programs, but it can't be a wild-west free for all.

(02-04-2021 10:19 AM)cidbearit Wrote:  

(02-04-2021 10:02 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  

(02-04-2021 09:41 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(02-04-2021 09:19 AM)cidbearit Wrote:  

(02-04-2021 06:39 AM)emu steve Wrote:  Per page 80 of the MAC handbook, student-athletes receiving financial aid would lose a year eligibility if they transfer within the conference.

This is why we don't see it in the MAC. The MAC doesn't want the messiness of having schools going after other schools talent.

Someone on the main MAC board actually researched the issue by going back to the MAC Handbook.

https://getsomemaction.com/documents/202...OOK_1_.pdf

There is a waiver provision for students affected by significant extenuating circumstances such as a significant change in their family situation or if a sport is discontinued at their current school. In such instances, a student needs to file a request with a waiver hearing board. Also, if the current school and the prospective school each agree to the transfer, a formal waiver hearing is not needed to grant the transfer with no loss of eligibility.

True. I didn't mention it because there is zero chance FB or MBB/WBB will be discontinued at EMU.

Yes, there can be 'extenuating circumstances' such as maybe a coaching staff being cited for harassment, or the student-athlete being say a crime victim and wants to leave the area, and of course, be close to home if there are health problems in the family.

However, with the MAC having compact geography it is hard to make the case of someone wanting to transfer from BG <--> TOL or Akr <-> Kent.

Or someone from Milan wanting to transfer EMU <--> TOL. We aren't talking a great distance.

i know im a broken record on this stuff - but all those restrictions are hot trash. players should be able to transfer wherever they want without sitting out a year - the same way coaches can.

That's a tough one. Coaches are under contract, so there is some restriction as to their movement based on the nature of their contract. If you were to allow movement among players like coaches do, you might need to set up a more formal contract system for players.

Once that happens, you'll have students demanding playtime clauses, position commitments, and a whole slew of other things that could tie the hands of coaches and have the potential to change the face of college football. Can you imagine a kid coming in as a freshman demanding a contract saying he will only play running back and must play at least 50% of the downs in his freshman year? And if that doesn't happen, he'll transfer to a program that will let him play? Now that might be a dramatic example of what could happen, but I don't think it would be too far-fetched.

I agree the system needs to allow some kind of movement between programs, but it can't be a wild-west free for all.

Yeah i mean im mr. labor rights. i think if a player is able to negotiate playtime clauses and a coach is dumb enough to accept such a clause - the program deserves what happens to it. players already transfer over playtime every season so that isnt THAT different from what already happens.

im in favor of a players association that can collectively bargain with the NCAA as a whole - not on a school by school basis.

(02-04-2021 10:19 AM)cidbearit Wrote:  

(02-04-2021 10:02 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  

(02-04-2021 09:41 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(02-04-2021 09:19 AM)cidbearit Wrote:  

(02-04-2021 06:39 AM)emu steve Wrote:  Per page 80 of the MAC handbook, student-athletes receiving financial aid would lose a year eligibility if they transfer within the conference.

This is why we don't see it in the MAC. The MAC doesn't want the messiness of having schools going after other schools talent.

Someone on the main MAC board actually researched the issue by going back to the MAC Handbook.

https://getsomemaction.com/documents/202...OOK_1_.pdf

There is a waiver provision for students affected by significant extenuating circumstances such as a significant change in their family situation or if a sport is discontinued at their current school. In such instances, a student needs to file a request with a waiver hearing board. Also, if the current school and the prospective school each agree to the transfer, a formal waiver hearing is not needed to grant the transfer with no loss of eligibility.

True. I didn't mention it because there is zero chance FB or MBB/WBB will be discontinued at EMU.

Yes, there can be 'extenuating circumstances' such as maybe a coaching staff being cited for harassment, or the student-athlete being say a crime victim and wants to leave the area, and of course, be close to home if there are health problems in the family.

However, with the MAC having compact geography it is hard to make the case of someone wanting to transfer from BG <--> TOL or Akr <-> Kent.

Or someone from Milan wanting to transfer EMU <--> TOL. We aren't talking a great distance.

i know im a broken record on this stuff - but all those restrictions are hot trash. players should be able to transfer wherever they want without sitting out a year - the same way coaches can.

That's a tough one. Coaches are under contract, so there is some restriction as to their movement based on the nature of their contract. If you were to allow movement among players like coaches do, you might need to set up a more formal contract system for players.

Once that happens, you'll have students demanding playtime clauses, position commitments, and a whole slew of other things that could tie the hands of coaches and have the potential to change the face of college football. Can you imagine a kid coming in as a freshman demanding a contract saying he will only play running back and must play at least 50% of the downs in his freshman year? And if that doesn't happen, he'll transfer to a program that will let him play? Now that might be a dramatic example of what could happen, but I don't think it would be too far-fetched.

I agree the system needs to allow some kind of movement between programs, but it can't be a wild-west free for all.

And we don't want players dropping out of school say October 1 and starting at another school and hope to play that season to boot.

They are STUDENTS.

One thing we never discuss is that unlike coaches, students enroll in academic programs which are defined by their universities.

Why would Harvard want a student to transfer in after 3 years of academics at Podunk U.?

What happens if the new school refuses to accept say 5 or 10 courses from the other school? Will the student-athlete graduate or simply come up short and not finish after he or she is off scholarship?

I do like the 5 years to play 4 because it offers the player a 'cushion' to complete his/her academics.

In short, employees of the athletic department are free to quit any time they wish (subject to their contract if they are that type of employee). Student athletes are students and follow the same rules as OTHER students.

(02-04-2021 12:59 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(02-04-2021 10:19 AM)cidbearit Wrote:  

(02-04-2021 10:02 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  

(02-04-2021 09:41 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(02-04-2021 09:19 AM)cidbearit Wrote:  There is a waiver provision for students affected by significant extenuating circumstances such as a significant change in their family situation or if a sport is discontinued at their current school. In such instances, a student needs to file a request with a waiver hearing board. Also, if the current school and the prospective school each agree to the transfer, a formal waiver hearing is not needed to grant the transfer with no loss of eligibility.

True. I didn't mention it because there is zero chance FB or MBB/WBB will be discontinued at EMU.

Yes, there can be 'extenuating circumstances' such as maybe a coaching staff being cited for harassment, or the student-athlete being say a crime victim and wants to leave the area, and of course, be close to home if there are health problems in the family.

However, with the MAC having compact geography it is hard to make the case of someone wanting to transfer from BG <--> TOL or Akr <-> Kent.

Or someone from Milan wanting to transfer EMU <--> TOL. We aren't talking a great distance.

i know im a broken record on this stuff - but all those restrictions are hot trash. players should be able to transfer wherever they want without sitting out a year - the same way coaches can.

That's a tough one. Coaches are under contract, so there is some restriction as to their movement based on the nature of their contract. If you were to allow movement among players like coaches do, you might need to set up a more formal contract system for players.

Once that happens, you'll have students demanding playtime clauses, position commitments, and a whole slew of other things that could tie the hands of coaches and have the potential to change the face of college football. Can you imagine a kid coming in as a freshman demanding a contract saying he will only play running back and must play at least 50% of the downs in his freshman year? And if that doesn't happen, he'll transfer to a program that will let him play? Now that might be a dramatic example of what could happen, but I don't think it would be too far-fetched.

I agree the system needs to allow some kind of movement between programs, but it can't be a wild-west free for all.

And we don't want players dropping out of school say October 1 and starting at another school and hope to play that season to boot.

They are STUDENTS.

One thing we never discuss is that unlike coaches, students enroll in academic programs which are defined by their universities.

Why would Harvard want a student to transfer in after 3 years of academics at Podunk U.?

What happens if the new school refuses to accept say 5 or 10 courses from the other school? Will the student-athlete graduate or simply come up short and not finish after he or she is off scholarship?

I do like the 5 years to play 4 because it offers the player a 'cushion' to complete his/her academics.

In short, employees of the athletic department are free to quit any time they wish (subject to their contract if they are that type of employee). Student athletes are students and follow the same rules as OTHER students.

Oh yeah quality of academics is the only reason any player picks any school. thats why the CFP is always Stanford, Northwestern, Duke, and Vandy. Dynasties all.

Dan Samuelson transferred from Michigan to EMU - this sort of thing happens in real life.

I don't think players should be able to transfer in season any more than i think coaches should be able to leave and take new jobs mid season.

(02-04-2021 12:59 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(02-04-2021 10:19 AM)cidbearit Wrote:  

(02-04-2021 10:02 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  

(02-04-2021 09:41 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(02-04-2021 09:19 AM)cidbearit Wrote:  There is a waiver provision for students affected by significant extenuating circumstances such as a significant change in their family situation or if a sport is discontinued at their current school. In such instances, a student needs to file a request with a waiver hearing board. Also, if the current school and the prospective school each agree to the transfer, a formal waiver hearing is not needed to grant the transfer with no loss of eligibility.

True. I didn't mention it because there is zero chance FB or MBB/WBB will be discontinued at EMU.

Yes, there can be 'extenuating circumstances' such as maybe a coaching staff being cited for harassment, or the student-athlete being say a crime victim and wants to leave the area, and of course, be close to home if there are health problems in the family.

However, with the MAC having compact geography it is hard to make the case of someone wanting to transfer from BG <--> TOL or Akr <-> Kent.

Or someone from Milan wanting to transfer EMU <--> TOL. We aren't talking a great distance.

i know im a broken record on this stuff - but all those restrictions are hot trash. players should be able to transfer wherever they want without sitting out a year - the same way coaches can.

That's a tough one. Coaches are under contract, so there is some restriction as to their movement based on the nature of their contract. If you were to allow movement among players like coaches do, you might need to set up a more formal contract system for players.

Once that happens, you'll have students demanding playtime clauses, position commitments, and a whole slew of other things that could tie the hands of coaches and have the potential to change the face of college football. Can you imagine a kid coming in as a freshman demanding a contract saying he will only play running back and must play at least 50% of the downs in his freshman year? And if that doesn't happen, he'll transfer to a program that will let him play? Now that might be a dramatic example of what could happen, but I don't think it would be too far-fetched.

I agree the system needs to allow some kind of movement between programs, but it can't be a wild-west free for all.

And we don't want players dropping out of school say October 1 and starting at another school and hope to play that season to boot.

They are STUDENTS.

One thing we never discuss is that unlike coaches, students enroll in academic programs which are defined by their universities.

Why would Harvard want a student to transfer in after 3 years of academics at Podunk U.?

What happens if the new school refuses to accept say 5 or 10 courses from the other school? Will the student-athlete graduate or simply come up short and not finish after he or she is off scholarship?

I do like the 5 years to play 4 because it offers the player a 'cushion' to complete his/her academics.

In short, employees of the athletic department are free to quit any time they wish (subject to their contract if they are that type of employee). Student athletes are students and follow the same rules as OTHER students.

Excellent point! They are students, first. You have to be admitted as a student before you can play as an athlete.

(02-04-2021 01:56 PM)cidbearit Wrote:  

(02-04-2021 12:59 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(02-04-2021 10:19 AM)cidbearit Wrote:  

(02-04-2021 10:02 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  

(02-04-2021 09:41 AM)emu steve Wrote:  True. I didn't mention it because there is zero chance FB or MBB/WBB will be discontinued at EMU.

Yes, there can be 'extenuating circumstances' such as maybe a coaching staff being cited for harassment, or the student-athlete being say a crime victim and wants to leave the area, and of course, be close to home if there are health problems in the family.

However, with the MAC having compact geography it is hard to make the case of someone wanting to transfer from BG <--> TOL or Akr <-> Kent.

Or someone from Milan wanting to transfer EMU <--> TOL. We aren't talking a great distance.

i know im a broken record on this stuff - but all those restrictions are hot trash. players should be able to transfer wherever they want without sitting out a year - the same way coaches can.

That's a tough one. Coaches are under contract, so there is some restriction as to their movement based on the nature of their contract. If you were to allow movement among players like coaches do, you might need to set up a more formal contract system for players.

Once that happens, you'll have students demanding playtime clauses, position commitments, and a whole slew of other things that could tie the hands of coaches and have the potential to change the face of college football. Can you imagine a kid coming in as a freshman demanding a contract saying he will only play running back and must play at least 50% of the downs in his freshman year? And if that doesn't happen, he'll transfer to a program that will let him play? Now that might be a dramatic example of what could happen, but I don't think it would be too far-fetched.

I agree the system needs to allow some kind of movement between programs, but it can't be a wild-west free for all.

And we don't want players dropping out of school say October 1 and starting at another school and hope to play that season to boot.

They are STUDENTS.

One thing we never discuss is that unlike coaches, students enroll in academic programs which are defined by their universities.

Why would Harvard want a student to transfer in after 3 years of academics at Podunk U.?

What happens if the new school refuses to accept say 5 or 10 courses from the other school? Will the student-athlete graduate or simply come up short and not finish after he or she is off scholarship?

I do like the 5 years to play 4 because it offers the player a 'cushion' to complete his/her academics.

In short, employees of the athletic department are free to quit any time they wish (subject to their contract if they are that type of employee). Student athletes are students and follow the same rules as OTHER students.

Excellent point! They are students, first. You have to be admitted as a student before you can play as an athlete.

Yep. If students could transfer mid semester what student wouldn't have transferred to say MSU in 1966 for the Game of the Century vs. ND.

Seriously, rules and conventions which apply to professional employees don't apply to students or student/athletes.

Could you imagine Hutch giving C.C. two weeks notice that he was transferring to OSU?

And he arrives on campus and enrolls: Sorry, Dr. Jones, yes I know I missed the mid-term and all those papers...

Or the star running back at CMU decides he wants to transfer to EMU for the game vs. WMU. EMU compliances has to tell him that his course in basket weaving will not transfer and won't be used to calculate his eligibility at EMU...

(just joking CMU fans...).

(02-04-2021 03:15 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(02-04-2021 01:56 PM)cidbearit Wrote:  

(02-04-2021 12:59 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(02-04-2021 10:19 AM)cidbearit Wrote:  

(02-04-2021 10:02 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  i know im a broken record on this stuff - but all those restrictions are hot trash. players should be able to transfer wherever they want without sitting out a year - the same way coaches can.

That's a tough one. Coaches are under contract, so there is some restriction as to their movement based on the nature of their contract. If you were to allow movement among players like coaches do, you might need to set up a more formal contract system for players.

Once that happens, you'll have students demanding playtime clauses, position commitments, and a whole slew of other things that could tie the hands of coaches and have the potential to change the face of college football. Can you imagine a kid coming in as a freshman demanding a contract saying he will only play running back and must play at least 50% of the downs in his freshman year? And if that doesn't happen, he'll transfer to a program that will let him play? Now that might be a dramatic example of what could happen, but I don't think it would be too far-fetched.

I agree the system needs to allow some kind of movement between programs, but it can't be a wild-west free for all.

And we don't want players dropping out of school say October 1 and starting at another school and hope to play that season to boot.

They are STUDENTS.

One thing we never discuss is that unlike coaches, students enroll in academic programs which are defined by their universities.

Why would Harvard want a student to transfer in after 3 years of academics at Podunk U.?

What happens if the new school refuses to accept say 5 or 10 courses from the other school? Will the student-athlete graduate or simply come up short and not finish after he or she is off scholarship?

I do like the 5 years to play 4 because it offers the player a 'cushion' to complete his/her academics.

In short, employees of the athletic department are free to quit any time they wish (subject to their contract if they are that type of employee). Student athletes are students and follow the same rules as OTHER students.

Excellent point! They are students, first. You have to be admitted as a student before you can play as an athlete.

Yep. If students could transfer mid semester what student wouldn't have transferred to say MSU in 1966 for the Game of the Century vs. ND.

Seriously, rules and conventions which apply to professional employees don't apply to students or student/athletes.

Could you imagine Hutch giving C.C. two weeks notice that he was transferring to OSU?

And he arrives on campus and enrolls: Sorry, Dr. Jones, yes I know I missed the mid-term and all those papers...

Or the star running back at CMU decides he wants to transfer to EMU for the game vs. WMU. EMU compliances has to tell him that his course in basket weaving will not transfer and won't be used to calculate his eligibility at EMU...

(just joking CMU fans...).

i dont think anyone is seriously arguing player be allowed to transfer mid season

(02-04-2021 03:32 PM)dansplaining Wrote:  

(02-04-2021 03:15 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(02-04-2021 01:56 PM)cidbearit Wrote:  

(02-04-2021 12:59 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(02-04-2021 10:19 AM)cidbearit Wrote:  That's a tough one. Coaches are under contract, so there is some restriction as to their movement based on the nature of their contract. If you were to allow movement among players like coaches do, you might need to set up a more formal contract system for players.

Once that happens, you'll have students demanding playtime clauses, position commitments, and a whole slew of other things that could tie the hands of coaches and have the potential to change the face of college football. Can you imagine a kid coming in as a freshman demanding a contract saying he will only play running back and must play at least 50% of the downs in his freshman year? And if that doesn't happen, he'll transfer to a program that will let him play? Now that might be a dramatic example of what could happen, but I don't think it would be too far-fetched.

I agree the system needs to allow some kind of movement between programs, but it can't be a wild-west free for all.

And we don't want players dropping out of school say October 1 and starting at another school and hope to play that season to boot.

They are STUDENTS.

One thing we never discuss is that unlike coaches, students enroll in academic programs which are defined by their universities.

Why would Harvard want a student to transfer in after 3 years of academics at Podunk U.?

What happens if the new school refuses to accept say 5 or 10 courses from the other school? Will the student-athlete graduate or simply come up short and not finish after he or she is off scholarship?

I do like the 5 years to play 4 because it offers the player a 'cushion' to complete his/her academics.

In short, employees of the athletic department are free to quit any time they wish (subject to their contract if they are that type of employee). Student athletes are students and follow the same rules as OTHER students.

Excellent point! They are students, first. You have to be admitted as a student before you can play as an athlete.

Yep. If students could transfer mid semester what student wouldn't have transferred to say MSU in 1966 for the Game of the Century vs. ND.

Seriously, rules and conventions which apply to professional employees don't apply to students or student/athletes.

Could you imagine Hutch giving C.C. two weeks notice that he was transferring to OSU?

And he arrives on campus and enrolls: Sorry, Dr. Jones, yes I know I missed the mid-term and all those papers...

Or the star running back at CMU decides he wants to transfer to EMU for the game vs. WMU. EMU compliances has to tell him that his course in basket weaving will not transfer and won't be used to calculate his eligibility at EMU...

(just joking CMU fans...).

i dont think anyone is seriously arguing player be allowed to transfer mid season

True, but we are using it to point out the difference between an employee and a
student/athlete or student, for that matter.

Which is why rules which apply to coaches don't apply to those they coach.

(02-04-2021 03:37 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(02-04-2021 03:32 PM)dansplaining Wrote:  

(02-04-2021 03:15 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(02-04-2021 01:56 PM)cidbearit Wrote:  

(02-04-2021 12:59 PM)emu steve Wrote:  And we don't want players dropping out of school say October 1 and starting at another school and hope to play that season to boot.

They are STUDENTS.

One thing we never discuss is that unlike coaches, students enroll in academic programs which are defined by their universities.

Why would Harvard want a student to transfer in after 3 years of academics at Podunk U.?

What happens if the new school refuses to accept say 5 or 10 courses from the other school? Will the student-athlete graduate or simply come up short and not finish after he or she is off scholarship?

I do like the 5 years to play 4 because it offers the player a 'cushion' to complete his/her academics.

In short, employees of the athletic department are free to quit any time they wish (subject to their contract if they are that type of employee). Student athletes are students and follow the same rules as OTHER students.

Excellent point! They are students, first. You have to be admitted as a student before you can play as an athlete.

Yep. If students could transfer mid semester what student wouldn't have transferred to say MSU in 1966 for the Game of the Century vs. ND.

Seriously, rules and conventions which apply to professional employees don't apply to students or student/athletes.

Could you imagine Hutch giving C.C. two weeks notice that he was transferring to OSU?

And he arrives on campus and enrolls: Sorry, Dr. Jones, yes I know I missed the mid-term and all those papers...

Or the star running back at CMU decides he wants to transfer to EMU for the game vs. WMU. EMU compliances has to tell him that his course in basket weaving will not transfer and won't be used to calculate his eligibility at EMU...

(just joking CMU fans...).

i dont think anyone is seriously arguing player be allowed to transfer mid season

True, but we are using it to point out the difference between an employee and a
student/athlete or student, for that matter.

Which is why rules which apply to coaches don't apply to those they coach.

thats a terrible argument

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(02-15-2021 05:52 PM)emu steve Wrote:  https://twitter.com/TonyPaul1984/status/...35393?s=20

Good luck to Mackey. Got lost in the shuffle last year.

(02-15-2021 06:02 PM)emu79 Wrote:  

(02-15-2021 05:52 PM)emu steve Wrote:  https://twitter.com/TonyPaul1984/status/...35393?s=20

Good luck to Mackey. Got lost in the shuffle last year.

He was Eagle Tough's guy, almost assuredly because he garnered Mad Maxx's respect, not an insignificant accomplishment. I never saw him excel, however, perhaps due to his limited playing time or our lack of commitment to the running game. Nevertheless nothing but best wishes for his future!