(01-06-2021 11:19 PM)Thiefery Wrote:  

(01-06-2021 09:36 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(01-04-2021 11:01 AM)leofrog Wrote:  

(01-04-2021 10:45 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  My struggle with seeing this as a fit is this: does anyone see Sarkisian not only doing better than Herman (which is clearly a must) but taking Texas to the level that Oklahoma now has with Lincoln Riley? I certainly don't, which is why I almost see this as a set-up for both sides as a failure.

I think Herman deserved one more year. He got to a top-10 finish in his second year, was 4-0 in bowl games and had a top-10 recruiting class in both 2019 and 2020.

Did something happen behind the scenes that forced the move? Still seems puzzling to me (especially since Herman clearly was a better hire/fit than Charlie Strong).

I do see Sark bringing Texas up to Oklahoma’s level. I base this on his previous head coaching stops (bringing Washington up from last place), and learning under Saban. The reason I feel so strongly is I believe he can get the most out of a QB, which Texas has struggled with. They’ve had nice QB’s, but no one who could single handily win games consistently or put fear in defenses like Baker or Kyler. I think that changes.

Because that formula has worked swimmingly in the past at South Carolina, Tennessee (twice with Dooley and Pruitt), and Florida (twice with Muschamp and McElwain)

Gotta admit, Sark is different from those guys.. he had 2 P5 jobs plus a stint in the NFL as an OC.

None of which went very well.

Lane Kiffin, too, had two major P5 jobs in Tennessee and USC. However, he "recouped" lost value as a head coach, not just as an OC, but also at FAU and took over a non-elite job at Ole Miss. Sark is, once again, jumping into hot water for a position that had its previous occupants get fired three (Strong) and four years (Herman), respectively, and has top-10 aspirations. It could be like an Orgeron-type hire too, though (as he, too, was dismissed from both USC and Ole Miss prior), as he ended up winning a national championship. Time will tell.

Very fascinated to see how his tenure plays out. I personally don't think he succeeds there, but will gladly admit I'm wrong if it does work out.

Sark is walking into a MUCH better situation than any of his stops prior. For all the ridicule Texas gets, they do have a good roster of players, including a monster RB, Bijan Robinson. They also return an experienced secondary, LB core and DL. Only areas for concern are the DE position, OL depth, and the question marks at WR. But the reason for excitement is that Sark is an offensive guy so hopefully he knows how to adapt to the strength of this roster offensively.

This team is nowhere near the team Strong walked into (strong sr class, but terrible depth) much less Tom walked into (which had talent).

(01-07-2021 01:36 PM)Thiefery Wrote:  Sark is walking into a MUCH better situation than any of his stops prior. For all the ridicule Texas gets, they do have a good roster of players, including a monster RB, Bijan Robinson. They also return an experienced secondary, LB core and DL. Only areas for concern are the DE position, OL depth, and the question marks at WR. But the reason for excitement is that Sark is an offensive guy so hopefully he knows how to adapt to the strength of this roster offensively.

This team is nowhere near the team Strong walked into (strong sr class, but terrible depth) much less Tom walked into (which had talent).

Tom had zero depth and very little talent. Strong destroyed the roster.
He had two top 10 classes, but one was based on 4 top players from Florida, 3 of whom never showed up for the first game and one was John Burt who was a deep reserve his last 2 years. And the last year his lazy recruiting left Tom with only 6 committs. He had to scramble to get a class that wasn't even top 30.

Strong turned Texas into a team with average Big 12 talent and below average skill position talent.

(01-07-2021 12:11 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  Lane Kiffin, too, had two major P5 jobs in Tennessee and USC. However, he "recouped" lost value as a head coach, not just as an OC, but also at FAU and took over a non-elite job at Ole Miss. Sark is, once again, jumping into hot water for a position that had its previous occupants get fired three (Strong) and four years (Herman), respectively, and has top-10 aspirations. It could be like an Orgeron-type hire too, though (as he, too, was dismissed from both USC and Ole Miss prior), as he ended up winning a national championship. Time will tell.

Very fascinated to see how his tenure plays out. I personally don't think he succeeds there, but will gladly admit I'm wrong if it does work out.

Sark could have taken a somewhat lower-expectations job like Kiffin at Ole Miss -- he turned down Colorado last year -- but wanted to dive into hot water, as you put it.

Interesting to compare Kiffin and Sark because they are friends and were assistants together when Carroll was at USC. Sark is much more personable, but I'm not sure he's a better coach.

(01-07-2021 08:11 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-07-2021 01:36 PM)Thiefery Wrote:  Sark is walking into a MUCH better situation than any of his stops prior. For all the ridicule Texas gets, they do have a good roster of players, including a monster RB, Bijan Robinson. They also return an experienced secondary, LB core and DL. Only areas for concern are the DE position, OL depth, and the question marks at WR. But the reason for excitement is that Sark is an offensive guy so hopefully he knows how to adapt to the strength of this roster offensively.

This team is nowhere near the team Strong walked into (strong sr class, but terrible depth) much less Tom walked into (which had talent).

Tom had zero depth and very little talent. Strong destroyed the roster.
He had two top 10 classes, but one was based on 4 top players from Florida, 3 of whom never showed up for the first game and one was John Burt who was a deep reserve his last 2 years. And the last year his lazy recruiting left Tom with only 6 committs. He had to scramble to get a class that wasn't even top 30.

Strong turned Texas into a team with average Big 12 talent and below average skill position talent.

Offensively maybe but defensively he recruited the strong roster on that side of the ball that matured in 17 & 18.

(01-07-2021 11:08 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  

(01-07-2021 08:11 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-07-2021 01:36 PM)Thiefery Wrote:  Sark is walking into a MUCH better situation than any of his stops prior. For all the ridicule Texas gets, they do have a good roster of players, including a monster RB, Bijan Robinson. They also return an experienced secondary, LB core and DL. Only areas for concern are the DE position, OL depth, and the question marks at WR. But the reason for excitement is that Sark is an offensive guy so hopefully he knows how to adapt to the strength of this roster offensively.

This team is nowhere near the team Strong walked into (strong sr class, but terrible depth) much less Tom walked into (which had talent).

Tom had zero depth and very little talent. Strong destroyed the roster.
He had two top 10 classes, but one was based on 4 top players from Florida, 3 of whom never showed up for the first game and one was John Burt who was a deep reserve his last 2 years. And the last year his lazy recruiting left Tom with only 6 committs. He had to scramble to get a class that wasn't even top 30.

Strong turned Texas into a team with average Big 12 talent and below average skill position talent.

Offensively maybe but defensively he recruited the strong roster on that side of the ball that matured in 17 & 18.

There was no depth on defense. It was a huge dropoff after the starters. And the receivers and running backs didn't compare to OU, Oklahoma St. or Baylor. Maybe not TCU or Texas Tech. It was the only time in 50 years of watching Texas football I have seen Texas teams that weren't more talented than most of their opponents, even when McWilliams was coach. Charlie's first class, which fell apart when Mack was fired, was something like #22. He had those 2 top 10 classes, but if you dropped those 3 out of state stars who didn't show up, one of those was more like a #25. And Tom was stuck with something like a #31 when he came in. So he had a top 10 class, 2 20s and a 30 something to work with his first year. And Charlie ran a lot of players off so it was worse than that.

Charley Strong was just unbelievably bad. He was a worse game coach than he was a recruiter. I don't know how they made that pick.

(01-07-2021 08:11 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-07-2021 01:36 PM)Thiefery Wrote:  Sark is walking into a MUCH better situation than any of his stops prior. For all the ridicule Texas gets, they do have a good roster of players, including a monster RB, Bijan Robinson. They also return an experienced secondary, LB core and DL. Only areas for concern are the DE position, OL depth, and the question marks at WR. But the reason for excitement is that Sark is an offensive guy so hopefully he knows how to adapt to the strength of this roster offensively.

This team is nowhere near the team Strong walked into (strong sr class, but terrible depth) much less Tom walked into (which had talent).

Tom had zero depth and very little talent. Strong destroyed the roster.
He had two top 10 classes, but one was based on 4 top players from Florida, 3 of whom never showed up for the first game and one was John Burt who was a deep reserve his last 2 years. And the last year his lazy recruiting left Tom with only 6 committs. He had to scramble to get a class that wasn't even top 30.

Strong turned Texas into a team with average Big 12 talent and below average skill position talent.

Bullet, are you serious? Tom's best season in 2018 was on the back of Strong's class. Malcolm Roach, Charles Omenihue, lil Jordan Humphrey, Duvernay, Bradon Jones, Kris Boyd, PJ Locke

Those are all solid players. And he had really good players his first season in Austin like Elliot, Hill, Ford, Jefferson, Connor Williams and a kid named Shane Buchele.

Chuck walked in with a salty defense but again nothing behind as far as depth.. and a concussed waiting to happen Ash at QB. He also had Swoopes then Heard at QB. Chuck made a lot of errors along the way but he would have killed to have the roster Tom inherited compared to what he had post Mack.

Strong did not destroy the roster.. MACK destroyed the roster

(01-08-2021 10:49 AM)Thiefery Wrote:  

(01-07-2021 08:11 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-07-2021 01:36 PM)Thiefery Wrote:  Sark is walking into a MUCH better situation than any of his stops prior. For all the ridicule Texas gets, they do have a good roster of players, including a monster RB, Bijan Robinson. They also return an experienced secondary, LB core and DL. Only areas for concern are the DE position, OL depth, and the question marks at WR. But the reason for excitement is that Sark is an offensive guy so hopefully he knows how to adapt to the strength of this roster offensively.

This team is nowhere near the team Strong walked into (strong sr class, but terrible depth) much less Tom walked into (which had talent).

Tom had zero depth and very little talent. Strong destroyed the roster.
He had two top 10 classes, but one was based on 4 top players from Florida, 3 of whom never showed up for the first game and one was John Burt who was a deep reserve his last 2 years. And the last year his lazy recruiting left Tom with only 6 committs. He had to scramble to get a class that wasn't even top 30.

Strong turned Texas into a team with average Big 12 talent and below average skill position talent.

Bullet, are you serious? Tom's best season in 2018 was on the back of Strong's class. Malcolm Roach, Charles Omenihue, lil Jordan Humphrey, Duvernay, Bradon Jones, Kris Boyd, PJ Locke

Those are all solid players. And he had really good players his first season in Austin like Elliot, Hill, Ford, Jefferson, Connor Williams and a kid named Shane Buchele.

Chuck walked in with a salty defense but again nothing behind as far as depth.. and a concussed waiting to happen Ash at QB. He also had Swoopes then Heard at QB. Chuck made a lot of errors along the way but he would have killed to have the roster Tom inherited compared to what he had post Mack.

Strong did not destroy the roster.. MACK destroyed the roster

Strong ran off some guys on the OL and made some awful offensive staff hires when he first arrived. Mack's QB recruiting issues didn't do him any favors and he didn't get good depth on the OL.

(01-08-2021 01:39 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-07-2021 11:08 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  

(01-07-2021 08:11 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-07-2021 01:36 PM)Thiefery Wrote:  Sark is walking into a MUCH better situation than any of his stops prior. For all the ridicule Texas gets, they do have a good roster of players, including a monster RB, Bijan Robinson. They also return an experienced secondary, LB core and DL. Only areas for concern are the DE position, OL depth, and the question marks at WR. But the reason for excitement is that Sark is an offensive guy so hopefully he knows how to adapt to the strength of this roster offensively.

This team is nowhere near the team Strong walked into (strong sr class, but terrible depth) much less Tom walked into (which had talent).

Tom had zero depth and very little talent. Strong destroyed the roster.
He had two top 10 classes, but one was based on 4 top players from Florida, 3 of whom never showed up for the first game and one was John Burt who was a deep reserve his last 2 years. And the last year his lazy recruiting left Tom with only 6 committs. He had to scramble to get a class that wasn't even top 30.

Strong turned Texas into a team with average Big 12 talent and below average skill position talent.

Offensively maybe but defensively he recruited the strong roster on that side of the ball that matured in 17 & 18.

There was no depth on defense. It was a huge dropoff after the starters. And the receivers and running backs didn't compare to OU, Oklahoma St. or Baylor. Maybe not TCU or Texas Tech. It was the only time in 50 years of watching Texas football I have seen Texas teams that weren't more talented than most of their opponents, even when McWilliams was coach. Charlie's first class, which fell apart when Mack was fired, was something like #22. He had those 2 top 10 classes, but if you dropped those 3 out of state stars who didn't show up, one of those was more like a #25. And Tom was stuck with something like a #31 when he came in. So he had a top 10 class, 2 20s and a 30 something to work with his first year. And Charlie ran a lot of players off so it was worse than that.

Charley Strong was just unbelievably bad. He was a worse game coach than he was a recruiter. I don't know how they made that pick.

Texas defense players that Herman inherited from Chuck:
Poona Ford, Chris Nelson, Malik Jefferson, Holton Hill, Kris Boyd, Deshon Elliot, Davante Davis, Charles Omenihue, PJ Locke, Breckyn Hager, Brandon Jones, Jeffrey McCullough, Jordan Elliot, Malcolm Roach, John Bonney and CHris Brown.

Not even mentioning players who were just depth like Chris Daniels, Freeman, Wilbon, etc.

Charlie ran some of Mack's players off that never did anything elsewhere. The funny part about all of this was Chuck told the 2015 class (his first true class) that they were taking back the initial commits that Mack secured. He released 5 of them and they all ended up at FCS level schools.. just to show how far Mack had fallen as far as evaluations.

So yes we can talk about all of Chucks mistakes and yes, even missed evaluations but acting like there was bad or not much talent that Tom walked into is a complete joke. I understand if it Tom walked in 2014 in Austin.. I would completely agree with that but the teams inherited are night and day opposites.

(01-08-2021 01:39 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-07-2021 11:08 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  

(01-07-2021 08:11 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-07-2021 01:36 PM)Thiefery Wrote:  Sark is walking into a MUCH better situation than any of his stops prior. For all the ridicule Texas gets, they do have a good roster of players, including a monster RB, Bijan Robinson. They also return an experienced secondary, LB core and DL. Only areas for concern are the DE position, OL depth, and the question marks at WR. But the reason for excitement is that Sark is an offensive guy so hopefully he knows how to adapt to the strength of this roster offensively.

This team is nowhere near the team Strong walked into (strong sr class, but terrible depth) much less Tom walked into (which had talent).

Tom had zero depth and very little talent. Strong destroyed the roster.
He had two top 10 classes, but one was based on 4 top players from Florida, 3 of whom never showed up for the first game and one was John Burt who was a deep reserve his last 2 years. And the last year his lazy recruiting left Tom with only 6 committs. He had to scramble to get a class that wasn't even top 30.

Strong turned Texas into a team with average Big 12 talent and below average skill position talent.

Offensively maybe but defensively he recruited the strong roster on that side of the ball that matured in 17 & 18.

There was no depth on defense. It was a huge dropoff after the starters. And the receivers and running backs didn't compare to OU, Oklahoma St. or Baylor. Maybe not TCU or Texas Tech. It was the only time in 50 years of watching Texas football I have seen Texas teams that weren't more talented than most of their opponents, even when McWilliams was coach. Charlie's first class, which fell apart when Mack was fired, was something like #22. He had those 2 top 10 classes, but if you dropped those 3 out of state stars who didn't show up, one of those was more like a #25. And Tom was stuck with something like a #31 when he came in. So he had a top 10 class, 2 20s and a 30 something to work with his first year. And Charlie ran a lot of players off so it was worse than that.

Charley Strong was just unbelievably bad. He was a worse game coach than he was a recruiter. I don't know how they made that pick.

Running off key guys was bad- we agree there.

I'm not using recruiting rankings to evaluate his recruiting- I am using the face that basically anyone not named Ehlinger, Ingram, or Cosmi that won that Sugar Bowl and made it to the Big 12 title game was recruited out of HS by Strong. He built up a good defensive roster that matured when Tom arrived with Orlando.

We sit here after year four of Herman. The roster is mostly his and the skill talent you lament Strong for is worse now. Opponents worried about Johnson, Humphrey, and Duvernay much more than any WR currently in Austin. Neither were great at skill talent but one was clearly able to identify talent better. Additionally he actually had experience finding it as he built Louisville's roster and Herman inherited UH's.

Neither were good fits for UT.

(01-08-2021 11:03 AM)1845 Bear Wrote:  

(01-08-2021 10:49 AM)Thiefery Wrote:  

(01-07-2021 08:11 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-07-2021 01:36 PM)Thiefery Wrote:  Sark is walking into a MUCH better situation than any of his stops prior. For all the ridicule Texas gets, they do have a good roster of players, including a monster RB, Bijan Robinson. They also return an experienced secondary, LB core and DL. Only areas for concern are the DE position, OL depth, and the question marks at WR. But the reason for excitement is that Sark is an offensive guy so hopefully he knows how to adapt to the strength of this roster offensively.

This team is nowhere near the team Strong walked into (strong sr class, but terrible depth) much less Tom walked into (which had talent).

Tom had zero depth and very little talent. Strong destroyed the roster.
He had two top 10 classes, but one was based on 4 top players from Florida, 3 of whom never showed up for the first game and one was John Burt who was a deep reserve his last 2 years. And the last year his lazy recruiting left Tom with only 6 committs. He had to scramble to get a class that wasn't even top 30.

Strong turned Texas into a team with average Big 12 talent and below average skill position talent.

Bullet, are you serious? Tom's best season in 2018 was on the back of Strong's class. Malcolm Roach, Charles Omenihue, lil Jordan Humphrey, Duvernay, Bradon Jones, Kris Boyd, PJ Locke

Those are all solid players. And he had really good players his first season in Austin like Elliot, Hill, Ford, Jefferson, Connor Williams and a kid named Shane Buchele.

Chuck walked in with a salty defense but again nothing behind as far as depth.. and a concussed waiting to happen Ash at QB. He also had Swoopes then Heard at QB. Chuck made a lot of errors along the way but he would have killed to have the roster Tom inherited compared to what he had post Mack.

Strong did not destroy the roster.. MACK destroyed the roster

Strong ran off some guys on the OL and made some awful offensive staff hires when he first arrived. Mack's QB recruiting issues didn't do him any favors and he didn't get good depth on the OL.

The one OL that actually went to another P5 school (Auburn?) didn't do much there either. But you are correct, Chuck made some terrible staff hires..well actually one that really really cost him this job after just three years... and that was at OC.

I know he wanted Chad Morris and Morris was interested but Steve Patterson axed that idea because he was trying to save every nickle and dime. Did not want to pay Clemson for Morris buyout. Hell Patterson also denied money to tailor the team with suits for gamedays..which Chuck was going to pay out of his own pocket.. then a couple BMDs caught wind of this and straightened it out with Patterson immediately.

Chuck era was so bad, not just because of the product on the field, but the joke that was the Admin manned by Patterson. Perrin loved Chuck and had his back til Chuck couldn't win and lost to KU..Perrin couldn't save him at that point.

Tom came in on a white horse and got anything he wanted.. and he had the same, if not more miscues than Chuck had..

(01-08-2021 10:49 AM)Thiefery Wrote:  

(01-07-2021 08:11 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-07-2021 01:36 PM)Thiefery Wrote:  Sark is walking into a MUCH better situation than any of his stops prior. For all the ridicule Texas gets, they do have a good roster of players, including a monster RB, Bijan Robinson. They also return an experienced secondary, LB core and DL. Only areas for concern are the DE position, OL depth, and the question marks at WR. But the reason for excitement is that Sark is an offensive guy so hopefully he knows how to adapt to the strength of this roster offensively.

This team is nowhere near the team Strong walked into (strong sr class, but terrible depth) much less Tom walked into (which had talent).

Tom had zero depth and very little talent. Strong destroyed the roster.
He had two top 10 classes, but one was based on 4 top players from Florida, 3 of whom never showed up for the first game and one was John Burt who was a deep reserve his last 2 years. And the last year his lazy recruiting left Tom with only 6 committs. He had to scramble to get a class that wasn't even top 30.

Strong turned Texas into a team with average Big 12 talent and below average skill position talent.

Bullet, are you serious? Tom's best season in 2018 was on the back of Strong's class. Malcolm Roach, Charles Omenihue, lil Jordan Humphrey, Duvernay, Bradon Jones, Kris Boyd, PJ Locke

Those are all solid players. And he had really good players his first season in Austin like Elliot, Hill, Ford, Jefferson, Connor Williams and a kid named Shane Buchele.

Chuck walked in with a salty defense but again nothing behind as far as depth.. and a concussed waiting to happen Ash at QB. He also had Swoopes then Heard at QB. Chuck made a lot of errors along the way but he would have killed to have the roster Tom inherited compared to what he had post Mack.

Strong did not destroy the roster.. MACK destroyed the roster

Charlie's defenses were the worst in Texas history. They did all the things the Diaz defenses did for 3 years. Mack fixed it in two games with Greg Robinson. Then all the mistakes started up again under Charlie. Mack exposed Diaz's defenses again when UNC played Miami. The talent was spotty and not deep. Charlie drove off some of Mack's talent. Now there was some questionable character, but those were Charlie's choices.

Charlie had 3 straight losing seasons. The ONLY other time that has happened in Texas history was the 1930s. And it was because he was a lousy game coach, a lazy recruiter and didn't develop the talent he had.

Strong hired a bunch of his acquaintances. And from the first day it looked like he was afraid to hire anyone smarter than him. And every hire was the same. And Charlie wasn't very smart. I've never seen a coach make more boneheaded game day decisions other than Les Miles. You can hire good people with a small budget.

(01-08-2021 11:04 AM)Thiefery Wrote:  

(01-08-2021 01:39 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-07-2021 11:08 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  

(01-07-2021 08:11 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-07-2021 01:36 PM)Thiefery Wrote:  Sark is walking into a MUCH better situation than any of his stops prior. For all the ridicule Texas gets, they do have a good roster of players, including a monster RB, Bijan Robinson. They also return an experienced secondary, LB core and DL. Only areas for concern are the DE position, OL depth, and the question marks at WR. But the reason for excitement is that Sark is an offensive guy so hopefully he knows how to adapt to the strength of this roster offensively.

This team is nowhere near the team Strong walked into (strong sr class, but terrible depth) much less Tom walked into (which had talent).

Tom had zero depth and very little talent. Strong destroyed the roster.
He had two top 10 classes, but one was based on 4 top players from Florida, 3 of whom never showed up for the first game and one was John Burt who was a deep reserve his last 2 years. And the last year his lazy recruiting left Tom with only 6 committs. He had to scramble to get a class that wasn't even top 30.

Strong turned Texas into a team with average Big 12 talent and below average skill position talent.

Offensively maybe but defensively he recruited the strong roster on that side of the ball that matured in 17 & 18.

There was no depth on defense. It was a huge dropoff after the starters. And the receivers and running backs didn't compare to OU, Oklahoma St. or Baylor. Maybe not TCU or Texas Tech. It was the only time in 50 years of watching Texas football I have seen Texas teams that weren't more talented than most of their opponents, even when McWilliams was coach. Charlie's first class, which fell apart when Mack was fired, was something like #22. He had those 2 top 10 classes, but if you dropped those 3 out of state stars who didn't show up, one of those was more like a #25. And Tom was stuck with something like a #31 when he came in. So he had a top 10 class, 2 20s and a 30 something to work with his first year. And Charlie ran a lot of players off so it was worse than that.

Charley Strong was just unbelievably bad. He was a worse game coach than he was a recruiter. I don't know how they made that pick.

Texas defense players that Herman inherited from Chuck:
Poona Ford, Chris Nelson, Malik Jefferson, Holton Hill, Kris Boyd, Deshon Elliot, Davante Davis, Charles Omenihue, PJ Locke, Breckyn Hager, Brandon Jones, Jeffrey McCullough, Jordan Elliot, Malcolm Roach, John Bonney and CHris Brown.

Not even mentioning players who were just depth like Chris Daniels, Freeman, Wilbon, etc.

Charlie ran some of Mack's players off that never did anything elsewhere. The funny part about all of this was Chuck told the 2015 class (his first true class) that they were taking back the initial commits that Mack secured. He released 5 of them and they all ended up at FCS level schools.. just to show how far Mack had fallen as far as evaluations.

So yes we can talk about all of Chucks mistakes and yes, even missed evaluations but acting like there was bad or not much talent that Tom walked into is a complete joke. I understand if it Tom walked in 2014 in Austin.. I would completely agree with that but the teams inherited are night and day opposites.

Mack didn't do a great job evaluating potential after 2005. He got complacent. But when you are in December, there aren't a lot of choices of places to go.

Mack was 30 minutes from a Big 12 title his last season with that talent. Charlie wasn't 30 minutes from the middle of the Big 12.

Herman will most likely do TV for a season. If Urban Meyer gets the Jacksonville Jaguars job, I could see Herman coming in to replace him on Big Noon Kickoff. Herman would be smart to keep an eye on in-state openings and not move too far off from the recruiting zones he knows.

(01-08-2021 11:12 AM)Thiefery Wrote:  

(01-08-2021 11:03 AM)1845 Bear Wrote:  

(01-08-2021 10:49 AM)Thiefery Wrote:  

(01-07-2021 08:11 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-07-2021 01:36 PM)Thiefery Wrote:  Sark is walking into a MUCH better situation than any of his stops prior. For all the ridicule Texas gets, they do have a good roster of players, including a monster RB, Bijan Robinson. They also return an experienced secondary, LB core and DL. Only areas for concern are the DE position, OL depth, and the question marks at WR. But the reason for excitement is that Sark is an offensive guy so hopefully he knows how to adapt to the strength of this roster offensively.

This team is nowhere near the team Strong walked into (strong sr class, but terrible depth) much less Tom walked into (which had talent).

Tom had zero depth and very little talent. Strong destroyed the roster.
He had two top 10 classes, but one was based on 4 top players from Florida, 3 of whom never showed up for the first game and one was John Burt who was a deep reserve his last 2 years. And the last year his lazy recruiting left Tom with only 6 committs. He had to scramble to get a class that wasn't even top 30.

Strong turned Texas into a team with average Big 12 talent and below average skill position talent.

Bullet, are you serious? Tom's best season in 2018 was on the back of Strong's class. Malcolm Roach, Charles Omenihue, lil Jordan Humphrey, Duvernay, Bradon Jones, Kris Boyd, PJ Locke

Those are all solid players. And he had really good players his first season in Austin like Elliot, Hill, Ford, Jefferson, Connor Williams and a kid named Shane Buchele.

Chuck walked in with a salty defense but again nothing behind as far as depth.. and a concussed waiting to happen Ash at QB. He also had Swoopes then Heard at QB. Chuck made a lot of errors along the way but he would have killed to have the roster Tom inherited compared to what he had post Mack.

Strong did not destroy the roster.. MACK destroyed the roster

Strong ran off some guys on the OL and made some awful offensive staff hires when he first arrived. Mack's QB recruiting issues didn't do him any favors and he didn't get good depth on the OL.

The one OL that actually went to another P5 school (Auburn?) didn't do much there either. But you are correct, Chuck made some terrible staff hires..well actually one that really really cost him this job after just three years... and that was at OC.

I know he wanted Chad Morris and Morris was interested but Steve Patterson axed that idea because he was trying to save every nickle and dime. Did not want to pay Clemson for Morris buyout. Hell Patterson also denied money to tailor the team with suits for gamedays..which Chuck was going to pay out of his own pocket.. then a couple BMDs caught wind of this and straightened it out with Patterson immediately.

Chuck era was so bad, not just because of the product on the field, but the joke that was the Admin manned by Patterson. Perrin loved Chuck and had his back til Chuck couldn't win and lost to KU..Perrin couldn't save him at that point.

Tom came in on a white horse and got anything he wanted.. and he had the same, if not more miscues than Chuck had..

Well damn. We missed a chance to be a year ahead in our playoff run. Even with the injury to Watson against GT Elliott and Scott showed in the Russell Athletic Bowl they had much more of an idea how to adapt the offense to get the best out of Cole Stoudt than Morris ever did. Then Texas could have dealt with The Chad trying to force a square peg into a round hols and abandoning the running game at key points in the game.

(01-08-2021 11:41 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-08-2021 10:49 AM)Thiefery Wrote:  

(01-07-2021 08:11 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-07-2021 01:36 PM)Thiefery Wrote:  Sark is walking into a MUCH better situation than any of his stops prior. For all the ridicule Texas gets, they do have a good roster of players, including a monster RB, Bijan Robinson. They also return an experienced secondary, LB core and DL. Only areas for concern are the DE position, OL depth, and the question marks at WR. But the reason for excitement is that Sark is an offensive guy so hopefully he knows how to adapt to the strength of this roster offensively.

This team is nowhere near the team Strong walked into (strong sr class, but terrible depth) much less Tom walked into (which had talent).

Tom had zero depth and very little talent. Strong destroyed the roster.
He had two top 10 classes, but one was based on 4 top players from Florida, 3 of whom never showed up for the first game and one was John Burt who was a deep reserve his last 2 years. And the last year his lazy recruiting left Tom with only 6 committs. He had to scramble to get a class that wasn't even top 30.

Strong turned Texas into a team with average Big 12 talent and below average skill position talent.

Bullet, are you serious? Tom's best season in 2018 was on the back of Strong's class. Malcolm Roach, Charles Omenihue, lil Jordan Humphrey, Duvernay, Bradon Jones, Kris Boyd, PJ Locke

Those are all solid players. And he had really good players his first season in Austin like Elliot, Hill, Ford, Jefferson, Connor Williams and a kid named Shane Buchele.

Chuck walked in with a salty defense but again nothing behind as far as depth.. and a concussed waiting to happen Ash at QB. He also had Swoopes then Heard at QB. Chuck made a lot of errors along the way but he would have killed to have the roster Tom inherited compared to what he had post Mack.

Strong did not destroy the roster.. MACK destroyed the roster

Charlie's defenses were the worst in Texas history. They did all the things the Diaz defenses did for 3 years. Mack fixed it in two games with Greg Robinson. Then all the mistakes started up again under Charlie. Mack exposed Diaz's defenses again when UNC played Miami. The talent was spotty and not deep. Charlie drove off some of Mack's talent. Now there was some questionable character, but those were Charlie's choices.

Charlie had 3 straight losing seasons. The ONLY other time that has happened in Texas history was the 1930s. And it was because he was a lousy game coach, a lazy recruiter and didn't develop the talent he had.

Chuck had a good defense his first season in Austin, but once guys like Jordan Hicks, Peter Jinkens, Malcolm Brown, Adrian COlbert, Quandre Diggs, Cedrick Reed, Desmond Jackson and Mykelle Thompson left by declaring or graduation.. there was literally not much left. It was the reason why Bedford had to start 5 true freshman on defense the following season where they got blown out over and over again.

Please tell me who Chuck ran off that was going to be a difference maker into helping that 2015 defense? The Sr class for 2015 was Hassan Ridgeway, Shiro Davis on defense.. that was it. Again Mack killed the program with his recruiting. Please go look at the 2011/2012/2013 again.. don't let the #1 class overall fool you.. look where all those players ended up..

(01-08-2021 10:48 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(01-08-2021 11:12 AM)Thiefery Wrote:  

(01-08-2021 11:03 AM)1845 Bear Wrote:  

(01-08-2021 10:49 AM)Thiefery Wrote:  

(01-07-2021 08:11 PM)bullet Wrote:  Tom had zero depth and very little talent. Strong destroyed the roster.
He had two top 10 classes, but one was based on 4 top players from Florida, 3 of whom never showed up for the first game and one was John Burt who was a deep reserve his last 2 years. And the last year his lazy recruiting left Tom with only 6 committs. He had to scramble to get a class that wasn't even top 30.

Strong turned Texas into a team with average Big 12 talent and below average skill position talent.

Bullet, are you serious? Tom's best season in 2018 was on the back of Strong's class. Malcolm Roach, Charles Omenihue, lil Jordan Humphrey, Duvernay, Bradon Jones, Kris Boyd, PJ Locke

Those are all solid players. And he had really good players his first season in Austin like Elliot, Hill, Ford, Jefferson, Connor Williams and a kid named Shane Buchele.

Chuck walked in with a salty defense but again nothing behind as far as depth.. and a concussed waiting to happen Ash at QB. He also had Swoopes then Heard at QB. Chuck made a lot of errors along the way but he would have killed to have the roster Tom inherited compared to what he had post Mack.

Strong did not destroy the roster.. MACK destroyed the roster

Strong ran off some guys on the OL and made some awful offensive staff hires when he first arrived. Mack's QB recruiting issues didn't do him any favors and he didn't get good depth on the OL.

The one OL that actually went to another P5 school (Auburn?) didn't do much there either. But you are correct, Chuck made some terrible staff hires..well actually one that really really cost him this job after just three years... and that was at OC.

I know he wanted Chad Morris and Morris was interested but Steve Patterson axed that idea because he was trying to save every nickle and dime. Did not want to pay Clemson for Morris buyout. Hell Patterson also denied money to tailor the team with suits for gamedays..which Chuck was going to pay out of his own pocket.. then a couple BMDs caught wind of this and straightened it out with Patterson immediately.

Chuck era was so bad, not just because of the product on the field, but the joke that was the Admin manned by Patterson. Perrin loved Chuck and had his back til Chuck couldn't win and lost to KU..Perrin couldn't save him at that point.

Tom came in on a white horse and got anything he wanted.. and he had the same, if not more miscues than Chuck had..

Well damn. We missed a chance to be a year ahead in our playoff run. Even with the injury to Watson against GT Elliott and Scott showed in the Russell Athletic Bowl they had much more of an idea how to adapt the offense to get the best out of Cole Stoudt than Morris ever did. Then Texas could have dealt with The Chad trying to force a square peg into a round hols and abandoning the running game at key points in the game.

Oh yeah I agree, Morris had his own issues but at the time, he was one of the hottest names.. and for his faults he was still 3 times as better as Shawn Watson.

Morris took the SMU job a year later and he somehow failed his way up to the Arkansas gig.

(01-08-2021 10:12 PM)Realignment Wrote:  Herman will most likely do TV for a season. If Urban Meyer gets the Jacksonville Jaguars job, I could see Herman coming in to replace him on Big Noon Kickoff. Herman would be smart to keep an eye on in-state openings and not move too far off from the recruiting zones he knows.

Hermann isn't much of a TV personality.

He has coached in Texas, Ohio and Iowa and is from California. He has a pretty broad geographic experience.