(11-25-2020 09:28 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(11-25-2020 01:34 AM)EagleNationRising Wrote:  It’s crazy how Iowa State is ranked so high with multiple losses, while ULL who beat them and has one loss to ranked Coastal Carolina is unranked.

Iowa St (2 losses) loses by 17 to Louisiana, BYU (undefeated) beats down a similar team to Louisiana in Boise St 51-14, yet Iowa St is ranked above BYU.

That is a head-scratcher.

(11-25-2020 01:34 AM)EagleNationRising Wrote:  It’s crazy how Iowa State is ranked so high with multiple losses, while ULL who beat them and has one loss to ranked Coastal Carolina is unranked.

Yet... Oklahoma is one spot in front of Iowa State, who beat Oklahoma.

(11-25-2020 09:40 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Also, Louisiana (7-1) with a top-20 loss and a top-15 win being left out so the committee could put in the chairman's Iowa Hawkeyes (3-2) with an unranked loss and 3 wins over a 3-11 trio is exactly why a committee of socially-influenced old men makes a mockery of the sport.

ULL also has 4 one score wins in their 7 wins. Other than Iowa St. in the first game and a good loss to Coastal Carolina, they haven't been impressive.

Oklahoma's high ranking makes it clear the committee is weighting early season games less. They always have a recency bias, but with the pandemic, it seems like they are doing that even more.

(11-25-2020 10:19 AM)utpotts Wrote:  

(11-25-2020 01:34 AM)EagleNationRising Wrote:  It’s crazy how Iowa State is ranked so high with multiple losses, while ULL who beat them and has one loss to ranked Coastal Carolina is unranked.

Yet... Oklahoma is one spot in front of Iowa State, who beat Oklahoma.

That’s called ignoring actual on field results and voting by brand name.

(11-25-2020 09:22 AM)RUScarlets Wrote:  

(11-25-2020 08:35 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  I think 2020 is the year I give up on cfb until a better, much expanded playoff bracket presents. I know Ohio State might be good, but you simply can’t reward 4-0 with wins against the dumpster fires at Penn State, Nebraska, and Rutgers. The version of the game will always be about the name. 2020 is so different and it should reflect in the playoff. But, I guess not. Cincy is going to be hosed big time. And the observation about ULL and ISU is spot on.

I think the last few years has to play into OSU getting benefit of the doubt. They should have beat Clemson last year. They are returning the QB. You can't pass up on an 8-0 OSU. What I don't feel happy about are the prospects of both Clemson/ND getting in this year especially with NDs atypical schedule (won't play Miami no less). I feel they shouldn't get in unless they win out. If it came down to A&M and ND at one loss, it will be a tough call for the committee, but I feel ND should be kicked out barring them keeping it really, really close against a Lawrence-led Clemson. Clearly, ND and A&M have to be the odds on favorite over Cincy should everyone hold serve. You can't put two Ohio schools in there.

Why can't you put two Ohio schools in there?

No one had a problem with 2 North Carolina schools as #1 seeds in the NCAA tournament in 1998, 2005, or 2019.

No one had a problem with Ohio State vs Cincinnati in the 1961 or 1962 National Championship Game in basketball.

No one had a problem the College Baseball Championship Game being Miami vs Florida State in 1999, or USC vs Cal State Fullerton in 1995, or Cal State Fullerton vs Pepperdine in 1992.


Or, if you only care about football..... The 1996 Bowl Alliance Championship Game was #3 Florida vs #1 Florida State in the Sugar Bowl. The game was a rematch from Thanksgiving weekend.

(11-25-2020 12:53 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(11-25-2020 09:22 AM)RUScarlets Wrote:  

(11-25-2020 08:35 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  I think 2020 is the year I give up on cfb until a better, much expanded playoff bracket presents. I know Ohio State might be good, but you simply can’t reward 4-0 with wins against the dumpster fires at Penn State, Nebraska, and Rutgers. The version of the game will always be about the name. 2020 is so different and it should reflect in the playoff. But, I guess not. Cincy is going to be hosed big time. And the observation about ULL and ISU is spot on.

I think the last few years has to play into OSU getting benefit of the doubt. They should have beat Clemson last year. They are returning the QB. You can't pass up on an 8-0 OSU. What I don't feel happy about are the prospects of both Clemson/ND getting in this year especially with NDs atypical schedule (won't play Miami no less). I feel they shouldn't get in unless they win out. If it came down to A&M and ND at one loss, it will be a tough call for the committee, but I feel ND should be kicked out barring them keeping it really, really close against a Lawrence-led Clemson. Clearly, ND and A&M have to be the odds on favorite over Cincy should everyone hold serve. You can't put two Ohio schools in there.

Why can't you put two Ohio schools in there?

No one had a problem with 2 North Carolina schools as #1 seeds in the NCAA tournament in 1998, 2005, or 2019.

No one had a problem with Ohio State vs Cincinnati in the 1961 or 1962 National Championship Game in basketball.

No one had a problem the College Baseball Championship Game being Miami vs Florida State in 1999, or USC vs Cal State Fullerton in 1995, or Cal State Fullerton vs Pepperdine in 1992.


Or, if you only care about football..... The 1996 Bowl Alliance Championship Game was #3 Florida vs #1 Florida State in the Sugar Bowl. The game was a rematch from Thanksgiving weekend.

Well that was only because Texas upset Nebraska in the first Big 12 ccg, going for it on 4th and 3 inside their own 30, up 3 points in the 4th quarter.

I’m guessing if Texas and Texas A&M finished in the top 4 you P5 guys would take no issue with it.

Who cares if they’re from the same state!

(11-25-2020 01:27 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  I’m guessing if Texas and Texas A&M finished in the top 4 you P5 guys would take no issue with it.

FWIW, I have zero issue with two teams from the same state being in the playoffs. They just have to deserve it by having beaten top teams.

I would have no problem with three teams (or even four) from the same state being in the top four at any point in a season — if deserving.

Would be incredible one year to see a weekly rating (or even the College Football Playoff) with this:

* Florida

* FSU or Miami

* USF or UCF

* FIU or FAU


Or this:

* Texas A&M

* Texas or Texas Tech

* Houston or SMU

* North Texas, Texas-San Antonio, Rice or UTEP

* Texas State

(11-25-2020 09:22 AM)RUScarlets Wrote:  

(11-25-2020 08:35 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  I think 2020 is the year I give up on cfb until a better, much expanded playoff bracket presents. I know Ohio State might be good, but you simply can’t reward 4-0 with wins against the dumpster fires at Penn State, Nebraska, and Rutgers. The version of the game will always be about the name. 2020 is so different and it should reflect in the playoff. But, I guess not. Cincy is going to be hosed big time. And the observation about ULL and ISU is spot on.

I think the last few years has to play into OSU getting benefit of the doubt. They should have beat Clemson last year. They are returning the QB. You can't pass up on an 8-0 OSU. What I don't feel happy about are the prospects of both Clemson/ND getting in this year especially with NDs atypical schedule (won't play Miami no less). I feel they shouldn't get in unless they win out. If it came down to A&M and ND at one loss, it will be a tough call for the committee, but I feel ND should be kicked out barring them keeping it really, really close against a Lawrence-led Clemson. Clearly, ND and A&M have to be the odds on favorite over Cincy should everyone hold serve. You can't put two Ohio schools in there.

I'm sorry, but the OSU I see is one that has only played one .500 or better team thus far (and who knows about what's to come with Michigan). And that one good game is an unusually "good" Indiana, to which Ohio State didn't obliterate.

IMO, the same bias that looks at Cincy, Coastal, and/or BYU and says "you didn't play anyone" is obviously ignoring what Ohio State is playing and focusing on the name and conference. No, Nebraska sucks, and Penn State might be the worst they've ever been (and a potential winless squad).

Fewer games, bad opposition...it's a total bias to even see them in the top 10 let alone top 4.

A returning squad is one thing, but there has to be more. And it can't be just the name "Ohio State."

(11-25-2020 03:56 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(11-25-2020 09:22 AM)RUScarlets Wrote:  

(11-25-2020 08:35 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  I think 2020 is the year I give up on cfb until a better, much expanded playoff bracket presents. I know Ohio State might be good, but you simply can’t reward 4-0 with wins against the dumpster fires at Penn State, Nebraska, and Rutgers. The version of the game will always be about the name. 2020 is so different and it should reflect in the playoff. But, I guess not. Cincy is going to be hosed big time. And the observation about ULL and ISU is spot on.

I think the last few years has to play into OSU getting benefit of the doubt. They should have beat Clemson last year. They are returning the QB. You can't pass up on an 8-0 OSU. What I don't feel happy about are the prospects of both Clemson/ND getting in this year especially with NDs atypical schedule (won't play Miami no less). I feel they shouldn't get in unless they win out. If it came down to A&M and ND at one loss, it will be a tough call for the committee, but I feel ND should be kicked out barring them keeping it really, really close against a Lawrence-led Clemson. Clearly, ND and A&M have to be the odds on favorite over Cincy should everyone hold serve. You can't put two Ohio schools in there.

I'm sorry, but the OSU I see is one that has only played one .500 or better team thus far (and who knows about what's to come with Michigan). And that one good game is an unusually "good" Indiana, to which Ohio State didn't obliterate.

IMO, the same bias that looks at Cincy, Coastal, and/or BYU and says "you didn't play anyone" is obviously ignoring what Ohio State is playing and focusing on the name and conference. No, Nebraska sucks, and Penn State might be the worst they've ever been (and a potential winless squad).

Fewer games, bad opposition...it's a total bias to even see them in the top 10 let alone top 4.

A returning squad is one thing, but there has to be more. And it can't be just the name "Ohio State."

Obviously you don’t understand how this whole thing works. :)

BYU is totally getting screwed. They should get an At-Large bid if they win out even if Cincinnati gets one too.

I see all kinds of talk, but no mention of Iowa at 3-2 being ranked? You know their AD just happens to be on the committee.

Their losses are to NW, respectable and Purdue who is 2-2
Surely you say they have beat someone of import to gain such a ranking.
First don't call me Shirley, second I say nay good neighbor, nay. Nike has thrice blessed them but the overcome foes hold no lofty ranking or record. Winless Penn St, 1-3 Michigan St, and the mighty 2-3 Minnesota.
They have lowly Nebraska and Illinois before finishing vs a ranked Wisconsin. Funny how that happened.

(11-25-2020 06:49 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  I see all kinds of talk, but no mention of Iowa at 3-2 being ranked? You know their AD just happens to be on the committee.

Their losses are to NW, respectable and Purdue who is 2-2
Surely you say they have beat someone of import to gain such a ranking.
First don't call me Shirley, second I say nay good neighbor, nay. Nike has thrice blessed them but the overcome foes hold no lofty ranking or record. Winless Penn St, 1-3 Michigan St, and the mighty 2-3 Minnesota.
They have lowly Nebraska and Illinois before finishing vs a ranked Wisconsin. Funny how that happened.

Big 10 always seems to be very heavily represented on the committee.

Looking at the 13's connections, not as many with a lot of connections as usual (not sure who the ACC official rep is):
Oklahoma
Texas A&M
Arkansas, Rice, Air Force, Clemson (Ken Hatfield)
Wyoming
Florida
Penn St.
Iowa (worked at Wyoming)
USC
Arizona (went to Illinois)
Oregon St. (went to Georgia Tech, worked at UCF)
Army
Kansas (went to Arkansas St. and worked at FAU)
Wyoming
Texas Rangers, but went to Illinois, worked at Colorado and Vanderbilt

(11-25-2020 06:49 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  I see all kinds of talk, but no mention of Iowa at 3-2 being ranked? You know their AD just happens to be on the committee.

Yes, preposterous.

(11-25-2020 04:00 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(11-25-2020 03:56 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(11-25-2020 09:22 AM)RUScarlets Wrote:  

(11-25-2020 08:35 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  I think 2020 is the year I give up on cfb until a better, much expanded playoff bracket presents. I know Ohio State might be good, but you simply can’t reward 4-0 with wins against the dumpster fires at Penn State, Nebraska, and Rutgers. The version of the game will always be about the name. 2020 is so different and it should reflect in the playoff. But, I guess not. Cincy is going to be hosed big time. And the observation about ULL and ISU is spot on.

I think the last few years has to play into OSU getting benefit of the doubt. They should have beat Clemson last year. They are returning the QB. You can't pass up on an 8-0 OSU. What I don't feel happy about are the prospects of both Clemson/ND getting in this year especially with NDs atypical schedule (won't play Miami no less). I feel they shouldn't get in unless they win out. If it came down to A&M and ND at one loss, it will be a tough call for the committee, but I feel ND should be kicked out barring them keeping it really, really close against a Lawrence-led Clemson. Clearly, ND and A&M have to be the odds on favorite over Cincy should everyone hold serve. You can't put two Ohio schools in there.

I'm sorry, but the OSU I see is one that has only played one .500 or better team thus far (and who knows about what's to come with Michigan). And that one good game is an unusually "good" Indiana, to which Ohio State didn't obliterate.

IMO, the same bias that looks at Cincy, Coastal, and/or BYU and says "you didn't play anyone" is obviously ignoring what Ohio State is playing and focusing on the name and conference. No, Nebraska sucks, and Penn State might be the worst they've ever been (and a potential winless squad).

Fewer games, bad opposition...it's a total bias to even see them in the top 10 let alone top 4.

A returning squad is one thing, but there has to be more. And it can't be just the name "Ohio State."

Obviously you don’t understand how this whole thing works. :)

Colley Matrix has UC as the only team with 5 wins vs. top 50 teams. Nobody else has more than 3. Really crazy with PAC teams playing 2-3 games and the absolute Big Ten meltdown.

(11-25-2020 08:05 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-25-2020 06:49 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  I see all kinds of talk, but no mention of Iowa at 3-2 being ranked? You know their AD just happens to be on the committee.

Yes, preposterous.

Just go back to the old BCS — 1/3 poll, 1/3 poll, 1/3 computers. Any bias gets washed out in the sea of voters.

There’s zero reason for a committee where people become friends and suckup to each other. This year the chairman is Iowa’s AD, so everyone wants to score points with him.

(11-25-2020 07:46 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(11-25-2020 06:49 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  I see all kinds of talk, but no mention of Iowa at 3-2 being ranked? You know their AD just happens to be on the committee.

Their losses are to NW, respectable and Purdue who is 2-2
Surely you say they have beat someone of import to gain such a ranking.
First don't call me Shirley, second I say nay good neighbor, nay. Nike has thrice blessed them but the overcome foes hold no lofty ranking or record. Winless Penn St, 1-3 Michigan St, and the mighty 2-3 Minnesota.
They have lowly Nebraska and Illinois before finishing vs a ranked Wisconsin. Funny how that happened.

Big 10 always seems to be very heavily represented on the committee.

So a "biased" committee that's BIG TEN heavy still places, Georgia at #9? A team that has two losses by +16 points in each of those losses. Save me the, "they were against great teams" argument, I know that. Let's not overlook their 14-3 blowout victory of mighty Kentucky and their huge 31-24 victory over Mississippi State, a game in which Georgia had a whopping 8 yards rushing on 23 attempts.

Georgia averages around 380 offensive yards per game and I believe that ranks around 72nd. They have had opportunities to pad their numbers and have failed to do so.

I really don't have a problem with a 3-2 team being ranked 23rd. I mean, are we seriously worried about a team that high? That has no shot at playing in the CFP, but we overlook a 2 loss team in the top 10 that has way too many flaws to be there?