(11-26-2020 10:02 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(11-26-2020 09:58 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(11-26-2020 09:40 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(11-26-2020 07:00 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(11-25-2020 10:33 PM)esayem Wrote:  So what’s the reason for the Cincinnati-Temple cancellation? It seems nothing positive whatsoever was going to come out of this game so it was cancelled. In fact, it could have been a detriment to Cincinnati.

Sorry, should have read *rescheduled

It’s not been rescheduled, Temple is done for the season.

The report is Covid for both teams, although people are questioning it considering the number of injuries, Covid cases and other issues already facing the Owls.

Sorry, my post was poorly amended. I meant why isn’t it being rescheduled when they both have open dates?

Playing that game could jeopardize, spreading CV, the Cincy Tulsa game the following week. Guessing Temple was probably going to start the 5th string Freshman QB again. And if Russo isn't 100% healthy no reason for him to play if the plan is to have him start next season.

This. Temple is a hot mess. As you said the 5th string walk-on QB, they're down to the 3rd string RB, lost their starting three WR's and I think a LB or two on defense. The Owls have one win this season and have not been competitive at all. I think they've decided to say "no mas" for the rest of this season.

Well part of the criteria for most conferences (if not all) is having enough players at each position. You could have a couple injuries and 3 Covid cases at linebacker and nothing anywhere else and qualify for cancellation.

(11-26-2020 01:25 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-26-2020 11:32 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(11-26-2020 11:26 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  I might be wrong, but I think Army was ranked when Cincy won that game. A good win for the Bearcats at the time.

Army was #22 at the time and SMU was #16 at the time UC played them. Of course, when schools in the AAC lose a game, its hard for them to get ranked again (unlike a school like Iowa who gets ranked for being 3-2).

Army and SMU obviously do not merit being ranked.

Cincy has beaten no ranked teams and won't play a team ranked higher than #25 the rest of the way. No way should that be a playoff-level resume.

haters are gonna hate...

(11-26-2020 01:35 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  

(11-26-2020 01:25 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-26-2020 11:32 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(11-26-2020 11:26 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  I might be wrong, but I think Army was ranked when Cincy won that game. A good win for the Bearcats at the time.

Army was #22 at the time and SMU was #16 at the time UC played them. Of course, when schools in the AAC lose a game, its hard for them to get ranked again (unlike a school like Iowa who gets ranked for being 3-2).

Army and SMU obviously do not merit being ranked.

Cincy has beaten no ranked teams and won't play a team ranked higher than #25 the rest of the way. No way should that be a playoff-level resume.

haters are gonna hate...

A more precise term might be "chauvinist."

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Definition:

chau·vin·ist
/ˈSHōvənəst/

a person displaying excessive or prejudiced loyalty or support for a particular cause, group, or gender.

(11-26-2020 06:16 PM)jedclampett Wrote:  

(11-26-2020 01:35 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  

(11-26-2020 01:25 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-26-2020 11:32 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(11-26-2020 11:26 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  I might be wrong, but I think Army was ranked when Cincy won that game. A good win for the Bearcats at the time.

Army was #22 at the time and SMU was #16 at the time UC played them. Of course, when schools in the AAC lose a game, its hard for them to get ranked again (unlike a school like Iowa who gets ranked for being 3-2).

Army and SMU obviously do not merit being ranked.

Cincy has beaten no ranked teams and won't play a team ranked higher than #25 the rest of the way. No way should that be a playoff-level resume.

haters are gonna hate...

A more precise term might be "chauvinist."

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Definition:

chau·vin·ist
/ˈSHōvənəst/

a person displaying excessive or prejudiced loyalty or support for a particular cause, group, or gender.

He's also wrong as both have a good chance of reappearing in the rankings this season as does memphis. Army has two losses to Tulane and Cincy. Memphis has two losses at SMU and at Cincy, SMU has two losses to Cincy and a close one at Tulsa.

All are favored to win out and will likely favored to win their bowl game.

Army was exposed by Tulane.

SMU is okay.

I can’t believe this is an argument.

The fact is both BYU and Cincinnati played Houston and the difference in performance wasn’t great enough to warrant a seven point spot swing. That is, if you’re being honest.

(11-26-2020 07:57 PM)esayem Wrote:  The fact is both BYU and Cincinnati played Houston and the difference in performance wasn’t great enough to warrant a seven point spot swing. That is, if you’re being honest.

SMU, Army, and Memphis are stronger than any team BYU has played. Tulsa is likely to be better than any team BYU has or will play as well.

Houston was leading that game into the fourth quarter vs BYU. The blue cougar used an onside kick and a late meaningless score to make sure it looked good. Cincy dominated Houston the entire game.

I can't believe how strong the hate for the AAC is by some of you when the committee guy came out and said it was the reason Cincy is ranked this high. Last the AAC was better than the ACC according to the Massey Composite. BYU played a bunch of .500 teams and a yet unsure Boise who the committee gave them no credit for because of Boise injuries/illness. Not sure they end up playing a team that wins eight games this season.

The thing is, nobody really knows how strong those teams you mentioned are, because there isn’t enough outside body of work to come to any kind of conclusion. So your computer rankings are also incomplete. We have a committee of 13 people making the decision instead of a much larger group of voters that had BYU and Cincinnati much closer. Dropping #8 to #14 by a committee is BS and I can’t believe that people aren’t recognizing that.

(11-26-2020 07:57 PM)esayem Wrote:  The fact is both BYU and Cincinnati played Houston and the difference in performance wasn’t great enough to warrant a seven point spot swing. That is, if you’re being honest.

I did not expect BYU to drop that far - I'm being honest. That said, it didn't surprise me that they did fall lower than their AP ranking. I thought Cincinnati would land around #8 and BYU anywhere between 9 and 11. Every year someone has a complaint about where they're ranked. I don't with Cincinnati [7 is gravy] but I do understand BYU fans would feel they got the short end this year.

On a related note, I will be the biggest Tar Heels fan today!

(11-27-2020 08:41 AM)esayem Wrote:  The thing is, nobody really knows how strong those teams you mentioned are, because there isn’t enough outside body of work to come to any kind of conclusion. So your computer rankings are also incomplete. We have a committee of 13 people making the decision instead of a much larger group of voters that had BYU and Cincinnati much closer. Dropping #8 to #14 by a committee is BS and I can’t believe that people aren’t recognizing that.

The issue is the CFP committee put three 2-loss programs in front of BYU (#9 Georgia, #11 Oklahoma and #13 Iowa State). It has nothing to do with UC.

(11-26-2020 06:24 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(11-26-2020 06:16 PM)jedclampett Wrote:  

(11-26-2020 01:35 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  

(11-26-2020 01:25 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-26-2020 11:32 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Army was #22 at the time and SMU was #16 at the time UC played them. Of course, when schools in the AAC lose a game, its hard for them to get ranked again (unlike a school like Iowa who gets ranked for being 3-2).

Army and SMU obviously do not merit being ranked.

Cincy has beaten no ranked teams and won't play a team ranked higher than #25 the rest of the way. No way should that be a playoff-level resume.

haters are gonna hate...

A more precise term might be "chauvinist."

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Definition:

chau·vin·ist
/ˈSHōvənəst/

a person displaying excessive or prejudiced loyalty or support for a particular cause, group, or gender.

He's also wrong as both have a good chance of reappearing in the rankings this season as does memphis. Army has two losses to Tulane and Cincy. Memphis has two losses at SMU and at Cincy, SMU has two losses to Cincy and a close one at Tulsa.

All are favored to win out and will likely favored to win their bowl game.

FWIW, as I mentioned in another thread, the issue for me isn't whether any of the teams that Cincy has played trickle back in to the rankings at some point - they might, they might not. And I have no issue with Cincy being ranked #7 and playing in an NY6 bowl as the G5 rep.

What I have issue with is the possibility of Cincy rising from #7 in to the playoffs. That simply should not happen, because whether Army or SMU or whoever is later ranked #22 or something, Cincy has this high ranking - a ranking high enough to possibly make the playoffs - without having played any *highly* ranked teams. All of the other top contenders have, or will.

E.g., I saw a Cincy fan post that they are a huge North Carolina fan today. Why? Because Notre Dame, a team ranked ahead of Cincy, has to play #19 North Carolina today, and if they lose, they might fall behind Cincy in the rankings. But Cincy isn't playing the #19 team, and odds are they will not play a team ranked as high as #19 in the CFP from here on out. Notre Dame also has already played the #3 team, and very likely will have to play them again. That's some severe tests, to prove you are playoff worthy.

So IMO, it would be wrong if Cincy is able to rise in to the top 4, and make the playoffs, by watching teams around them face and lose to highly-ranked, playoff-quality teams while they get to cruise through an AAC schedule that simply does not have those kinds of challenges.

I would agree with quo, except Cincy isn’t allowed to choose their schedule’s strength. So no, you can’t be in the ACC. But also no, you can’t make the CFP because you’re not in the ACC. I hope they make the playoff and pound their opponent in the semis.

(11-27-2020 10:37 AM)HyperDuke Wrote:  I would agree with quo, except Cincy isn’t allowed to choose their schedule’s strength.

Nobody is allowed to choose their schedule strength, but to me it is axiomatic that you can't get credit for teams you have not played.

If Cincy goes unbeaten through their schedule, that merits about a #8 ranking and a spot in the NY6. It's not about being in the AAC, if any P5 team or Notre Dame as an independent, played the same kind of schedule it would apply to them too.

(11-27-2020 10:32 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-26-2020 06:24 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(11-26-2020 06:16 PM)jedclampett Wrote:  

(11-26-2020 01:35 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  

(11-26-2020 01:25 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Army and SMU obviously do not merit being ranked.

Cincy has beaten no ranked teams and won't play a team ranked higher than #25 the rest of the way. No way should that be a playoff-level resume.

haters are gonna hate...

A more precise term might be "chauvinist."

.................................................................................

Definition:

chau·vin·ist
/ˈSHōvənəst/

a person displaying excessive or prejudiced loyalty or support for a particular cause, group, or gender.

He's also wrong as both have a good chance of reappearing in the rankings this season as does memphis. Army has two losses to Tulane and Cincy. Memphis has two losses at SMU and at Cincy, SMU has two losses to Cincy and a close one at Tulsa.

All are favored to win out and will likely favored to win their bowl game.

FWIW, as I mentioned in another thread, the issue for me isn't whether any of the teams that Cincy has played trickle back in to the rankings at some point - they might, they might not. And I have no issue with Cincy being ranked #7 and playing in an NY6 bowl as the G5 rep.

What I have issue with is the possibility of Cincy rising from #7 in to the playoffs. That simply should not happen, because whether Army or SMU or whoever is later ranked #22 or something, Cincy has this high ranking - a ranking high enough to possibly make the playoffs - without having played any *highly* ranked teams. All of the other top contenders have, or will.

E.g., I saw a Cincy fan post that they are a huge North Carolina fan today. Why? Because Notre Dame, a team ranked ahead of Cincy, has to play #19 North Carolina today, and if they lose, they might fall behind Cincy in the rankings. But Cincy isn't playing the #19 team, and odds are they will not play a team ranked as high as #19 in the CFP from here on out. Notre Dame also has already played the #3 team, and very likely will have to play them again. That's some severe tests, to prove you are playoff worthy.

So IMO, it would be wrong if Cincy is able to rise in to the top 4, and make the playoffs, by watching teams around them face and lose to highly-ranked, playoff-quality teams while they get to cruise through an AAC schedule that simply does not have those kinds of challenges.

So then I guess no Clemson and no ND than?

The AAC was a better conference than the ACC last year. It will likely in this weird season finish ahead of the Big 12 and maybe the PAC.

Again the committee came out and said why Cincy deserves to be where it is, it's the conference it plays in. They came out and said why BYU deserves to be where they are, they have beat no one. The computers agree with Cincy having a SoR in the top 10.

Lot of people struggling with reality here.

Cincy has a better than average (fourth highest probability according to ESPN) chance to make a play off based almost entirely off its AAC schedule.

(11-27-2020 10:41 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-27-2020 10:37 AM)HyperDuke Wrote:  I would agree with quo, except Cincy isn’t allowed to choose their schedule’s strength.

Nobody is allowed to choose their schedule strength, but to me it is axiomatic that you can't get credit for teams you have not played.

If Cincy goes unbeaten through their schedule, that merits about a #8 ranking and a spot in the NY6. It's not about being in the AAC, if any P5 team or Notre Dame as an independent, played the same kind of schedule it would apply to them too.

Quo, your bias is badly showing. If the AAC is ranked as a better conference than a p5 and that p5 is sending their champion to the play off, Cincy going undefeated into he AAC is worthy of a play off spot.

(11-27-2020 10:32 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-26-2020 06:24 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(11-26-2020 06:16 PM)jedclampett Wrote:  

(11-26-2020 01:35 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  

(11-26-2020 01:25 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Army and SMU obviously do not merit being ranked.

Cincy has beaten no ranked teams and won't play a team ranked higher than #25 the rest of the way. No way should that be a playoff-level resume.

haters are gonna hate...

A more precise term might be "chauvinist."

.................................................................................

Definition:

chau·vin·ist
/ˈSHōvənəst/

a person displaying excessive or prejudiced loyalty or support for a particular cause, group, or gender.

He's also wrong as both have a good chance of reappearing in the rankings this season as does memphis. Army has two losses to Tulane and Cincy. Memphis has two losses at SMU and at Cincy, SMU has two losses to Cincy and a close one at Tulsa.

All are favored to win out and will likely favored to win their bowl game.

FWIW, as I mentioned in another thread, the issue for me isn't whether any of the teams that Cincy has played trickle back in to the rankings at some point - they might, they might not. And I have no issue with Cincy being ranked #7 and playing in an NY6 bowl as the G5 rep.

What I have issue with is the possibility of Cincy rising from #7 in to the playoffs. That simply should not happen, because whether Army or SMU or whoever is later ranked #22 or something, Cincy has this high ranking - a ranking high enough to possibly make the playoffs - without having played any *highly* ranked teams. All of the other top contenders have, or will.

E.g., I saw a Cincy fan post that they are a huge North Carolina fan today. Why? Because Notre Dame, a team ranked ahead of Cincy, has to play #19 North Carolina today, and if they lose, they might fall behind Cincy in the rankings. But Cincy isn't playing the #19 team, and odds are they will not play a team ranked as high as #19 in the CFP from here on out. Notre Dame also has already played the #3 team, and very likely will have to play them again. That's some severe tests, to prove you are playoff worthy.

So IMO, it would be wrong if Cincy is able to rise in to the top 4, and make the playoffs, by watching teams around them face and lose to highly-ranked, playoff-quality teams while they get to cruise through an AAC schedule that simply does not have those kinds of challenges.

So I guess when the PAC champ and the Big XII champ have been sitting on the outside looking for a play off spot and hoping someone loses in front of them they don't deserve to be there? When you enter the top 10 you usually require someone to lose in front of you because that is how you generally move up in the rankings period. You win others lose.

(11-27-2020 10:04 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(11-27-2020 08:41 AM)esayem Wrote:  The thing is, nobody really knows how strong those teams you mentioned are, because there isn’t enough outside body of work to come to any kind of conclusion. So your computer rankings are also incomplete. We have a committee of 13 people making the decision instead of a much larger group of voters that had BYU and Cincinnati much closer. Dropping #8 to #14 by a committee is BS and I can’t believe that people aren’t recognizing that.

The issue is the CFP committee put three 2-loss programs in front of BYU (#9 Georgia, #11 Oklahoma and #13 Iowa State). It has nothing to do with UC.

Georgia with Daniels at QB would shred Cincinnati. They are a much better team than 2 weeks ago. With a healthy Daniels they would not have lost to Florida. But they had a below average QB before.

(11-27-2020 10:32 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  E.g., I saw a Cincy fan post that they are a huge North Carolina fan today. Why? Because Notre Dame, a team ranked ahead of Cincy, has to play #19 North Carolina today, and if they lose, they might fall behind Cincy in the rankings. But Cincy isn't playing the #19 team, and odds are they will not play a team ranked as high as #19 in the CFP from here on out. Notre Dame also has already played the #3 team, and very likely will have to play them again. That's some severe tests, to prove you are playoff worthy.

So IMO, it would be wrong if Cincy is able to rise in to the top 4, and make the playoffs, by watching teams around them face and lose to highly-ranked, playoff-quality teams while they get to cruise through an AAC schedule that simply does not have those kinds of challenges.

Are you referring to me LOL? FYI, everybody outside of the Top 4 is rooting for North Carolina to upset Notre Dame.

The issue I have with your points is that SOS is only one of several metrics that the committee looks at. It is my understanding that Strength of Record is one the committee weighed strongly and Cincinnati was ranked #4 in that one [Northwestern #1].

As a Cincy/Memphis fan, I'll weigh in:

* Cincinnati is not "seven positions" better than BYU. Both teams are strong this year and clearly worthy of high national rankings (I would say in the No. 7 to No. 11 range). They clearly pass the "eye test" as being Top 12 teams at this point in the season. Now that could change as Cincy still has to play Tulsa. A loss ... the drop in the polls might be eight spots easily.

* As much as I would be thrilled to see UC make the four-team playoff 1. the Bearcats will have played a scheduled that, while very respectable, would not be on the same level as the schedules of many of the other contenders for the No. 4 slot. BYU will have played a scheduled weaker than that of UC. Neither is a good candidate for the No. 4 slot. But both could be so-so candidates if 1. they win out and 2. lots of other teams battling for the No. 4 slot lose.

* Notwithstanding Temple and USF, the American is once again fairly strong and almost certainly the best of the G5. Even the "so-so" teams (Houston, Memphis, Tulane, Navy, UCF and ECU) are competitive.

* I would (in many respects) prefer to see the Bearcats win out, go to a NY6 bowl, win that and finish, say, No. 6 to No. 8 in the final rankings as opposed to sneaking into the four-team playoff and seeing the season end miserably via an old-fashion woodshed ass-whipping courtesy of Alabama. I struggle to see UC having a shot against the No. 1 seed.