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PROPOSED 27 TEAM PLAYOFF
Below is how you could have a playoff allowing up to 27 teams and allowing every G5 conference division champs/top 2 teams to make the playoffs and have a "CHANCE" at that national championship but not effecting the P5 champions except making them play one extra game. Round 1 would be the conference championship on Dec. 5. All conference champions move on, G5 go on to their specific regionals and the P5 move on to New Years for the New Years games. Dec. 12 and Dec. 19 are regional/play-in games for the New Years games. This allows at-large schools, indy, and g5 teams a chance to play themselves back into the championship but giving the P5 champs several bye weeks to get healthy. The Big Ten and PAC-12 champ would play every year in the Rose Bowl and the other conferences would be tied into their historical bowl. Below is a run down of what this may look like using the 2019 CFP standings. The CFP committee would place the at-large schools in a specific region and determine the rankings of each region team to determine home field advantage. I believe this could be a win-win for everyone and create a lot more TV money during the holiday season. This still gives you the Christmas Week and week leading up to New Years for the other bowl games.

DEC 5
CONFERENCE CHAMPIONSHIPS All 10 Conferences

DEC 12
COTTON BOWL REGION
MWC CHAMP, MAC CHAMP, At-Large, At-Large

SUGAR BOWL REGION
CUSA CHAMP, SBC CHAMP, At-Large, At-Large

ORANGE BOWL BOWL REGION
AAC CHAMP, At-Large, At-Large, At-Large

DEC 19
ALAMO BOWL
COTTON BOWL PLAY-IN

NEW ORLEANS BOWL
SUGAR BOWL PLAY-IN

LIBERTY BOWL
ORANGE BOWL PLAY IN


NEW YEARS 4
ROSE BOWL
BIG vs PAC

COTTON BOWL
BIG 12 vs ALAMO BOWL WINNER

SUGAR BOWL
SEC vs NEW ORLEANS BOWL WINNER

ORANGE BOWL
ACC vs LIBERTY BOWL WINNER

JAN 9
FIESTA BOWL
ROSE BOWL WINNER
vs.
COTTON BOWL WINNER

PEACH BOWL
SUGAR BOWL WINNER
vs.
ORANGE BOWL WINNER


JAN 18 NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP
FIESTA BOWL WINNER
vs (MIAMI GARDENS / HARD ROCK STADIUM)
PEACH BOWL WINNER



DEC 5 CONFERENCE CHAMPIONSHIP WEEK
AAC
Cincinnat vs. Memphis

ACC
Clemson vs. Virginia

B12
Oklahoma s. Baylor

BIG TEN
Ohio State vs. Wisconsin

CUSA
FAU vs. UAB

MAC
Miami OH vs Central Michigan

MWC
Boise State vs. Hawaii

PAC-12
Oregon vs. Utah

SEC
Georgia vs. LSU

SBC
App State vs. Louisiana

DEC 12 REGIONALS
COTTON BOWL REGIONAL
Miami (OH)
at (Waco, TX)
Baylor

Boise State
at (State College, PA)
Penn State

SUGAR BOWL REGIONAL
FAU
at (Athens, GA)
Georgia

App State
at (Salt Lake City, UT)
Utah

ORANGE BOWL BOWL REGION
Memphis
at (Madison, WI)
Wisoncsin

Auburn
at (Gainsesville, FL)
Florida

DEC 19 PLAY IN WEEKEND
BAYLOR
ALAMO BOWL
COTTON BOWL PLAY-IN

PENN STATE

GEORGIA
NEW ORLEANS BOWL
SUGAR BOWL PLAY-IN

APP STATE

WISCONSIN
LIBERTY BOWL
ORANGE BOWL PLAY IN

FLORIDA

NEW YEARS EVE/DAY
ROSE BOWL
OHIO STATE vs OREGON

COTTON BOWL
OKLAHOMA vs PENN STATE

SUGAR BOWL
LSU vs GEORGIA

ORANGE BOWL
CLEMSON vs FLORIDA

JAN 9 FINAL FOUR
OHIO STATE
FIESTA BOWL
OKLAHOMA

LSU
PEACH BOWL
CLEMSON


JAN 18 NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP

OKLAHOMA
HARD ROCK STADIUM
MIAMI GARDENS, FL

LSU
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RE: PROPOSED 27 TEAM PLAYOFF
(11-24-2020 09:04 AM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  Below is how you could have a playoff allowing up to 27 teams and allowing every G5 conference division champs/top 2 teams to make the playoffs and have a "CHANCE" at that national championship but not effecting the P5 champions except making them play one extra game. Round 1 would be the conference championship on Dec. 5. All conference champions move on, G5 go on to their specific regionals and the P5 move on to New Years for the New Years games. Dec. 12 and Dec. 19 are regional/play-in games for the New Years games. This allows at-large schools, indy, and g5 teams a chance to play themselves back into the championship but giving the P5 champs several bye weeks to get healthy. The Big Ten and PAC-12 champ would play every year in the Rose Bowl and the other conferences would be tied into their historical bowl. Below is a run down of what this may look like using the 2019 CFP standings. The CFP committee would place the at-large schools in a specific region and determine the rankings of each region team to determine home field advantage. I believe this could be a win-win for everyone and create a lot more TV money during the holiday season. This still gives you the Christmas Week and week leading up to New Years for the other bowl games.

DEC 5
CONFERENCE CHAMPIONSHIPS All 10 Conferences

DEC 12
COTTON BOWL REGION
MWC CHAMP, MAC CHAMP, At-Large, At-Large

SUGAR BOWL REGION
CUSA CHAMP, SBC CHAMP, At-Large, At-Large

ORANGE BOWL BOWL REGION
AAC CHAMP, At-Large, At-Large, At-Large

DEC 19
ALAMO BOWL
COTTON BOWL PLAY-IN

NEW ORLEANS BOWL
SUGAR BOWL PLAY-IN

LIBERTY BOWL
ORANGE BOWL PLAY IN


NEW YEARS 4
ROSE BOWL
BIG vs PAC

COTTON BOWL
BIG 12 vs ALAMO BOWL WINNER

SUGAR BOWL
SEC vs NEW ORLEANS BOWL WINNER

ORANGE BOWL
ACC vs LIBERTY BOWL WINNER

JAN 9
FIESTA BOWL
ROSE BOWL WINNER
vs.
COTTON BOWL WINNER

PEACH BOWL
SUGAR BOWL WINNER
vs.
ORANGE BOWL WINNER


JAN 18 NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP
FIESTA BOWL WINNER
vs (MIAMI GARDENS / HARD ROCK STADIUM)
PEACH BOWL WINNER



DEC 5 CONFERENCE CHAMPIONSHIP WEEK
AAC
Cincinnat vs. Memphis

ACC
Clemson vs. Virginia

B12
Oklahoma s. Baylor

BIG TEN
Ohio State vs. Wisconsin

CUSA
FAU vs. UAB

MAC
Miami OH vs Central Michigan

MWC
Boise State vs. Hawaii

PAC-12
Oregon vs. Utah

SEC
Georgia vs. LSU

SBC
App State vs. Louisiana

DEC 12 REGIONALS
COTTON BOWL REGIONAL
Miami (OH)
at (Waco, TX)
Baylor

Boise State
at (State College, PA)
Penn State

SUGAR BOWL REGIONAL
FAU
at (Athens, GA)
Georgia

App State
at (Salt Lake City, UT)
Utah

ORANGE BOWL BOWL REGION
Memphis
at (Madison, WI)
Wisoncsin

Auburn
at (Gainsesville, FL)
Florida

DEC 19 PLAY IN WEEKEND
BAYLOR
ALAMO BOWL
COTTON BOWL PLAY-IN

PENN STATE

GEORGIA
NEW ORLEANS BOWL
SUGAR BOWL PLAY-IN

APP STATE

WISCONSIN
LIBERTY BOWL
ORANGE BOWL PLAY IN

FLORIDA

NEW YEARS EVE/DAY
ROSE BOWL
OHIO STATE vs OREGON

COTTON BOWL
OKLAHOMA vs PENN STATE

SUGAR BOWL
LSU vs GEORGIA

ORANGE BOWL
CLEMSON vs FLORIDA

JAN 9 FINAL FOUR
OHIO STATE
FIESTA BOWL
OKLAHOMA

LSU
PEACH BOWL
CLEMSON


JAN 18 NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP

OKLAHOMA
HARD ROCK STADIUM
MIAMI GARDENS, FL

LSU

Now that's "thinking outside the box!"

One thing is for sure - - the current CFP system is complete b@llsh*t!

There's no drama in it. It's usually three of the "usual suspects" in every damn playoff.

It's actually boring! You'd have to pay me $50 bucks to watch one of those playoff series games under the current arrangement, and even then, I'd be surfing the net on my cell phone the whole time.

But it's not going to switch from 4 teams to 27 teams in the playoffs.

They could begin by switching to an 8-team playoff. All that would be required would adding a semifinals round (2 games) in between the NY6 Bowls and the Championship Game.

It would generate plenty of revenue, and it would another exciting weekend of college fb every year. The idea is a no-brainer.
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RE: PROPOSED 27 TEAM PLAYOFF
Unpopular opinion but if you're going to add 7 add large bids then why not invite 3 FCS conferences to move up and get a autobid? Basically add Big Sky (need another western conference) the Summit league or OVC and either the Big South or Southland. The conferences picked were just picked due to rough geography picks.

While the CFP will have more conferences to feed ESPN could create more now unimportant bowls to play during the week to sell ads for. Though let's be honest all bowls minus the CFP ones are no longer really important.
With more potential FBS teams guarantee game prices could drop. Saving schools money. Having a more regional bowl games could drum (hopefully) some local interest in the games.
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(11-25-2020 01:29 AM)46566 Wrote:  Unpopular opinion but if you're going to add 7 add large bids then why not invite 3 FCS conferences to move up and get a autobid? Basically add Big Sky (need another western conference) the Summit league or OVC and either the Big South or Southland. The conferences picked were just picked due to rough geography picks.

While the CFP will have more conferences to feed ESPN could create more now unimportant bowls to play during the week to sell ads for. Though let's be honest all bowls minus the CFP ones are no longer really important.
With more potential FBS teams guarantee game prices could drop. Saving schools money. Having a more regional bowl games could drum (hopefully) some local interest in the games.

Well the 7 At-Large are for more of your Independents and P5 non conference champions. For Example this year you may have BYU, Texas A&M, Florida, Northwestern, Miami, Georgia, and Indiana. Teams that are having a great year and deserve a chance at the championship even though they may be out due to a one loss or non enough strength of schedule.
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(11-25-2020 12:26 AM)jedclampett Wrote:  
(11-24-2020 09:04 AM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  Below is how you could have a playoff allowing up to 27 teams and allowing every G5 conference division champs/top 2 teams to make the playoffs and have a "CHANCE" at that national championship but not effecting the P5 champions except making them play one extra game. Round 1 would be the conference championship on Dec. 5. All conference champions move on, G5 go on to their specific regionals and the P5 move on to New Years for the New Years games. Dec. 12 and Dec. 19 are regional/play-in games for the New Years games. This allows at-large schools, indy, and g5 teams a chance to play themselves back into the championship but giving the P5 champs several bye weeks to get healthy. The Big Ten and PAC-12 champ would play every year in the Rose Bowl and the other conferences would be tied into their historical bowl. Below is a run down of what this may look like using the 2019 CFP standings. The CFP committee would place the at-large schools in a specific region and determine the rankings of each region team to determine home field advantage. I believe this could be a win-win for everyone and create a lot more TV money during the holiday season. This still gives you the Christmas Week and week leading up to New Years for the other bowl games.

DEC 5
CONFERENCE CHAMPIONSHIPS All 10 Conferences

DEC 12
COTTON BOWL REGION
MWC CHAMP, MAC CHAMP, At-Large, At-Large

SUGAR BOWL REGION
CUSA CHAMP, SBC CHAMP, At-Large, At-Large

ORANGE BOWL BOWL REGION
AAC CHAMP, At-Large, At-Large, At-Large

DEC 19
ALAMO BOWL
COTTON BOWL PLAY-IN

NEW ORLEANS BOWL
SUGAR BOWL PLAY-IN

LIBERTY BOWL
ORANGE BOWL PLAY IN


NEW YEARS 4
ROSE BOWL
BIG vs PAC

COTTON BOWL
BIG 12 vs ALAMO BOWL WINNER

SUGAR BOWL
SEC vs NEW ORLEANS BOWL WINNER

ORANGE BOWL
ACC vs LIBERTY BOWL WINNER

JAN 9
FIESTA BOWL
ROSE BOWL WINNER
vs.
COTTON BOWL WINNER

PEACH BOWL
SUGAR BOWL WINNER
vs.
ORANGE BOWL WINNER


JAN 18 NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP
FIESTA BOWL WINNER
vs (MIAMI GARDENS / HARD ROCK STADIUM)
PEACH BOWL WINNER



DEC 5 CONFERENCE CHAMPIONSHIP WEEK
AAC
Cincinnat vs. Memphis

ACC
Clemson vs. Virginia

B12
Oklahoma s. Baylor

BIG TEN
Ohio State vs. Wisconsin

CUSA
FAU vs. UAB

MAC
Miami OH vs Central Michigan

MWC
Boise State vs. Hawaii

PAC-12
Oregon vs. Utah

SEC
Georgia vs. LSU

SBC
App State vs. Louisiana

DEC 12 REGIONALS
COTTON BOWL REGIONAL
Miami (OH)
at (Waco, TX)
Baylor

Boise State
at (State College, PA)
Penn State

SUGAR BOWL REGIONAL
FAU
at (Athens, GA)
Georgia

App State
at (Salt Lake City, UT)
Utah

ORANGE BOWL BOWL REGION
Memphis
at (Madison, WI)
Wisoncsin

Auburn
at (Gainsesville, FL)
Florida

DEC 19 PLAY IN WEEKEND
BAYLOR
ALAMO BOWL
COTTON BOWL PLAY-IN

PENN STATE

GEORGIA
NEW ORLEANS BOWL
SUGAR BOWL PLAY-IN

APP STATE

WISCONSIN
LIBERTY BOWL
ORANGE BOWL PLAY IN

FLORIDA

NEW YEARS EVE/DAY
ROSE BOWL
OHIO STATE vs OREGON

COTTON BOWL
OKLAHOMA vs PENN STATE

SUGAR BOWL
LSU vs GEORGIA

ORANGE BOWL
CLEMSON vs FLORIDA

JAN 9 FINAL FOUR
OHIO STATE
FIESTA BOWL
OKLAHOMA

LSU
PEACH BOWL
CLEMSON


JAN 18 NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP

OKLAHOMA
HARD ROCK STADIUM
MIAMI GARDENS, FL

LSU

Now that's "thinking outside the box!"

One thing is for sure - - the current CFP system is complete b@llsh*t!

There's no drama in it. It's usually three of the "usual suspects" in every damn playoff.

It's actually boring! You'd have to pay me $50 bucks to watch one of those playoff series games under the current arrangement, and even then, I'd be surfing the net on my cell phone the whole time.

But it's not going to switch from 4 teams to 27 teams in the playoffs.

They could begin by switching to an 8-team playoff. All that would be required would adding a semifinals round (2 games) in between the NY6 Bowls and the Championship Game.

It would generate plenty of revenue, and it would another exciting weekend of college fb every year. The idea is a no-brainer.

Like the general idea but I would make two changes. 1) seed the G5 champs and place accordingly. and 2) guarantee the top 3 G5 champs (based on the CFP standings) a home game in the opening round.
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I like it. I know I’m in the minority but I’m of the opinion that more playoff teams is better
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Seems a little unfair that the SEC, Big 12, and ACC get to play schools who’ve had to win 2 rounds of play in games while they get to sit back and rest while the PAC 12 and Big Ten have to play each other.

5-1-2 is the way to go. Simple, elegant, very little decision making done by committees and you aren’t adding a bunch of extra games for fans to travel to and adding wear and tear on the student athletes.

Play the quarter finals in traditional bowl sites on/around NYD. Play the semis 7-10 days later. Play the NCG the weekend before the Super Bowl (but not on the same night that the Pro Bowl airs)
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Parts of Big Sky and MVFC to form an FBS Conference.
Montana
Montana State
Idaho
North Dakota State
South Dakota State
Northern Iowa
Missouri State
Weber State
Illinois State
New Mexico State as an affiliate in football.
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(11-25-2020 09:43 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Parts of Big Sky and MVFC to form an FBS Conference.
Montana
Montana State
Idaho
North Dakota State
South Dakota State
Northern Iowa
Missouri State
Weber State
Illinois State
New Mexico State as an affiliate in football.

So you're on board with the Great Northern?
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(11-25-2020 10:37 AM)whittx Wrote:  
(11-25-2020 12:26 AM)jedclampett Wrote:  
(11-24-2020 09:04 AM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  Below is how you could have a playoff allowing up to 27 teams and allowing every G5 conference division champs/top 2 teams to make the playoffs and have a "CHANCE" at that national championship but not effecting the P5 champions except making them play one extra game. Round 1 would be the conference championship on Dec. 5. All conference champions move on, G5 go on to their specific regionals and the P5 move on to New Years for the New Years games. Dec. 12 and Dec. 19 are regional/play-in games for the New Years games. This allows at-large schools, indy, and g5 teams a chance to play themselves back into the championship but giving the P5 champs several bye weeks to get healthy. The Big Ten and PAC-12 champ would play every year in the Rose Bowl and the other conferences would be tied into their historical bowl. Below is a run down of what this may look like using the 2019 CFP standings. The CFP committee would place the at-large schools in a specific region and determine the rankings of each region team to determine home field advantage. I believe this could be a win-win for everyone and create a lot more TV money during the holiday season. This still gives you the Christmas Week and week leading up to New Years for the other bowl games.

DEC 5
CONFERENCE CHAMPIONSHIPS All 10 Conferences

DEC 12
COTTON BOWL REGION
MWC CHAMP, MAC CHAMP, At-Large, At-Large

SUGAR BOWL REGION
CUSA CHAMP, SBC CHAMP, At-Large, At-Large

ORANGE BOWL BOWL REGION
AAC CHAMP, At-Large, At-Large, At-Large

DEC 19
ALAMO BOWL
COTTON BOWL PLAY-IN

NEW ORLEANS BOWL
SUGAR BOWL PLAY-IN

LIBERTY BOWL
ORANGE BOWL PLAY IN


NEW YEARS 4
ROSE BOWL
BIG vs PAC

COTTON BOWL
BIG 12 vs ALAMO BOWL WINNER

SUGAR BOWL
SEC vs NEW ORLEANS BOWL WINNER

ORANGE BOWL
ACC vs LIBERTY BOWL WINNER

JAN 9
FIESTA BOWL
ROSE BOWL WINNER
vs.
COTTON BOWL WINNER

PEACH BOWL
SUGAR BOWL WINNER
vs.
ORANGE BOWL WINNER


JAN 18 NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP
FIESTA BOWL WINNER
vs (MIAMI GARDENS / HARD ROCK STADIUM)
PEACH BOWL WINNER



DEC 5 CONFERENCE CHAMPIONSHIP WEEK
AAC
Cincinnat vs. Memphis

ACC
Clemson vs. Virginia

B12
Oklahoma s. Baylor

BIG TEN
Ohio State vs. Wisconsin

CUSA
FAU vs. UAB

MAC
Miami OH vs Central Michigan

MWC
Boise State vs. Hawaii

PAC-12
Oregon vs. Utah

SEC
Georgia vs. LSU

SBC
App State vs. Louisiana

DEC 12 REGIONALS
COTTON BOWL REGIONAL
Miami (OH)
at (Waco, TX)
Baylor

Boise State
at (State College, PA)
Penn State

SUGAR BOWL REGIONAL
FAU
at (Athens, GA)
Georgia

App State
at (Salt Lake City, UT)
Utah

ORANGE BOWL BOWL REGION
Memphis
at (Madison, WI)
Wisoncsin

Auburn
at (Gainsesville, FL)
Florida

DEC 19 PLAY IN WEEKEND
BAYLOR
ALAMO BOWL
COTTON BOWL PLAY-IN

PENN STATE

GEORGIA
NEW ORLEANS BOWL
SUGAR BOWL PLAY-IN

APP STATE

WISCONSIN
LIBERTY BOWL
ORANGE BOWL PLAY IN

FLORIDA

NEW YEARS EVE/DAY
ROSE BOWL
OHIO STATE vs OREGON

COTTON BOWL
OKLAHOMA vs PENN STATE

SUGAR BOWL
LSU vs GEORGIA

ORANGE BOWL
CLEMSON vs FLORIDA

JAN 9 FINAL FOUR
OHIO STATE
FIESTA BOWL
OKLAHOMA

LSU
PEACH BOWL
CLEMSON


JAN 18 NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP

OKLAHOMA
HARD ROCK STADIUM
MIAMI GARDENS, FL

LSU

Now that's "thinking outside the box!"

One thing is for sure - - the current CFP system is complete b@llsh*t!

There's no drama in it. It's usually three of the "usual suspects" in every damn playoff.

It's actually boring! You'd have to pay me $50 bucks to watch one of those playoff series games under the current arrangement, and even then, I'd be surfing the net on my cell phone the whole time.

But it's not going to switch from 4 teams to 27 teams in the playoffs.

They could begin by switching to an 8-team playoff. All that would be required would adding a semifinals round (2 games) in between the NY6 Bowls and the Championship Game.

It would generate plenty of revenue, and it would another exciting weekend of college fb every year. The idea is a no-brainer.

Like the general idea but I would make two changes. 1) seed the G5 champs and place accordingly. and 2) guarantee the top 3 G5 champs (based on the CFP standings) a home game in the opening round.

Yeah that could all be done for wedding. I was just trying to keep it simple for posting. I thought it would be great tv to have a somewhat regional feel for the bowl games and campus games. Like a Coastal at Clemson in the first round. I don’t know if the committee would do the the top 3 they may do the top G5, would be hard to say a Coastal gets home field over a Clemson or Northwestern.
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(11-25-2020 11:37 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Seems a little unfair that the SEC, Big 12, and ACC get to play schools who’ve had to win 2 rounds of play in games while they get to sit back and rest while the PAC 12 and Big Ten have to play each other.

5-1-2 is the way to go. Simple, elegant, very little decision making done by committees and you aren’t adding a bunch of extra games for fans to travel to and adding wear and tear on the student athletes.

Play the quarter finals in traditional bowl sites on/around NYD. Play the semis 7-10 days later. Play the NCG the weekend before the Super Bowl (but not on the same night that the Pro Bowl airs)

Agreed but was trying to keep some tradition there with the Rose Bowl and college sports should always be a little funky to me. If this was the case this year Ohio State would play possible Oregon in the Rose Bowl which I think they would take even over a Clemson team that has played two extra games.
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(11-26-2020 07:36 AM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  
(11-25-2020 10:37 AM)whittx Wrote:  
(11-25-2020 12:26 AM)jedclampett Wrote:  
(11-24-2020 09:04 AM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  Below is how you could have a playoff allowing up to 27 teams and allowing every G5 conference division champs/top 2 teams to make the playoffs and have a "CHANCE" at that national championship but not effecting the P5 champions except making them play one extra game. Round 1 would be the conference championship on Dec. 5. All conference champions move on, G5 go on to their specific regionals and the P5 move on to New Years for the New Years games. Dec. 12 and Dec. 19 are regional/play-in games for the New Years games. This allows at-large schools, indy, and g5 teams a chance to play themselves back into the championship but giving the P5 champs several bye weeks to get healthy. The Big Ten and PAC-12 champ would play every year in the Rose Bowl and the other conferences would be tied into their historical bowl. Below is a run down of what this may look like using the 2019 CFP standings. The CFP committee would place the at-large schools in a specific region and determine the rankings of each region team to determine home field advantage. I believe this could be a win-win for everyone and create a lot more TV money during the holiday season. This still gives you the Christmas Week and week leading up to New Years for the other bowl games.

DEC 5
CONFERENCE CHAMPIONSHIPS All 10 Conferences

DEC 12
COTTON BOWL REGION
MWC CHAMP, MAC CHAMP, At-Large, At-Large

SUGAR BOWL REGION
CUSA CHAMP, SBC CHAMP, At-Large, At-Large

ORANGE BOWL BOWL REGION
AAC CHAMP, At-Large, At-Large, At-Large

DEC 19
ALAMO BOWL
COTTON BOWL PLAY-IN

NEW ORLEANS BOWL
SUGAR BOWL PLAY-IN

LIBERTY BOWL
ORANGE BOWL PLAY IN


NEW YEARS 4
ROSE BOWL
BIG vs PAC

COTTON BOWL
BIG 12 vs ALAMO BOWL WINNER

SUGAR BOWL
SEC vs NEW ORLEANS BOWL WINNER

ORANGE BOWL
ACC vs LIBERTY BOWL WINNER

JAN 9
FIESTA BOWL
ROSE BOWL WINNER
vs.
COTTON BOWL WINNER

PEACH BOWL
SUGAR BOWL WINNER
vs.
ORANGE BOWL WINNER


JAN 18 NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP
FIESTA BOWL WINNER
vs (MIAMI GARDENS / HARD ROCK STADIUM)
PEACH BOWL WINNER



DEC 5 CONFERENCE CHAMPIONSHIP WEEK
AAC
Cincinnat vs. Memphis

ACC
Clemson vs. Virginia

B12
Oklahoma s. Baylor

BIG TEN
Ohio State vs. Wisconsin

CUSA
FAU vs. UAB

MAC
Miami OH vs Central Michigan

MWC
Boise State vs. Hawaii

PAC-12
Oregon vs. Utah

SEC
Georgia vs. LSU

SBC
App State vs. Louisiana

DEC 12 REGIONALS
COTTON BOWL REGIONAL
Miami (OH)
at (Waco, TX)
Baylor

Boise State
at (State College, PA)
Penn State

SUGAR BOWL REGIONAL
FAU
at (Athens, GA)
Georgia

App State
at (Salt Lake City, UT)
Utah

ORANGE BOWL BOWL REGION
Memphis
at (Madison, WI)
Wisoncsin

Auburn
at (Gainsesville, FL)
Florida

DEC 19 PLAY IN WEEKEND
BAYLOR
ALAMO BOWL
COTTON BOWL PLAY-IN

PENN STATE

GEORGIA
NEW ORLEANS BOWL
SUGAR BOWL PLAY-IN

APP STATE

WISCONSIN
LIBERTY BOWL
ORANGE BOWL PLAY IN

FLORIDA

NEW YEARS EVE/DAY
ROSE BOWL
OHIO STATE vs OREGON

COTTON BOWL
OKLAHOMA vs PENN STATE

SUGAR BOWL
LSU vs GEORGIA

ORANGE BOWL
CLEMSON vs FLORIDA

JAN 9 FINAL FOUR
OHIO STATE
FIESTA BOWL
OKLAHOMA

LSU
PEACH BOWL
CLEMSON


JAN 18 NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP

OKLAHOMA
HARD ROCK STADIUM
MIAMI GARDENS, FL

LSU

Now that's "thinking outside the box!"

One thing is for sure - - the current CFP system is complete b@llsh*t!

There's no drama in it. It's usually three of the "usual suspects" in every damn playoff.

It's actually boring! You'd have to pay me $50 bucks to watch one of those playoff series games under the current arrangement, and even then, I'd be surfing the net on my cell phone the whole time.

But it's not going to switch from 4 teams to 27 teams in the playoffs.

They could begin by switching to an 8-team playoff. All that would be required would adding a semifinals round (2 games) in between the NY6 Bowls and the Championship Game.

It would generate plenty of revenue, and it would another exciting weekend of college fb every year. The idea is a no-brainer.

Like the general idea but I would make two changes. 1) seed the G5 champs and place accordingly. and 2) guarantee the top 3 G5 champs (based on the CFP standings) a home game in the opening round.

Yeah that could all be done for wedding. I was just trying to keep it simple for posting. I thought it would be great tv to have a somewhat regional feel for the bowl games and campus games. Like a Coastal at Clemson in the first round. I don’t know if the committee would do the the top 3 they may do the top G5, would be hard to say a Coastal gets home field over a Clemson or Northwestern.

Alternatively, the on campus games could come down to a blind draw. Admittedly, I've always have been a fan of the optics of seeing a Man U playing at a League 2 stadium during the FA Cup. While the gate may not be as much, this is more of a TV product at this point, plus you will be more likely to get a full house for the game, since these games will take place either during or after finals week.
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(11-25-2020 09:43 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Parts of Big Sky and MVFC to form an FBS Conference.
Montana
Montana State
Idaho
North Dakota State
South Dakota State
Northern Iowa
Missouri State
Weber State
Illinois State
New Mexico State as an affiliate in football.

So you're on board with the Great Northern?

Someone pointed out that Big Sky should join FBS, but the majority of the schools do not qualify for FBS because of their stadiums.
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(11-25-2020 11:37 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Seems a little unfair that the SEC, Big 12, and ACC get to play schools who’ve had to win 2 rounds of play in games while they get to sit back and rest while the PAC 12 and Big Ten have to play each other.

5-1-2 is the way to go. Simple, elegant, very little decision making done by committees and you aren’t adding a bunch of extra games for fans to travel to and adding wear and tear on the student athletes.

Play the quarter finals in traditional bowl sites on/around NYD. Play the semis 7-10 days later. Play the NCG the weekend before the Super Bowl (but not on the same night that the Pro Bowl airs)

That’s definitely an improvement. I think the “1” should be non-P5, because independents shouldn’t be punished if they finish ahead of the “G5 champ” with a stronger schedule etc.

It should just be turned over to the NCAA and modeled after the FCS playoffs (10 auto-bids and six at-large works). Just make the Elite 8 the major bowl games.

I think giving each conference an auto-bid would encourage some sensible realignment based on tradition and geography as well.
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10 conference champs and a bunch of wild cards and have fun on the gridiron, then the cfp committee members and its supporters can be deported to china
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(11-26-2020 10:10 AM)esayem Wrote:  
(11-25-2020 11:37 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Seems a little unfair that the SEC, Big 12, and ACC get to play schools who’ve had to win 2 rounds of play in games while they get to sit back and rest while the PAC 12 and Big Ten have to play each other.

5-1-2 is the way to go. Simple, elegant, very little decision making done by committees and you aren’t adding a bunch of extra games for fans to travel to and adding wear and tear on the student athletes.

Play the quarter finals in traditional bowl sites on/around NYD. Play the semis 7-10 days later. Play the NCG the weekend before the Super Bowl (but not on the same night that the Pro Bowl airs)

That’s definitely an improvement. I think the “1” should be non-P5, because independents shouldn’t be punished if they finish ahead of the “G5 champ” with a stronger schedule etc.

Only one slot for a non-P5 team is not going to make sense when there are two undefeated non-P5 teams in the AP Top 8- - Cincinnati and BYU - - as there are right now.

That type of idea might have seemed "generous" when it was made a part of the NY6 bowls, but times have changed.

Due to the steady increase in the number of non-P5 teams in the top 20 over the past half-decade, the playoffs would be considered more and more illegitimate and anachronistic with each passing year if there were to be a set rule stipulating that only one non-P5 team will have an opportunity to participate.

(11-26-2020 10:10 AM)esayem Wrote:  I think giving each conference an auto-bid would encourage some sensible realignment based on tradition and geography as well.

Apparently, by "each conference," you're referring to only five of the FBS conferences.

At the very least, an auto-bid should be granted to the top 6-ranked conferences. At present, that would include the P5 conferences and one G5 conference. In an eight-team playoff series, the other two slots should go to any top 8-ranked teams that finish the season with an undefeated record. If there are no such teams in the top 10, then one or two of the most highly-ranked teams in the top 10 that didn't win conference championships.

With 6 auto-bids, the eight 2020 teams would most likely be:

Probable ACC Champion - Notre Dame or Clemson
Probable Big Ten Champion - Ohio State
Probable Big 12 Champion - Oklahoma or Iowa State
Probable Pac-12 Champion - Oregon
Probable SEC Champion - Alabama
Probable Top G5 Champion - Cincinnati
At Large #1 - (#2) Notre Dame or (#4) Clemson
At Large #2 - (#8) BYU (by virtue of being Top 10 and undefeated)


However, there would be considerable controversy if teams that win conference championships don't finish the season in the top 10.

For example, Florida and TAMU wouldn't make the playoffs with 6 auto-bids (Alabama has locked in the SEC Championship), unless one of them beat the second-place ACC team (ND or Clemson).

If the PAC-12 champion (e.g., current #9 Oregon) ends up in the top 10, there wouldn't be such a controversy. However, the may not be a top 10 school that wins the Big-12 championship.

To deal with that type of scenario, the rules could be adjusted by eliminating a conference's automatic bid if the conference champion doesn't finish in the top 10, thus opening up an additional at-large bid.

For example, using 2020 as an example, unless Iowa State or Oklahoma finishes in the top 10, the Big-12's automatic bid would be forfeited, and either Florida or Texas A&M (whichever is most highly-ranked) would take that playoff spot.

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I agree with the general comments that this is a nice idea. Essentially this is a 5-3 playoff with a 12-team tournament for those 3 at large spots filling the month of December.

Assuming you want to fill December, this is great and perhaps the beast balance of maximizing TV and minimizing upset potential of the top teams. If the greater priority is giving all teams access, I’d suggest modifying the G5 CCGs. Instead make them (+1 WCG) invitationals. The winner of each G5 regular season hosts a game (as all but the MAC do now) but the opponent is opened to all teams.

I do like the regional aspect of a December tourney; I keep it in my for-fun CRAZY tourney.
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The current 4-team college playoff system is highly flawed. The movement toward an expanded playoff system (most likely an 8-team playoff system) continues to gather steam, in part because it will add another exciting weekend of college football and because it will boost revenues for all concerned.

Due to the steady increase in the number of non-P5 teams in the top 20 over the past half-decade, the playoffs will be considered more and more illegitimate and anachronistic with each passing year if there were is a set rule stipulating that only one non-P5 team will have an opportunity to participate.
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(11-26-2020 11:08 AM)jedclampett Wrote:  
(11-26-2020 10:10 AM)esayem Wrote:  
(11-25-2020 11:37 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Seems a little unfair that the SEC, Big 12, and ACC get to play schools who’ve had to win 2 rounds of play in games while they get to sit back and rest while the PAC 12 and Big Ten have to play each other.

5-1-2 is the way to go. Simple, elegant, very little decision making done by committees and you aren’t adding a bunch of extra games for fans to travel to and adding wear and tear on the student athletes.

Play the quarter finals in traditional bowl sites on/around NYD. Play the semis 7-10 days later. Play the NCG the weekend before the Super Bowl (but not on the same night that the Pro Bowl airs)

That’s definitely an improvement. I think the “1” should be non-P5, because independents shouldn’t be punished if they finish ahead of the “G5 champ” with a stronger schedule etc.

Only one slot for a non-P5 team is not going to make sense when there are two undefeated non-P5 teams in the AP Top 8- - Cincinnati and BYU - - as there are right now.

That type of idea might have seemed "generous" when it was made a part of the NY6 bowls, but times have changed.

Due to the steady increase in the number of non-P5 teams in the top 20 over the past half-decade, the playoffs would be considered more and more illegitimate and anachronistic with each passing year if there were to be a set rule stipulating that only one non-P5 team will have an opportunity to participate.

(11-26-2020 10:10 AM)esayem Wrote:  I think giving each conference an auto-bid would encourage some sensible realignment based on tradition and geography as well.

Apparently, by "each conference," you're referring to only five of the FBS conferences.

At the very least, an auto-bid should be granted to the top 6-ranked conferences. At present, that would include the P5 conferences and one G5 conference. In an eight-team playoff series, the other two slots should go to any top 8-ranked teams that finish the season with an undefeated record. If there are no such teams in the top 10, then one or two of the most highly-ranked teams in the top 10 that didn't win conference championships.

With 6 auto-bids, the eight 2020 teams would most likely be:

Probable ACC Champion - Notre Dame or Clemson
Probable Big Ten Champion - Ohio State
Probable Big 12 Champion - Oklahoma or Iowa State
Probable Pac-12 Champion - Oregon
Probable SEC Champion - Alabama
Probable Top G5 Champion - Cincinnati
At Large #1 - (#2) Notre Dame or (#4) Clemson
At Large #2 - (#8) BYU (by virtue of being Top 10 and undefeated)


However, there would be considerable controversy if teams that win conference championships don't finish the season in the top 10.

For example, Florida and TAMU wouldn't make the playoffs with 6 auto-bids (Alabama has locked in the SEC Championship), unless one of them beat the second-place ACC team (ND or Clemson).

If the PAC-12 champion (e.g., current #9 Oregon) ends up in the top 10, there wouldn't be such a controversy. However, the may not be a top 10 school that wins the Big-12 championship.

To deal with that type of scenario, the rules could be adjusted by eliminating a conference's automatic bid if the conference champion doesn't finish in the top 10, thus opening up an additional at-large bid.

For example, using 2020 as an example, unless Iowa State or Oklahoma finishes in the top 10, the Big-12's automatic bid would be forfeited, and either Florida or Texas A&M (whichever is most highly-ranked) would take that playoff spot.

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You are incorrect on both accounts. The guarantee for a non-P5 wouldn’t prohibit another non-P5 from securing an at-large.

I literally wrote “10 auto-bids” in the next paragraph which outlines an NCAA sanctioned playoff. There are 10 conferences.
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(11-26-2020 12:32 PM)esayem Wrote:  
(11-26-2020 11:08 AM)jedclampett Wrote:  
(11-26-2020 10:10 AM)esayem Wrote:  
(11-25-2020 11:37 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Seems a little unfair that the SEC, Big 12, and ACC get to play schools who’ve had to win 2 rounds of play in games while they get to sit back and rest while the PAC 12 and Big Ten have to play each other.

5-1-2 is the way to go. Simple, elegant, very little decision making done by committees and you aren’t adding a bunch of extra games for fans to travel to and adding wear and tear on the student athletes.

Play the quarter finals in traditional bowl sites on/around NYD. Play the semis 7-10 days later. Play the NCG the weekend before the Super Bowl (but not on the same night that the Pro Bowl airs)

That’s definitely an improvement. I think the “1” should be non-P5, because independents shouldn’t be punished if they finish ahead of the “G5 champ” with a stronger schedule etc.

Only one slot for a non-P5 team is not going to make sense when there are two undefeated non-P5 teams in the AP Top 8- - Cincinnati and BYU - - as there are right now.

That type of idea might have seemed "generous" when it was made a part of the NY6 bowls, but times have changed.

Due to the steady increase in the number of non-P5 teams in the top 20 over the past half-decade, the playoffs would be considered more and more illegitimate and anachronistic with each passing year if there were to be a set rule stipulating that only one non-P5 team will have an opportunity to participate.

(11-26-2020 10:10 AM)esayem Wrote:  I think giving each conference an auto-bid would encourage some sensible realignment based on tradition and geography as well.

Apparently, by "each conference," you're referring to only five of the FBS conferences.

At the very least, an auto-bid should be granted to the top 6-ranked conferences. At present, that would include the P5 conferences and one G5 conference. In an eight-team playoff series, the other two slots should go to any top 8-ranked teams that finish the season with an undefeated record. If there are no such teams in the top 10, then one or two of the most highly-ranked teams in the top 10 that didn't win conference championships.

With 6 auto-bids, the eight 2020 teams would most likely be:

Probable ACC Champion - Notre Dame or Clemson
Probable Big Ten Champion - Ohio State
Probable Big 12 Champion - Oklahoma or Iowa State
Probable Pac-12 Champion - Oregon
Probable SEC Champion - Alabama
Probable Top G5 Champion - Cincinnati
At Large #1 - (#2) Notre Dame or (#4) Clemson
At Large #2 - (#8) BYU (by virtue of being Top 10 and undefeated)


However, there would be considerable controversy if teams that win conference championships don't finish the season in the top 10.

For example, Florida and TAMU wouldn't make the playoffs with 6 auto-bids (Alabama has locked in the SEC Championship), unless one of them beat the second-place ACC team (ND or Clemson).

If the PAC-12 champion (e.g., current #9 Oregon) ends up in the top 10, there wouldn't be such a controversy. However, the may not be a top 10 school that wins the Big-12 championship.

To deal with that type of scenario, the rules could be adjusted by eliminating a conference's automatic bid if the conference champion doesn't finish in the top 10, thus opening up an additional at-large bid.

For example, using 2020 as an example, unless Iowa State or Oklahoma finishes in the top 10, the Big-12's automatic bid would be forfeited, and either Florida or Texas A&M (whichever is most highly-ranked) would take that playoff spot.

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You are incorrect on both accounts. The guarantee for a non-P5 wouldn’t prohibit another non-P5 from securing an at-large.

I literally wrote “10 auto-bids” in the next paragraph which outlines an NCAA sanctioned playoff. There are 10 conferences.

Well then...I have one more thing to be thankful for, this day!

An enlightened soul, at last!
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