(10-29-2020 07:47 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  The Hill published an article to say that Trump was going to win and win big. They go through the motions of saying how the polls are garbage, especially the ones that sample less than 1000 voters per state.

LOL

Quote:BY JONATHAN JAKUBOWSKI AND CHRISTOS A. MAKRIDIS, OPINION CONTRIBUTORS
THE VIEWS EXPRESSED BY CONTRIBUTORS ARE THEIR OWN AND NOT THE VIEW OF THE HILL

(10-29-2020 08:02 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-29-2020 07:47 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  The Hill published an article to say that Trump was going to win and win big. They go through the motions of saying how the polls are garbage, especially the ones that sample less than 1000 voters per state.

LOL

Quote:BY JONATHAN JAKUBOWSKI AND CHRISTOS A. MAKRIDIS, OPINION CONTRIBUTORS
THE VIEWS EXPRESSED BY CONTRIBUTORS ARE THEIR OWN AND NOT THE VIEW OF THE HILL

I said the Hill PUBLISHED it you idiot. I didnt say they WROTE it.

(10-29-2020 08:03 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(10-29-2020 08:02 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-29-2020 07:47 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  The Hill published an article to say that Trump was going to win and win big. They go through the motions of saying how the polls are garbage, especially the ones that sample less than 1000 voters per state.

LOL

Quote:BY JONATHAN JAKUBOWSKI AND CHRISTOS A. MAKRIDIS, OPINION CONTRIBUTORS
THE VIEWS EXPRESSED BY CONTRIBUTORS ARE THEIR OWN AND NOT THE VIEW OF THE HILL

I said the Hill PUBLISHED it you idiot. I didnt say they WROTE it.

Not the point moron. The point is that it's an opinion...and a biased one. Just like you claim the polls and pollsters are.

You know what they say about opinions...

If Texas is "in play", you can go to bed early that night.

(10-12-2020 07:35 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  this is mine

Thinking of flipping PA Blue, & MI & WI Red. I wonder about NV too....

It comes down to the same four it did last time--PA, OH, MI, WI.

When western PA started reporting and the state started to swing to Trump in 2016, that's when I started thinking Trump was going to win this.

I have no clue how this one turns out, but I do think those are the key states.

(10-29-2020 10:34 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  It comes down to the same four it did last time--PA, OH, MI, WI.

When western PA started reporting and the state started to swing to Trump in 2016, that's when I started thinking Trump was going to win this.

and when FL was close with only the panhandle to be counted. I remember them talking on TV that night about it was all Trump country in the Redneck Riviera and said that area of FL is more like south Alabama than it is south FL.

NC will count ballots 9 days past the election. PA will be making votes several days after the election.

We'll have 3 to 9 days of rioting over Trump's apparent win whether he wins or not.

(10-29-2020 10:45 AM)Claw Wrote:  NC will count ballots 9 days past the election. PA will be making votes several days after the election.

We'll have 3 to 9 days of rioting over Trump's apparent win whether he wins or not.

When you guys riot, can you grab me the new Xbox?

The counting of votes well after the 3rd bothers me. I have little to no reason to trust any of this - on either side.

What will really bother me is if we have a razor thin margin. Regardless of who is in the lead when the late counts are posted, if the lead changes I will be speculative of that.



Tom you can say whatever you want, this is not Trumps fault in a vacuum. Both sides are screaming "conspiracy" with every opportunity it is needed and when it is convenient for them. The WHOLE SYSTEM Created this mess.

(10-29-2020 11:02 AM)fsquid Wrote:  

(10-29-2020 10:45 AM)Claw Wrote:  NC will count ballots 9 days past the election. PA will be making votes several days after the election.

We'll have 3 to 9 days of rioting over Trump's apparent win whether he wins or not.

When you guys riot, can you grab me the new Xbox?

Ooh - me too...... me too!

(10-29-2020 11:16 AM)Eldonabe Wrote:  The counting of votes well after the 3rd bothers me. I have little to no reason to trust any of this - on either side.

What will really bother me is if we have a razor thin margin. Regardless of who is in the lead when the late counts are posted, if the lead changes I will be speculative of that.



Tom you can say whatever you want, this is not Trumps fault in a vacuum. Both sides are screaming "conspiracy" with every opportunity it is needed and when it is convenient for them. The WHOLE SYSTEM Created this mess.

You do realize that in every election in recent years that they've counted votes for many days after November 3rd, right?

What you've seen on election night is assumptions of who won based on current totals and precincts remaining. It's always taken days to count mail in ballots and provisional ballots. If the race is close in any state, they can't call it on November 3rd and never have. See Florida in 2000.

States have a certain amount of days after election day before they're required to certify their vote totals.

Here's my prediction - blue wave. People are fed up with Trump. Lots of folks not following the volumes being cast. Large numbers at the polls lead to democrat landslide.

[img] https://www.270towin.com/map-images/2z20O[/img]


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(10-29-2020 11:16 AM)Eldonabe Wrote:  The counting of votes well after the 3rd bothers me. I have little to no reason to trust any of this - on either side.

What will really bother me is if we have a razor thin margin. Regardless of who is in the lead when the late counts are posted, if the lead changes I will be speculative of that.



Tom you can say whatever you want, this is not Trumps fault in a vacuum. Both sides are screaming "conspiracy" with every opportunity it is needed and when it is convenient for them. The WHOLE SYSTEM Created this mess.

States like Pennsylvania have laws that require ballots cast early or by mail cannot be opened to be counted until election day.

That means starting at 7 am on Tuesday, they'll have to begin the process of opening up hundreds of thousands of envelopes containing ballots, flatten them out, and start getting them sorted. The fact of the matter is that there's a chance that we won't know the full results in some battleground states until a day or two after election day. It's not because rampant cheating, but because it takes time to accurately count every vote.

Trump calling for a final result on Nov. 3 is unrealistic, and frankly undemocratic.

(10-29-2020 12:22 PM)slktigers Wrote:  Here's my prediction - blue wave. People are fed up with Trump. Lots of folks not following the volumes being cast. Large numbers at the polls lead to democrat landslide.

[img] https://www.270towin.com/map-images/2z20O[/img]


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I like your map, but I don't see dems winning South Carolina anytime soon.

The issue has never been about having all votes counted on election day but the issue this year is allowing votes to come in after election day. In the past, absentee ballots have typically taken awhile after election day to be fully counted and certified but only in extremely close elections (i.e. Florida 2000) did it matter to wait to have them fully counted. I understand Trump's trepidation about allowing votes to come in after November 3rd. It leaves a huge hole open for fraud or at a minimum, assumption of fraud.

In 2016, Florida did not finsh counting until Nov. 20

(10-29-2020 12:46 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  The issue has never been about having all votes counted on election day but the issue this year is allowing votes to come in after election day. In the past, absentee ballots have typically taken awhile after election day to be fully counted and certified but only in extremely close elections (i.e. Florida 2000) did it matter to wait to have them fully counted. I understand Trump's trepidation about allowing votes to come in after November 3rd. It leaves a huge hole open for fraud or at a minimum, assumption of fraud.

No. It doesn't. In fact, IIRC trump has lost every lawsuit filed in PA because he can't show any proof that this leads to any increased fraud.

I'm sure you're aware that you can easily tell when a ballot is mailed due to the post office markings on the outer envelope.

Lastly, the states run their own elections. If they decide to accept ballots as valid that are mailed on or before 11/3 but are received after 11/3 they have every right to do so under their law.

So where's the fraud come in? Weren't you just saying in the other thread gotta watch out for Republicans doing it? Or are Democrats blameless when it comes to it?

(10-29-2020 02:14 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  So where's the fraud come in? Weren't you just saying in the other thread gotta watch out for Republicans doing it? Or are Democrats blameless when it comes to it?

No...you gotta watch out for both sides doing it...that's the whole point. The insinuation from trump seems to be that only democrats need to be looked at for potential fraud.

But either way, fraud is rare under any circumstance. The penalties are too severe to just try and get a few fraudulent votes in (that accomplish nothing anyway) and it's far too difficult to get numerous fraudulent votes in.