The dem election games worry me a bit.

(10-07-2020 02:54 PM)gdunn Wrote:  We really need people from Wisconsin, Minnesota, and Michigan to post here on what they're truly seeing.

Michigander here!

Michigan's just so hard to predict.
Governor: Granholm (D) two terms, then Snyder ® two terms, then Gretchen (D)

Presidential level: hadn't gone R since Bush 80s but went to Trump ®

Michigan at its own legislative level: R has dominated the Senate, but House flips back & forth

Michigan at federal legislative level: D has dominated the Senate but House flips back & forth


I live in West Michigan. The Rural areas / smaller towns are definitely Trump. Suburban, it just depends on the neighborhood. In areas you'd expect to see Trump/James signs, you do. In areas you'd expect to see Biden/BLM/Peters signs, you do. But then there's also your big houses w/ D signs, and your smaller houses closer to the downtown Grand Rapids w/ R signs. Direct downtown looks like it's going to Bernie.

There's also backlash against the governor & they're pissed as hell, but I pay a little more attention to it & am sure she has her supporters too.

I think it'll go Biden, but Trump can win it w/ the right turnout

(10-07-2020 03:22 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

The dem election games worry me a bit.

Their games should worry all of us. If they had a chance of winning this outright, we would not be seeing all this bull. They KNOW they will lose. That is why their entire strategy is to attempt to make the election seem somehow invalid.

I predict we won't determine a winner until sometime in 2021.

(10-07-2020 02:54 PM)gdunn Wrote:  We really need people from Wisconsin, Minnesota, and Michigan to post here on what they're truly seeing.

Agreed, I predicted them for Biden based on his lead in the polls (although we all know how unreliable they are) and the fact that they have gone blue in every election dating back to 2000 with the exception of Trumps win in 2016 in Michigan and Wisconsin by 0.2% and 0.7% respectively (Clinton won Minnesota in 2016 by 1.5%). I don't pretend to have any information from the ground, so a Trump win is still possible.

ELECTION NIGHT

Based on ballots counted and exit polls, it will look like Trump wins in a landslide over Biden:





POST-ELECTION

Based on millions of mail-in ballots received several days after Election Night....Biden sneaks out apparent wins in PA, MI, WI, MN, and NH. Biden sees a comfortable lead in the popular vote. Democrats and the media call for President Trump to concede the victory to Biden.

Trump calls for recounts and alleges pervasive voter fraud. A rush of lawsuits ensue. Massive rioting in many major U.S. cities after Trump does not concede. Rioting and protests continue throughout the rest of the year.




AFTER COURT RULING AND PENNSYLVANIA RECOUNT

Then, in December, after a crucial court ruling, thousands of 'unlawful' ballots are removed and a recount is taken in Pennsylvania....

....Trump retakes Pennsylvania and is declared the Electoral Vote winner. Rioting explodes. Trump sends in U.S. Marshalls into several Blue cities.




MARCH 2021 CIVIL WAR MAP:



(Actually, the Pacific States map would only extend to certain counties around Seattle, Portland and the California Coast from the Bay Area to LA. The secession corridor in the Midwest would extend from Minneapolis to southern Wisconsin and Northern Illinois and Detroit. The majority of the territory of these states would remain red.)

(10-07-2020 03:42 PM)TripleA Wrote:  I predict we won't determine a winner until sometime in 2021.

Won't happen. We have to have a winner declared by December 14 at the latest.

(10-07-2020 02:27 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(10-07-2020 02:11 PM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  

(10-07-2020 02:00 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(10-07-2020 01:58 PM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  

You're not predicting a complete landslide for Biden?

No, I think Florida and Ohio go for Trump again. I've gone back to visit my dad in rural Ohio and the enthusiasm for Trump is off the charts.

I think the Dems pick up Arizona, hold Minnesota and win back Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and Michigan. But honestly, I feel like it could go either way. As much as I want to forget 2016, you can't discredit Trump in those vital swing states.

As a Cleveland Browns fan, I have to assume no lead is safe. Cleveland was up big on Dallas last Sunday going into the 4th quarter 41-14. Dak promptly put up 24 points in the 4th to make the game interesting in the final minutes, and if OBJ got tackled in the backfield instead of ripping off a 50-yd TD run, the Cowboys would have been in position to tie or win the game.

I do believe Biden is up pretty big right now, but I still feel uneasy about the situation.

I live in PA.. I don't think you understand the lack of enthusiasm here. It may be what you experienced in Ohio on your visit. I live in a pretty liberal area. When you get in the city limits you see Biden signs with a few Trump signs sprinkled in, but when you get outside the city limits, it's Trump country. In 2016 this county went blue, but only by 1k votes I think. I'm unsure how it goes this go around. I don't sense the excitement in Biden as I did with Hillary.

Even the neighbor who's doubling down isn't all that excited. His daughter confided in us she's voting Trump but not to tell dad.

I think we found 300 Trump houses vs 50 Biden houses on a little trip a couple of weeks ago. If PA isn't red, it may be purple. It's hard to say what's going on east of here.

I live in Greater Cincinnati (actually in outlying Clermont County which is conservative). Maybe its because Hamilton County (Cincinnati) is so profoundly Blue anymore, but I think Ohio might go to Biden this time around. Yeah rural Ohio is Trump Country, but the bigger cities and counties have so much TDS right now.

I did not vote Trump in 2016 because I feared his presidency would provoke a response that would shift everything to the Left. I fear that has happened. There are otherwise intelligent people now believing that anything that has to be to against Trump has to be good.

(10-07-2020 02:15 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  

+3

(10-07-2020 04:04 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(10-07-2020 03:42 PM)TripleA Wrote:  I predict we won't determine a winner until sometime in 2021.

Won't happen. We have to have a winner declared by December 14 at the latest.

So if they haven't resolved counts in swing states by then, they just flip a coin?

It took something like 32 days just to resolve a few hanging chads in Florida 20 years ago.

(10-07-2020 04:32 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(10-07-2020 02:27 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(10-07-2020 02:11 PM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  

(10-07-2020 02:00 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(10-07-2020 01:58 PM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  

You're not predicting a complete landslide for Biden?

No, I think Florida and Ohio go for Trump again. I've gone back to visit my dad in rural Ohio and the enthusiasm for Trump is off the charts.

I think the Dems pick up Arizona, hold Minnesota and win back Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and Michigan. But honestly, I feel like it could go either way. As much as I want to forget 2016, you can't discredit Trump in those vital swing states.

As a Cleveland Browns fan, I have to assume no lead is safe. Cleveland was up big on Dallas last Sunday going into the 4th quarter 41-14. Dak promptly put up 24 points in the 4th to make the game interesting in the final minutes, and if OBJ got tackled in the backfield instead of ripping off a 50-yd TD run, the Cowboys would have been in position to tie or win the game.

I do believe Biden is up pretty big right now, but I still feel uneasy about the situation.

I live in PA.. I don't think you understand the lack of enthusiasm here. It may be what you experienced in Ohio on your visit. I live in a pretty liberal area. When you get in the city limits you see Biden signs with a few Trump signs sprinkled in, but when you get outside the city limits, it's Trump country. In 2016 this county went blue, but only by 1k votes I think. I'm unsure how it goes this go around. I don't sense the excitement in Biden as I did with Hillary.

Even the neighbor who's doubling down isn't all that excited. His daughter confided in us she's voting Trump but not to tell dad.

I think we found 300 Trump houses vs 50 Biden houses on a little trip a couple of weeks ago. If PA isn't red, it may be purple. It's hard to say what's going on east of here.

I live in Greater Cincinnati (actually in outlying Clermont County which is conservative). Maybe its because Hamilton County (Cincinnati) is so profoundly Blue anymore, but I think Ohio might go to Biden this time around. Yeah rural Ohio is Trump Country, but the bigger cities and counties have so much TDS right now.

I did not vote Trump in 2016 because I feared his presidency would provoke a response that would shift everything to the Left. I fear that has happened. There are otherwise intelligent people now believing that anything that has to be to against Trump has to be good.

About the way I feel about Michigan.

(10-07-2020 03:37 PM)Claw Wrote:  

(10-07-2020 03:22 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

The dem election games worry me a bit.

Their games should worry all of us. If they had a chance of winning this outright, we would not be seeing all this bull. They KNOW they will lose. That is why their entire strategy is to attempt to make the election seem somehow invalid.

I'm still going with 326-212. Trump wins all of last years + NH, MN and NV.
But I'm not as confident as I was a month ago. And the shenanigans in NV, AZ, WI, MI and PA could be epic. I don't think they can get away with enough to steal Florida.

My wild assed guess....Arizona is this year’s Florida 2000.

Trump will win. Easily.

(10-07-2020 04:21 PM)Billy_Bearcat Wrote:  

I should let the Trump campaign know to get the Champaign on ice!

(10-07-2020 06:14 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(10-07-2020 04:21 PM)Billy_Bearcat Wrote:  

I should let the Trump campaign know to get the Champaign on ice!

It’s ova baby. Dun. Finito.

(10-07-2020 06:22 PM)Billy_Bearcat Wrote:  

(10-07-2020 06:14 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(10-07-2020 04:21 PM)Billy_Bearcat Wrote:  

I should let the Trump campaign know to get the Champaign on ice!

It’s ova baby. Dun. Finito.

Reds will never get to .500 on line one...

(10-07-2020 06:24 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(10-07-2020 06:22 PM)Billy_Bearcat Wrote:  

(10-07-2020 06:14 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(10-07-2020 04:21 PM)Billy_Bearcat Wrote:  

I should let the Trump campaign know to get the Champaign on ice!

It’s ova baby. Dun. Finito.

Reds will never get to .500 on line one...

I had $250 on the over this year...31.5

(10-07-2020 05:01 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(10-07-2020 04:04 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(10-07-2020 03:42 PM)TripleA Wrote:  I predict we won't determine a winner until sometime in 2021.

Won't happen. We have to have a winner declared by December 14 at the latest.

So if they haven't resolved counts in swing states by then, they just flip a coin?

It took something like 32 days just to resolve a few hanging chads in Florida 20 years ago.

Dec 14 is when the electors cast votes. If there’s no winner I think it goes to the house. If I’m incorrect someone please correct me.