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(09-21-2020 11:59 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(09-21-2020 11:51 AM)monarx Wrote:  https://umassathletics.com/news/2020/9/2...-2020.aspx

UMass is reversing course and playing in Oct. Maybe this is good news for ODU. Unless one believes Hampton Roads is uniquely a major global hotbed for the virus and much worse than anywhere else n the country Id have to think We are considering the same move.

I will say it right now. ODU is not playing football even if they are the only program left sitting it out. Wood has put himself out there at this point (as he often prematurely does) and there is no going back.

He could save face by saying conditions have changed and the players+ coaches opinions have changed. But he probably won’t. Remember, we are Sweden. Stay the course.

Our guys just started limited practicing. When would they even be ready to play games...4-6 weeks? Whats the point?

(09-21-2020 12:22 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Our guys just started limited practicing. When would they even be ready to play games...4-6 weeks? Whats the point?

Big 10 doesn’t start until October 24. I would think a similar schedule would be doable. Just not sure who we could schedule unless one of the Johnny come lately leagues allows us in for one season. Still seems like a slim chance. Not sure how UMass is doing it.

(09-21-2020 12:38 PM)Chillie Willie Wrote:  

(09-21-2020 12:22 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Our guys just started limited practicing. When would they even be ready to play games...4-6 weeks? Whats the point?

Big 10 doesn’t start until October 24. I would think a similar schedule would be doable. Just not sure who we could schedule unless one of the Johnny come lately leagues allows us in for one season. Still seems like a slim chance. Not sure how UMass is doing it.

UMass and ODU to the mac for a 1 off year.

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(09-21-2020 12:38 PM)Chillie Willie Wrote:  

(09-21-2020 12:22 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Our guys just started limited practicing. When would they even be ready to play games...4-6 weeks? Whats the point?

Big 10 doesn’t start until October 24. I would think a similar schedule would be doable. Just not sure who we could schedule unless one of the Johnny come lately leagues allows us in for one season. Still seems like a slim chance. Not sure how UMass is doing it.

From a very layman and outsider view, this feels like a decision driven by FOMO and little else. As with ODU, the circumstances that led them to their first decision haven't changed, nor have the decision makers. If anything, it's going to be a harder lift with no regional opponents likely to be available. Burn a year of eligibility to rush into a half-schedule in front of a few or no fans? Maybe if they backtracked after a year but if you're not in a conference, I think the reasonable point of no return is in the rearview mirror.

This isn't even COVID, this is just straight-up logistics.

Took me less than 5 minutes to put this together.

ODU Football Last Minute Schedule with a start date of OCT 17th.

Oct. 17 Umass
Oct. 24 ECU Florida Atlantic
Oct. 31 ARMY
Nov. 7 UAB or BYU
Nov. 14 Central Arkansas
Nov. 21 Florida Atlantic
Nov. 28 Liberty or BYU or Marshall
Dec. 5 NAVY or Marshall

Some schools are looking for games for Dec 12.

(09-21-2020 12:44 PM)benny_t Wrote:  

(09-21-2020 12:38 PM)Chillie Willie Wrote:  

(09-21-2020 12:22 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Our guys just started limited practicing. When would they even be ready to play games...4-6 weeks? Whats the point?

Big 10 doesn’t start until October 24. I would think a similar schedule would be doable. Just not sure who we could schedule unless one of the Johnny come lately leagues allows us in for one season. Still seems like a slim chance. Not sure how UMass is doing it.

UMass and ODU to the mac for a 1 off year.

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They could do it on paper by sticking ODU and UMass in the East and sending Akron and Bowling Green to the West, giving you six in-division games and perhaps two cross-division. But UMass burned their MAC bridges, most likely, and ODU would probably need permission from CUSA. So how easy this would be to execute, and whether it'd be worth it, are the sticking points.

(09-21-2020 12:46 PM)AimHigher Wrote:  Took me less than 5 minutes to put this together.

ODU Football Last Minute Schedule with a start date of OCT 17th.

Oct. 17 Umass
Oct. 24 ECU Florida Atlantic
Oct. 31 ARMY
Nov. 7 UAB or BYU
Nov. 14 Central Arkansas
Nov. 21 Florida Atlantic
Nov. 28 Liberty or BYU or Marshall
Dec. 5 NAVY or Marshall

Some schools are looking for games for Dec 12.

They aren't even fully practicing. You would be willing to throw them out there with less than 4 weeks of (who knows how much less than 4) actual practice?

(09-21-2020 12:46 PM)AimHigher Wrote:  Took me less than 5 minutes to put this together.

ODU Football Last Minute Schedule with a start date of OCT 17th.

Oct. 17 Umass
Oct. 24 ECU Florida Atlantic
Oct. 31 ARMY
Nov. 7 UAB or BYU
Nov. 14 Central Arkansas
Nov. 21 Florida Atlantic
Nov. 28 Liberty or BYU or Marshall
Dec. 5 NAVY or Marshall

Some schools are looking for games for Dec 12.

That’s great as a potential schedule, but the actual confirmed schedule will take WAY longer than 5 minutes.

(09-21-2020 12:51 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(09-21-2020 12:46 PM)AimHigher Wrote:  Took me less than 5 minutes to put this together.

ODU Football Last Minute Schedule with a start date of OCT 17th.

Oct. 17 Umass
Oct. 24 ECU Florida Atlantic
Oct. 31 ARMY
Nov. 7 UAB or BYU
Nov. 14 Central Arkansas
Nov. 21 Florida Atlantic
Nov. 28 Liberty or BYU or Marshall
Dec. 5 NAVY or Marshall

Some schools are looking for games for Dec 12.

They aren't even fully practicing. You would be willing to throw them out there with less than 4 weeks of (who knows how much less than 4) actual practice?

What the rule on preseason practices. isn't it 20 to 25 practices in the preseason? If they started last week they would have 25 days until Oct 17 not counting the practices they already have had.

(09-21-2020 12:58 PM)Chillie Willie Wrote:  

(09-21-2020 12:46 PM)AimHigher Wrote:  Took me less than 5 minutes to put this together.

ODU Football Last Minute Schedule with a start date of OCT 17th.

Oct. 17 Umass
Oct. 24 ECU Florida Atlantic
Oct. 31 ARMY
Nov. 7 UAB or BYU
Nov. 14 Central Arkansas
Nov. 21 Florida Atlantic
Nov. 28 Liberty or BYU or Marshall
Dec. 5 NAVY or Marshall

Some schools are looking for games for Dec 12.

That’s great as a potential schedule, but the actual confirmed schedule will take WAY longer than 5 minutes.

Of course, someone would have to iron out the details but looking at the picture it's doable if they change course within the next day or so.

This decision is going to kill recruiting in the future. Knee jerk, political, and again points to lack of $ to play big boy football. We should have started like we were going to play and mange our way through it and keep the decision day to day based on testing and science. Sad...

Baghdad Bob has shown no signs of shifting the narrative, which means Lil' Woody isn't changing his mind behind the scenes. No football.

(09-21-2020 12:22 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Our guys just started limited practicing. When would they even be ready to play games...4-6 weeks? Whats the point?

Same point as the Big 10, MWC, MAC, and UMass. But I guess we think we're smarter than every other FBS university in the country. Plus, our guys are competitors, I would hope they are itching to get out there and play. In addition, the rest of the NCAA is out there practicing hard, building chemistry, and getting more game experience while we "run drills". There are lots of reasons to play, or at least go full helmet/pads practicing.

(09-21-2020 12:46 PM)AimHigher Wrote:  Took me less than 5 minutes to put this together.

ODU Football Last Minute Schedule with a start date of OCT 17th.

Oct. 17 Umass
Oct. 24 ECU Florida Atlantic
Oct. 31 ARMY
Nov. 7 UAB or BYU
Nov. 14 Central Arkansas
Nov. 21 Florida Atlantic
Nov. 28 Liberty or BYU or Marshall
Dec. 5 NAVY or Marshall

Some schools are looking for games for Dec 12.

That would be a great way to salvage the year. Not a bad schedule at all, considering the circumstances. If we play FAU on that early date (Id rather have ECU) then take the bye on Nov. 21

(09-21-2020 11:57 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  You made some good points. Any momentum that was gained with the hiring of a new staff, in terms fan interest has probably been negated, and that is something that ODU could not afford considering the difficulty of putting butts in seats for the new stadium's first season. We were seeing a few thousand people show up during the second half of last season. That is a ton of people who had lost interest (not) in all of those empty seats. Now you add a second season with no interest from those people, and it is going to be really hard to get them to come back, and it is going to be really hard to fill that stadium. It almost feels like ODU is in a position of having to completely rebuild its football fanbase at this point. I hope I am wrong, and we see the stadium packed a year from now, but I am afraid football is in real danger of losing what little bit or relevance it had built up to this point.

It really does feel like we're going to have to start completely over, only without the novelty and excitement of being a brand new program. All momentum has been lost. Rhane definitely has his work cut out for him. I will say though, so far he seems up to the task. Not as rah, rah as BW was, but seems to be much more of a football mind. Hopefully we don't need a cheerleader like we did with BW, but if we are in fact starting over, maybe we do. We'll see.

(09-21-2020 02:15 PM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  This decision is going to kill recruiting in the future. Knee jerk, political, and again points to lack of $ to play big boy football. We should have started like we were going to play and mange our way through it and keep the decision day to day based on testing and science. Sad...

Exactly. At least until CUSA decided to cancel... which they didnt. That was the way JMU handled it, and it was the smart move. Does anyone think they would be sitting out if the CAA was playing? I don't.

(09-21-2020 01:09 PM)AimHigher Wrote:  

(09-21-2020 12:58 PM)Chillie Willie Wrote:  

(09-21-2020 12:46 PM)AimHigher Wrote:  Took me less than 5 minutes to put this together.

ODU Football Last Minute Schedule with a start date of OCT 17th.

Oct. 17 Umass
Oct. 24 ECU Florida Atlantic
Oct. 31 ARMY
Nov. 7 UAB or BYU
Nov. 14 Central Arkansas
Nov. 21 Florida Atlantic
Nov. 28 Liberty or BYU or Marshall
Dec. 5 NAVY or Marshall

Some schools are looking for games for Dec 12.

That’s great as a potential schedule, but the actual confirmed schedule will take WAY longer than 5 minutes.

Of course, someone would have to iron out the details but looking at the picture it's doable if they change course within the next day or so.

Absolutely. There are just a lot of moving parts that would discourage them from even trying. I’m not sure how our conference mates would feel about playing us, considering it might be considered a conference game and their conference schedule is already set (sort of).

(09-21-2020 02:15 PM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  This decision is going to kill recruiting in the future. Knee jerk, political, and again points to lack of $ to play big boy football. We should have started like we were going to play and mange our way through it and keep the decision day to day based on testing and science. Sad...

Like Xemple did

(09-21-2020 02:39 PM)AimHigher Wrote:  

(09-21-2020 02:15 PM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  This decision is going to kill recruiting in the future. Knee jerk, political, and again points to lack of $ to play big boy football. We should have started like we were going to play and mange our way through it and keep the decision day to day based on testing and science. Sad...

Like Xemple did

Interesting article on the MAC returning to play. And an very related quote about the impact not playing will have on recruiting.

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports...839331002/

"The advantage to playing in the fall, MAC officials have said, is recruiting. If the MAC does become the only conference to reside on the spring-season island, it could set recruiting back years — possibly even leading to a mass exodus this month or next, depending when a decision is made. Many MAC officials believe the short-term financial hit is worth it, to salving the recruiting.

MAC officials also aren't sure if they would be eligible for their share of CFP payout if they don't play in the fall. That could be worth more than $1 million per school."

The MAC is worried about their decision setting recruiting back "years" if they sit out as a conference. Imagine how much more it would hurt if one was the only team doing so.