(08-27-2020 09:14 AM)GeorgeBorkFan Wrote:  

(08-27-2020 08:26 AM)BobL Wrote:  

(08-26-2020 11:13 PM)GeorgeBorkFan Wrote:  

(08-26-2020 05:41 PM)BobL Wrote:  It is...no question.

As for JB, Illinois has handled this very well IMO.

JB's crushed the economy in this state with the overly restrictive shutdown. Things were shutdown to bend down the curve. The curve bent. The curve has stayed bent. The curve is in no danger of being unbent. But he's too stupid to figure out step B.

He screwed up big time by shutting down schools in the spring. He had no step B there either. He basically wrote the argument for the teachers' unions to keep schools closed in the fall.

His admin oversees nursing homes. For over three months, no one was investigating problems in the nursing homes. Again, the head of the Department of Public Health still has her job.

JB was so worried about shutting things down that he had Illinois contractors going to Wisconsin to work on his horse farm. His horse farm.

He's a buffoon. Rauner got beat up over the issues with the vet homes. The COVID/nursing home stuff is many times worse.

Capitalism at all costs...economy over health...you are absolutely wrong.

Red herring. And, you didn't rebut any of the above. JB has no plan and no idea what to do beyond shut it down.

The curve is bent, essentially broken. Why is he still restricting business?

The economy is how people pay their mortgage and buy food, ie survive.

BobL Wrote:Let me also say had we had leadership out of the White House from the beginning the shut down may not have been required....take off those Trump blinders...jeez

Let me say that your city/village health department and the feeble state health department had more impact on this situation than the feds. Those are the boots on the ground organizations. For example, if the state didn't have enough backup PPE, that is on JB. Nobody else.

I have no interest in defending anything about Trump. You guys are too blinded by your cheeto hate to honestly evaluate the situation.

I'm sure some mistakes were made by people who actually tried to deal with the problem. At least they were working on it instead of pretending there was no problem. And they would have been helped if we had tests, which Trump did almost nothing to help with - so states were bidding against each other to get PPE. Talk about a waste of money.

(08-27-2020 09:09 AM)GeorgeBorkFan Wrote:  

(08-27-2020 08:25 AM)BobL Wrote:  

(08-26-2020 11:04 PM)GeorgeBorkFan Wrote:  

(08-26-2020 05:47 PM)BobL Wrote:  Forget the political sh!t, Trump ought to have set a national precedent for wearing masks and controlled reopening, its that simple. He bungled this..big time.

Its funny, it was not that long ago that stores had the "No Shirt, No Shoes, No Service" signs, mandating a mask in no different.

It is fine if the states mandate masks, while following their own emergency powers acts. It was never the place of the federal government to mandate it. Nor should the feds control closings or reopenings.

where did i say mandate....please? I said set the precedent, The CDC put out guidelines which he all but ignored. he should have been wearing a mask from the get go...lead by example, he should have endorsed mask wearing before f'n July. He should have endorsed the CDC economy reopening guidelines rather than endorsing the states that went against them(FL, AZ). I could go on...Its called leadership and he failed.

How does Trump set a precendent for masks and reopening?

The governors had way more impact on how this situation was handled than the federal government. This thing either works or doesn't due to their direction.

And, I'm not defending Trump. I'm pointing out where the ability to make a difference really lay.

How does Trump set a precendent for masks and reopening? Read what I wrote....i say exactly

The governors had way more impact on how this situation was handled than the federal government. This thing either works or doesn't due to their direction. Again read what I wrote, Ill bold and italicize it for you...

And, I'm not defending Trump. I'm pointing out where the ability to make a difference really lay. But you are....

(08-27-2020 09:14 AM)GeorgeBorkFan Wrote:  

(08-27-2020 08:26 AM)BobL Wrote:  

(08-26-2020 11:13 PM)GeorgeBorkFan Wrote:  

(08-26-2020 05:41 PM)BobL Wrote:  It is...no question.

As for JB, Illinois has handled this very well IMO.

JB's crushed the economy in this state with the overly restrictive shutdown. Things were shutdown to bend down the curve. The curve bent. The curve has stayed bent. The curve is in no danger of being unbent. But he's too stupid to figure out step B.

He screwed up big time by shutting down schools in the spring. He had no step B there either. He basically wrote the argument for the teachers' unions to keep schools closed in the fall.

His admin oversees nursing homes. For over three months, no one was investigating problems in the nursing homes. Again, the head of the Department of Public Health still has her job.

JB was so worried about shutting things down that he had Illinois contractors going to Wisconsin to work on his horse farm. His horse farm.

He's a buffoon. Rauner got beat up over the issues with the vet homes. The COVID/nursing home stuff is many times worse.

Capitalism at all costs...economy over health...you are absolutely wrong.

Red herring. And, you didn't rebut any of the above. JB has no plan and no idea what to do beyond shut it down.

The curve is bent, essentially broken. Why is he still restricting business?

The economy is how people pay their mortgage and buy food, ie survive.

BobL Wrote:Let me also say had we had leadership out of the White House from the beginning the shut down may not have been required....take off those Trump blinders...jeez

Let me say that your city/village health department and the feeble state health department had more impact on this situation than the feds. Those are the boots on the ground organizations. For example, if the state didn't have enough backup PPE, that is on JB. Nobody else.

I have no interest in defending anything about Trump. You guys are too blinded by your cheeto hate to honestly evaluate the situation.

Trump and Cheetos are great comparison...
Ever read the nutrition facts on Cheetos....the percentages listed only add up to 46%...whats the other 54% composed of...

(08-27-2020 10:28 AM)BobL Wrote:  

(08-27-2020 09:09 AM)GeorgeBorkFan Wrote:  

(08-27-2020 08:25 AM)BobL Wrote:  

(08-26-2020 11:04 PM)GeorgeBorkFan Wrote:  

(08-26-2020 05:47 PM)BobL Wrote:  Forget the political sh!t, Trump ought to have set a national precedent for wearing masks and controlled reopening, its that simple. He bungled this..big time.

Its funny, it was not that long ago that stores had the "No Shirt, No Shoes, No Service" signs, mandating a mask in no different.

It is fine if the states mandate masks, while following their own emergency powers acts. It was never the place of the federal government to mandate it. Nor should the feds control closings or reopenings.

where did i say mandate....please? I said set the precedent, The CDC put out guidelines which he all but ignored. he should have been wearing a mask from the get go...lead by example, he should have endorsed mask wearing before f'n July. He should have endorsed the CDC economy reopening guidelines rather than endorsing the states that went against them(FL, AZ). I could go on...Its called leadership and he failed.

How does Trump set a precendent for masks and reopening?

The governors had way more impact on how this situation was handled than the federal government. This thing either works or doesn't due to their direction.

And, I'm not defending Trump. I'm pointing out where the ability to make a difference really lay.

How does Trump set a precendent for masks and reopening? Read what I wrote....i say exactly

The governors had way more impact on how this situation was handled than the federal government. This thing either works or doesn't due to their direction. Again read what I wrote, Ill bold and italicize it for you...

And, I'm not defending Trump. I'm pointing out where the ability to make a difference really lay. But you are....

The CDC advises, not mandates. The states DO.

I'll say this slowly for you. I'm not defending Trump. I'm pointing out that the governors had more impact on this that Trump did/does.

(08-27-2020 10:10 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  I'm sure some mistakes were made by people who actually tried to deal with the problem. At least they were working on it instead of pretending there was no problem. And they would have been helped if we had tests, which Trump did almost nothing to help with - so states were bidding against each other to get PPE. Talk about a waste of money.

At least they tried hard. Participation trophy for Cuomo, Whitmer and JB!

Why did the states not already have adequate PPE? That is a state responsibility.

When you say "I'm sure there were some mistakes...." it appears you haven't given the governors anywhere near the thought you've given Trump.

(08-27-2020 11:07 AM)GeorgeBorkFan Wrote:  

(08-27-2020 10:28 AM)BobL Wrote:  

(08-27-2020 09:09 AM)GeorgeBorkFan Wrote:  

(08-27-2020 08:25 AM)BobL Wrote:  

(08-26-2020 11:04 PM)GeorgeBorkFan Wrote:  It is fine if the states mandate masks, while following their own emergency powers acts. It was never the place of the federal government to mandate it. Nor should the feds control closings or reopenings.

where did i say mandate....please? I said set the precedent, The CDC put out guidelines which he all but ignored. he should have been wearing a mask from the get go...lead by example, he should have endorsed mask wearing before f'n July. He should have endorsed the CDC economy reopening guidelines rather than endorsing the states that went against them(FL, AZ). I could go on...Its called leadership and he failed.

How does Trump set a precendent for masks and reopening?

The governors had way more impact on how this situation was handled than the federal government. This thing either works or doesn't due to their direction.

And, I'm not defending Trump. I'm pointing out where the ability to make a difference really lay.

How does Trump set a precendent for masks and reopening? Read what I wrote....i say exactly

The governors had way more impact on how this situation was handled than the federal government. This thing either works or doesn't due to their direction. Again read what I wrote, Ill bold and italicize it for you...

And, I'm not defending Trump. I'm pointing out where the ability to make a difference really lay. But you are....

The CDC advises, not mandates. The states DO.

I'll say this slowly for you. I'm not defending Trump. I'm pointing out that the governors had more impact on this that Trump did/does.

Reading is fundamental...go word by word, slowly......where did I say Mandate? I did say CDC Guidelines..I did say Trump should have endorsed states that followed them...never did I say mandate...

(08-27-2020 11:51 AM)BobL Wrote:  

(08-27-2020 11:07 AM)GeorgeBorkFan Wrote:  

(08-27-2020 10:28 AM)BobL Wrote:  

(08-27-2020 09:09 AM)GeorgeBorkFan Wrote:  

(08-27-2020 08:25 AM)BobL Wrote:  where did i say mandate....please? I said set the precedent, The CDC put out guidelines which he all but ignored. he should have been wearing a mask from the get go...lead by example, he should have endorsed mask wearing before f'n July. He should have endorsed the CDC economy reopening guidelines rather than endorsing the states that went against them(FL, AZ). I could go on...Its called leadership and he failed.

How does Trump set a precendent for masks and reopening?

The governors had way more impact on how this situation was handled than the federal government. This thing either works or doesn't due to their direction.

And, I'm not defending Trump. I'm pointing out where the ability to make a difference really lay.

How does Trump set a precendent for masks and reopening? Read what I wrote....i say exactly

The governors had way more impact on how this situation was handled than the federal government. This thing either works or doesn't due to their direction. Again read what I wrote, Ill bold and italicize it for you...

And, I'm not defending Trump. I'm pointing out where the ability to make a difference really lay. But you are....

The CDC advises, not mandates. The states DO.

I'll say this slowly for you. I'm not defending Trump. I'm pointing out that the governors had more impact on this that Trump did/does.

Reading is fundamental...go word by word, slowly......where did I say Mandate? I did say CDC Guidelines..I did say Trump should have endorsed states that followed them...never did I say mandate...

So Trump should have endorsed a recommendation. Huh. I can see how that is much more impactful than the governors actually doing stuff. Or doing the wrong stuff. Talk about mental mastur....

(08-27-2020 11:10 AM)GeorgeBorkFan Wrote:  

(08-27-2020 10:10 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  I'm sure some mistakes were made by people who actually tried to deal with the problem. At least they were working on it instead of pretending there was no problem. And they would have been helped if we had tests, which Trump did almost nothing to help with - so states were bidding against each other to get PPE. Talk about a waste of money.

At least they tried hard. Participation trophy for Cuomo, Whitmer and JB!

Why did the states not already have adequate PPE? That is a state responsibility.

When you say "I'm sure there were some mistakes...." it appears you haven't given the governors anywhere near the thought you've given Trump.

Trump's mistakes are obvious to the most casual observer.

(08-27-2020 02:22 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(08-27-2020 11:10 AM)GeorgeBorkFan Wrote:  

(08-27-2020 10:10 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  I'm sure some mistakes were made by people who actually tried to deal with the problem. At least they were working on it instead of pretending there was no problem. And they would have been helped if we had tests, which Trump did almost nothing to help with - so states were bidding against each other to get PPE. Talk about a waste of money.

At least they tried hard. Participation trophy for Cuomo, Whitmer and JB!

Why did the states not already have adequate PPE? That is a state responsibility.

When you say "I'm sure there were some mistakes...." it appears you haven't given the governors anywhere near the thought you've given Trump.

Trump's mistakes are obvious to the most casual observer.

Looks like Comey is going to be the fall guy.

(08-27-2020 02:22 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(08-27-2020 11:10 AM)GeorgeBorkFan Wrote:  

(08-27-2020 10:10 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  I'm sure some mistakes were made by people who actually tried to deal with the problem. At least they were working on it instead of pretending there was no problem. And they would have been helped if we had tests, which Trump did almost nothing to help with - so states were bidding against each other to get PPE. Talk about a waste of money.

At least they tried hard. Participation trophy for Cuomo, Whitmer and JB!

Why did the states not already have adequate PPE? That is a state responsibility.

When you say "I'm sure there were some mistakes...." it appears you haven't given the governors anywhere near the thought you've given Trump.

Trump's mistakes are obvious to the most casual observer.

One trick pony.

(08-27-2020 03:10 PM)GeorgeBorkFan Wrote:  

(08-27-2020 02:22 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(08-27-2020 11:10 AM)GeorgeBorkFan Wrote:  

(08-27-2020 10:10 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  I'm sure some mistakes were made by people who actually tried to deal with the problem. At least they were working on it instead of pretending there was no problem. And they would have been helped if we had tests, which Trump did almost nothing to help with - so states were bidding against each other to get PPE. Talk about a waste of money.

At least they tried hard. Participation trophy for Cuomo, Whitmer and JB!

Why did the states not already have adequate PPE? That is a state responsibility.

When you say "I'm sure there were some mistakes...." it appears you haven't given the governors anywhere near the thought you've given Trump.

Trump's mistakes are obvious to the most casual observer.

One trick pony.

He sure is.

(08-27-2020 10:33 AM)BobL Wrote:  

(08-27-2020 09:14 AM)GeorgeBorkFan Wrote:  

(08-27-2020 08:26 AM)BobL Wrote:  

(08-26-2020 11:13 PM)GeorgeBorkFan Wrote:  

(08-26-2020 05:41 PM)BobL Wrote:  It is...no question.

As for JB, Illinois has handled this very well IMO.

JB's crushed the economy in this state with the overly restrictive shutdown. Things were shutdown to bend down the curve. The curve bent. The curve has stayed bent. The curve is in no danger of being unbent. But he's too stupid to figure out step B.

He screwed up big time by shutting down schools in the spring. He had no step B there either. He basically wrote the argument for the teachers' unions to keep schools closed in the fall.

His admin oversees nursing homes. For over three months, no one was investigating problems in the nursing homes. Again, the head of the Department of Public Health still has her job.

JB was so worried about shutting things down that he had Illinois contractors going to Wisconsin to work on his horse farm. His horse farm.

He's a buffoon. Rauner got beat up over the issues with the vet homes. The COVID/nursing home stuff is many times worse.

Capitalism at all costs...economy over health...you are absolutely wrong.

Red herring. And, you didn't rebut any of the above. JB has no plan and no idea what to do beyond shut it down.

The curve is bent, essentially broken. Why is he still restricting business?

The economy is how people pay their mortgage and buy food, ie survive.

BobL Wrote:Let me also say had we had leadership out of the White House from the beginning the shut down may not have been required....take off those Trump blinders...jeez

Let me say that your city/village health department and the feeble state health department had more impact on this situation than the feds. Those are the boots on the ground organizations. For example, if the state didn't have enough backup PPE, that is on JB. Nobody else.

I have no interest in defending anything about Trump. You guys are too blinded by your cheeto hate to honestly evaluate the situation.

Trump and Cheetos are great comparison...
Ever read the nutrition facts on Cheetos....the percentages listed only add up to 46%...whats the other 54% composed of...

The percentages on nutrition facts are percentages of the recommended daily nutritional guidelines, not percentages of composition of what cheetos are.

(08-28-2020 07:29 AM)niusfactuary Wrote:  

(08-27-2020 10:33 AM)BobL Wrote:  

(08-27-2020 09:14 AM)GeorgeBorkFan Wrote:  

(08-27-2020 08:26 AM)BobL Wrote:  

(08-26-2020 11:13 PM)GeorgeBorkFan Wrote:  JB's crushed the economy in this state with the overly restrictive shutdown. Things were shutdown to bend down the curve. The curve bent. The curve has stayed bent. The curve is in no danger of being unbent. But he's too stupid to figure out step B.

He screwed up big time by shutting down schools in the spring. He had no step B there either. He basically wrote the argument for the teachers' unions to keep schools closed in the fall.

His admin oversees nursing homes. For over three months, no one was investigating problems in the nursing homes. Again, the head of the Department of Public Health still has her job.

JB was so worried about shutting things down that he had Illinois contractors going to Wisconsin to work on his horse farm. His horse farm.

He's a buffoon. Rauner got beat up over the issues with the vet homes. The COVID/nursing home stuff is many times worse.

Capitalism at all costs...economy over health...you are absolutely wrong.

Red herring. And, you didn't rebut any of the above. JB has no plan and no idea what to do beyond shut it down.

The curve is bent, essentially broken. Why is he still restricting business?

The economy is how people pay their mortgage and buy food, ie survive.

BobL Wrote:Let me also say had we had leadership out of the White House from the beginning the shut down may not have been required....take off those Trump blinders...jeez

Let me say that your city/village health department and the feeble state health department had more impact on this situation than the feds. Those are the boots on the ground organizations. For example, if the state didn't have enough backup PPE, that is on JB. Nobody else.

I have no interest in defending anything about Trump. You guys are too blinded by your cheeto hate to honestly evaluate the situation.

Trump and Cheetos are great comparison...
Ever read the nutrition facts on Cheetos....the percentages listed only add up to 46%...whats the other 54% composed of...

The percentages on nutrition facts are percentages of the recommended daily nutritional guidelines, not percentages of composition of what cheetos are.

Crunchy or Puffs?

You guys are making me want Cheetos now.

(08-27-2020 03:10 PM)GeorgeBorkFan Wrote:  

(08-27-2020 02:22 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(08-27-2020 11:10 AM)GeorgeBorkFan Wrote:  

(08-27-2020 10:10 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  I'm sure some mistakes were made by people who actually tried to deal with the problem. At least they were working on it instead of pretending there was no problem. And they would have been helped if we had tests, which Trump did almost nothing to help with - so states were bidding against each other to get PPE. Talk about a waste of money.

At least they tried hard. Participation trophy for Cuomo, Whitmer and JB!

Why did the states not already have adequate PPE? That is a state responsibility.

When you say "I'm sure there were some mistakes...." it appears you haven't given the governors anywhere near the thought you've given Trump.

Trump's mistakes are obvious to the most casual observer.

One trick pony.

Just nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize.

(09-09-2020 07:10 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(08-27-2020 03:10 PM)GeorgeBorkFan Wrote:  

(08-27-2020 02:22 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(08-27-2020 11:10 AM)GeorgeBorkFan Wrote:  

(08-27-2020 10:10 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  I'm sure some mistakes were made by people who actually tried to deal with the problem. At least they were working on it instead of pretending there was no problem. And they would have been helped if we had tests, which Trump did almost nothing to help with - so states were bidding against each other to get PPE. Talk about a waste of money.

At least they tried hard. Participation trophy for Cuomo, Whitmer and JB!

Why did the states not already have adequate PPE? That is a state responsibility.

When you say "I'm sure there were some mistakes...." it appears you haven't given the governors anywhere near the thought you've given Trump.

Trump's mistakes are obvious to the most casual observer.

One trick pony.

Just nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize.

By whom, Pence?

(09-09-2020 07:17 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(09-09-2020 07:10 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(08-27-2020 03:10 PM)GeorgeBorkFan Wrote:  

(08-27-2020 02:22 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(08-27-2020 11:10 AM)GeorgeBorkFan Wrote:  At least they tried hard. Participation trophy for Cuomo, Whitmer and JB!

Why did the states not already have adequate PPE? That is a state responsibility.

When you say "I'm sure there were some mistakes...." it appears you haven't given the governors anywhere near the thought you've given Trump.

Trump's mistakes are obvious to the most casual observer.

One trick pony.

Just nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize.

By whom, Pence?

Chairman of the NATO Parliamentary Assembly and
Norwegian Parliament member, Christian Tybring-Gjedde.

(09-09-2020 07:53 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(09-09-2020 07:17 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(09-09-2020 07:10 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(08-27-2020 03:10 PM)GeorgeBorkFan Wrote:  

(08-27-2020 02:22 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  Trump's mistakes are obvious to the most casual observer.

One trick pony.

Just nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize.

By whom, Pence?

Chairman of the NATO Parliamentary Assembly and
Norwegian Parliament member, Christian Tybring-Gjedde.

Obama already has one.

(09-09-2020 07:53 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(09-09-2020 07:17 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(09-09-2020 07:10 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(08-27-2020 03:10 PM)GeorgeBorkFan Wrote:  

(08-27-2020 02:22 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  Trump's mistakes are obvious to the most casual observer.

One trick pony.

Just nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize.

By whom, Pence?

Chairman of the NATO Parliamentary Assembly and
Norwegian Parliament member, Christian Tybring-Gjedde.

If we wins Ill be on the first transport to Mars.

(09-09-2020 07:53 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(09-09-2020 07:17 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(09-09-2020 07:10 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(08-27-2020 03:10 PM)GeorgeBorkFan Wrote:  

(08-27-2020 02:22 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  Trump's mistakes are obvious to the most casual observer.

One trick pony.

Just nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize.

By whom, Pence?

Chairman of the NATO Parliamentary Assembly and
Norwegian Parliament member, Christian Tybring-Gjedde.

A right wing politician (educated in the US)....and former member of the Norwegian NATO delegation...in 2006 he nominated Ayaan Hirsi Ali for the Nobel Peace Prize...