Those 3 conferences will come out of this as winners

If they get a bunch of cases and players start dying they'll come out as losers.

Meanwhile the Midwest/West athletes continue to practice and train for the NFL.

This a high wire act. The MLB is better organized and funded with smaller rosters and they've had serious problems...so this is not without serious risk (assuming they actually play).

(08-12-2020 07:38 PM)PusherT Wrote:  Those 3 conferences will come out of this as winners

So you don't think that the AAC is winning? Power status atleast for a season, its champ making it to the playoffs (something that was basically impossible until now) a chance to showcase itself to the nation in some of the absolute prime TV windows. ALL of that was a nearly impossible pipe dream until this week.Where is the lose?

(08-12-2020 08:00 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  If they get a bunch of cases and players start dying they'll come out as losers.

Meanwhile the Midwest/West athletes continue to practice and train for the NFL.

There's been 242 deaths from people 15 to 24.

That's 0.00162 of all deaths.

There have been 340 pneumonia deaths since 2/1/20 for people in the same age group.

(08-12-2020 08:16 PM)MUsince96 Wrote:  

(08-12-2020 08:00 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  If they get a bunch of cases and players start dying they'll come out as losers.

Meanwhile the Midwest/West athletes continue to practice and train for the NFL.

There's been 242 deaths from people 15 to 24.

That's 0.00162 of all deaths.

There have been 340 pneumonia deaths since 2/1/20 for people in the same age group.

Yes, and truth be told, probably the good bulk of those had a serious underlying condition like diabetes or asthma.

A B1G football player is far more likely to have a serious injury on the football field than a serious covid-related outcome.

(08-12-2020 08:19 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-12-2020 08:16 PM)MUsince96 Wrote:  

(08-12-2020 08:00 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  If they get a bunch of cases and players start dying they'll come out as losers.

Meanwhile the Midwest/West athletes continue to practice and train for the NFL.

There's been 242 deaths from people 15 to 24.

That's 0.00162 of all deaths.

There have been 340 pneumonia deaths since 2/1/20 for people in the same age group.

Yes, and truth be told, probably the good bulk of those had a serious underlying condition like diabetes or asthma.

A B1G football player is far more likely to have a serious injury on the football field than a serious covid-related outcome.

Don't get me wrong, I totally support playing this fall. However in young people, the most common denominator of who we see in the unit is obesity. I guess the linemen technically can fall in this category.

(08-12-2020 07:38 PM)PusherT Wrote:  Those 3 conferences will come out of this as winners

IF ... they can pull this season off.

If they try, and have to shut it down, they're slightly ahead of the Big Ten.

If they have to shut it down before it even gets started, then it's a wash.


(The PAC is so isolated that they're really kinda irrelevant -- but the Big Ten shares geography, and recruiting grounds with the other 3, so they're at risk for falling behind for sure).

(08-12-2020 08:26 PM)otown Wrote:  

(08-12-2020 08:19 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-12-2020 08:16 PM)MUsince96 Wrote:  

(08-12-2020 08:00 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  If they get a bunch of cases and players start dying they'll come out as losers.

Meanwhile the Midwest/West athletes continue to practice and train for the NFL.

There's been 242 deaths from people 15 to 24.

That's 0.00162 of all deaths.

There have been 340 pneumonia deaths since 2/1/20 for people in the same age group.

Yes, and truth be told, probably the good bulk of those had a serious underlying condition like diabetes or asthma.

A B1G football player is far more likely to have a serious injury on the football field than a serious covid-related outcome.

Don't get me wrong, I totally support playing this fall. However in young people, the most common denominator of who we see in the unit is obesity. I guess the linemen technically can fall in this category.

Theres alot of fat linemen.

(08-12-2020 10:51 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  

(08-12-2020 08:26 PM)otown Wrote:  

(08-12-2020 08:19 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-12-2020 08:16 PM)MUsince96 Wrote:  

(08-12-2020 08:00 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  If they get a bunch of cases and players start dying they'll come out as losers.

Meanwhile the Midwest/West athletes continue to practice and train for the NFL.

There's been 242 deaths from people 15 to 24.

That's 0.00162 of all deaths.

There have been 340 pneumonia deaths since 2/1/20 for people in the same age group.

Yes, and truth be told, probably the good bulk of those had a serious underlying condition like diabetes or asthma.

A B1G football player is far more likely to have a serious injury on the football field than a serious covid-related outcome.

Don't get me wrong, I totally support playing this fall. However in young people, the most common denominator of who we see in the unit is obesity. I guess the linemen technically can fall in this category.

Theres alot of fat linemen.

Linemen are not your standard over-weight couch potatoes.

The Big Ten is not a loser in all this. And if Nebraska wants to go, I think there's a certain faction that will be glad to see them go.

(08-12-2020 08:16 PM)MUsince96 Wrote:  

(08-12-2020 08:00 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  If they get a bunch of cases and players start dying they'll come out as losers.

Meanwhile the Midwest/West athletes continue to practice and train for the NFL.

There's been 242 deaths from people 15 to 24.

That's 0.00162 of all deaths.

There have been 340 pneumonia deaths since 2/1/20 for people in the same age group.

College presidents, and others, appear to be concerned about long term heart damage to those who survive COVID-19. Given that we are only 8 months in, I don’t think there are going to be relevant stats on the number of heart issues in survivors in the 15-24 age group.

They are all also probably worried about fans in the stadium and realize that the economics don’t work without significant numbers of fans in attendance.

(08-12-2020 08:28 PM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  

(08-12-2020 07:38 PM)PusherT Wrote:  Those 3 conferences will come out of this as winners

IF ... they can pull this season off.

If they try, and have to shut it down, they're slightly ahead of the Big Ten.

If they have to shut it down before it even gets started, then it's a wash.


(The PAC is so isolated that they're really kinda irrelevant -- but the Big Ten shares geography, and recruiting grounds with the other 3, so they're at risk for falling behind for sure).

This is all true.

But...if for some reason the situation is improved by spring, and the B1G/Pac can play games to full capacity, their financial hit will not be nearly as severe. However, I can't see anyone playing a full 12 game schedule in the spring. They have to balance two seasons in one calendar year.

There would be worse things than watching Ohio State play Michigan in May.

It's definitely high risk/high reward for SEC, ACC, and Big 12. Could come out of this looking great. But could come out of this looking horrible.

You are right that those 3 will forever be separated. What we do not know is which way the separation is going to favor.

(08-12-2020 08:00 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  If they get a bunch of cases and players start dying they'll come out as losers.

Meanwhile the Midwest/West athletes continue to practice and train for the NFL.

Ok, how about we close this thread with this comment: every conference is going to come out of this a winner. The Big Ten and the PAC 12 presidents are trying to show compassion for their student athletes by not forcing them to play, and they are true to their convictions. The SEC, the ACC, and the Big 12 are giving their athletes the freedom to play, at least for the time being.

The last time we went through something like this was back during World War I, and I imagine very few people here in the USA are still alive from that era, so therefore, we have little to go on as far as what to do, what not to do. I'm saddened by the decisions by the Big Ten and PAC 12, but I won't hold it against it them because these are very uncertain times.

(08-12-2020 11:51 PM)pkptigers07 Wrote:  

(08-12-2020 08:16 PM)MUsince96 Wrote:  

(08-12-2020 08:00 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  If they get a bunch of cases and players start dying they'll come out as losers.

Meanwhile the Midwest/West athletes continue to practice and train for the NFL.

There's been 242 deaths from people 15 to 24.

That's 0.00162 of all deaths.

There have been 340 pneumonia deaths since 2/1/20 for people in the same age group.

College presidents, and others, appear to be concerned about long term heart damage to those who survive COVID-19. Given that we are only 8 months in, I don’t think there are going to be relevant stats on the number of heart issues in survivors in the 15-24 age group.

They are all also probably worried about fans in the stadium and realize that the economics don’t work without significant numbers of fans in attendance.

He talked about death. I answered the likelihood of death.

But yes I understand this is a liability and financial decision.

Spring football will never happen Covid or no Covid. It’s a logistical nightmare. The premier players wouldn’t be on the field. They’ll opt out for the draft.

We are starting to see this already happening at the high school level. Recruits, that are already committed, from states that have already pushed high school football back to the spring. The top players are all opting out. Those that can are planning to enroll in college in January.

I hope the leagues pushing for spring football can. Football year round is already with me. I just don’t see it feasible.

(08-12-2020 11:51 PM)pkptigers07 Wrote:  College presidents, and others, appear to be concerned about long term heart damage to those who survive COVID-19.

But .... these people are supposed to be on the "side of Science", and yet the stories about "long term heart disease" among college-age kids are at this point anecdotal, not backed up by studies.

Weird.

(08-13-2020 06:03 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  Spring football will never happen Covid or no Covid. It’s a logistical nightmare.

Yes, the "postponed until Spring" thing is just a gutless way of saying you've canceled football. Because that's not happening.

(08-12-2020 11:04 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(08-12-2020 10:51 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  

(08-12-2020 08:26 PM)otown Wrote:  

(08-12-2020 08:19 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-12-2020 08:16 PM)MUsince96 Wrote:  There's been 242 deaths from people 15 to 24.

That's 0.00162 of all deaths.

There have been 340 pneumonia deaths since 2/1/20 for people in the same age group.

Yes, and truth be told, probably the good bulk of those had a serious underlying condition like diabetes or asthma.

A B1G football player is far more likely to have a serious injury on the football field than a serious covid-related outcome.

Don't get me wrong, I totally support playing this fall. However in young people, the most common denominator of who we see in the unit is obesity. I guess the linemen technically can fall in this category.

Theres alot of fat linemen.

Linemen are not your standard over-weight couch potatoes.

True, they are more like Sumo Wrestler's on steroids. They are powerful and fast, in short bursts.