There are no winners. Waiting is fine. Ultimately, I think the AAC, ACC, SEC, and Big XII will cancel, too.

(08-13-2020 11:48 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(08-12-2020 11:04 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(08-12-2020 10:51 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  

(08-12-2020 08:26 PM)otown Wrote:  

(08-12-2020 08:19 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Yes, and truth be told, probably the good bulk of those had a serious underlying condition like diabetes or asthma.

A B1G football player is far more likely to have a serious injury on the football field than a serious covid-related outcome.

Don't get me wrong, I totally support playing this fall. However in young people, the most common denominator of who we see in the unit is obesity. I guess the linemen technically can fall in this category.

Theres alot of fat linemen.

Linemen are not your standard over-weight couch potatoes.

True, they are more like Sumo Wrestler's on steroids. The are powerful and fast, in short bursts.

E Honda (Street Fighter reference) on steroids. Thanks for that picture JR

(08-12-2020 08:16 PM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  

(08-12-2020 07:38 PM)PusherT Wrote:  Those 3 conferences will come out of this as winners

So you don't think that the AAC is winning? Power status at least for a season, its champ making it to the playoffs (something that was basically impossible until now) a chance to showcase itself to the nation in some of the absolute prime TV windows. ALL of that was a nearly impossible pipe dream until this week.Where is the lose?

Other than the AAC itself, who is making that claim? Has anyone made an announcement about whether there will be a postseason? Nothing that happens this year will have any impact on future seasons. This is a one-off event.

(08-12-2020 07:38 PM)PusherT Wrote:  Those 3 conferences will come out of this as winners

It's 99% political. Look at who's involved in Big Ten and especially the PAC 12. Oregon, Washington, California are basically rogue states at this point.

(08-12-2020 07:38 PM)PusherT Wrote:  Those 3 conferences will come out of this as winners

Well---those conferences certainly win for the next two years. The ACC, SEC, and Big12 will be able to play a full 12 game season in 2021-2022. The conferences playing in the Spring (assuming they actually play--which I seriously doubt), will have to play a severely reduced Fall 2021 schedules due to player wear and tear. The Spring playing teams will also likely have fewer players available for duty due to lingering spring injuries.

(08-13-2020 12:41 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-12-2020 07:38 PM)PusherT Wrote:  Those 3 conferences will come out of this as winners

Well---those conferences certainly win for the next two years. The ACC, SEC, and Big12 will be able to play a full 12 game season in 2021-2022. The conferences playing in the Spring (assuming they actually play--which I seriously doubt), will have to play a severely reduced Fall 2021 schedules due to player wear and tear. The Spring playing teams will also likely have fewer players available for duty due to lingering spring injuries.

There's another reason Spring Play is pure BS. Are they really going to compete with time and exposure for basketball by playing football at relatively the same time? No.

(08-13-2020 01:22 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(08-13-2020 12:41 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-12-2020 07:38 PM)PusherT Wrote:  Those 3 conferences will come out of this as winners

Well---those conferences certainly win for the next two years. The ACC, SEC, and Big12 will be able to play a full 12 game season in 2021-2022. The conferences playing in the Spring (assuming they actually play--which I seriously doubt), will have to play a severely reduced Fall 2021 schedules due to player wear and tear. The Spring playing teams will also likely have fewer players available for duty due to lingering spring injuries.

There's another reason Spring Play is pure BS. Are they really going to compete with time and exposure for basketball by playing football at relatively the same time? No.

Yes I think it would be complicated too. Complete BS? I'm not willing to go that far, this has been one hell of a ride the past ~6 months, anything is possible at this point.

(08-12-2020 07:38 PM)PusherT Wrote:  Those 3 conferences will come out of this as winners

Where have these three conferences said they will definitely be playing in 2020?

(08-12-2020 11:06 PM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  The Big Ten is not a loser in all this. And if Nebraska wants to go, I think there's a certain faction that will be glad to see them go.

It would be better for them to part now, blame it on the virus and have an amicable separation.

Nebraska is not going to leave the B10. The $$ difference is huge between the 2 conferences.

FSU providing the example of the risks in playing:

Florida State has refused to release testing numbers since players returned to campus in June. While many larger schools, including Clemson, Michigan and Oklahoma, have offered aggregate testing numbers, FSU has not announced any data.

According to sources close to the situation, the concerns reached a boiling point on Tuesday, when Florida State athletic director David Coburn said during a roundtable discussion with Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis that the school was doing weekly testing. In fact, the school has not tested that often throughout the summer, and the testing results largely have been kept private -- even from players. Sources said some players have been tested just three or four times since returning to campus.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/st...oronavirus

Going forward with a season in a pandemic cuts both ways and if you run a program where players don't trust the administration, things can get ugly quick.

(08-13-2020 01:22 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(08-13-2020 12:41 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-12-2020 07:38 PM)PusherT Wrote:  Those 3 conferences will come out of this as winners

Well---those conferences certainly win for the next two years. The ACC, SEC, and Big12 will be able to play a full 12 game season in 2021-2022. The conferences playing in the Spring (assuming they actually play--which I seriously doubt), will have to play a severely reduced Fall 2021 schedules due to player wear and tear. The Spring playing teams will also likely have fewer players available for duty due to lingering spring injuries.

There's another reason Spring Play is pure BS. Are they really going to compete with time and exposure for basketball by playing football at relatively the same time? No.

Yup---and dont forget ESPN already has existing spring commitments for NBA, MLB, and--college basketball. Id also add, I wouldnt expect the conferences that played in the fall are going to want to cut their contractual basketball coverage just so the schools that opted out can have extra football windows. Thus, the Pac-12 and Big-10 will be using a lot of Big-10/Pac-12 Network slots and using ESPN+ for whats left.

What makes me laugh the most is the same people that say we cant add 1 extra game to the playoff because its too dangerous to have two teams playing ONE EXTRA game---are now suggesting adding 6 to 8 games to the 1 year total of games played by EVERY team in their conferences....and thats before considering any post season play.

The real risk is a few good lawyers and bad press. Believe there will be a few highly motivated lawyers chomping at the bit.

While the players may come out fine, if they are not in a bubble, look out to the ones they infect. Lawyers go after the ones with the money. It will happen if all goes as those three conferences plan. The Sunbelt will try to reflect to the SEC but they are vulnerable as well as CUSA universities to potential law suits.

(08-13-2020 02:59 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  What makes me laugh the most is the same people that say we cant add 1 extra game to the playoff because its too dangerous to have two teams playing ONE EXTRA game---are now suggesting adding 6 to 8 games to the 1 year total of games played by EVERY team in their conferences....and thats before considering any post season play.

Yes, that is hilarious. If they are to be believed **, the B1G and PAC plan on playing about 21 games during 2021, Spring and Fall together. That's crazy.


** Which I do not, i believe "postponed to Spring" is a gutless way of saying football for this year is canceled. I don't expect any of the conferences that canceled this fall to actually play in the Spring, especially not the two P5. Maybe some nitzy D2 or D3 conference will and nobody will even know.

(08-13-2020 12:02 PM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote:  

(08-12-2020 07:38 PM)PusherT Wrote:  Those 3 conferences will come out of this as winners

It's 99% political. Look at who's involved in Big Ten and especially the PAC 12. Oregon, Washington, California are basically rogue states at this point.

No it's not partisan politics.

It's culture, underlying state law, and power.

(08-13-2020 05:29 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-13-2020 02:59 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  What makes me laugh the most is the same people that say we cant add 1 extra game to the playoff because its too dangerous to have two teams playing ONE EXTRA game---are now suggesting adding 6 to 8 games to the 1 year total of games played by EVERY team in their conferences....and thats before considering any post season play.

Yes, that is hilarious. If they are to be believed **, the B1G and PAC plan on playing about 21 games during 2021, Spring and Fall together. That's crazy.


** Which I do not, i believe "postponed to Spring" is a gutless way of saying football for this year is canceled. I don't expect any of the conferences that canceled this fall to actually play in the Spring, especially not the two P5. Maybe some nitzy D2 or D3 conference will and nobody will even know.

The Big knows that it's best schools can not compete on the field with the best of the SEC, ACC, and B12. Because of that they seek solutions to things that minimize their exposure of nakedness. Fewer ooc games, and fewer playoff games favor their overall chances and favor what they seek to retain - control over college football. Culture, demographics, and time are not on their side and they make 50 year decisions. All of this is totally logical if you are Michigan or Wisconsin.

You duck a season where Clemson or Alabama beats the hell out of your playoff team. You duck ND. You attempt to take the Rose Bowl away by clamming a move to the Spring. You prop up your Rose Bowl buddies who have even worse problems. Now you task the media to make the ACC, SEC, B12, and ND look like careless yahoos. It makes perfect sense.

The other way the ACC, SEC and Big XII come out winners in this, is if it turns out that ANY of the football teams in the PAC or Big 10+4 have outbreaks of COVID this fall.

Because then it will have been shown that postponing the season in order to protect the health and well being of their athletes was all for naught.

I think an outbreak amongst these teams is as likely as it is with any of the teams in the ACC, SEC or Big XII.

We shall see I suppose.

(08-13-2020 06:11 PM)Statefan Wrote:  

(08-13-2020 05:29 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-13-2020 02:59 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  What makes me laugh the most is the same people that say we cant add 1 extra game to the playoff because its too dangerous to have two teams playing ONE EXTRA game---are now suggesting adding 6 to 8 games to the 1 year total of games played by EVERY team in their conferences....and thats before considering any post season play.

Yes, that is hilarious. If they are to be believed **, the B1G and PAC plan on playing about 21 games during 2021, Spring and Fall together. That's crazy.


** Which I do not, i believe "postponed to Spring" is a gutless way of saying football for this year is canceled. I don't expect any of the conferences that canceled this fall to actually play in the Spring, especially not the two P5. Maybe some nitzy D2 or D3 conference will and nobody will even know.

The Big knows that it's best schools can not compete on the field with the best of the SEC, ACC, and B12. Because of that they seek solutions to things that minimize their exposure of nakedness. Fewer ooc games, and fewer playoff games favor their overall chances and favor what they seek to retain - control over college football. Culture, demographics, and time are not on their side and they make 50 year decisions. All of this is totally logical if you are Michigan or Wisconsin.

You duck a season where Clemson or Alabama beats the hell out of your playoff team. You duck ND. You attempt to take the Rose Bowl away by clamming a move to the Spring. You prop up your Rose Bowl buddies who have even worse problems. Now you task the media to make the ACC, SEC, B12, and ND look like careless yahoos. It makes perfect sense.

My college coach said "discretion is the better part of valor" so I won't touch this conspiracy theory but it's pretty out there man.

It doesn't take death to cause the problem. If they test positive, then they and/or the team has to skip games. My 20 yr old JUCO football playing nephew has been positive since July 6. He's had 3 tests, the last one was monday. He's getting his taste and smell back, but still said it feels like he's had bronchitis for over a month. My cousin in law, 49, has been on a ventilator since July 12. Her sis in law that is 30, spent 2 wks in the hospital with it. My 28 yr old cousin in law who is fit af, air national guardsman, had it for 25 days, said it was also like bronchitis.

None of them are dead, but those outcomes can mess up a football team's season.

(08-13-2020 08:08 PM)bgwisc Wrote:  

(08-13-2020 06:11 PM)Statefan Wrote:  

(08-13-2020 05:29 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-13-2020 02:59 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  What makes me laugh the most is the same people that say we cant add 1 extra game to the playoff because its too dangerous to have two teams playing ONE EXTRA game---are now suggesting adding 6 to 8 games to the 1 year total of games played by EVERY team in their conferences....and thats before considering any post season play.

Yes, that is hilarious. If they are to be believed **, the B1G and PAC plan on playing about 21 games during 2021, Spring and Fall together. That's crazy.


** Which I do not, i believe "postponed to Spring" is a gutless way of saying football for this year is canceled. I don't expect any of the conferences that canceled this fall to actually play in the Spring, especially not the two P5. Maybe some nitzy D2 or D3 conference will and nobody will even know.

The Big knows that it's best schools can not compete on the field with the best of the SEC, ACC, and B12. Because of that they seek solutions to things that minimize their exposure of nakedness. Fewer ooc games, and fewer playoff games favor their overall chances and favor what they seek to retain - control over college football. Culture, demographics, and time are not on their side and they make 50 year decisions. All of this is totally logical if you are Michigan or Wisconsin.

You duck a season where Clemson or Alabama beats the hell out of your playoff team. You duck ND. You attempt to take the Rose Bowl away by clamming a move to the Spring. You prop up your Rose Bowl buddies who have even worse problems. Now you task the media to make the ACC, SEC, B12, and ND look like careless yahoos. It makes perfect sense.

I've read some illogical conspiracy theories before but this right here is a sight to behold.

It's easier to be a bully when a little brother (NC State) can hide behind a big brother (Clemson) and talk sh*t. Now he's not only hiding behind one conference, but three of them.

At least Ohio State has won it all in the CFP. Oklahoma is 0-4, yet he includes the Big 12? I guess Ohio State is to far north for his theory?

Now if he would have said something like "Ohio State yet to beat Clemson", maybe it would be more accurate? Nope, he talks about entire conferences instead.

NC State needs to worry about themselves rather than others. Figure how to keep their big brothers, North Carolina and Clemson from only leaving them scraps when it comes to recruiting down there.