Oh boy, what a bunch of nerds. Too funny...

(08-07-2020 05:48 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  Trailer:

One of the best episodes of Star Trek TNG was called lower decks.

The whole episode was from the perspective of a small group of ensigns who were up for review and were badly intimidated by Riker, Worf and the senior officers.

It was a very refreshing episode that really gave a true sense of what it would be like as an young up and coming officer on board the Enterprise-D. Commander Riker and Worf were incredibly intimidating, yet were ideal role models and powerful leaders.

Easily one of my top 5 star trek episodes ever.

"The Inner Light" is still the best Star Trek episode of all the different series. Its the high water mark of the entire franchise as far as the TV shows.


Spoiler alert:

The crew encounters a small probe near a planet who's sun killed the civilization over 1000 years before. The probe emits a beam that knocks Picard unconscious, and he wakes up as a married man living in that society in its latter years. After spending a few years adjusting to his new reality, he lets go of his old life and lives out an entire lifetime, having children and grandchildren living with these people (Picard always regretted never having children). He even learns to play a flute and a very beautiful melody known to that world.

In the end as an old man, he sees the probe being launched as the people know their civilization is about to die. He then realizes its the probe that finds him 1000 years later, and he sees all the people he loved who had lived and died there telling him not to forget who they are and were.

Picard then wakes up on the bridge of the enterprise with everyone surround him and realizes only about 10-12 minutes have passed, but he has experienced an entire lifetime in those few minutes.

As the episode closes, they beam the probe aboard and in it is a small case with the flute he played, the episode ends with him clutching the flute as the only remnant of the life he experienced as he plays that beautiful melody.

If that episode doesn't touch your heart, then you are dead inside.

My suspicion that this board was filled with nerds has been confirmed.

(08-08-2020 08:23 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  My suspicion that this board was filled with nerds has been confirmed.

Took the words right out of my mouth

If you guys never watched Star Trek then its your loss. The original series and TNG were spectacular.

(08-08-2020 08:57 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  If you guys never watched Star Trek then its your loss. The original series and TNG were spectacular.

I’m rewatching (for like the 50th time) the original Star Trek on Netflix right now. Beats hell out of watching the news.

The series that is. Shatner was the bomb.

Get woke and you go broke, Abrams ruined both franchises.

(08-08-2020 04:03 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Get woke and you go broke, Abrams ruined both franchises.

Yes he did and don't get me started. JJ Abrams is the worst. I hope for the sake of everything good they keep him away from the MCU.

(08-08-2020 09:16 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  

(08-08-2020 08:57 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  If you guys never watched Star Trek then its your loss. The original series and TNG were spectacular.

I’m rewatching (for like the 50th time) the original Star Trek on Netflix right now. Beats hell out of watching the news.

The series that is. Shatner was the bomb.

Raised my kid on Star Trek, Andy Griffith Show and later on Brady Bunch. Though those shows are old, and ostensibly two were made by what was then called "liberals' (which today's Left would burn at the stake as heretics to the progressive/marxist agenda) those shows generally have a ton of decency, family values, generally good-natured humor and building blocks for becoming a good person. Even though the technology might appear to be dated, the values-based storytelling and writing is among as good as it gets. Just sorry that Andy smoked in AGS, but it provided a good teaching moment as well.

ST: TOS

A Taste of Armageddon
S1 E23

Per IMDB: On a mission to establish diplomatic relations at Star Cluster NGC321, Kirk and Spock beam down to planet Eminiar 7 to learn that its inhabitants have been at war with a neighboring planet for over 500 years. They can find no damage nor evidence of destruction but soon learn that their war is essentially a war game, where each planet attacks the other in a computer simulation with the tabulated victims voluntarily surrendering themselves for execution after the fact. When the Enterprise becomes a victim in the computer simulation and ordered destroyed, Kirk decides it's time to show them exactly what war means.

Quote:Mea 3: If I refuse to report, and other refuse, then Vendikar would have no choice but to launch real weapons. We would have to do the same to defend ourselves. More than people would die then. A whole civilization would be destroyed. Surely, you can see that ours is the better way.

Captain James T. Kirk: No. I don't see that at all.

Quote:Anan 7: You can stop it!

Captain James T. Kirk: STOP it? I'm COUNTING on it.

Quote:Anan 7: ANAN: You realise what you have done?

Captain James T. Kirk: Yes, I do. I've given you back the horrors of war. The Vendikans now assume that you've broken your agreement and that you're preparing to wage real war with real weapons. They'll want do the same. Only the next attack they launch will do a lot more than count up numbers in a computer. They'll destroy cities, devastate your planet. You of course will want to retaliate. If I were you, I'd start making bombs. Yes, Councilman, you have a real war on your hands. You can either wage it with real weapons, or you might consider an alternative. Put an end to it. Make peace.

Anan 7: There can be no peace. Don't you see? We've admitted it to ourselves. We're a killer species. It's instinctive. It's the same with you. Your General Order Twenty Four.

Captain James T. Kirk: All right. It's instinctive. But the instinct can be fought. We're human beings with the blood of a million savage years on our hands, but we can stop it. We can admit that we're killers, but we're not going to kill today. That's all it takes. Knowing that we won't kill today. Contact Vendikar. I think you'll find that they're just as terrified, appalled, horrified as you are, that they'll do anything to avoid the alternative I've given you. Peace or utter destruction. It's up to you.

War should be ugly, brutal, devastating, hell... that's what makes it undesirable and a thing to be avoided.

In Star Trek - replicators are what ushered in the post scarcity economy seen in the UFP core worlds.

(08-10-2020 03:58 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  In Star Trek - replicators are what ushered in the post scarcity economy seen in the UFP core worlds.

Yes but in Bladerunner when they made primo tail into replicants they hired cops to retire them.

It' makes no sense. Surely there is as much need for beautiful compliant women as there is for basic food sources!

This proves humanity's inability to manage anything. So what if you can get a reasonable cup of Earl Grey tea! If you can have Johanna Cassidy, Daryl Hannah, and Sean Young replicated for the sake of male humanity and the government forbids it and kills the reproductions then what good are we as a species? And what good is replication with restrictions?

I say that lawyers and corporations will determine that replicators destroy free market enterprise. A good cup of tea should cost you something as you speed across the galaxy. And Sean Young, Darryl Hannah, and Johanna Cassidy should be paid for their likeness and image, with perhaps a bit of an enjoyment stipend for them as well.

Vandiver, you can never have stuff in space the way Star Trek depicts it because I guarandamntee you there will be lawyers and politicians in space to screw it up!

The Jedi primarily use the barter system. For pricier expenses, I imagine they're financed from past/current missions by those they serve/served.

(08-10-2020 04:07 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(08-10-2020 03:58 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  In Star Trek - replicators are what ushered in the post scarcity economy seen in the UFP core worlds.

Yes but in Bladerunner when they made primo tail into replicants they hired cops to retire them.

It' makes no sense. Surely there is as much need for beautiful compliant women as there is for basic food sources!

This proves humanity's inability to manage anything. So what if you can get a reasonable cup of Earl Grey tea! If you can have Johanna Cassidy, Daryl Hannah, and Sean Young replicated for the sake of male humanity and the government forbids it and kills the reproductions then what good are we as a species? And what good is replication with restrictions?

I say that lawyers and corporations will determine that replicators destroy free market enterprise. A good cup of tea should cost you something as you speed across the galaxy. And Sean Young, Darryl Hannah, and Johanna Cassidy should be paid for their likeness and image, with perhaps a bit of an enjoyment stipend for them as well.

Vandiver, you can never have stuff in space the way Star Trek depicts it because I guarandamntee you there will be lawyers and politicians in space to screw it up!

While your references are a little dated, modern versions could sell their name image and likeness for the holodeck experience you suggest. Lawyers aren’t what kills the idea of post scarcity, as solving material needs/wants is at least feasible. It’s the astronomical costs of relationships and experiences that would undue that dream IMO.

(08-10-2020 01:07 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  

(08-08-2020 09:16 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  

(08-08-2020 08:57 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  If you guys never watched Star Trek then its your loss. The original series and TNG were spectacular.

I’m rewatching (for like the 50th time) the original Star Trek on Netflix right now. Beats hell out of watching the news.

The series that is. Shatner was the bomb.

Raised my kid on Star Trek, Andy Griffith Show and later on Brady Bunch. Though those shows are old, and ostensibly two were made by what was then called "liberals' (which today's Left would burn at the stake as heretics to the progressive/marxist agenda) those shows generally have a ton of decency, family values, generally good-natured humor and building blocks for becoming a good person. Even though the technology might appear to be dated, the values-based storytelling and writing is among as good as it gets. Just sorry that Andy smoked in AGS, but it provided a good teaching moment as well.

I saw the Flying Nun on the schedule and put it on DVR and watched with my daughter. I probably hadn't seen an episode in 50 years. It was funny. But the point of this post is that the actress who played Sally Field's sister was Elinor Donahue. She looked familiar and I remembered she was on Star Trek TOS (Metamorphisis with a 200 year old Efram Cochran).

So I looked her up. She was one of the daughter's on Father Knows Best (which I probably saw on reruns once or twice in the 60s. And then she has been in SO many TV shows. She was Andy Griffith's love interest in the Andy Griffith Show (triggered a memory), The Odd Couple (vaguely remember-semi regular), about a dozen other 60s/early 70s TV show episodes, Plus Different Strokes, Barnaby Jones, CHIPS, Mork & Mindy, Happy Days, One Day at a Time, Fantasy Island, Dukes of Hazzard, Dr. Quinn Medicine Woman (semi-regular), 3 or 4 series I don't remember she was a semi-regular on, Newheart, Golden girls, Friends, Young and the Restless (semi regular) plus another dozen or so 80s/90s series. Its like you couldn't be a TV series without at least having her as a guest star. She was the nice manager of one of the stores in Pretty Woman.

(08-10-2020 07:13 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(08-10-2020 04:07 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(08-10-2020 03:58 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  In Star Trek - replicators are what ushered in the post scarcity economy seen in the UFP core worlds.

Yes but in Bladerunner when they made primo tail into replicants they hired cops to retire them.

It' makes no sense. Surely there is as much need for beautiful compliant women as there is for basic food sources!

This proves humanity's inability to manage anything. So what if you can get a reasonable cup of Earl Grey tea! If you can have Johanna Cassidy, Daryl Hannah, and Sean Young replicated for the sake of male humanity and the government forbids it and kills the reproductions then what good are we as a species? And what good is replication with restrictions?

I say that lawyers and corporations will determine that replicators destroy free market enterprise. A good cup of tea should cost you something as you speed across the galaxy. And Sean Young, Darryl Hannah, and Johanna Cassidy should be paid for their likeness and image, with perhaps a bit of an enjoyment stipend for them as well.

Vandiver, you can never have stuff in space the way Star Trek depicts it because I guarandamntee you there will be lawyers and politicians in space to screw it up!

While your references are a little dated, modern versions could sell their name image and likeness for the holodeck experience you suggest. Lawyers aren’t what kills the idea of post scarcity, as solving material needs/wants is at least feasible. It’s the astronomical costs of relationships and experiences that would undue that dream IMO.

Well, of course my examples are dated! I'm dated! But the movie did come out after the original Star Wars so it was fair game and certainly better than the gut busting Alien offering. As to lawyers and corporations I'm right about this one. And as to relationship issues must I remind you that replicants replace the litigious human female. And with gender dysphoria, cyber relationships, and fear of commitment, not to mention no understanding about how to actually date, the childless generation which lives among 8 billion others will naturally be inclined to believe that replicants are their best option. So no wives, no legalities! No progeny, no ontology recapitulating phylogeny. The Universe is spared!

And Vandiver, I'm just having some fun, is this really a serious discussion about Star Trek and Star Wars when we haven't even been to the dark side of the moon and the greatest food advancement for NASA was Tang?

We will never be able to recreate things molecularly. It is the modern version of alchemy. A Holodeck experience may be a different matter but even then robotic have years to go before the animatronics even work well enough and that doesn't even begin to account for the programming issues with developing a reactive replicant.

There are 2 things only that people need to realize every morning they wake up:
1. The Sun is burning toward Super Nova and we need to spend our time learning how to travel space or we are toast.
2. You can't achieve #1 worrying about those who can't keep up. We can strive to provide necessities, but we have to manage our planet so that it lasts until we leave it. So we travel at the fastest pace scientifically, technologically, and educationally, and we let those who fall behind take care of the planet. All of God's children have a purpose and things naturally sort themselves out.

And I ask you, "What good have we ultimately accomplished if we fail to preserve the species?"

(08-08-2020 04:29 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  "The Inner Light" is still the best Star Trek episode of all the different series. Its the high water mark of the entire franchise as far as the TV shows.


Spoiler alert:

The crew encounters a small probe near a planet who's sun killed the civilization over 1000 years before. The probe emits a beam that knocks Picard unconscious, and he wakes up as a married man living in that society in its latter years. After spending a few years adjusting to his new reality, he lets go of his old life and lives out an entire lifetime, having children and grandchildren living with these people (Picard always regretted never having children). He even learns to play a flute and a very beautiful melody known to that world.

In the end as an old man, he sees the probe being launched as the people know their civilization is about to die. He then realizes its the probe that finds him 1000 years later, and he sees all the people he loved who had lived and died there telling him not to forget who they are and were.

Picard then wakes up on the bridge of the enterprise with everyone surround him and realizes only about 10-12 minutes have passed, but he has experienced an entire lifetime in those few minutes.

As the episode closes, they beam the probe aboard and in it is a small case with the flute he played, the episode ends with him clutching the flute as the only remnant of the life he experienced as he plays that beautiful melody.

If that episode doesn't touch your heart, then you are dead inside.

That's good, but you need to watch more TOS and DS9. Just to list a few (not to mention the humorous ones like "The Trouble with Tribbles" or "Trials and Tribbleations")
TOS
City on the Edge of Forever (Kirk travels in time and falls in love)
Conscience of the King (Kirk sees someone who disappeared who selected which colonists lived and which were killed on a planet with a food shortage)
All Our Yesterdays (Spock travels in time on another planet and falls in love)
DS9
The Visitor (Jake loses his Father, Captain Sisko, and tries to get him back)
In the Pale Moonlight (Sisko deals with ethics in time of war and how far he will go)
The Siege of AR-558 (gritty siege)

Technology could radically change the way a society handles monetary policy..as these SciFi series tried to imply. If you can produce anything you need by rearranging atoms in machines... then you would for sure live in a completely different economic and societal paradigm. Food, water, clothing and likely shelter is no longer a concern. You would live in a world in which higher lever concerns of philosophy, mathematics, linguistics, medicine..ect..ect..would be addressed as normal day to day life... instead of academic.

Honestly...I really don't want to live in that world. I enjoy working wood and making things with my skill and my hands. I like firing up a grill and cooking a juicy TBone over hot coals...in a warm Summer afternoon and enjoying a ice cold adult beverage in the sunshine.

(08-10-2020 07:34 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-08-2020 04:29 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  "The Inner Light" is still the best Star Trek episode of all the different series. Its the high water mark of the entire franchise as far as the TV shows.


Spoiler alert:

The crew encounters a small probe near a planet who's sun killed the civilization over 1000 years before. The probe emits a beam that knocks Picard unconscious, and he wakes up as a married man living in that society in its latter years. After spending a few years adjusting to his new reality, he lets go of his old life and lives out an entire lifetime, having children and grandchildren living with these people (Picard always regretted never having children). He even learns to play a flute and a very beautiful melody known to that world.

In the end as an old man, he sees the probe being launched as the people know their civilization is about to die. He then realizes its the probe that finds him 1000 years later, and he sees all the people he loved who had lived and died there telling him not to forget who they are and were.

Picard then wakes up on the bridge of the enterprise with everyone surround him and realizes only about 10-12 minutes have passed, but he has experienced an entire lifetime in those few minutes.

As the episode closes, they beam the probe aboard and in it is a small case with the flute he played, the episode ends with him clutching the flute as the only remnant of the life he experienced as he plays that beautiful melody.

If that episode doesn't touch your heart, then you are dead inside.

That's good, but you need to watch more TOS and DS9. Just to list a few (not to mention the humorous ones like "The Trouble with Tribbles" or "Trials and Tribbleations")
TOS
City on the Edge of Forever (Kirk travels in time and falls in love)
Conscience of the King (Kirk sees someone who disappeared who selected which colonists lived and which were killed on a planet with a food shortage)
All Our Yesterdays (Spock travels in time on another planet and falls in love)
DS9
The Visitor (Jake loses his Father, Captain Sisko, and tries to get him back)
In the Pale Moonlight (Sisko deals with ethics in time of war and how far he will go)
The Siege of AR-558 (gritty siege)

I've seen them all at least 3-4 times my man.

I was recovering from surgery about 10 years ago and spliced together Trouble with tribbles and trials & tribbilations into one giant episode, and it came out really well. I've lost the disk thought.

Enterprise was pretty good too.