it was pretty clear that Lucas and star wars had lost their damn mind when they made a 15 year old girl the elected queen of a planet.

Disney took star wars to a whole new level of retard.

theyve tried to frick up star trek but those folks aren't as gullible. the latest star trek abomination is an unwatchable footnote of stupidity.

I am offended that Star Trek had Green Orion Slave girls, and Captain Kirk got a woody from one. Also, how in the hell can we not boycott the Yonada fake planet for inserting "an instrument of obedience" into its citizens? And we should let all the Romulans across the neutral zone without hesitation, as they are good, hard working people just wanting to better their economic situation.

And for the record, I'd rather live next door to a lizard Gorn that is slowly trying to kill me than an intellectually devoid Mark Mensa (Squire of Gothos) or a bet-welcher like JD Tulane (Gamesters of Trickselion).

(04-12-2019 05:46 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  That's one seriously gorgeous Jedi.

That she is

(04-07-2016 07:21 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(04-07-2016 05:23 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  reality:

Trek is one dudes vision of an idealized humanity...it's not meant to be real, it's just an ideal

Star Wars is trying to tell a realistic story...not push an ideal on you.

that said...

there have been mention of "Federation Credits" much like a Pay-Pal system, without physical currency in Trek...while non-starfleet/federation members/traders use gold pressed latinum.

Ironically the Star Trek Utopia is a much more realistic goal for the future of mankind vs. the wild world of Star Wars, because it isn't a stretch of the imagination to see how the entire world could be clothed, sheltered and fed if all assets were held in common. Granted, it will never happen and human nature would royally screw it up but it's at least plausible. Contrast that to the world of Star Wars where the entire premise is more in the realm of magic and mysticism. However, the economies are more real.

The Star Wars economy is basically a barter economy for many since currency was rare and rife with black markets because of the lack of an efficient market place. Star Trek you would assume has a very stable mechanism of production to consumption - just no currency.

Actually its not realistic because they believe everyone would seek self-actualization through meaningful careers, instead of sitting in a room playing video games. Its basically the communist mentality, ignoring that most people need motivation to achieve.

(04-12-2019 11:50 PM)ODUsmitty Wrote:  I am offended that Star Trek had Green Orion Slave girls, and Captain Kirk got a woody from one. Also, how in the hell can we not boycott the Yonada fake planet for inserting "an instrument of obedience" into its citizens? And we should let all the Romulans across the neutral zone without hesitation, as they are good, hard working people just wanting to better their economic situation.

And for the record, I'd rather live next door to a lizard Gorn that is slowly trying to kill me than an intellectually devoid Mark Mensa (Squire of Gothos) or a bet-welcher like JD Tulane (Gamesters of Trickselion).

POST OF THE YEAR!!!

I've always assumed that in Star Trek people didn't actually move past the need for money. It's just that scarcity isn't a thing in a lot of situations. Advanced Robotics and scientific breakthroughs have driven the cost of food and medicine to zero. Education is free but very standardized. Everyone gets a UBI. But an individual can increase that amount if they are colonizing a certain planet.

(04-12-2019 11:50 PM)ODUsmitty Wrote:  I am offended that Star Trek had Green Orion Slave girls, and Captain Kirk got a woody from one. Also, how in the hell can we not boycott the Yonada fake planet for inserting "an instrument of obedience" into its citizens? And we should let all the Romulans across the neutral zone without hesitation, as they are good, hard working people just wanting to better their economic situation.

And for the record, I'd rather live next door to a lizard Gorn that is slowly trying to kill me than an intellectually devoid Mark Mensa (Squire of Gothos) or a bet-welcher like JD Tulane (Gamesters of Trickselion).

There is an asteroid in the asteroid belt that scientists have identified as being entirely made of heavy metals. A two mile ball of gold and platinum. They say that asteroid alone would destroy the entire economy of the earth if someone was able to mine it or move it into orbit around earth. Once the human race leaves this planet on a casual basis, who knows where it will go.

(04-13-2019 07:58 PM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  There is an asteroid in the asteroid belt that scientists have identified as being entirely made of heavy metals. A two mile ball of gold and platinum. They say that asteroid alone would destroy the entire economy of the earth if someone was able to mine it or move it into orbit around earth. Once the human race leaves this planet on a casual basis, who knows where it will go.

If democrats are in power I betting Uranus is their first stop

(04-13-2019 07:58 PM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  There is an asteroid in the asteroid belt that scientists have identified as being entirely made of heavy metals. A two mile ball of gold and platinum. They say that asteroid alone would destroy the entire economy of the earth if someone was able to mine it or move it into orbit around earth. Once the human race leaves this planet on a casual basis, who knows where it will go.

Was watching the Joe Rogan podcast a few weeks ago. They talked about Jeff Bezos saying that there is enough metal in the asteroid belt to build an 800 story building all around the earth.

This is some stupid schit. Ya'll realize this isn't real life don't you?

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Screw valuable metals. We're talking Star Wars. What can be mined and refined into recreational drugs?

(04-13-2019 09:59 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  This is some stupid schit. Ya'll realize this isn't real life don't you?

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What gave it away? The title of the thread? Don't click on it. If you don't want to discuss the topic. It's really that simple.

(04-13-2019 09:59 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  This is some stupid schit. Ya'll realize this isn't real life don't you?

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go tell a group of white chicks GOT's isn't real and they need to get a life...they'll scratch your eyes out and drown you in pumpkin spice latte.

(04-07-2016 04:22 PM)ArmyBlazer Wrote:  Oh man, you're about to out a bunch of nerds. I kid because I'm one of them. Trek never goes into great detail about how its economy functions. It's talked about in the TNG episode you posted and the idea is reiterated in First Contact. Roddenberry was big on the idea of utopia, but they never really explain in any depth on how they got there.

I think Star Trek was pretty much the "universal income" kind of world. Basically we didnt have to do jobs that sucked anymore because technology and/or robitics largely handled them. In such a society---you would be free to follow your interests and the worlds excess resources and labor would be available for large scale use in exploration and discovery. The stories didnt deal with that much because they were never on earth. They were on other planets that were not that to that point yet.

Star Wars has lots of technology and robotics---but it still seems like a pretty gritty universe to scratch out a living in. Not a utopia at all.

Nuts to Star Wars/Trek, I want to talk about the absolutely ridiculous economics of Wakanda! It bothers me far more than the space operas, as it is theoretically in our world (just with fantastical technology, magic, and aliens), yet it does not adhere to anything remotely like real world enomonic realities now or at any time since Ancient Egypt.

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"to boldly joke where no one has (officially) joked before"

With 'Star Trek: Lower Decks,' A Venerable Franchise Loosens Up

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(04-14-2019 10:34 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(04-13-2019 09:59 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  This is some stupid schit. Ya'll realize this isn't real life don't you?

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go tell a group of white chicks GOT's isn't real and they need to get a life...they'll scratch your eyes out and drown you in pumpkin spice latte.

Maybe they'll do that to you.

I garundamntee they won't do that to me

(04-07-2016 03:03 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  Here's something I don't see discussed very often, and might prove an interesting thread for the room: what about the economics of the Star Wars (and Star Trek) universes? Where did the Rebellion get its money/funding; and now the Resistence? Is there a "Koch brothers" funding the Resistence against the First Order? How does the money get moved around between the factions in the Star Wars universe, where are the banks and when/how are they accessed?

Clearly there was a Trade Federation in the I-III trilogy, so wealth was being created and changing hands. What were the economies of Naboo and Coruscant (and Alderaan, for that matter) like and how were they organised? Tatooine appears to be more of an entrepreneurial/wild west type setup. Capitalism seemed to reign as "Republic Credits are no good out here," and betting on pod-racing occurred. Plus, Jabba the Hutt and the Hutts seemed to be doing well. Jawas sold droids they found. Moisture farmers farmed and presumably sold moisture in the towns like Mos Eisley and Toshi Station (where one could buy "power converters' while fooling around with their friends, but only after getting those vaporators working, or there'd be "hell to pay" from Uncle Owen. (Did he have any life insurance? guess not. Plus, who got the farm after Luke left? Any chance he could go back for 'reparations'?)) Also, in SWIV, A New Hope, Luke doesn't appear to pay for his drink at the bar, but Han Solo flips some change at the bartender upon leaving to pay for the cleanup of the mess he left of Greedo that he was "sorry about," (remember, originally Han shot first, and I have the videotape to prove it!)

Han Solo was a smuggler, and owed Jabba money and was supposedly returning with his "reward money" to repay the price on his head, before he turned around and helped Luke clear the way so he could destroy the Death Star. Was he still getting delinquent notices from Jabba in the meantime (okay, Greedo and Boba Fett basically were handling that, but it would be fun to think who was Jabba's attorney?)

Lando made a "deal" to keep the Empire out of Cloud City, a mining capitol on the planet Bespin, as his "operation is too small to attract much interest from the Empire."

How do the Jedi get paid (or did they, since Luke is the last Jedi at the moment?) If they were independent from the Senate, yet they were "keepers of the peace, not soldiers" as was stated in the first trilogy (SW I-III) what was the economic nature of their financial arrangement?

When Obi-Wan went into the club with Annakin searching for the assassin, and he stated "You look, I'm going to get a drink," when Qui-Gon Jin tried to buy the parts he needed on Tatooine with 20,000 Republic Credits, how did they come to get those credits, and where did they keep them? Electronically? If so, they why seemingly no Star Wars e-mail or IM-ing? (Or is there and we just don't see it? (clearly there are video calls via hologram, and Qui-Gon in SW-Episode I appeared to instantly upload a blood sample from young Anakin for Obi-Wan to do a quick midichlorian check on the queen's disabled ship while they were stranded on Tatooine).

Jaaku in SW-VII: TFA, much like Tatooine, appears to be an entrepreneurial capitalistic society. Rey is a scavenger, selling found parts to a local boss in the nearby settlement, while living in an abandoned Imperial Walker. Does the First Order come back and reclaim these old items after the Empire's defeat? Do they legally belong to anyone after a war? (Marshall Plan-type questions abound here, lawyers!)

Perhaps one of the newly rumored additional 10 Star Wars films planned after the present group wraps up in 2020, can delve into the details for us? SWXXII: Attack of the Tax Collectors or SWXXIII: The Legal Proceedings (subtitle: Jurisdictional Wars), or even SWXXIV: Attack of the Accountants

Star Trek does deal a bit more in financing in some of their shows and spinoffs, but still--what are the nuances and mechanics of that economy as well?

While you ponder what I hope can be an interesting discussion, here's the new StarWars: Rogue One trailer to view and enjoy:

In the Star Wars series in the movie Solo it is Coaxium refining which fuels all of the spacecraft. The rebels steal it and refine and sell it to buy the weapons they need to conduct a war.

Congratulations! If not for placating my 10 year old grandson I would never have known this. I somehow feel worse for even knowing this. I would much rather field a question on hunting or fishing.