Multiple Reds players held out, and now major news out of the Miami Marlins over Covid.

What's the next step for us?

(07-27-2020 08:30 AM)rileylives Wrote:  Multiple Reds players held out, and now major news out of the Miami Marlins over Covid.

What's the next step for us?

I mentioned previously this year that MLB would be the test case for everyone else, because they spend so much time in confined spaces (airplanes, buses, dugouts, clubhouse, etc.) that once it hit one team it would likely spread through the rest of the team like a wildfire.

There simply is no safe way to be in confined quarter with anyone without taking the chance of contracting the virus. It just spreads too easily. And every team sport (especially football) puts you in close contact particularly locker rooms, which are like petri dishes.

And these are professionals where it's their job. There is no way university's are going to let their amateur student-athletes take this chance. Too much liability.

Yes. This weekend was a big wake-up call.

We will see how the bubble plan in the NBA works. I'm shocked the NFL isn't doing a similar bubble plan. MLB should probably shut down for a week or two, and come up with a bubble plan as well.

We are definitely not having fall sports this year guys.

How many athletes to date of any age (high school, college, professional) have actually passed away or even had lasting problems from the corona virus? I would bet zero, but I honestly don't know.

Yes probably no sports this fall but if the end game is 0 cases, you will never have sports again.

(07-27-2020 09:46 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(07-27-2020 08:30 AM)rileylives Wrote:  Multiple Reds players held out, and now major news out of the Miami Marlins over Covid.

What's the next step for us?

I mentioned previously this year that MLB would be the test case for everyone else, because they spend so much time in confined spaces (airplanes, buses, dugouts, clubhouse, etc.) that once it hit one team it would likely spread through the rest of the team like a wildfire.

There simply is no safe way to be in confined quarter with anyone without taking the chance of contracting the virus. It just spreads too easily. And every team sport (especially football) puts you in close contact particularly locker rooms, which are like petri dishes.

And these are professionals where it's their job. There is no way university's are going to let their amateur student-athletes take this chance. Too much liability.

Most of a baseball player's contacts will be with his own team, not with opposing teams on the field.

But football and basketball will have both.

(07-27-2020 09:46 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(07-27-2020 08:30 AM)rileylives Wrote:  Multiple Reds players held out, and now major news out of the Miami Marlins over Covid.

What's the next step for us?

I mentioned previously this year that MLB would be the test case for everyone else, because they spend so much time in confined spaces (airplanes, buses, dugouts, clubhouse, etc.) that once it hit one team it would likely spread through the rest of the team like a wildfire.

There simply is no safe way to be in confined quarter with anyone without taking the chance of contracting the virus. It just spreads too easily. And every team sport (especially football) puts you in close contact particularly locker rooms, which are like petri dishes.

And these are professionals where it's their job. There is no way university's are going to let their amateur student-athletes take this chance. Too much liability.

If its so easy to spread then you think the rate would be higher between spouses?

Quote:"The results show that overall, the rate of infection among household members was 16.3%, with adults facing a greater likelihood of infection than children.

I assume that spouses are still having sex, touching each other, kissing. You would think a parent would be showing affection to their children, daily.


I also found this on the flu

Quote:We reviewed published studies and found that once one household member is infected with influenza, the risk of infection in a household contact can be up to 38%, and the delay between onset in index and secondary cases is around 3 days. Younger age was associated with higher susceptibility.Nov 21, 2015

For both I did not waste time and took the first hit google gave me.

Since you are the expert maybe you have different numbers? Tell me if I'm mistaken, but the flu affects healthy young people a lot harder than covid affects them? At least so far that is the understanding?

(07-27-2020 10:44 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(07-27-2020 09:46 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(07-27-2020 08:30 AM)rileylives Wrote:  Multiple Reds players held out, and now major news out of the Miami Marlins over Covid.

What's the next step for us?

I mentioned previously this year that MLB would be the test case for everyone else, because they spend so much time in confined spaces (airplanes, buses, dugouts, clubhouse, etc.) that once it hit one team it would likely spread through the rest of the team like a wildfire.

There simply is no safe way to be in confined quarter with anyone without taking the chance of contracting the virus. It just spreads too easily. And every team sport (especially football) puts you in close contact particularly locker rooms, which are like petri dishes.

And these are professionals where it's their job. There is no way university's are going to let their amateur student-athletes take this chance. Too much liability.

If its so easy to spread then you think the rate would be higher between spouses?

Quote:"The results show that overall, the rate of infection among household members was 16.3%, with adults facing a greater likelihood of infection than children.

I assume that spouses are still having sex, touching each other, kissing. You would think a parent would be showing affection to their children, daily.


I also found this on the flu

Quote:We reviewed published studies and found that once one household member is infected with influenza, the risk of infection in a household contact can be up to 38%, and the delay between onset in index and secondary cases is around 3 days. Younger age was associated with higher susceptibility.Nov 21, 2015

For both I did not waste time and took the first hit google gave me.

Since you are the expert maybe you have different numbers? Tell me if I'm mistaken, but the flu affects healthy young people a lot harder than covid affects them? At least so far that is the understanding?

THERE WILL BE NO SEX UNTIL THERE IS A CURE. Thank you for your cooperation.

Looks like plenty of people have been scared to death on here

(07-27-2020 09:54 AM)MT FAN Wrote:  How many athletes to date of any age (high school, college, professional) have actually passed away or even had lasting problems from the corona virus? I would bet zero, but I honestly don't know.

Well, your bet would be wrong. But even if it weren't your statement is extremely shortsighted.

For starters, which university is going to take on the liability to be that one case where it does happen?

Second, what university is going to be on the hook for being responsible for community spread that a) increases case counts taxing medical resources; and b) leading to severe illness and deaths in the community?

(07-27-2020 10:44 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(07-27-2020 09:46 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(07-27-2020 08:30 AM)rileylives Wrote:  Multiple Reds players held out, and now major news out of the Miami Marlins over Covid.

What's the next step for us?

I mentioned previously this year that MLB would be the test case for everyone else, because they spend so much time in confined spaces (airplanes, buses, dugouts, clubhouse, etc.) that once it hit one team it would likely spread through the rest of the team like a wildfire.

There simply is no safe way to be in confined quarter with anyone without taking the chance of contracting the virus. It just spreads too easily. And every team sport (especially football) puts you in close contact particularly locker rooms, which are like petri dishes.

And these are professionals where it's their job. There is no way university's are going to let their amateur student-athletes take this chance. Too much liability.

If its so easy to spread then you think the rate would be higher between spouses?

Quote:"The results show that overall, the rate of infection among household members was 16.3%, with adults facing a greater likelihood of infection than children.

I assume that spouses are still having sex, touching each other, kissing. You would think a parent would be showing affection to their children, daily.


I also found this on the flu

Quote:We reviewed published studies and found that once one household member is infected with influenza, the risk of infection in a household contact can be up to 38%, and the delay between onset in index and secondary cases is around 3 days. Younger age was associated with higher susceptibility.Nov 21, 2015

For both I did not waste time and took the first hit google gave me.

Since you are the expert maybe you have different numbers? Tell me if I'm mistaken, but the flu affects healthy young people a lot harder than covid affects them? At least so far that is the understanding?

Depends on the flu strain.

Also, you may not have chosen the first link, but the study you are referencing is from China. So, take it FWIW.

Of the dozen or so folks I know who have contracted it the spouses have all gotten it. Some with virtually no symptoms. Others on their death bed. With flu there is a bit of predictability. Less so with COVID and I don't think we yet understand why. But that's the challenge with a novel virus that is also deadly.

I mentioned the family member who is on a vent. Since there is so much sympathy among our C-USA brotheren (oh was that sarcastic, sorry), I thought I would share parts of a recent message from the family...

Day 13 of hospitalization
Joe continues to be agitated and requiring large amounts of sedation. With this agitation his oxygen levels drops into the 70’s. Today’s X-ray did not look as good as previous days. ?? he is being given lasix. Today has not been tiny steps forward but have to remind myself this is a marathon. Redacted (our special needs son) tested positive for Covid-19 in the emergency room today. He had an X-ray and it shows a small pneumonia that we are treating with antibiotcs.

(07-27-2020 12:16 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  I mentioned the family member who is on a vent. Since there is so much sympathy among our C-USA brotheren (oh was that sarcastic, sorry), I thought I would share parts of a recent message from the family...

Day 13 of hospitalization
Joe continues to be agitated and requiring large amounts of sedation. With this agitation his oxygen levels drops into the 70’s. Today’s X-ray did not look as good as previous days. ?? he is being given lasix. Today has not been tiny steps forward but have to remind myself this is a marathon. Redacted (our special needs son) tested positive for Covid-19 in the emergency room today. He had an X-ray and it shows a small pneumonia that we are treating with antibiotcs.

Yes, it's horrible what's going on.

I hope everyone wakes up to the reality of these risks. Prayers of strength for your family, and anyone having to deal with this.

In general, people want to believe they are right until it's too late. I am humble enough to admit when I am wrong about something. Many people are not, and dig in further.

Yes, this board has not been a fun place lately. Hopefully, we can find a common ground and move forward.

(07-27-2020 12:00 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(07-27-2020 10:44 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(07-27-2020 09:46 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(07-27-2020 08:30 AM)rileylives Wrote:  Multiple Reds players held out, and now major news out of the Miami Marlins over Covid.

What's the next step for us?

I mentioned previously this year that MLB would be the test case for everyone else, because they spend so much time in confined spaces (airplanes, buses, dugouts, clubhouse, etc.) that once it hit one team it would likely spread through the rest of the team like a wildfire.

There simply is no safe way to be in confined quarter with anyone without taking the chance of contracting the virus. It just spreads too easily. And every team sport (especially football) puts you in close contact particularly locker rooms, which are like petri dishes.

And these are professionals where it's their job. There is no way university's are going to let their amateur student-athletes take this chance. Too much liability.

If its so easy to spread then you think the rate would be higher between spouses?

Quote:"The results show that overall, the rate of infection among household members was 16.3%, with adults facing a greater likelihood of infection than children.

I assume that spouses are still having sex, touching each other, kissing. You would think a parent would be showing affection to their children, daily.


I also found this on the flu

Quote:We reviewed published studies and found that once one household member is infected with influenza, the risk of infection in a household contact can be up to 38%, and the delay between onset in index and secondary cases is around 3 days. Younger age was associated with higher susceptibility.Nov 21, 2015

For both I did not waste time and took the first hit google gave me.

Since you are the expert maybe you have different numbers? Tell me if I'm mistaken, but the flu affects healthy young people a lot harder than covid affects them? At least so far that is the understanding?

Depends on the flu strain.

Also, you may not have chosen the first link, but the study you are referencing is from China. So, take it FWIW.

Of the dozen or so folks I know who have contracted it the spouses have all gotten it. Some with virtually no symptoms. Others on their death bed. With flu there is a bit of predictability. Less so with COVID and I don't think we yet understand why. But that's the challenge with a novel virus that is also deadly.

I personally know 17 people that tested positive, including my brother and the number goes up each week of someone I know.

Out of that zero deaths and two of those are in bad health before getting this. One 62, almost 10 years into a liver transplant. Does dialysis 3 times a week, high blood pressure and a diabetic. The other had 2 heart attacks last year.

The one that had the 2 heart attacks (mid 40s) caught this while at a poker game. Eight people sitting around the table and a few more coming in and out. Along with a couple of their spouses bring drinks and food. I cant think of a setting more prone to catch something than a poker game in a smoke filled room where people are touch the same cards over and over. Then rubbing their eyes, probably 10 to 15 times during the night. The eyes are one of the major gateway for covid 19. If you play poker you also know people are touching their face, including mouth and nose a lot more than normal......

not one other person from this poker game tested positive for covid, other than the person sitting next to the guy who caught it. They got their beers mixed up at one point.

On the other hand this same man gave it to his wife, and her son and daughter. Not one of those showed any systems or now 7 weeks later showing any affect by having covid. The 14 year old daughter then gave it to her father (my brother) but she was also around my sister and her first cousin, hugging both and riding in the same car with them. Both tested negative.

So your experience is totally different than my own. At this same time but a week later the cousin (28 years old) spent a week in the hospital with the flu. His mother who had a flu shot, was sick as hell for around 10 days with the flu.

Which experience is more common, yours or mine? But we are talking about this in the context of sports. In sports we are talking about a group of people that are mostly health and in the age range that covid affects the least.

On the other hand its the same group of people that the flu attacks and even sometimes kills. While I did not spend any time researching the rates I posted. If we take the flu rates we know there's a high rate of infection from getting the flu....

we also know its kills and causes more damage to this group of young healthy people. Yet we dont stop playing the games.

As for liability you can bet on legislation (I would guess 85% chance) giving schools immunity. At some point its going to take personal responsibility for our very unhealthy and older parents and grandparents to keep far enough away from these younger people....

that is the way this world has dealt with these types of problems. That is up till 2020. Those that are mostly not at a high risk of dying or getting very very sick went about everyday living. While those that a flu would affect greatly showed more precaution

(07-27-2020 11:57 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(07-27-2020 09:54 AM)MT FAN Wrote:  How many athletes to date of any age (high school, college, professional) have actually passed away or even had lasting problems from the corona virus? I would bet zero, but I honestly don't know.

Well, your bet would be wrong. But even if it weren't your statement is extremely shortsighted.

For starters, which university is going to take on the liability to be that one case where it does happen?

Second, what university is going to be on the hook for being responsible for community spread that a) increases case counts taxing medical resources; and b) leading to severe illness and deaths in the community?

Do you have a link to the athlete that died?

No one forces the athletes to play sports. If they are afraid for their health they can choose not to play. I don't see universities being held accountable for a flu strain that is harmless to the vast majority of people. Are they sued every flu season?

(07-27-2020 12:16 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  I mentioned the family member who is on a vent. Since there is so much sympathy among our C-USA brotheren (oh was that sarcastic, sorry), I thought I would share parts of a recent message from the family...

Day 13 of hospitalization
Joe continues to be agitated and requiring large amounts of sedation. With this agitation his oxygen levels drops into the 70’s. Today’s X-ray did not look as good as previous days. ?? he is being given lasix. Today has not been tiny steps forward but have to remind myself this is a marathon. Redacted (our special needs son) tested positive for Covid-19 in the emergency room today. He had an X-ray and it shows a small pneumonia that we are treating with antibiotcs.

Of course everything seem more important when its personal. I took it very personal when it was my brother but I'm also able to separate that from.... this same thing (different illness) takes place 100s, maybe even 1000s of times each and every day before covid.

Did you want to stop the world, then? I didnt so why would I expect it to just because my family member is the one sick this time.

For the record the message from the family is not first hand. They are not seeing this firsthand and are relying on a nurse to tell them what is happening. That is a 100% fact, unless that work on the covid floor.

I was told the covid protocol is no family members are allowed and once you enter....

all treatment must be brought to you. Other words if you require and scans or treatment that's not on that floor or cant be moved to that floor....you dont get it. I was told first hand by the head of the department that is protocol.

My brother almost died from from a old hemorrhoid scar tissue bleed after they put him on blood thinners. I was told they could not scan him for where the bleeding was coming from because he could not leave the floor. I asked for him to be scoped.

This is the call I received asking me to let him die. BTW this was the second time they asked me to let my brother die. The first one they told me he would probably never wake up and if he did wouldnt know anything. He had laid there for 5 days without coming to. Then I found out he was on a sedative they use in surgery, along with the strongest pain meds. After I requested him to be taken off this...

he work up 5 hours later pulled the feeding tube out after they removed his restraints (to clean the shiit off him) and started singing Elvis and Johnny Cash songs to the nurses.

That day they asked me to stop treatment and allow comfort care. After the below phone call my brother was removed from the covid floor 3 days later. Went home the next week. To this day shows no signs of the life affecting strokes they said would change him forever.

BTW this call was edited to stop it because of person info. The doctor went on to say a lot of families once a person gets at this point would rather make sure the person was comfortable. So you can see I dont take the things being told with covid as the honest truth.

(07-27-2020 01:24 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  For the record the message from the family is not first hand. They are not seeing this firsthand and are relying on a nurse to tell them what is happening. That is a 100% fact, unless that work on the covid floor.

I was told the covid protocol is no family members are allowed and once you enter....

all treatment must be brought to you. Other words if you require and scans or treatment that's not on that floor or cant be moved to that floor....you dont get it. I was told first hand by the head of the department that is protocol.

Not every hospital follows the same protocols. There is no federally mandated protocol to follow.

(07-27-2020 01:40 PM)Luckyshot Wrote:  

(07-27-2020 01:24 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  For the record the message from the family is not first hand. They are not seeing this firsthand and are relying on a nurse to tell them what is happening. That is a 100% fact, unless that work on the covid floor.

I was told the covid protocol is no family members are allowed and once you enter....

all treatment must be brought to you. Other words if you require and scans or treatment that's not on that floor or cant be moved to that floor....you dont get it. I was told first hand by the head of the department that is protocol.

Not every hospital follows the same protocols. There is no federally mandated protocol to follow.

They all are following federal guidelines on covid. Or they are suppose to but I'm sure some will take the meaning different. I seriouly doubt if any hospital is letting family do in person visits. They are allowing facetime visits.

(07-27-2020 01:24 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(07-27-2020 12:16 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  I mentioned the family member who is on a vent. Since there is so much sympathy among our C-USA brotheren (oh was that sarcastic, sorry), I thought I would share parts of a recent message from the family...

Day 13 of hospitalization
Joe continues to be agitated and requiring large amounts of sedation. With this agitation his oxygen levels drops into the 70’s. Today’s X-ray did not look as good as previous days. ?? he is being given lasix. Today has not been tiny steps forward but have to remind myself this is a marathon. Redacted (our special needs son) tested positive for Covid-19 in the emergency room today. He had an X-ray and it shows a small pneumonia that we are treating with antibiotcs.

Of course everything seem more important when its personal. I took it very personal when it was my brother but I'm also able to separate that from.... this same thing (different illness) takes place 100s, maybe even 1000s of times each and every day before covid.

Did you want to stop the world, then? I didnt so why would I expect it to just because my family member is the one sick this time.

For the record the message from the family is not first hand. They are not seeing this firsthand and are relying on a nurse to tell them what is happening. That is a 100% fact, unless that work on the covid floor.

I was told the covid protocol is no family members are allowed and once you enter....

all treatment must be brought to you. Other words if you require and scans or treatment that's not on that floor or cant be moved to that floor....you dont get it. I was told first hand by the head of the department that is protocol.

My brother almost died from from a old hemorrhoid scar tissue bleed after they put him on blood thinners. I was told they could not scan him for where the bleeding was coming from because he could not leave the floor. I asked for him to be scoped.

This is the call I received asking me to let him die. BTW this was the second time they asked me to let my brother die. The first one they told me he would probably never wake up and if he did wouldnt know anything. He had laid there for 5 days without coming to. Then I found out he was on a sedative they use in surgery, along with the strongest pain meds. After I requested him to be taken off this...

he work up 5 hours later pulled the feeding tube out after they removed his restraints (to clean the shiit off him) and started singing Elvis and Johnny Cash songs to the nurses.

That day they asked me to stop treatment and allow comfort care. After the below phone call my brother was removed from the covid floor 3 days later. Went home the next week. To this day shows no signs of the life affecting strokes they said would change him forever.

BTW this call was edited to stop it because of person info. The doctor went on to say a lot of families once a person gets at this point would rather make sure the person was comfortable. So you can see I dont take the things being told with covid as the honest truth.

I know a lot of people who work in hospitals. You should talk to them. This isn't about being personal. In eight or nine months the death toll globally has surpassed flu deaths in a typical year.

Like COVID, influenza rarely kills young health adults. For that we are lucky and fortunate. But this virus could evolve before there is an effective vaccine and do just that - kill young healthy people. Trying to compare this to the flu is deflecting the reality of what's happening. But you think what you want. You always have a way to spin some stat in your favor.

That said, one interesting thing that is happening is that influenza in the southern hemisphere where its winter has virtually disappeared because of COVID interventions. We won't be so fortunate here, because Americans are so f'n arrogant (or stupid take your pick) that we will get the wrath of both COVID and seasonal flu this year at the same time (something we didn't have to deal with yet). Can't wait for that.

(07-27-2020 02:09 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(07-27-2020 01:24 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(07-27-2020 12:16 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  I mentioned the family member who is on a vent. Since there is so much sympathy among our C-USA brotheren (oh was that sarcastic, sorry), I thought I would share parts of a recent message from the family...

Day 13 of hospitalization
Joe continues to be agitated and requiring large amounts of sedation. With this agitation his oxygen levels drops into the 70’s. Today’s X-ray did not look as good as previous days. ?? he is being given lasix. Today has not been tiny steps forward but have to remind myself this is a marathon. Redacted (our special needs son) tested positive for Covid-19 in the emergency room today. He had an X-ray and it shows a small pneumonia that we are treating with antibiotcs.

Of course everything seem more important when its personal. I took it very personal when it was my brother but I'm also able to separate that from.... this same thing (different illness) takes place 100s, maybe even 1000s of times each and every day before covid.

Did you want to stop the world, then? I didnt so why would I expect it to just because my family member is the one sick this time.

For the record the message from the family is not first hand. They are not seeing this firsthand and are relying on a nurse to tell them what is happening. That is a 100% fact, unless that work on the covid floor.

I was told the covid protocol is no family members are allowed and once you enter....

all treatment must be brought to you. Other words if you require and scans or treatment that's not on that floor or cant be moved to that floor....you dont get it. I was told first hand by the head of the department that is protocol.

My brother almost died from from a old hemorrhoid scar tissue bleed after they put him on blood thinners. I was told they could not scan him for where the bleeding was coming from because he could not leave the floor. I asked for him to be scoped.

This is the call I received asking me to let him die. BTW this was the second time they asked me to let my brother die. The first one they told me he would probably never wake up and if he did wouldnt know anything. He had laid there for 5 days without coming to. Then I found out he was on a sedative they use in surgery, along with the strongest pain meds. After I requested him to be taken off this...

he work up 5 hours later pulled the feeding tube out after they removed his restraints (to clean the shiit off him) and started singing Elvis and Johnny Cash songs to the nurses.

That day they asked me to stop treatment and allow comfort care. After the below phone call my brother was removed from the covid floor 3 days later. Went home the next week. To this day shows no signs of the life affecting strokes they said would change him forever.

BTW this call was edited to stop it because of person info. The doctor went on to say a lot of families once a person gets at this point would rather make sure the person was comfortable. So you can see I dont take the things being told with covid as the honest truth.

I know a lot of people who work in hospitals. You should talk to them. This isn't about being personal. In eight or nine months the death toll globally has surpassed flu deaths in a typical year.

Like COVID, influenza rarely kills young health adults. For that we are lucky and fortunate. But this virus could evolve before there is an effective vaccine and do just that - kill young healthy people. Trying to compare this to the flu is deflecting the reality of what's happening. But you think what you want. You always have a way to spin some stat in your favor.

That said, one interesting thing that is happening is that influenza in the southern hemisphere where its winter has virtually disappeared because of COVID interventions. We won't be so fortunate here, because Americans are so f'n arrogant (or stupid take your pick) that we will get the wrath of both COVID and seasonal flu this year at the same time (something we didn't have to deal with yet). Can't wait for that.

In this country alone, COVID outpaced the entire 2017/2018 flu season (which was heavier than the average flu season) for deaths in three months.

And, keep in mind, we know how to deal with flu to such a degree that we do not do anything different from normal during the flu season. COVID deaths have occurred despite our best efforts. I can only imagine how much worse it would have been had we not.