RE: Sigh. Are y'all seeing what's going on with MLB?
I hope that wasn't our best. Just wear a damn mask. Get life back to some sense of normalcy otherwise. These people who see it as infringement on rights/freedom. SMH.
RE: Sigh. Are y'all seeing what's going on with MLB?
(07-27-2020 02:09 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:
(07-27-2020 01:24 PM)WKUYG Wrote:
(07-27-2020 12:16 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote: I mentioned the family member who is on a vent. Since there is so much sympathy among our C-USA brotheren (oh was that sarcastic, sorry), I thought I would share parts of a recent message from the family...
Day 13 of hospitalization
Joe continues to be agitated and requiring large amounts of sedation. With this agitation his oxygen levels drops into the 70’s. Today’s X-ray did not look as good as previous days. ?? he is being given lasix. Today has not been tiny steps forward but have to remind myself this is a marathon. Redacted (our special needs son) tested positive for Covid-19 in the emergency room today. He had an X-ray and it shows a small pneumonia that we are treating with antibiotcs.
Of course everything seem more important when its personal. I took it very personal when it was my brother but I'm also able to separate that from.... this same thing (different illness) takes place 100s, maybe even 1000s of times each and every day before covid.
Did you want to stop the world, then? I didnt so why would I expect it to just because my family member is the one sick this time.
For the record the message from the family is not first hand. They are not seeing this firsthand and are relying on a nurse to tell them what is happening. That is a 100% fact, unless that work on the covid floor.
I was told the covid protocol is no family members are allowed and once you enter....
all treatment must be brought to you. Other words if you require and scans or treatment that's not on that floor or cant be moved to that floor....you dont get it. I was told first hand by the head of the department that is protocol.
My brother almost died from from a old hemorrhoid scar tissue bleed after they put him on blood thinners. I was told they could not scan him for where the bleeding was coming from because he could not leave the floor. I asked for him to be scoped.
This is the call I received asking me to let him die. BTW this was the second time they asked me to let my brother die. The first one they told me he would probably never wake up and if he did wouldnt know anything. He had laid there for 5 days without coming to. Then I found out he was on a sedative they use in surgery, along with the strongest pain meds. After I requested him to be taken off this...
he work up 5 hours later pulled the feeding tube out after they removed his restraints (to clean the shiit off him) and started singing Elvis and Johnny Cash songs to the nurses.
That day they asked me to stop treatment and allow comfort care. After the below phone call my brother was removed from the covid floor 3 days later. Went home the next week. To this day shows no signs of the life affecting strokes they said would change him forever.
BTW this call was edited to stop it because of person info. The doctor went on to say a lot of families once a person gets at this point would rather make sure the person was comfortable. So you can see I dont take the things being told with covid as the honest truth.
I know a lot of people who work in hospitals. You should talk to them. This isn't about being personal. In eight or nine months the death toll globally has surpassed flu deaths in a typical year.
Like COVID, influenza rarely kills young health adults. For that we are lucky and fortunate. But this virus could evolve before there is an effective vaccine and do just that - kill young healthy people. Trying to compare this to the flu is deflecting the reality of what's happening. But you think what you want. You always have a way to spin some stat in your favor.
That said, one interesting thing that is happening is that influenza in the southern hemisphere where its winter has virtually disappeared because of COVID interventions. We won't be so fortunate here, because Americans are so f'n arrogant (or stupid take your pick) that we will get the wrath of both COVID and seasonal flu this year at the same time (something we didn't have to deal with yet). Can't wait for that.
So tell me what stat did I spin? I took your point of view as someone that works(?) at the CDC that covid is so infection rate is so bad that healthy, young people cant play sports because of it.
I posted a google quote that said it was 16.3% and yes as you pointed out it was from china. But I asked you to post correct numbers if they weren't. I haven't seen any. But that's OK, if you dont have those numbers.
I then posted the rate for flu infections from those living in the same home. Wouldn't you agree that most spouses are closer than people playing sports? Most are closer with their children also? If you are going to catch it from a teammate I assume those having sex, would be closer. Kissing and hugging your child would be closer?
Well the rate for flu was 38% and as the stats, not just my opinion but stats from the CDC, points out. The flu attacks young, healthy people, a lot harder than covid does. Is that not correct?
So again where have I used incorrect stats or tried to spin them in any way other than the context we both are talking about?
We both had awful personal experiences with covid. We just came away from it with different opinions on how we think the world should react to it. I'm sure we both also had personal experiences with family members with cancer, alcoholism, drunk driving. We most likely come away with the same point of view....
with each of those we treat it as personal responsibility. Not the rest of the world changing to protect us or our love ones from things that can cause us harm or kill us.
As I said that is the way the world has reacted to everything like this. Well up till 2020
RE: Sigh. Are y'all seeing what's going on with MLB?
(07-27-2020 02:28 PM)goliath74 Wrote:
(07-27-2020 02:09 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:
(07-27-2020 01:24 PM)WKUYG Wrote:
(07-27-2020 12:16 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote: I mentioned the family member who is on a vent. Since there is so much sympathy among our C-USA brotheren (oh was that sarcastic, sorry), I thought I would share parts of a recent message from the family...
Day 13 of hospitalization
Joe continues to be agitated and requiring large amounts of sedation. With this agitation his oxygen levels drops into the 70’s. Today’s X-ray did not look as good as previous days. ?? he is being given lasix. Today has not been tiny steps forward but have to remind myself this is a marathon. Redacted (our special needs son) tested positive for Covid-19 in the emergency room today. He had an X-ray and it shows a small pneumonia that we are treating with antibiotcs.
Of course everything seem more important when its personal. I took it very personal when it was my brother but I'm also able to separate that from.... this same thing (different illness) takes place 100s, maybe even 1000s of times each and every day before covid.
Did you want to stop the world, then? I didnt so why would I expect it to just because my family member is the one sick this time.
For the record the message from the family is not first hand. They are not seeing this firsthand and are relying on a nurse to tell them what is happening. That is a 100% fact, unless that work on the covid floor.
I was told the covid protocol is no family members are allowed and once you enter....
all treatment must be brought to you. Other words if you require and scans or treatment that's not on that floor or cant be moved to that floor....you dont get it. I was told first hand by the head of the department that is protocol.
My brother almost died from from a old hemorrhoid scar tissue bleed after they put him on blood thinners. I was told they could not scan him for where the bleeding was coming from because he could not leave the floor. I asked for him to be scoped.
This is the call I received asking me to let him die. BTW this was the second time they asked me to let my brother die. The first one they told me he would probably never wake up and if he did wouldnt know anything. He had laid there for 5 days without coming to. Then I found out he was on a sedative they use in surgery, along with the strongest pain meds. After I requested him to be taken off this...
he work up 5 hours later pulled the feeding tube out after they removed his restraints (to clean the shiit off him) and started singing Elvis and Johnny Cash songs to the nurses.
That day they asked me to stop treatment and allow comfort care. After the below phone call my brother was removed from the covid floor 3 days later. Went home the next week. To this day shows no signs of the life affecting strokes they said would change him forever.
BTW this call was edited to stop it because of person info. The doctor went on to say a lot of families once a person gets at this point would rather make sure the person was comfortable. So you can see I dont take the things being told with covid as the honest truth.
I know a lot of people who work in hospitals. You should talk to them. This isn't about being personal. In eight or nine months the death toll globally has surpassed flu deaths in a typical year.
Like COVID, influenza rarely kills young health adults. For that we are lucky and fortunate. But this virus could evolve before there is an effective vaccine and do just that - kill young healthy people. Trying to compare this to the flu is deflecting the reality of what's happening. But you think what you want. You always have a way to spin some stat in your favor.
That said, one interesting thing that is happening is that influenza in the southern hemisphere where its winter has virtually disappeared because of COVID interventions. We won't be so fortunate here, because Americans are so f'n arrogant (or stupid take your pick) that we will get the wrath of both COVID and seasonal flu this year at the same time (something we didn't have to deal with yet). Can't wait for that.
In this country alone, COVID outpaced the entire 2017/2018 flu season (which was heavier than the average flu season) for deaths in three months.
And, keep in mind, we know how to deal with flu to such a degree that we do not do anything different from normal during the flu season. COVID deaths have occurred despite our best efforts. I can only imagine how much worse it would have been had we not.
That might be a great point to make if we were talking about oldtimers playing sports. That's not what this topic was about and I or no one else used the flu in the context you are using it.
In this group of people covid will affect most of those who get it no worse than a mild to bad cold. On the other hand we know the flu has killed a lot more in this age range than covid. We now that the common flu will attack healthy people in this age range a lot worse than covid.
Your argument would be about like if I said we cant let baseball player chew or dip because people die of cancer. And at this point even if there's not a cure. We have life saving treatment.
RE: Sigh. Are y'all seeing what's going on with MLB?
(07-27-2020 02:44 PM)WKUYG Wrote:
(07-27-2020 02:28 PM)goliath74 Wrote:
(07-27-2020 02:09 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:
(07-27-2020 01:24 PM)WKUYG Wrote:
(07-27-2020 12:16 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote: I mentioned the family member who is on a vent. Since there is so much sympathy among our C-USA brotheren (oh was that sarcastic, sorry), I thought I would share parts of a recent message from the family...
Day 13 of hospitalization
Joe continues to be agitated and requiring large amounts of sedation. With this agitation his oxygen levels drops into the 70’s. Today’s X-ray did not look as good as previous days. ?? he is being given lasix. Today has not been tiny steps forward but have to remind myself this is a marathon. Redacted (our special needs son) tested positive for Covid-19 in the emergency room today. He had an X-ray and it shows a small pneumonia that we are treating with antibiotcs.
Of course everything seem more important when its personal. I took it very personal when it was my brother but I'm also able to separate that from.... this same thing (different illness) takes place 100s, maybe even 1000s of times each and every day before covid.
Did you want to stop the world, then? I didnt so why would I expect it to just because my family member is the one sick this time.
For the record the message from the family is not first hand. They are not seeing this firsthand and are relying on a nurse to tell them what is happening. That is a 100% fact, unless that work on the covid floor.
I was told the covid protocol is no family members are allowed and once you enter....
all treatment must be brought to you. Other words if you require and scans or treatment that's not on that floor or cant be moved to that floor....you dont get it. I was told first hand by the head of the department that is protocol.
My brother almost died from from a old hemorrhoid scar tissue bleed after they put him on blood thinners. I was told they could not scan him for where the bleeding was coming from because he could not leave the floor. I asked for him to be scoped.
This is the call I received asking me to let him die. BTW this was the second time they asked me to let my brother die. The first one they told me he would probably never wake up and if he did wouldnt know anything. He had laid there for 5 days without coming to. Then I found out he was on a sedative they use in surgery, along with the strongest pain meds. After I requested him to be taken off this...
he work up 5 hours later pulled the feeding tube out after they removed his restraints (to clean the shiit off him) and started singing Elvis and Johnny Cash songs to the nurses.
That day they asked me to stop treatment and allow comfort care. After the below phone call my brother was removed from the covid floor 3 days later. Went home the next week. To this day shows no signs of the life affecting strokes they said would change him forever.
BTW this call was edited to stop it because of person info. The doctor went on to say a lot of families once a person gets at this point would rather make sure the person was comfortable. So you can see I dont take the things being told with covid as the honest truth.
I know a lot of people who work in hospitals. You should talk to them. This isn't about being personal. In eight or nine months the death toll globally has surpassed flu deaths in a typical year.
Like COVID, influenza rarely kills young health adults. For that we are lucky and fortunate. But this virus could evolve before there is an effective vaccine and do just that - kill young healthy people. Trying to compare this to the flu is deflecting the reality of what's happening. But you think what you want. You always have a way to spin some stat in your favor.
That said, one interesting thing that is happening is that influenza in the southern hemisphere where its winter has virtually disappeared because of COVID interventions. We won't be so fortunate here, because Americans are so f'n arrogant (or stupid take your pick) that we will get the wrath of both COVID and seasonal flu this year at the same time (something we didn't have to deal with yet). Can't wait for that.
In this country alone, COVID outpaced the entire 2017/2018 flu season (which was heavier than the average flu season) for deaths in three months.
And, keep in mind, we know how to deal with flu to such a degree that we do not do anything different from normal during the flu season. COVID deaths have occurred despite our best efforts. I can only imagine how much worse it would have been had we not.
That might be a great point to make if we were talking about oldtimers playing sports. That's not what this topic was about and I or no one else used the flu in the context you are using it.
In this group of people covid will affect most of those who get it no worse than a mild to bad cold. On the other hand we know the flu has killed a lot more in this age range than covid. We now that the common flu will attack healthy people in this age range a lot worse than covid.
Your argument would be about like if I said we cant let baseball player chew or dip because people die of cancer. And at this point even if there's not a cure. We have life saving treatment.
Athletes are just as likely to get COVID as the old people. The outcomes may be vastly different, but outside of the pre-teens and infants, all age groups seem to be very conducive to be infected with COVID.
Latest research shows that even teens are infected at the same clip as adults.
RE: Sigh. Are y'all seeing what's going on with MLB?
(07-27-2020 02:34 PM)WKUYG Wrote:
(07-27-2020 02:09 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:
(07-27-2020 01:24 PM)WKUYG Wrote:
(07-27-2020 12:16 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote: I mentioned the family member who is on a vent. Since there is so much sympathy among our C-USA brotheren (oh was that sarcastic, sorry), I thought I would share parts of a recent message from the family...
Day 13 of hospitalization
Joe continues to be agitated and requiring large amounts of sedation. With this agitation his oxygen levels drops into the 70’s. Today’s X-ray did not look as good as previous days. ?? he is being given lasix. Today has not been tiny steps forward but have to remind myself this is a marathon. Redacted (our special needs son) tested positive for Covid-19 in the emergency room today. He had an X-ray and it shows a small pneumonia that we are treating with antibiotcs.
Of course everything seem more important when its personal. I took it very personal when it was my brother but I'm also able to separate that from.... this same thing (different illness) takes place 100s, maybe even 1000s of times each and every day before covid.
Did you want to stop the world, then? I didnt so why would I expect it to just because my family member is the one sick this time.
For the record the message from the family is not first hand. They are not seeing this firsthand and are relying on a nurse to tell them what is happening. That is a 100% fact, unless that work on the covid floor.
I was told the covid protocol is no family members are allowed and once you enter....
all treatment must be brought to you. Other words if you require and scans or treatment that's not on that floor or cant be moved to that floor....you dont get it. I was told first hand by the head of the department that is protocol.
My brother almost died from from a old hemorrhoid scar tissue bleed after they put him on blood thinners. I was told they could not scan him for where the bleeding was coming from because he could not leave the floor. I asked for him to be scoped.
This is the call I received asking me to let him die. BTW this was the second time they asked me to let my brother die. The first one they told me he would probably never wake up and if he did wouldnt know anything. He had laid there for 5 days without coming to. Then I found out he was on a sedative they use in surgery, along with the strongest pain meds. After I requested him to be taken off this...
he work up 5 hours later pulled the feeding tube out after they removed his restraints (to clean the shiit off him) and started singing Elvis and Johnny Cash songs to the nurses.
That day they asked me to stop treatment and allow comfort care. After the below phone call my brother was removed from the covid floor 3 days later. Went home the next week. To this day shows no signs of the life affecting strokes they said would change him forever.
BTW this call was edited to stop it because of person info. The doctor went on to say a lot of families once a person gets at this point would rather make sure the person was comfortable. So you can see I dont take the things being told with covid as the honest truth.
I know a lot of people who work in hospitals. You should talk to them. This isn't about being personal. In eight or nine months the death toll globally has surpassed flu deaths in a typical year.
Like COVID, influenza rarely kills young health adults. For that we are lucky and fortunate. But this virus could evolve before there is an effective vaccine and do just that - kill young healthy people. Trying to compare this to the flu is deflecting the reality of what's happening. But you think what you want. You always have a way to spin some stat in your favor.
That said, one interesting thing that is happening is that influenza in the southern hemisphere where its winter has virtually disappeared because of COVID interventions. We won't be so fortunate here, because Americans are so f'n arrogant (or stupid take your pick) that we will get the wrath of both COVID and seasonal flu this year at the same time (something we didn't have to deal with yet). Can't wait for that.
So tell me what stat did I spin? I took your point of view as someone that works(?) at the CDC that covid is so infection rate is so bad that healthy, young people cant play sports because of it.
I posted a google quote that said it was 16.3% and yes as you pointed out it was from china. But I asked you to post correct numbers if they weren't. I haven't seen any. But that's OK, if you dont have those numbers.
I then posted the rate for flu infections from those living in the same home. Wouldn't you agree that most spouses are closer than people playing sports? Most are closer with their children also? If you are going to catch it from a teammate I assume those having sex, would be closer. Kissing and hugging your child would be closer?
Well the rate for flu was 38% and as the stats, not just my opinion but stats from the CDC, points out. The flu attacks young, healthy people, a lot harder than covid does. Is that not correct?
So again where have I used incorrect stats or tried to spin them in any way other than the context we both are talking about?
We both had awful personal experiences with covid. We just came away from it with different opinions on how we think the world should react to it. I'm sure we both also had personal experiences with family members with cancer, alcoholism, drunk driving. We most likely come away with the same point of view....
with each of those we treat it as personal responsibility. Not the rest of the world changing to protect us or our love ones from things that can cause us harm or kill us.
As I said that is the way the world has reacted to everything like this. Well up till 2020
Well, all I can say about all that is the Marlins young healthy guys can’t play because of it.
RE: Sigh. Are y'all seeing what's going on with MLB?
(07-27-2020 04:39 PM)stinkfist Wrote: my daughter and her roomie now have it.....hockey puckin A...
am I concerned....not one lick since they're healthy and young...
Good odds that’s exactly what will happen. The thing is how it affects people differently is really random. The healthcare folks I know who have been dealing with all this first hand says those that it attacks basically eats away the lungs. But I will keep all of y’all in my prayers that she sails through it with no complications. Please keep us posted if you don’t mind.
(This post was last modified: 07-27-2020 06:51 PM by ThreeifbyLightning.)
RE: Sigh. Are y'all seeing what's going on with MLB?
(07-27-2020 12:16 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote: I mentioned the family member who is on a vent. Since there is so much sympathy among our C-USA brotheren (oh was that sarcastic, sorry), I thought I would share parts of a recent message from the family...
Day 13 of hospitalization
Joe continues to be agitated and requiring large amounts of sedation. With this agitation his oxygen levels drops into the 70’s. Today’s X-ray did not look as good as previous days. ?? he is being given lasix. Today has not been tiny steps forward but have to remind myself this is a marathon. Redacted (our special needs son) tested positive for Covid-19 in the emergency room today. He had an X-ray and it shows a small pneumonia that we are treating with antibiotcs.
Boom! I’m scared to death for my 13 year old daughter. She has CP. If she contracts it, no telling what might happen to her. We are doing everything possible to keep her safe and healthy.
RE: Sigh. Are y'all seeing what's going on with MLB?
(07-27-2020 12:16 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote: I mentioned the family member who is on a vent. Since there is so much sympathy among our C-USA brotheren (oh was that sarcastic, sorry), I thought I would share parts of a recent message from the family...
Day 13 of hospitalization
Joe continues to be agitated and requiring large amounts of sedation. With this agitation his oxygen levels drops into the 70’s. Today’s X-ray did not look as good as previous days. ?? he is being given lasix. Today has not been tiny steps forward but have to remind myself this is a marathon. Redacted (our special needs son) tested positive for Covid-19 in the emergency room today. He had an X-ray and it shows a small pneumonia that we are treating with antibiotcs.
Friends of mine had it. High school graduating senior caught it from a friend who called to tell them to get tested. Test confirmed kid had it, but not the parents. Later that week mom went and got tested again because she lost her sense of smell and was in a bit of pain, confirmed. Dad ended up in the ICU for three week. Buddy just got back home with less lung capacity. Buddy is in his early 50s.
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Sigh. Are y'all seeing what's going on with MLB?
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