I want to believe we have been visited by extraterrestrials...but...I see no evidence to make me. I doubt these files will either.

(07-25-2020 10:38 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  I want to believe we have been visited by extraterrestrials...but...I see no evidence to make me. I doubt these files will either.

I've always found the Astronauts stories of UFO's to be intriguing. I find the shows on television to range from the absurd in their manipulation of the material to entertaining. And having always had an attraction to redheads I found I wanted to believe agent Scully far more than agent Mulder. And knowing our government I found the cigarette smoking man to be wholly credible.

(07-25-2020 10:45 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(07-25-2020 10:38 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  I want to believe we have been visited by extraterrestrials...but...I see no evidence to make me. I doubt these files will either.

I've always found the Astronauts stories of UFO's to be intriguing. I find the shows on television to range from the absurd in their manipulation of the material to entertaining. And having always had an attraction to redheads I found I wanted to believe agent Scully far more than agent Mulder. And knowing our government I found the cigarette smoking man to be wholly credible.

I loved that show.

I maintain that if there is a conspiracy to hide the truth from the public?...That conspiracy would have to be so vast and intricate.. that it is inconceivable.

I think some of this might of had to do with the cold war. Ive wondered if our government intentionally propped up these theories in order to make the USSR think we might have obtained some alien technological advantage.

(07-25-2020 10:13 AM)memtigbb Wrote:  Oh no, I am willing to say God was able to create himself and the universe was also..

or the universe is eternal...

what applies to one can apply to the other.

Using that same "logic" you must also believe your phone could create itself as well. If you wait long it enough, it will create a design, the atoms and elements will come together on their own and it will program itself and activate.

I think you know as well as everyone else that that is utter nonsense. A thing cannot design and create itself, much less before it even exists.

Much less the entire universe designing and creating itself from nothingness.

These are not serious positions and ideas. Its time people start facing that fact.

(07-25-2020 10:56 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(07-25-2020 10:45 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(07-25-2020 10:38 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  I want to believe we have been visited by extraterrestrials...but...I see no evidence to make me. I doubt these files will either.

I've always found the Astronauts stories of UFO's to be intriguing. I find the shows on television to range from the absurd in their manipulation of the material to entertaining. And having always had an attraction to redheads I found I wanted to believe agent Scully far more than agent Mulder. And knowing our government I found the cigarette smoking man to be wholly credible.

I loved that show.

I maintain that if there is a conspiracy to hide the truth from the public?...That conspiracy would have to be so vast and intricate.. that it is inconceivable.

I think some of this might of had to do with the cold war. Ive wondered if our government intentionally propped up these theories in order to make the USSR think we might have obtained some alien technological advantage.

I used to tell myself that they were prepping the public to revealed them at some future date.

I now realize that it was sci-fi TV and moves that programmed me to think along those lines.

I think a lot of people have a hard time admitting how much TV and movies program how we think and reason. Its even called "programming" lol. Our ego and pride convinces us that its not as powerful of a influence as it is. At least for us as individuals.

Again I fully believe some UFO sightings are absolutely real. I just don't believe they are an alien race. But some people are seeing unnatural phenomena.

(07-25-2020 08:16 AM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  Some things man will forever argue yet never know.

You can ask Jesus when you die all the questions you want. I don't know if he would answer you though. Remember in the Bible how he would answer when asked a question? He'd make you figure it out by yourself like many things he said in the Bible. LOL

(07-25-2020 10:11 AM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  I say, put all the UFO data they have out there.

They used to deny the existence of evidence and covered by saying it would cause panic. I believe the real reason is that our military knows that there are things out there that far exceed any technology found on earth. The fact that we don't really know what it is scares and maybe embarrasses our military. Often sightings are near nuclear facilities or military bases. When we have closed airspace above, say, the white house and these unidentified objects can come and go there and there is nothing we can do about it, it bothers the control freaks in our government.

It is possible, I suppose, for it to be human technology (reverse engineered) that nobody knows about but I highly doubt it. Far too advanced for our present understanding of even our brightest minds.

Also, just because something is termed a UFO does not mean it contains aliens, or little green men. Simply means unidentified.

Have any of you seen something that could not be identified? I have and stayed quiet about it until I saw others who saw the same thing and were talking about it. Happened in the last five years and what I saw fits the description of many different sightings around the world. Made me much less skeptical than I had been up to that point.

You're right Bronco, I've also seen some stuff that many people have seen but I only tell my friends about it. I took a pic of one of those things too, the one that resembles a silvery balloon that I KNOW couldn't have been a weather balloon as I've seen many of them and know what they look like having worked at the airport for many years. Aircraft I know by heart as I've serviced and marshalled into parking areas too so it wasn't a helicopter.

That sphere that I saw was just standing there in the exact spot for a long time. That day was very windy and clouds were headed in a northeastern direction at a fast pace. The object went against the direction of the wind and started drifting to a southwestern direction. Balloons don't do that. I have the pic but it's fuzzy as it was taken with my cellphone. That's not the first and last thing I've seen though.

One other thing was at night. A very bright light was shining from almost the exact spot that sphere I told you about was. I looked at it and looked and all of a sudden it brightened tremendously and then like a flash (or the looney tunes video) it went entirely black, like it had eaten itself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9FmFtJNRqM


At the 2 minute 40 second mark in this video is what I saw which I told you about.

Another thing: Do you guys remember a while back when people were hearing weird screeching and banging noises in the atmosphere and no one could find out what it was. I heard them too at night. I thought it was the warehouses that are close to my house but it couldn't have been that because if it was I would have heard them ALL the time but what I heard was only for a few days. I was even tempted to drive out to the warehouses to see if that was what it was but it was really late at night and I love sleep more.

A lot of people are unaware that the Bible clearly describes a mechanical flying ship in Ezekiel chapter 1. Its actually a mixture of a futuristic mechanical ship and angelic beings. Its a giant platform with God's throne on it, and he describes the wheel within wheels he saw and how the ship operated and moved as it came down from above.

Its a remarkable vision of what people today would call a UFO that was written down over 2500 years ago.

Well, petroglyphs all over the SW United States show giants among the populations also in their carvings. Are those giants aliens? Who knows? But what is consistent is that these appear in many different places widely separated by geography, where the carvings were done by different peoples.

Not proof but suggestive. Were they visited?

(07-25-2020 01:13 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  Well, petroglyphs all over the SW United States show giants among the populations also in their carvings. Are those giants aliens? Who knows? But what is consistent is that these appear in many different places widely separated by geography, where the carvings were done by different peoples.

Not proof but suggestive. Were they visited?

Ever read Genesis 6? It describes alien beings (fallen angels) coming down to the earth, corrupting man and breeding with the women producing giants as their offspring. The KJB calls them "nephilim". This was actually one of the reasons for the world wide flood, to kill off most of these mixed bloodlines and giants. That plus all flesh on the earth had totally and willfully corrupted itself with wickedness nonstop.

But you are on the right track connecting the dots with ancient giants and "alien" visitation from the stars. Egyptian hieroglyphs also show how these beings came down from the heavens.

The earth was once filled with giants, probably seen as "titans". It looks like America was filled with them both before and after the flood. We have a ton of those huge mounds and lots of other evidence.

There's billions of stars and planets and there's people that state that why would God create the earth and heavens and only populate the earth. There's no telling that perhaps God did populate those planets that could sustain life too and not tell us about it. I've read the Bible and it says that in the last days when Jesus returns he'll be fighting Satans forces in the sky and heavens. Maybe it's the battle like Battlestar Gallactica with the good guys fighting the bad guys.

Eric might argue that the Lord is not a spaceman but what if He is. That still doesn't take away the fact that he had the power to create us and everything we see in the sky. If He is a spaceman per se and has the power to do all things why is it that we can't call him a God. If He can create you and take your life wheneve He wishes it still makes Him God, or no? If He can send you to heaven or to hell wouldn't that make Him our Ultimate Judge too? Read the last chapters of the Bible and refute the idea that I just made. Remember that God gave us a soul and it says that we can't enter heaven in bodily form I believe that the soul can be the spiritbody that He tells us about. But, with the power of becoming earthly like the angels that we hear about in the Bible, for instance, in Sodom and Gomorrha, with Daniel, with Abraham and Sarah, etc.

(07-25-2020 11:39 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(07-25-2020 10:56 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(07-25-2020 10:45 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(07-25-2020 10:38 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  I want to believe we have been visited by extraterrestrials...but...I see no evidence to make me. I doubt these files will either.

I've always found the Astronauts stories of UFO's to be intriguing. I find the shows on television to range from the absurd in their manipulation of the material to entertaining. And having always had an attraction to redheads I found I wanted to believe agent Scully far more than agent Mulder. And knowing our government I found the cigarette smoking man to be wholly credible.

I loved that show.

I maintain that if there is a conspiracy to hide the truth from the public?...That conspiracy would have to be so vast and intricate.. that it is inconceivable.

I think some of this might of had to do with the cold war. Ive wondered if our government intentionally propped up these theories in order to make the USSR think we might have obtained some alien technological advantage.

I used to tell myself that they were prepping the public to revealed them at some future date.

I now realize that it was sci-fi TV and moves that programmed me to think along those lines.

I think a lot of people have a hard time admitting how much TV and movies program how we think and reason. Its even called "programming" lol. Our ego and pride convinces us that its not as powerful of a influence as it is. At least for us as individuals.

Again I fully believe some UFO sightings are absolutely real. I just don't believe they are an alien race. But some people are seeing unnatural phenomena.

Yes..and sometimes just a hoax...
When I was around 10yrs old myself and 2 friends wrapped ourselves in tin foil (including football helmets) and walked by a highway in Lumberton NC. Within 15 mins after we ran back to the house... the police and sheriffs depts. were cruising the road back and forth in a search. The next day in the newspaper people claimed they had seen aliens walking around and saw strange lights in the sky. Believe it or not that incident was reported in one of those UFO sighting magazines.

(07-25-2020 01:04 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  A lot of people are unaware that the Bible clearly describes a mechanical flying ship in Ezekiel chapter 1. Its actually a mixture of a futuristic mechanical ship and angelic beings. Its a giant platform with God's throne on it, and he describes the wheel within wheels he saw and how the ship operated and moved as it came down from above.

Its a remarkable vision of what people today would call a UFO that was written down over 2500 years ago.

Thats interesting..Maybe that is actually a true story relayed without the biases that we have today.
There is no doubt that when unexplained natural phenomenons occur its human nature to let our minds explore SciFi explanations. We have seen so much of this stuff on TV that we instantly want it to be of alien nature. Even the stories relayed by professional pilots and astronauts have to be taken with skepticism because of this bias.

(07-25-2020 02:04 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(07-25-2020 11:39 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(07-25-2020 10:56 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(07-25-2020 10:45 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(07-25-2020 10:38 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  I want to believe we have been visited by extraterrestrials...but...I see no evidence to make me. I doubt these files will either.

I've always found the Astronauts stories of UFO's to be intriguing. I find the shows on television to range from the absurd in their manipulation of the material to entertaining. And having always had an attraction to redheads I found I wanted to believe agent Scully far more than agent Mulder. And knowing our government I found the cigarette smoking man to be wholly credible.

I loved that show.

I maintain that if there is a conspiracy to hide the truth from the public?...That conspiracy would have to be so vast and intricate.. that it is inconceivable.

I think some of this might of had to do with the cold war. Ive wondered if our government intentionally propped up these theories in order to make the USSR think we might have obtained some alien technological advantage.

I used to tell myself that they were prepping the public to revealed them at some future date.

I now realize that it was sci-fi TV and moves that programmed me to think along those lines.

I think a lot of people have a hard time admitting how much TV and movies program how we think and reason. Its even called "programming" lol. Our ego and pride convinces us that its not as powerful of a influence as it is. At least for us as individuals.

Again I fully believe some UFO sightings are absolutely real. I just don't believe they are an alien race. But some people are seeing unnatural phenomena.

Yes..and sometimes just a hoax...
When I was around 10yrs old myself and 2 friends wrapped ourselves in tin foil (including football helmets) and walked by a highway in Lumberton NC. Within 15 mins after we ran back to the house... the police and sheriffs depts. were cruising the road back and forth in a search. The next day in the newspaper people claimed they had seen aliens walking around and saw strange lights in the sky. Believe it or not that incident was reported in one of those UFO sighting magazines.

I KNEW it! I knew you were an alien.

(07-25-2020 01:40 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  There's no telling that perhaps God did populate those planets that could sustain life too and not tell us about it. I've read the Bible and it says that in the last days when Jesus returns he'll be fighting Satans forces in the sky and heavens. Maybe it's the battle like Battlestar Gallactica with the good guys fighting the bad guys.

Well those are fun things to discuss and ponder. I have many times myself and still do.

The reason that doesn't fit with the Bible is it contradicts a lot of scripture. All of creation (the entire universe) fell with Adams sin. The entire universe is created, destroyed and recreated based on specific events on Earth. God is very specific and detailed about the fact that the earth and man is the center of the universe from His perspective. Also there are a lot of passages that talk about the stars and the universe in context of mankind and Gods ultimate plan and work, and the text really leaves no room for it. Even the stars, constellations and galaxies are laid out in such a manner to speak to the people of the earth beyond the limits of a language barrier.

The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament shows His handiwork. Day unto day utters speech, and night unto night reveals knowledge. There is no speech nor language where their voice is not heard. Ps 19:1-3

The vastness of the universe compared to the earth is really meant to display to man His glory, power and authority to man. Also to show how centered all of creation is around man and the earth for the Fathers purpose.

The war in heaven is actually an event that specifically takes place in the 3rd heaven where God dwells, not space. We also know the war is specifically between the angels and no flesh is involved.

I think it fits better Bibilcally that He may be populating other worlds in the New heavens and New earth, AFTER death and sin have passed away forever. It makes more sense also because all the saints will be eternal righteous Gods like our Father, as His children He would want us directly involved and spearheading His work and teaching all of creation ye to come about Him.

Never the less these are always fascinating things to ponder and discuss.

(07-25-2020 01:40 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  There's billions of stars and planets and there's people that state that why would God create the earth and heavens and only populate the earth. There's no telling that perhaps God did populate those planets that could sustain life too and not tell us about it. I've read the Bible and it says that in the last days when Jesus returns he'll be fighting Satans forces in the sky and heavens. Maybe it's the battle like Battlestar Gallactica with the good guys fighting the bad guys.

Eric might argue that the Lord is not a spaceman but what if He is. That still doesn't take away the fact that he had the power to create us and everything we see in the sky. If He is a spaceman per se and has the power to do all things why is it that we can't call him a God. If He can create you and take your life wheneve He wishes it still makes Him God, or no? If He can send you to heaven or to hell wouldn't that make Him our Ultimate Judge too? Read the last chapters of the Bible and refute the idea that I just made. Remember that God gave us a soul and it says that we can't enter heaven in bodily form I believe that the soul can be the spiritbody that He tells us about. But, with the power of becoming earthly like the angels that we hear about in the Bible, for instance, in Sodom and Gomorrha, with Daniel, with Abraham and Sarah, etc.

If the universe is God's creation...then any theory put forth is certainly possible. Thus far however..there is not a shred of scientific evidence to back up anything except that Earth today has the only life forms with advanced capabilities. I think there is some evidence of microbial life and such but nothing close to what is on Earth.
I believe the Goldilocks zone theory is valid and thus far we are the only planet old enough in one to have advanced life. That does not mean that it can't be repeated elsewhere with similar or different results.

(07-25-2020 02:19 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  

(07-25-2020 02:04 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(07-25-2020 11:39 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(07-25-2020 10:56 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(07-25-2020 10:45 AM)JRsec Wrote:  I've always found the Astronauts stories of UFO's to be intriguing. I find the shows on television to range from the absurd in their manipulation of the material to entertaining. And having always had an attraction to redheads I found I wanted to believe agent Scully far more than agent Mulder. And knowing our government I found the cigarette smoking man to be wholly credible.

I loved that show.

I maintain that if there is a conspiracy to hide the truth from the public?...That conspiracy would have to be so vast and intricate.. that it is inconceivable.

I think some of this might of had to do with the cold war. Ive wondered if our government intentionally propped up these theories in order to make the USSR think we might have obtained some alien technological advantage.

I used to tell myself that they were prepping the public to revealed them at some future date.

I now realize that it was sci-fi TV and moves that programmed me to think along those lines.

I think a lot of people have a hard time admitting how much TV and movies program how we think and reason. Its even called "programming" lol. Our ego and pride convinces us that its not as powerful of a influence as it is. At least for us as individuals.

Again I fully believe some UFO sightings are absolutely real. I just don't believe they are an alien race. But some people are seeing unnatural phenomena.

Yes..and sometimes just a hoax...
When I was around 10yrs old myself and 2 friends wrapped ourselves in tin foil (including football helmets) and walked by a highway in Lumberton NC. Within 15 mins after we ran back to the house... the police and sheriffs depts. were cruising the road back and forth in a search. The next day in the newspaper people claimed they had seen aliens walking around and saw strange lights in the sky. Believe it or not that incident was reported in one of those UFO sighting magazines.

I KNEW it! I knew you were an alien.

FoShizzle LOL

(07-25-2020 02:23 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(07-25-2020 01:40 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  There's no telling that perhaps God did populate those planets that could sustain life too and not tell us about it. I've read the Bible and it says that in the last days when Jesus returns he'll be fighting Satans forces in the sky and heavens. Maybe it's the battle like Battlestar Gallactica with the good guys fighting the bad guys.

Well those are fun things to discuss and ponder. I have many times myself and still do.

The reason that doesn't fit with the Bible is it contradicts a lot of scripture. All of creation (the entire universe) fell with Adams sin. The entire universe is created, destroyed and recreated based on specific events on Earth. God is very specific and detailed about the fact that the earth and man is the center of the universe from His perspective. Also there are a lot of passages that talk about the stars and the universe in context of mankind and Gods ultimate plan and work, and the text really leaves no room for it. Even the stars, constellations and galaxies are laid out in such a manner to speak to the people of the earth beyond the limits of a language barrier.

The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament shows His handiwork. Day unto day utters speech, and night unto night reveals knowledge. There is no speech nor language where their voice is not heard. Ps 19:1-3

The vastness of the universe compared to the earth is really meant to display to man His glory, power and authority to man. Also to show how centered all of creation is around man and the earth for the Fathers purpose.

The war in heaven is actually an event that specifically takes place in the 3rd heaven where God dwells, not space. We also know the war is specifically between the angels and no flesh is involved.

I think it fits better Bibilcally that He may be populating other worlds in the New heavens and New earth, AFTER death and sin have passed away forever. It makes more sense also because all the saints will be eternal righteous Gods like our Father, as His children He would want us directly involved and spearheading His work and teaching all of creation ye to come about Him.

Never the less these are always fascinating things to ponder and discuss.

This stuff has always been fascinating to me. I wonder how many kids today lay out in the yard as I did and look at the night sky in wonder? Something tells me not that many..and..that is a damn shame.

(07-25-2020 02:13 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(07-25-2020 01:04 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  A lot of people are unaware that the Bible clearly describes a mechanical flying ship in Ezekiel chapter 1. Its actually a mixture of a futuristic mechanical ship and angelic beings. Its a giant platform with God's throne on it, and he describes the wheel within wheels he saw and how the ship operated and moved as it came down from above.

Its a remarkable vision of what people today would call a UFO that was written down over 2500 years ago.

Thats interesting..Maybe that is actually a true story relayed without the biases that we have today.
There is no doubt that when unexplained natural phenomenons occur its human nature to let our minds explore SciFi explanations. We have seen so much of this stuff on TV that we instantly want it to be of alien nature. Even the stories relayed by professional pilots and astronauts have to be taken with skepticism because of this bias.

Agreed.

Like the much better known book of Isaiah, the book of Ezekiel is one of the most amazing and undeniable witnesses that the Bible is truly Gods eternal Word. Most Christian hardly ever read it though, and don't really know much about it at all.

It contains some of the most amazingly impossible and detailed prophecies found anywhere in the Bible or world. Its a book CLEARLY not written by man, but by a God who exists outside of space and time. Even the most hardened critics of the Bible can't even begin to refute it and want nothing to do with it.

For example:

https://www.theprophecies.com/the-return...jerusalem/