https://www.huffpost.com/entry/ufo-off-w...6fbf404a07

Article claims Pentagon is about to declassify certain UFO data.

Now the ultimate source is an anonymous NY Times source, so take it FWIW.

(07-24-2020 03:31 PM)bullet Wrote:  https://www.huffpost.com/entry/ufo-off-w...6fbf404a07

Article claims Pentagon is about to declassify certain UFO data.

Now the ultimate source is an anonymous NY Times source, so take it FWIW.

Too many sightings by pilots and sailors with more and more being caught on video. They have to get out in front of it. The world's drone game is decades ahead of what people think. We have drones that are both enormous and nearly microscopic that are capable of amazing maneuvers and speeds nearly invisible to the naked eye. Former intelligence people are getting testimony and videos from current and former military personnel with first hand knowledge. Now where this technology comes from is a different story.

Since the Navy acknowledged the Nimitz encounter, I've wondered why this hasn't been getting way more attention. These are Navy pilots and radar operators. I've watched some of the interviews of the men and women that witnessed it and they are very believable. Maybe it is some super secret Skunk Works project where even the top brass are not in the loop, but if so why would they be testing around Naval operations and why would the Navy be allowed to release the video?

(07-24-2020 04:57 PM)HCJag Wrote:  Since the Navy acknowledged the Nimitz encounter, I've wondered why this hasn't been getting way more attention. These are Navy pilots and radar operators. I've watched some of the interviews of the men and women that witnessed it and they are very believable. Maybe it is some super secret Skunk Works project where even the top brass are not in the loop, but if so why would they be testing around Naval operations and why would the Navy be allowed to release the video?

Plausible deniability if indeed they are advanced skunkworks projects. "They aren't ours? We want to know what and whose they are too!" That frees their use without direct accountability.

The declassification of material will be so old as to not to interfere with advanced generation technology and it too will only reinforce plausible deniability.

(07-24-2020 05:07 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(07-24-2020 04:57 PM)HCJag Wrote:  Since the Navy acknowledged the Nimitz encounter, I've wondered why this hasn't been getting way more attention. These are Navy pilots and radar operators. I've watched some of the interviews of the men and women that witnessed it and they are very believable. Maybe it is some super secret Skunk Works project where even the top brass are not in the loop, but if so why would they be testing around Naval operations and why would the Navy be allowed to release the video?

Plausible deniability if indeed they are advanced skunkworks projects. "They aren't ours? We want to know what and whose they are too!" That frees their use without direct accountability.

The declassification of material will be so old as to not to interfere with advanced generation technology and it too will only reinforce plausible deniability.

We must have secretly developed some awesome super "discovery of electricity" level of new tech for them to be propping up and allowing this UFO foolishness to blossom.

We live in a strange time when even a lot of supposed born again Christians are 10 times more excited and convinced that aliens are real than Jesus.

I can understand the secular excitement and obsession with the topic, I was a very secular for much of my life and I was obsessed with aliens too. Mankind has a strong need to believe in something higher and more evolved than himself, and if he rejects Christ he will fill that void with something. And there is very real spiritual activity, particularity in the sky and space. In fact the Bible teaches specifically that Satan and his followers are the princes of the skies and in high places. They were cast out of the Mt of God on high (3rd heaven) and now dwell in the 1st and 2nd heavens (The sky and space).

As a Bible believing Christian, its such an amazing realization of truth that Earth and man are at the very center of the Fathers attention at all times, we are the only creatures in the entire universe that are made in His image, all the universe is but a backdrop to Man and the earth. I have heard so many secular scientists and physicists talk about how insignificant man is compared to the universe, its one of Satan's biggest deceptions to rob man of the realization of his indescribably special place in the universe and in God's. Not only are we NOT insignificant, we are the most significant and import part of all creation.

What is it? 100 or so documents with so much redacted you can get maybe 1 or 2 sentences worth of info?

https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/port...-stations/

"As a Bible believing Christian, its such an amazing realization of truth that Earth and man are at the very center of the Fathers attention at all times, we are the only creatures in the entire universe that are made in His image,..."

Remember what we said about Satan and his demons are walking the earth as we speak. Well, I don't think woman can be said that she was made in the image of God. These people are Godless and don't even believe in the Lord, is my opinion.

(07-24-2020 05:59 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  We live in a strange time when even a lot of supposed born again Christians are 10 times more excited and convinced that aliens are real than Jesus.

I can understand the secular excitement and obsession with the topic, I was a very secular for much of my life and I was obsessed with aliens too. Mankind has a strong need to believe in something higher and more evolved than himself, and if he rejects Christ he will fill that void with something. And there is very real spiritual activity, particularity in the sky and space. In fact the Bible teaches specifically that Satan and his followers are the princes of the skies and in high places. They were cast out of the Mt of God on high (3rd heaven) and now dwell in the 1st and 2nd heavens (The sky and space).

As a Bible believing Christian, its such an amazing realization of truth that Earth and man are at the very center of the Fathers attention at all times, we are the only creatures in the entire universe that are made in His image, all the universe is but a backdrop to Man and the earth. I have heard so many secular scientists and physicists talk about how insignificant man is compared to the universe, its one of Satan's biggest deceptions to rob man of the realization of his indescribably special place in the universe and in God's. Not only are we NOT insignificant, we are the most significant and import part of all creation.

I have a bridge for sale if you don’t think there is life elsewhere in the 100-200 billion galaxies besides ours...taking the lower number of that range due to current technology limits, figure 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 stars (that's 1 billion trillion stars), factor in planets around those 1 billion trillion stars...yeah, we are all alone out in our backwater spiral arm of the Milky Way. It’s just us. Mmm hmm.

(07-24-2020 05:59 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  We live in a strange time when even a lot of supposed born again Christians are 10 times more excited and convinced that aliens are real than Jesus.

I can understand the secular excitement and obsession with the topic, I was a very secular for much of my life and I was obsessed with aliens too. Mankind has a strong need to believe in something higher and more evolved than himself, and if he rejects Christ he will fill that void with something. And there is very real spiritual activity, particularity in the sky and space. In fact the Bible teaches specifically that Satan and his followers are the princes of the skies and in high places. They were cast out of the Mt of God on high (3rd heaven) and now dwell in the 1st and 2nd heavens (The sky and space).

As a Bible believing Christian, its such an amazing realization of truth that Earth and man are at the very center of the Fathers attention at all times, we are the only creatures in the entire universe that are made in His image, all the universe is but a backdrop to Man and the earth. I have heard so many secular scientists and physicists talk about how insignificant man is compared to the universe, its one of Satan's biggest deceptions to rob man of the realization of his indescribably special place in the universe and in God's. Not only are we NOT insignificant, we are the most significant and import part of all creation.

I was excited about the release of UFO information and she got aggravated and said what about Jesus? She said UFO’s are a bunch of crap. I just read her your post and she agrees 100% with what you wrote.

(07-24-2020 09:16 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(07-24-2020 05:59 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  We live in a strange time when even a lot of supposed born again Christians are 10 times more excited and convinced that aliens are real than Jesus.

I can understand the secular excitement and obsession with the topic, I was a very secular for much of my life and I was obsessed with aliens too. Mankind has a strong need to believe in something higher and more evolved than himself, and if he rejects Christ he will fill that void with something. And there is very real spiritual activity, particularity in the sky and space. In fact the Bible teaches specifically that Satan and his followers are the princes of the skies and in high places. They were cast out of the Mt of God on high (3rd heaven) and now dwell in the 1st and 2nd heavens (The sky and space).

As a Bible believing Christian, its such an amazing realization of truth that Earth and man are at the very center of the Fathers attention at all times, we are the only creatures in the entire universe that are made in His image, all the universe is but a backdrop to Man and the earth. I have heard so many secular scientists and physicists talk about how insignificant man is compared to the universe, its one of Satan's biggest deceptions to rob man of the realization of his indescribably special place in the universe and in God's. Not only are we NOT insignificant, we are the most significant and import part of all creation.

I have a bridge for sale if you don’t think there is life elsewhere in the 100-200 billion galaxies besides ours...taking the lower number of that range due to current technology limits, figure 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 stars (that's 1 billion trillion stars), factor in planets around those 1 billion trillion stars...yeah, we are all alone out in our backwater spiral arm of the Milky Way. It’s just us. Mmm hmm.

Oh the irony of these type arguments.

Ever looked up the math on the chances the universe just spontaneously created itself from total nothingness?

Just consider your laptop or phone. You could wait a gazillion, gazillion, gazillion years to the 100th power and it would never just spontaneously create and program itself. There is not a sane person in the world who would look at your laptop or computer and say it could created itself.

Yet the universe is INFINITELY more complex and finely tuned, even a single strand of human DNA is infinitely more complex and fine tuned. Yet science maintains that it all created, programed and finely tuned itself from total nothingness for no reason at all. Mmm hmm.

(07-25-2020 05:31 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(07-24-2020 09:16 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(07-24-2020 05:59 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  We live in a strange time when even a lot of supposed born again Christians are 10 times more excited and convinced that aliens are real than Jesus.

I can understand the secular excitement and obsession with the topic, I was a very secular for much of my life and I was obsessed with aliens too. Mankind has a strong need to believe in something higher and more evolved than himself, and if he rejects Christ he will fill that void with something. And there is very real spiritual activity, particularity in the sky and space. In fact the Bible teaches specifically that Satan and his followers are the princes of the skies and in high places. They were cast out of the Mt of God on high (3rd heaven) and now dwell in the 1st and 2nd heavens (The sky and space).

As a Bible believing Christian, its such an amazing realization of truth that Earth and man are at the very center of the Fathers attention at all times, we are the only creatures in the entire universe that are made in His image, all the universe is but a backdrop to Man and the earth. I have heard so many secular scientists and physicists talk about how insignificant man is compared to the universe, its one of Satan's biggest deceptions to rob man of the realization of his indescribably special place in the universe and in God's. Not only are we NOT insignificant, we are the most significant and import part of all creation.

I have a bridge for sale if you don’t think there is life elsewhere in the 100-200 billion galaxies besides ours...taking the lower number of that range due to current technology limits, figure 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 stars (that's 1 billion trillion stars), factor in planets around those 1 billion trillion stars...yeah, we are all alone out in our backwater spiral arm of the Milky Way. It’s just us. Mmm hmm.

Oh the irony of these type arguments.

Ever looked up the math on the chances the universe just spontaneously created itself from total nothingness?

Just consider your laptop or phone. You could wait a gazillion, gazillion, gazillion years to the 100th power and it would never just spontaneously create and program itself. There is not a sane person in the world who would look at your laptop or computer and say it could created itself.

Yet the universe is INFINITELY more complex and finely tuned, even a single strand of human DNA is infinitely more complex and fine tuned. Yet science maintains that it all created, programed and finely tuned itself from total nothingness for no reason at all. Mmm hmm.

So the universe needs something to create it, but that something wouldnt need anything to create IT?

Makes tons of sense.

(07-25-2020 07:10 AM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(07-25-2020 05:31 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(07-24-2020 09:16 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(07-24-2020 05:59 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  We live in a strange time when even a lot of supposed born again Christians are 10 times more excited and convinced that aliens are real than Jesus.

I can understand the secular excitement and obsession with the topic, I was a very secular for much of my life and I was obsessed with aliens too. Mankind has a strong need to believe in something higher and more evolved than himself, and if he rejects Christ he will fill that void with something. And there is very real spiritual activity, particularity in the sky and space. In fact the Bible teaches specifically that Satan and his followers are the princes of the skies and in high places. They were cast out of the Mt of God on high (3rd heaven) and now dwell in the 1st and 2nd heavens (The sky and space).

As a Bible believing Christian, its such an amazing realization of truth that Earth and man are at the very center of the Fathers attention at all times, we are the only creatures in the entire universe that are made in His image, all the universe is but a backdrop to Man and the earth. I have heard so many secular scientists and physicists talk about how insignificant man is compared to the universe, its one of Satan's biggest deceptions to rob man of the realization of his indescribably special place in the universe and in God's. Not only are we NOT insignificant, we are the most significant and import part of all creation.

I have a bridge for sale if you don’t think there is life elsewhere in the 100-200 billion galaxies besides ours...taking the lower number of that range due to current technology limits, figure 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 stars (that's 1 billion trillion stars), factor in planets around those 1 billion trillion stars...yeah, we are all alone out in our backwater spiral arm of the Milky Way. It’s just us. Mmm hmm.

Oh the irony of these type arguments.

Ever looked up the math on the chances the universe just spontaneously created itself from total nothingness?

Just consider your laptop or phone. You could wait a gazillion, gazillion, gazillion years to the 100th power and it would never just spontaneously create and program itself. There is not a sane person in the world who would look at your laptop or computer and say it could created itself.

Yet the universe is INFINITELY more complex and finely tuned, even a single strand of human DNA is infinitely more complex and fine tuned. Yet science maintains that it all created, programed and finely tuned itself from total nothingness for no reason at all. Mmm hmm.

So the universe needs something to create it, but that something wouldnt need anything to create IT?

Makes tons of sense.

Ahhh, so the universe can create itself but God needs a creator? I don't think you thought that one through.

The Bible does not claim God was created, it says He is eternal without a beginning or end and outside of time and the physical universe.

You are trying to escape down a rabbit hole to run and hide from the fact that the universe Was OBVIOUSLY designed by a Creator.

Some things man will forever argue yet never know.

(07-25-2020 08:16 AM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  Some things man will forever argue yet never know.

That is an assumption. Not that long ago the world was flat. Man's abilities are multiplting at a very fast pace.

(07-25-2020 08:16 AM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  Some things man will forever argue yet never know.

Are you honestly saying you aren't sure if the universe was designed?

Would you say you don't know for sure if your cell phone was designed by a creator? Would you call that a legitimate position to say it had no designer and creator and just spontaneously designed, created and programmed itself?

I say, put all the UFO data they have out there.

They used to deny the existence of evidence and covered by saying it would cause panic. I believe the real reason is that our military knows that there are things out there that far exceed any technology found on earth. The fact that we don't really know what it is scares and maybe embarrasses our military. Often sightings are near nuclear facilities or military bases. When we have closed airspace above, say, the white house and these unidentified objects can come and go there and there is nothing we can do about it, it bothers the control freaks in our government.

It is possible, I suppose, for it to be human technology (reverse engineered) that nobody knows about but I highly doubt it. Far too advanced for our present understanding of even our brightest minds.

Also, just because something is termed a UFO does not mean it contains aliens, or little green men. Simply means unidentified.

Have any of you seen something that could not be identified? I have and stayed quiet about it until I saw others who saw the same thing and were talking about it. Happened in the last five years and what I saw fits the description of many different sightings around the world. Made me much less skeptical than I had been up to that point.

(07-25-2020 07:37 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(07-25-2020 07:10 AM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(07-25-2020 05:31 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(07-24-2020 09:16 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(07-24-2020 05:59 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  We live in a strange time when even a lot of supposed born again Christians are 10 times more excited and convinced that aliens are real than Jesus.

I can understand the secular excitement and obsession with the topic, I was a very secular for much of my life and I was obsessed with aliens too. Mankind has a strong need to believe in something higher and more evolved than himself, and if he rejects Christ he will fill that void with something. And there is very real spiritual activity, particularity in the sky and space. In fact the Bible teaches specifically that Satan and his followers are the princes of the skies and in high places. They were cast out of the Mt of God on high (3rd heaven) and now dwell in the 1st and 2nd heavens (The sky and space).

As a Bible believing Christian, its such an amazing realization of truth that Earth and man are at the very center of the Fathers attention at all times, we are the only creatures in the entire universe that are made in His image, all the universe is but a backdrop to Man and the earth. I have heard so many secular scientists and physicists talk about how insignificant man is compared to the universe, its one of Satan's biggest deceptions to rob man of the realization of his indescribably special place in the universe and in God's. Not only are we NOT insignificant, we are the most significant and import part of all creation.

I have a bridge for sale if you don’t think there is life elsewhere in the 100-200 billion galaxies besides ours...taking the lower number of that range due to current technology limits, figure 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 stars (that's 1 billion trillion stars), factor in planets around those 1 billion trillion stars...yeah, we are all alone out in our backwater spiral arm of the Milky Way. It’s just us. Mmm hmm.

Oh the irony of these type arguments.

Ever looked up the math on the chances the universe just spontaneously created itself from total nothingness?

Just consider your laptop or phone. You could wait a gazillion, gazillion, gazillion years to the 100th power and it would never just spontaneously create and program itself. There is not a sane person in the world who would look at your laptop or computer and say it could created itself.

Yet the universe is INFINITELY more complex and finely tuned, even a single strand of human DNA is infinitely more complex and fine tuned. Yet science maintains that it all created, programed and finely tuned itself from total nothingness for no reason at all. Mmm hmm.

So the universe needs something to create it, but that something wouldnt need anything to create IT?

Makes tons of sense.

Ahhh, so the universe can create itself but God needs a creator? I don't think you thought that one through.

The Bible does not claim God was created, it says He is eternal without a beginning or end and outside of time and the physical universe.

You are trying to escape down a rabbit hole to run and hide from the fact that the universe Was OBVIOUSLY designed by a Creator.

Oh no, I am willing to say God was able to create himself and the universe was also..

or the universe is eternal...

what applies to one can apply to the other.

Well this thread went off the celestial rails

I tried to get it back on the rails but it was stubborn.