(07-13-2020 06:56 PM)Crowleys Ridge Tiger Wrote:  

(07-13-2020 06:50 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(07-13-2020 06:35 PM)Crowleys Ridge Tiger Wrote:  Ecu's avg conf loss was 13pts a game.
I don't think they got everyone's best on defense because they just suck. When there is no pressure or way to win basketball games then stats are meaningless.

Maybe some ECU fans can lobby the league to create an award for returning players only, that recognize PER and Win Share formulated ratings cause obviously that's so important (5-13).

Honest Question to anyone: Would Gardner's PER and Win Share decrease if he played for Houston?

this is a tricky question..his freshman stats were inflated so a definite yes "it would decrease" for that year.,..

his sophomore year there was legit basketball magic..do i think he could get those numbers specifically at houston? no..but for general top level team? yes..the way houston uses his its bigs he wouldnt touch those numbers..but in a more offense friendly system he'd put similar good numbers, gardnr has prove his worth as a top tier guy,

newton, the guy we are debating has not. he would see a crazy decrease..he isnt touching 31 mins a game at any school but ecu, he isnt the primary ball handler at any school but ecu..his defensive limitation has him as a bench player for most of the top teams

So these numbers are likely somewhat inflated because the rest of ECU's team is just so bad?

yes.
newton numbers are 100% inflated..there coach even admits this that he didnt want newton to play that much but becuase of injury (and how they looked when they came back) had no choice ..he isnt touching 31mins per if ecu isnt on the jersey and they ecu wasnt bad/injured

(07-13-2020 06:59 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(07-13-2020 06:46 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(07-13-2020 06:30 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  

(07-13-2020 06:14 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(07-13-2020 06:07 PM)pesik Wrote:  i know.. i actually dont mind talking to ecu fans..he's a ecu homer so i expect it to come from that perspective, but he takes it too far and doesnt know when to be reasonable or backtrack ..

I'm the least biggest homer you will find. I constantly point out how much Dooley has sucked here, I didn't care about lame players like Shawn Williams even though he was AAC rookie of the year, I thought he sucked last year and he did, I call it like I see it. I think Farrakan reaks of overrated at this point. I follow the substance and if Newton or Gardner suck next year with lame stats and performance I'll call it completely like I see it, the formulas and criteria I posted won't change and it will show whatever they are. Will be the first to say it if they did, it's not an opinion it's in black and white tangible stuff measurable on the court. Much like everything else in this thread you are just wrong. Get some help man seriously. Meds. This is way to much of your life.

Pot meets kettle.

Really? I ain't as OCD as you guys. This was posted in another thread a couple days ago.

Pesik: 17,767 Post...Time Spent Online:.....1 Year, 5 Months, 3 Days, 17 Hours, 12 Minutes, 30 Seconds....Started 2014

Big Houston:11,462 Post... Time Spent Online:....5 Months, 2 Weeks, 11 Hours, 28 Minutes, 39 Seconds...started 2011

StillJonesing: 14,886 Post... Time Spent Online:.....5 Months, 3 Weeks, 2 Days, 23 Hours, 51 Minutes, 25 Seconds....Started MAY 2005

That's even with me using the PM's in this board to prepare and save all my draft order and info for the 9 year dynasty league I manage. 9 years hours worth of work, I have 26 pages of Private messages stored inflating the time spent on here. We aren't the same. I can and have walked away for years at a time and will do it again if Dooley keeps Dooleying with stupid rotations and squandering players with the talent of Gardner and Newton. I'm far from a homer, and if a player or coach doesn't produce I'll call it like I see it every time including them. The stats are what they are.

ecu sucks at everything for half a decade now...what are you going to talk about, how last place is nice ???

also homer doesnt mean always positive...it also means extreme negative aswell..you are a homer...you are using farrakhan as proof, when that showed you were homer...
i say farrakahn is a good recruit, with winning pedigree but has to develop as a shooter..you attacked me for saying he wasnt a great shooter
i say farrakahn is a good recruit, with winning pedigree but has to develop as a shooter..literally 1 week later attack me for saying he is a good recruit..

it extreme hot or extreme cold for you..that is homerism...there is no lukewarm reasonable

ecu is horrible, im saying your second best player is 21 out of 150 aac players (extremely high), and you're blowing steam furious acting like 11pts in 31 mins on 39fg% on a horrible team deserve so sort of clout thinking he should be top 5...

Always twisting what I say. I didn't say much of anything other than Farrakan was highly recruited which is all that was known at that point of him, and post a few AAU stats that I could find that didn't completely suck ass and that was the extent of my opinion. His high school stats and the fuller picture didn't come to light until a few days later.

7.2ppg, 2.4apg and only 13 three's made in 26 games on mediocre shooting on the 5th best team in NJ. We have a walk on that averaged 9 and 5 on the 6th best team in NJ in the same freakin league for comparison. I actually follow the numbers where they go and his were simply pathetic, and I called it as such when they the rest of the story came out. I don't care who recruited him at this point. Give me another Tristen Newton with 4 offers that was averaging 39 and 9 for the 5th best team in 5A Texas on high effiency. I'd take that all day over a guy doing nothing on the court and lame percentages.

You proceeded to argue some typical ridicuolous **** like the #5 high school team in NJ he played on led by 16 year old juniors would beat a college team of grown men, and that we should expect him to come here and average more points and assist in the AAC than he did in HS because that was a better team than ECU. The #5 team in NJ. That was an all time take right there, but well see if he averages 7+ and 2.5+ though on good effiency, not 6 PER crap. The stats are the stats... Personally I expect nothing from him but I hope he does. It's not like I just hype up any old player with ECU on the jersey. I look at the substance on hand at the time and follow the evidence where it goes, Shawn Williams is another example and a team full of bums.

your numbers said akok would be bad on defense...you arent very good at translating stats with context

have you looked at the roster of any team noah farrkhan has ever been on? his stats with that context is meaningless...
ja morant was bench on zions aau team, im sure he'll be bad in college ... Farrakhan was the starter of a national championship team..you arent duke, that is great get for ecu

im not sure where you are on brandon suggs.. at one point you were overhyping him aswell, not sure where on the homer spectrum you are in now
but i found this out after our debate, which was funny...suggs and farrakhan played on the same aau team (AOT)...noah was a starter as a sophomore, suggs was deep bench as a senior

an non homer/reasonable person- this was a very extremely good pick up for ecu for where we are at as a program, hopefully dooley develops him as a shooter

homer- what a trash pickup, complete utter waste of a scholarship for my ecu program

(07-13-2020 07:08 PM)IamYourDad Wrote:  This was such a cool thread to read but of course the drama queens noticed and decided to end the party

Thanks, I spent time compiling the list because I wanted to know what the AAC looked like going into next year if we even have one. I'm glad someone appreciated it. I didn't make up the numbers, it's what it is and I was trying to provide the unbiased actual stats, until OCD showed up.

(07-13-2020 07:40 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  Could Caleb Mills be traded spaces with Newton and score like that on ECU team? Hell no, he couldn't even score like that on a good team where he had less pressure to be the man. .480 True shooting, all he did was suck usage and not do much with it actually putting the ball in the hole.

lol at this part...houston couldnt space the floor..you speak like you are knowledgeable but any research always prove you wrong.. houston legitimate weakness was inability to space the floor...

sj logic= scoring a lot of points on a bad team is harder than scoring on a lot of points on a good team



hey everyone lets go to the worst teams in the nation, get their top scorers, then they'll score even more on our good teams because it easier...

There is nothing inflated about win shares or PER in this context. PER is per possession and as apples to apples and adjusted for pace as you can get, and it's all vs similar AAC schedules, the larger part of the season and most recent. The guys either made shots, rebounded, assist, turned it over or they didn't. If anything playing in ECU situation with no supporting cast space or easy assist to pass to with 347th shooters like Newton has was far more of a hindrance than just having usage to fill. He didn't just fill usasage either, he had a .554 True Shooting in conference play despite the lame cast around him to even as the focus of defense especially the last 10 to 12 games. Nothing inflated about his conference season. NOTHING, more deflated by the lack of space and attention he got.

Could Caleb Mills be traded with Newton and score like that on ECU team? Hell no, he couldn't even score like that on a good team where he had less pressure to be the man and a supporting cast. He had a .480 True shooting, all he did was suck usage and not do much with it actually putting the ball in the hole. He hardly did anything else either.

Gardner was at .530 True shooting in conference and was doubled most of the time, and brought rebounding at least. What else did a guy like Mills do. He's a shooter that couldn't shoot on Houston, that's about it. Who the heck thinks he would have been a better shooter on a team were he gets guarded a lot more because we had one other player on it and 347th ranked three point shooting like ECU around him, no one guarded those guys they would be all over Mills like they were Newton and Gardner. Being at ECU would deflate players not inflate them.

True Shooting in conference play for some of the "top" ranked players

.554 Newton
.545 K. Davis
.530 Gardner
.529 K. Williams
.516 Grimes


.495 Collin Smith
.485 Rachal
.480 Mills

.443 Nolley (in the ACC)

It wasn't like Gardner or Newton were just eating up usage and had poor efficiency. They made more of their shots than just about anyone in the league and on HIGHER USAGE with more pressure as the focus of double teams often and still made more. That's the facts. They also didn't get to play ECU which was one of the worst team with all the bums around them.

Do anyone think for one second Mills could have done what Newton did at ECU on our team and came here and had a .554 True Shooting. Hell no. He's shot as poorly as you can for a guy that high usage. It's actually astounding how inefficient he was with the level of usage he sucked and he did nothing else but shoot the ball basically. Nolley too was as bad as you'll ever see, although I give him a bit more of a pass in the ACC.

(07-13-2020 07:52 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(07-13-2020 07:40 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  Could Caleb Mills be traded spaces with Newton and score like that on ECU team? Hell no, he couldn't even score like that on a good team where he had less pressure to be the man. .480 True shooting, all he did was suck usage and not do much with it actually putting the ball in the hole.

lol at this part...houston couldnt space the floor..you speak like you are knowledgeable but any research always prove you wrong.. houston legitimate weakness was inability to space the floor...

sj logic= scoring a lot of points on a bad team is harder than scoring on a lot of points on a good team



hey everyone lets go to the worst teams in the nation, get their top scorers, then they'll score even more on our good teams because it easier...

Mills true shooting percentage is absolutely pathetic for a guy of his usage level while Newton and Gardner are the top guys of the top guys at producing efficient offense and putting the ball in the basket per shooting possession.

That's just the indisputable facts, you can't get any more cut and dry than that, and they even did it in a harder situation with more pressure than he had with guys like Hinton and the supporting cast he had around him. No way he could have done what Newton did in the same situation as the ball dominate guy with no shooters around him, he couldn't even make shots at Houston.

So what, now you are going to try to say Mills actually made shots? and the numbers are fake. You can't the numbers are exactly the numbers. WTF can you even going to argue here, the facts are the facts. He missed most of his shots more than about anyone and didn't do much of anything else. A guy with a .480 true shooting in AAC play and a .490 overall. He sucked at putting the ball in the basket about as bad as I've ever seen from a guy with 33% usage. That's an absolute fact easily measurable.


Houston 162th three point shooting. ECU 347th. Let's not pretend like Gardner and Newton had the same space and similar help taking the pressure off them. It's not the same, teams didn't have to guard 3 of our players. You put Mills on our team and the rule of thumb that typically happens is he would be even more inefficient which would be saying something in this case as pathetic at scoring as he statistically was.

lol this has got to be your worst take you have given in this forum..and im including the juco stats will hold in the aac

LMAO...
there is undeniable, unquestionable, overwhelming evidence that when high producers transfers from bad school transfer to good team their stats take a huge dip...

but im sure that ALL the top guys ecu all just happen to be the exceptions ..
this take is really bad...

or how rotation guys on good teams, end up stars when they transfer to bad teams??? how did semi ojeleye get from a 11 per at DUKE to a 26PER /AAC POY his next season at SMU...lol...shouldn't it be the opposite?

the idea that teams are game playing and putting heavy defense for a 11 pt scorer who shots 31% from 3 on a 5-13 team is hilarious, or that teams were playing top defense on ecu after getting huge leads... or the idea that teams weren't selling out on mills..aka the top scorer on the leagues comfortable best team lol

lol
also want to point out SJ said nothing inflated win shares ..win shares is the most inflatable stat for trash teams

its formula created to divide credit for the wins of a team...it only credit games that are wins...for a team of ecus calibur its who has the best games vs tulane ..win shares on a bad team and win shares on a good team are completely different things lol ..

if there are 2 trash team with complete trash rosters..someone has to win even if both suck, someone has to be credited with the win shares even if everyone sucked

this is such a bad homer take

(07-13-2020 08:30 PM)pesik Wrote:  or how rotation guys on good teams, end up stars when they transfer to bad teams??? how did semi ojeleye get from a 11 per at DUKE to a 26PER /AAC POY his next season at SMU...lol...shouldn't it be the opposite?

Yep, real quick deflection off Mills $hitty scoring because you absolutely can't refute it. There is no way to, it is the ball going into the goal cut and dry much like the other stats that all hold up for Newton in AAC play.

Where is Tulane's guys in Win Shares if they are inflated, they won about as many games? They all sucked even the guys no longer there. Same with Temple.... There is far more to it than just divving up wins. Number one you got to have wins and Gardner and Newton were at the top of the league despite barely having wins to even divvy up because they were ALL the reason we even won 4 of our 5 games. That's not the same as anyone on Tulane or another bad team. It only highlights how bad the supporting cast is here and how they dragged us to any wins we had. Highly impactful winning players individually as highly as anyone in this conference in conference play.

Anytime you are beat you start trying to change the subject to completely unrelated $hit. Semi Ojeulay playing 6 games and 63 minutes at Duke are you serious, like that is the same as the amount of time and usage Nolley just played? That just highlights the joke your "evidence" is.

Nolley 30.2 minutes a game over 32 games. How the hell is this remotely the same as a 6 game 63 minute player.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/pla...eye-1.html

You post a 6 game sample and 63 minutes as an 11 PER as "evidence" even ignoring he had a 17 game sample with more minutes at 22 PER the year prior. 150 total minutes is a small sample regardless time but that's the same kind of sample as a guy playing 30+ minutes a game like Nolley. Good god you suck at evidence.

This is the kind of completely stupid $hit you drag me into arguing. Your "evidence". Meanwhile you completely dodge the True shooting percentage of Mills because there is zero way you can paint that turd. He missed the same shots in the AAC Gardner and Newton made vs AAC teams and it wasn't close. That's the cold hard facts and they actually contributed in other ways too.

(07-13-2020 06:46 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(07-13-2020 06:30 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  

(07-13-2020 06:14 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(07-13-2020 06:07 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(07-13-2020 05:28 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  Ugh, haven’t you guys learned not to feed the ecu fans? It’s pointless.

i know.. i actually dont mind talking to ecu fans..he's a ecu homer so i expect it to come from that perspective, but he takes it too far and doesnt know when to be reasonable or backtrack ..

I'm the least biggest homer you will find. I constantly point out how much Dooley has sucked here, I didn't care about lame players like Shawn Williams even though he was AAC rookie of the year, I thought he sucked last year and he did, I call it like I see it. I think Farrakan reaks of overrated at this point. I follow the substance and if Newton or Gardner suck next year with lame stats and performance I'll call it completely like I see it, the formulas and criteria I posted won't change and it will show whatever they are. Will be the first to say it if they did, it's not an opinion it's in black and white tangible stuff measurable on the court. Much like everything else in this thread you are just wrong. Get some help man seriously. Meds. This is way to much of your life.

Pot meets kettle.

Really? I ain't as OCD as you guys. This was posted in another thread a couple days ago.

Pesik: 17,767 Post...Time Spent Online:.....1 Year, 5 Months, 3 Days, 17 Hours, 12 Minutes, 30 Seconds....Started 2014

Big Houston:11,462 Post... Time Spent Online:....5 Months, 2 Weeks, 11 Hours, 28 Minutes, 39 Seconds...started 2011

StillJonesing: 14,886 Post... Time Spent Online:.....5 Months, 3 Weeks, 2 Days, 23 Hours, 51 Minutes, 25 Seconds....Started MAY 2005

That's even with me using the PM's in this board to prepare and save all my draft order and info for the 9 year dynasty league I manage. 9 years hours worth of work, I have 26 pages of Private messages stored inflating the time spent on here. We aren't the same. I can and have walked away for years at a time and will do it again if Dooley keeps Dooleying with stupid rotations and squandering players with the talent of Gardner and Newton. I'm far from a homer, and if a player or coach doesn't produce I'll call it like I see it every time including them. The stats are what they are.

To put it in drinking terms you're both alcoholics. One of you gets shitfaced every day, the other only goes on the occasional bender. Nevertheless you're both problematic.

(07-13-2020 08:52 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  Yep, real quick deflection off Mills $hitty scoring because you absolutely can't refute it.

lol i wasnt deflecting the mills take...if you notice, i really dont like overhyping houston players, especially i regards to other players ..the "my guy is better than your guy" isnt my style

but since we are going there, just to make it clear that your newton comp to mills is one of the stupidest takes ive seen...

you are making a very dumb take that caleb mill who did 13pts a game (36% from 3) leading scorer on the top team in the conference, that was top 25, despite only playing 21 mins a game..

couldnt produce like newton who only did 11pts per game (31% from 3)..despite playing 31 mins a game, on a horrific team, if mills was on ecu....dumb....

the entire basis of your argument is based around the fat that mills sometimes shoots midranges..thats it..

if mills put his name in the portal today, he would have UNC and Kansas offers....if newton put his name in the portal he'd be at UTEP or UNCG

mills will be 1st team preseason..and not even expected to start....newton will not even make 3rd team

(07-13-2020 09:02 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  

(07-13-2020 06:46 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(07-13-2020 06:30 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  

(07-13-2020 06:14 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(07-13-2020 06:07 PM)pesik Wrote:  i know.. i actually dont mind talking to ecu fans..he's a ecu homer so i expect it to come from that perspective, but he takes it too far and doesnt know when to be reasonable or backtrack ..

I'm the least biggest homer you will find. I constantly point out how much Dooley has sucked here, I didn't care about lame players like Shawn Williams even though he was AAC rookie of the year, I thought he sucked last year and he did, I call it like I see it. I think Farrakan reaks of overrated at this point. I follow the substance and if Newton or Gardner suck next year with lame stats and performance I'll call it completely like I see it, the formulas and criteria I posted won't change and it will show whatever they are. Will be the first to say it if they did, it's not an opinion it's in black and white tangible stuff measurable on the court. Much like everything else in this thread you are just wrong. Get some help man seriously. Meds. This is way to much of your life.

Pot meets kettle.

Really? I ain't as OCD as you guys. This was posted in another thread a couple days ago.

Pesik: 17,767 Post...Time Spent Online:.....1 Year, 5 Months, 3 Days, 17 Hours, 12 Minutes, 30 Seconds....Started 2014

Big Houston:11,462 Post... Time Spent Online:....5 Months, 2 Weeks, 11 Hours, 28 Minutes, 39 Seconds...started 2011

StillJonesing: 14,886 Post... Time Spent Online:.....5 Months, 3 Weeks, 2 Days, 23 Hours, 51 Minutes, 25 Seconds....Started MAY 2005

That's even with me using the PM's in this board to prepare and save all my draft order and info for the 9 year dynasty league I manage. 9 years hours worth of work, I have 26 pages of Private messages stored inflating the time spent on here. We aren't the same. I can and have walked away for years at a time and will do it again if Dooley keeps Dooleying with stupid rotations and squandering players with the talent of Gardner and Newton. I'm far from a homer, and if a player or coach doesn't produce I'll call it like I see it every time including them. The stats are what they are.

To put it in drinking terms you're both alcoholics. One of you gets shitfaced every day, the other only goes on the occasional bender. Nevertheless you're both problematic.

Yeah, I'm not disagreeing, but I'm not the worst. Not even as bad as you and he takes it to another crazy nut job level. The guy can't shut up. I'll eventually fuc off with this nonsense eventually and go away for a week or two or even a year or two at least.

pesik what’s your take on UCF for this season? Top 5 AAC?

(07-13-2020 09:06 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(07-13-2020 08:52 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  Yep, real quick deflection off Mills $hitty scoring because you absolutely can't refute it.

lol i wasnt deflecting the mills take...if you notice, i really dont like overhyping houston players, especially i regards to other players ..the "my guy is better than your guy" isnt my style

but since we are going there, just to make it clear that your newton comp to mills is one of the stupidest takes ive seen...

you are making a very dumb take that caleb mill who did 13pts a game (36% from 3) leading scorer on the top team in the conference, that was top 25, despite only playing 21 mins a game..

couldnt produce like newton who only did 11pts per game (31% from 3)..despite playing 31 mins a game, on a horrific team, if mills was on ecu....dumb....

the entire basis of your argument is based around the fat that mills sometimes shoots midranges..thats it..

if mills put his name in the portal today, he would have UNC and Kansas offers....if newton put his name in the portal he'd be at UTEP or UNCG

mills will be 1st team preseason..and not even expected to start....newton will not even make 3rd team

12.7ppg, 5.1rpg, 3.7apg, 1.4spg in 31.2 minutes in conference. .554 True shooting. Get accurate numbers. He was clearly trending even higher the last 40+% of our schedule all vs the AAC. 15.0ppg, 5.8rpg, 3.7rpg, 1.4spg....

You clearly can't even grasp or understand the value of scoring per shooting possession. Now you are going to try to argue one part of scoring like 3 point shot is all of it and ignore all the value Newton brings getting to the foul line and making FT's for example. Points are points and they all count the same per shooting possession. That's exactly what True shooting measures and Mills sucked at scoring last year. That's an absolute fact. There is no way to paint that turd.

Newton .554 true shooting in AAC play is the best of any of the top guys in AAC play vs Mills .480 true shooting is what it is. The value he scored at by comparison in AAC where it's all similar SOS's irrefutable and you look like a fool even trying. Your best defense now is some abstract hypothetical BS like Kansas would offer him and UNCG would offer Newton like that's known or would even matter if true. You don't fucen know that. There True shooting in scoring ability is a fact and measurable.

(07-13-2020 09:16 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  pesik what’s your take on UCF for this season? Top 5 AAC?

IF CJ Walker gets a waiver,ucf probably top 2 in the conference in bigs...
i love darin greens potential..any kind of freshman to soph bump would be huge...

first off its impossible to project right now becuase so many teams needs waiver.. but lets imagine everyone got waivers
ucf is a "potential" team to me, there is a lot of talent on ucf but the talent isnt proven besides collin smith,...
in the preseason i tend to lean towards experience over potential .. i wouldnt put ucf top 5...id lean towards cincy, memphis, usf and smu to round out the top 5...not becuase i think they are better but becuase they just have more proven players

ucf has the talent to win the whole league..but is cj walker going to live up to expectations...will be perry be more productive now that he isnt on a stacked team..is sean mobley up to the expectations some are putting on him..will darin green take that next step..
in comparison to usf i know what yetna does, i know what david collin does, i know what durr does etc...

ucf could be 3 or 8 next season and neither would surprise me

(07-13-2020 09:22 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(07-13-2020 09:06 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(07-13-2020 08:52 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  Yep, real quick deflection off Mills $hitty scoring because you absolutely can't refute it.

lol i wasnt deflecting the mills take...if you notice, i really dont like overhyping houston players, especially i regards to other players ..the "my guy is better than your guy" isnt my style

but since we are going there, just to make it clear that your newton comp to mills is one of the stupidest takes ive seen...

you are making a very dumb take that caleb mill who did 13pts a game (36% from 3) leading scorer on the top team in the conference, that was top 25, despite only playing 21 mins a game..

couldnt produce like newton who only did 11pts per game (31% from 3)..despite playing 31 mins a game, on a horrific team, if mills was on ecu....dumb....

the entire basis of your argument is based around the fat that mills sometimes shoots midranges..thats it..

if mills put his name in the portal today, he would have UNC and Kansas offers....if newton put his name in the portal he'd be at UTEP or UNCG

mills will be 1st team preseason..and not even expected to start....newton will not even make 3rd team

12.7ppg, 5.1rpg, 3.7apg, 1.4spg in 31.2 minutes in conference. .554 True shooting. Get accurate numbers. He was clearly trending even higher the last 40% of our schedule all vs the AAC. 15.8ppg, 5.8rpg, 3.7rpg, 1.4spg....

You clearly can't even grasp or understand the value of scoring per shooting possession. Now you are going to try to argue one part of scoring like 3 point shoot is all of it and ignore all the value Newton brings getting to the foul line and making FT's for example. Points are points and they all count the same per shooting possession. That's exactly what True shooting measures and Mills sucked at scoring last year. That's an absolute fact.

Newton .554 true shooting in AAC play is the best of any of the top guys in AAC play vs Mills .480 true shooting is what it is. The value he scored at by comparison in AAC where it's all similar SOS's irrefutable and you look like a fool even trying. Your best defense now is some abstract hypothetical BS like Kansas would offer him and UNCG would offer Newton like that's a fact. You don't fucen know that. There True shooting in scoring ability is a fact and measurable.

this is you being a homer!!!!
you are using only conference games becuase it can be manipulated to benefit newton

houston fans can knock ecu to just use conference only becuase your schedule was a joke...
but ecu fans CANT change the narrative to conference only in full season narrative when it benefits you.."you played a harder non-con and performed better, that should count"?? we played a hard non con and will be credited for it

you played a joke non conference and he didnt perform..those games didnt magically disappear

(07-13-2020 09:39 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(07-13-2020 09:22 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(07-13-2020 09:06 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(07-13-2020 08:52 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  Yep, real quick deflection off Mills $hitty scoring because you absolutely can't refute it.

lol i wasnt deflecting the mills take...if you notice, i really dont like overhyping houston players, especially i regards to other players ..the "my guy is better than your guy" isnt my style

but since we are going there, just to make it clear that your newton comp to mills is one of the stupidest takes ive seen...

you are making a very dumb take that caleb mill who did 13pts a game (36% from 3) leading scorer on the top team in the conference, that was top 25, despite only playing 21 mins a game..

couldnt produce like newton who only did 11pts per game (31% from 3)..despite playing 31 mins a game, on a horrific team, if mills was on ecu....dumb....

the entire basis of your argument is based around the fat that mills sometimes shoots midranges..thats it..

if mills put his name in the portal today, he would have UNC and Kansas offers....if newton put his name in the portal he'd be at UTEP or UNCG

mills will be 1st team preseason..and not even expected to start....newton will not even make 3rd team

12.7ppg, 5.1rpg, 3.7apg, 1.4spg in 31.2 minutes in conference. .554 True shooting. Get accurate numbers. He was clearly trending even higher the last 40% of our schedule all vs the AAC. 15.8ppg, 5.8rpg, 3.7rpg, 1.4spg....

You clearly can't even grasp or understand the value of scoring per shooting possession. Now you are going to try to argue one part of scoring like 3 point shoot is all of it and ignore all the value Newton brings getting to the foul line and making FT's for example. Points are points and they all count the same per shooting possession. That's exactly what True shooting measures and Mills sucked at scoring last year. That's an absolute fact.

Newton .554 true shooting in AAC play is the best of any of the top guys in AAC play vs Mills .480 true shooting is what it is. The value he scored at by comparison in AAC where it's all similar SOS's irrefutable and you look like a fool even trying. Your best defense now is some abstract hypothetical BS like Kansas would offer him and UNCG would offer Newton like that's a fact. You don't fucen know that. There True shooting in scoring ability is a fact and measurable.

this is you being a homer!!!!
you are using only conference games becuase it can be manipulated to benefit newton

houston fans can knock ecu to just use conference only becuase your schedule was a joke...
but ecu fans CANT change the narrative to conference only in full season narrative when it should have benefited you..we played a hard non con and will be credited for it

you played a joke non conference and he didnt perform..those games didnt magically disappear

YOU are the one that magically wanted to say OOC didn't exist last year. Last year it was all about what Gardner did in conference and how OOC didn't matter at all, he sucked and was overratted even though he still had a 18.4 PER in AAC play LAST year just about the same as Yetna's 19.0 who's balls you are all over now ranking him best player in the AAC based off that even coming off a major injury now. Do you remember that? That was your own criteria you used against Gardner.

So now when I post just the conference to suit your exact narrative last year you started you want to flip it back. Newsflash, Mills sucked both in and out of conference. .490 True shooting overall. It doesn't help your case at all. Gardner also killed both OOC and in conference this year, so it changes nothing with him either.

You'd also have to be blind to not see Newton was a different player in Conference and the trajectory he ended the year on was insane regardless. Dooley is a complete dumb***, and benched him the middle part of the season and stunted his growth and had him playing scared to get minutes OOC, that's not really even his fault he started strong and got benched for no reason when Robinson who sucked came back.

By conference time he excelled more than just about anyone in the AAC left returning vs the harder part of the SOS we can compare apples to apples as the bigger 18 game sample of the year and the most recent. It's is the more relevant part of any player in the AAC's resume. I never disagreed with you on that last year when you were saying it was the most important either.

Newton was one of the best players in the AAC by the end of the year even when we had a lot better players even and the trajectory he ended on the last month and 10+ games in the AAC was higher than even his 19.6 .554 true shooting numbers. He's clearly enters this year as one of the best where he left off.

yes..

teams with good ooc..can neg teams with bad ooc not to use stat from those games

teams with bad ooc cant regulate teams with good ooc on whether or not it counts..

seem like pretty simple logic..the benefit of playing harder schedules

a team that play kansas, duke , oregon, gonzaga and villanova in the non con...a players scores 25 in those games and then does 15 in conference....using that 25 as justification to him being a good player is valid

a team that plays rice, elon, charolotte, uncw, southern as their non con, a player does 20 rebounds a game, then drops to 10 in conference,,, discrediting those rebounding numbers are valid...

discredited team cant say game versus duke oregon, gonzaga cant be used as justification for anything

seem pretty simple to me...he was trash in the non con..a super easy non con