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Top Returning Players AAC (Updated) - StillJonesing - 07-13-2020 10:03 AM
Statistically, now that teams are returning to campus and the dust is mostly settled.
I choose conference only play since it was a very similar SOS for each team and eliminated more variance in OOC SOS everyone complained about. It was the larger portion of the season and a large 18 game sample size. It was also the later half of the year which indicates more about where players were at when the year ended.
by Player Efficiency Rating in conference only
1....22.4 Jayden Gardner ECU
2....19.6 Tristen Newton ECU
3....19.3 Kendric Davis SMU
4....18.9 Keith Williams Cincinnati
5....18.7 Mamoudou Diarra Cincinnati
6....18.4 Collin Smith UCF
7....18.2 Caleb Mills Houston
8...18.1 Darrin Green UCF
9...17.8 Feron Hunt SMU
10...17.6 Chris Vogt Cincinnati
11...17.0 Tyson Jolly SMU
12...16.9 Dexter Dennis WSU
13...16.9 Madut Akec USF
14...16.3 Michael Durr, USF
15...16.2 Justin Brown USF
16...15.7 Dejon Jarreau Houston
17...15.2 Brison Gresham Houston
18...14.9 Darien Jackson Tulsa
19...14.6 Teshaun Hightower Tulane
20...14.4 Marcus Sasser Houston
21...14.2 Brandon Mahan UCF
22...14.0 Trey Wade WSU
23...13.9 Brandon Suggs ECU
24...13.8 Ethan Chargois SMU
25...13.7 Malcolm Dandridge, Memphis
26...13.3 Quentin Grimes Houston
27...13.2 Brandon Rachael Tulsa
28...12.7 Jordan Walker Tulane
28...12.7 Jake Forrester Temple
30...12.5 Lester Quinones Memphis
31...12.3 De'Vondre Perry Temple
32...12.2 Tyson Eteinne WSU
33...12.0 Elijah Joiner Tulsa
34...11.9 Lance Thomas Memphis
In Win Shares conference only
1...2.2...Kendric Davis SMU
2...2.1...Keith Williams Cincinnati
3...2.0...Jayden Gardner ECU
4...1.9...Justin Brown USF
5...1.8...Tristen Newton ECU
5...1.8...Marcus Sasser Houston
5...1.8...Tyson Jolly SMU
8...1.7...Caleb Mills Houston
8...1.7...Chris Vogt Cincinnati
8...1.7...Dexter Dennis, WSU
11...1.6...Lester Quinones Memphis
11...1.6...Darien Jackson Tulsa
11...1.4...Darrin Green UCF
14...1.3...Dejon Jarreau Houston
14...1.3...Elijah Joiner Tulsa
14...1.3...Quentin Grimes Houston
14...1.3...Michael Durr, USF
14...1.3...Trey Wade WSU
14....1.3...Feron Hunt SMU
20...1.2...Collin Smith UCF
20....1.2...Brandon Rachael Tulsa
20...1.1...Brison Gresham Houston
20...1.0... Brandon Mahan UCF
20....0.9...David Collins USF
25....0.8...Mamoudou Diarra Cincinnati
25....0.8...Mika Adams-Woods Cincinnati
25....0.8...Boogie Ellis Memphis
25....0.8...Brandon Suggs ECU
29....0.7...Ethan Chargois SMU
29....0.7...Lance Thomas Memphis
29....0.7...Alex Lomax Memphis
29....0.7...Emmanuel Bandoumel SMU
* I included anyone that played 10+ minutes a game since they were in the rotations and potentially could make a bigger impact with more minutes next year.
RE: Top Returning Players AAC (Updated) - StillJonesing - 07-13-2020 10:03 AM
Other notables additions that could or will play with history, I included their conference samples since it was the later half of the year, bigger sample, and more easily to access the quality. Pretty well understood the P5 level vs AAC, vs lower major.
Eligible
Yetna, USF...19.0 PER, 1.8 Win Shares in the AAC in 2018-2019
Gilbert, Wichita St....9.9 PER, 0.6 Win Shares in the AAC
Perry, UCF....7.2 PER, 0.5 Win Shares in the ACC
Murphy, Tulane.....9.0 PER, 0.3 Win Shares in the ACC
Ivanauskas, Cincy....17.0 PER, 1.5 Win Shares in the Patriot (was much better his Soph year)
Need a Wavier Guys
Williams, Memphis.... 31.9 PER, 2.9 Win Shares in the 18 (includes one non D1) games he did play at Evansville, (only played 5 conference games)
DeJulius Cincy...13.2 PER, 0.9 Win Shares in the Big 10
Nolley, Memphis...12.3 PER, 0.1 Win Shares in the ACC
Chaney, Houston...16.4 PER, 0.7 Win Shares in the SEC
Watson, Tulane.....9.5 PER, 0.2 Win Shares in CUSA
Top Returning Players AAC (Updated) - justinhub2003 - 07-13-2020 10:14 AM
(07-13-2020 10:03 AM)StillJonesing Wrote: Other notables additions that could or will play with history, I included their conference samples since it was the later half of the year, bigger sample, and more easily to access the quality. Pretty well understood the P5 level vs AAC, vs lower major.
Eligible
Yetna, USF...19.0 PER, 1.8 Win Shares in 2018-2019
Gilbert, Wichita St....9.9 PER, 0.6 Win Shares in the AAC
Perry, UCF....7.2 PER, 0.5 Win Shares in the ACC
Murphy, Tulane.....9.0 PER, 0.3 Win Shares in the ACC
Ivanauskas, Cincy....17.0 PER, 1.5 Win Shares in the Patriot (was much better his Soph year)
Need a Wavier Guys
Williams, Memphis.... 31.9 PER, 2.9 Win Shares in the 18 games he did play at Evansville, (only played 5 conference games)
DeJulius Memphis...13.2 PER, 0.9 Win Shares in the Big 10
Nolley, Memphis...12.3 PER, 0.1 Win Shares in the ACC
Chaney, Houston...16.4 PER, 0.7 Win Shares in the SEC
Watson, Tulane.....9.5 PER, 0.2 Win Shares in CUSA
Don’t be giving dejulius to Memphis
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RE: Top Returning Players AAC (Updated) - RuckleSt - 07-13-2020 10:15 AM
(07-13-2020 10:03 AM)StillJonesing Wrote: Other notables additions that could or will play with history, I included their conference samples since it was the later half of the year, bigger sample, and more easily to access the quality. Pretty well understood the P5 level vs AAC, vs lower major.
Eligible
Yetna, USF...19.0 PER, 1.8 Win Shares in 2018-2019
Gilbert, Wichita St....9.9 PER, 0.6 Win Shares in the AAC
Perry, UCF....7.2 PER, 0.5 Win Shares in the ACC
Murphy, Tulane.....9.0 PER, 0.3 Win Shares in the ACC
Ivanauskas, Cincy....17.0 PER, 1.5 Win Shares in the Patriot (was much better his Soph year)
Need a Wavier Guys
Williams, Memphis.... 31.9 PER, 2.9 Win Shares in the 18 games he did play at Evansville, (only played 5 conference games)
DeJulius Memphis...13.2 PER, 0.9 Win Shares in the Big 10
Nolley, Memphis...12.3 PER, 0.1 Win Shares in the ACC
Chaney, Houston...16.4 PER, 0.7 Win Shares in the SEC
Watson, Tulane.....9.5 PER, 0.2 Win Shares in CUSA
He's transferring to Cincinnati.
RE: Top Returning Players AAC (Updated) - StillJonesing - 07-13-2020 10:23 AM
If you got a player no longer with the team still listed I'll edit that out. I think I got most everyone removed. The league lost a lot of good players would be my take away.
RE: Top Returning Players AAC (Updated) - robertfoshizzle - 07-13-2020 10:32 AM
Tristen Newton was a real gem of a recruit. Wasn't even rated by the major recruiting services as far as I can tell. Assuming there is a season, I think 16-17 wins should be attainable for ECU. USF, UCF, and SMU should all improve too.
RE: Top Returning Players AAC (Updated) - StillJonesing - 07-13-2020 10:42 AM
(07-13-2020 10:32 AM)robertfoshizzle Wrote: Tristen Newton was a real gem of a recruit. Wasn't even rated by the major recruiting services as far as I can tell. Assuming there is a season, I think 16-17 wins should be attainable for ECU. USF, UCF, and SMU should all improve too.
I still don't understand his lack of recruitment, he is a 6-5 PG and averaged 39ppg 9rpg in high school on a top 5, 5A team in Texas. Pretty easy to see he had upside, good kid from a military home too. We were flat lucky to find him, I loved that signing from day 1.
The last 40+% of the season all in the AAC was pretty insane.
15.1ppg
5.8rpg
3.8apg
1.4spg
on high efficiency
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Newton also left low hanging fruit by not hitting his FT's as well in conference as he did the rest of the year or in HS. He shot 88.2% in 450 attempts his senior year in high school, and 76% in conference play. He could even be more efficient next year if he hits FT's.
Now that Mike and Hinton are gone, I do think Newton and Gardner are the best duo in the AAC going into next season. They might be the best two players they way Newton ended the year. Statistically they were in AAC play. If Dooley squanders them again he needs to go. He didn't even have Newton starting a chunk of the season and had him playing scared to get benched. He played him 8 minutes vs Coppin State and we lost. Once he let him play and took the clamps off he took off.
RE: Top Returning Players AAC (Updated) - JHG722 - 07-13-2020 11:00 AM
NPL is gone
RE: Top Returning Players AAC (Updated) - TripleA - 07-13-2020 11:14 AM
Tyler Harris isn't returning to Memphis. He transferred to Iowa State.
RE: Top Returning Players AAC (Updated) - StillJonesing - 07-13-2020 11:26 AM
I'm probably most interested to see DeAndre Williams of the new guys, he had such an insane statistical profile when he did play. Although he did eat up a D2 team for 29 points and 13 rebounds factored in. Still 32 PER is nuts regardless.
He only had 2 points and 1 rebound in 15 minutes and fouled out vs ECU though. He couldn't handle Gardner at all that game, Gardner had 28 points in 31 minutes and fouled him out quick.
Other guys I expect to do better than they did last year.
Chargois, he was better the year prior just didn't make the same shots and this true shooting was way down, most everything else was as solid.
David Collins was much better in AAC play the year prior as well.
2018-2019 in AAC play
17.1 Collins
16.9 Chargois
Guys that has played better in the past I would expect to play better than they did last year.
RE: Top Returning Players AAC (Updated) - BraveKnight - 07-13-2020 11:27 AM
Pretty sure K.J. Lawson isn’t returning to Tulane.
RE: Top Returning Players AAC (Updated) - StillJonesing - 07-13-2020 11:32 AM
(07-13-2020 11:27 AM)BraveKnight Wrote: Pretty sure K.J. Lawson isn’t returning to Tulane.
I missed more than I thought I guess. Anyone else still in the draft process, I know Jarreau pulled out.
AAC's looking a little down to me. Lost a lot of quality players and I don't see as much immediate help as previous years even if guys get waivers.
RE: Top Returning Players AAC (Updated) - StillJonesing - 07-13-2020 11:50 AM
Top 10 AAC HS recruits on 247 Composite in the top 300
#79 Mack, Houston
#81 Murphy, USF
#126 Eason, Cincy
#141 Lakin, Cincy
#198 Madson, Cincy
#202 Shead, Houston
#228 Saunders, Cincy
#243 Powell, Houston
#249 Farakan, ECU
#289 Jourdain, Temple
JUCO in the top 100 on JUCOrecruiting.com
#15 Porter, Wichta St
#41 Rand, Memphis
#83 Wade, Wichta St
Not seeing the same incoming star power either to replace all the players we lost as a league in transfers, HS, or JUCO.
What sit out last year transfers are we missing? I know SMU has one from Cal I believe.
RE: Top Returning Players AAC (Updated) - BraveKnight - 07-13-2020 11:53 AM
(07-13-2020 11:32 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:Don’t forget about CJ Walker or Sean Mobley for UCF, Mobley is now eligible after sitting out last year and Walker is in good shape to get a waiver.(07-13-2020 11:27 AM)BraveKnight Wrote: Pretty sure K.J. Lawson isn’t returning to Tulane.
I missed more than I thought I guess. Anyone else still in the draft process, I know Jarreau pulled out.
AAC's looking a little down to me. Lost a lot of quality players and I don't see as much immediate help as previous years even if guys get waivers.
Top Returning Players AAC (Updated) - tnzazz - 07-13-2020 11:58 AM
I believe that D.J. Jeffries will be our top returning player by far.
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RE: Top Returning Players AAC (Updated) - robertfoshizzle - 07-13-2020 12:06 PM
(07-13-2020 11:32 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:(07-13-2020 11:27 AM)BraveKnight Wrote: Pretty sure K.J. Lawson isn’t returning to Tulane.
I missed more than I thought I guess. Anyone else still in the draft process, I know Jarreau pulled out.
AAC's looking a little down to me. Lost a lot of quality players and I don't see as much immediate help as previous years even if guys get waivers.
Yeah, I tend to lean towards the top of the conference not being quite as strong, but I think the bottom half will be stronger overall.
RE: Top Returning Players AAC (Updated) - robertfoshizzle - 07-13-2020 12:09 PM
Right now, I feel like Houston is the only near-lock to be a tournament team, with Cincinnati and Memphis in contention. I don't know what to make of Wichita State with all of their roster turnover, but they could be in the mix. Haven't really followed what's going on at Temple and Tulsa, but UCF, USF, and SMU all look like teams that could be in play for the postseason if things come together.
RE: Top Returning Players AAC (Updated) - TU77CAL82 - 07-13-2020 12:18 PM
Hightower has that murder thing going. Tulane moving on without him obviously.
RE: Top Returning Players AAC (Updated) - pesik - 07-13-2020 12:20 PM
i was going to make my own thread at some point (after cisse's commitment), but since sole reason you made this was disliking the one i made last year (and to overhype newton)..i dont see the purpose of having competing threads with the same topic so ill just post it here
Pesik's preseason top 50 players; (technically 51 for moussa)
notes: its a preseason list: not a projected end of the season list
1) Alexis Yetna - USF
2) **Moussa Cisse-- Has not committed, Memphis is the favorite
3) Jayden Gardner - ECU
4) Caleb Mills - Houston
5) Kendric Davis - SMU
6) Collin Smith - UCF
7) Brandon Rachal - Tulsa
8) Keith Williams - Cincy
9) Quentin Grimes - Houston
10) D.J. Jeffries - Memphis
11) Landers Nolley - Memphis (Transfer- needs waiver)
12) Dexter Dennis - Wichita
13) Feron Hunt - SMU
14) Darin Green - UCF
15) Tyson Jolly - SMU
16) DeJon Jarreau - Houston
17) Chris Vogt - Cincy
18) DeAndre Williams - Memphis (Transfer- needs waiver)
19) Marcus Sasser - Houston
20) Lester Quinones- Memphis
21) Tristen Newton - ECU
22) David Collins - USF
23) Alterique Gilbert - Wichita (Grad Transfer)
24) Tramon Mark - Houston (Top Recruit)
25) Rapolas Ivanauskas - Cincy (Grad Transfer)
26) Darius McNeill- SMU (Eligible Transfer)
27) CJ Walker- UCF (Transfer- needs waiver)
28) Caleb Murphy USF (Top Recruit)
29) Darius Perry - UCF (Grad Transfer)
30) Jordan Walker- Tulane
31) David DeJulius- Cincy (Transfer- needs waiver)
32) Tyson Etienne- Wichita
33) Ethan Chargois- SMU
34) Gabe Watson- Tulane (Transfer- needs waiver)
35) Trey Wade- Wichita
36) Jake Forrester - Temple
37) Elijah Joiner - Tulsa
38) Justin Brown - USF
39) Boogie' Ellis- Memphis
40) Damion Baugh- Memphis
41) Michael Durr- USF
42) Darien Jackson - Tulsa
43) Tari Eason - Cincy (top recruit)
44) De'Vondre Perry - Temple
45) J.P. Moorman - Temple
46) Alex Lomax - Memphis
47) Cameron Tyson - Houston (Eligible Transfer)
48) Kevin Cross - Tulane (transfer- needs waiver)
49) Khalif Battle- Temple (transfer- needs waiver)
50) Jaylen Forbes - Tulane (transfer- needs waiver)
51) Keyshawn Embery- Tulsa (eligible transfer) -ranking solely from tulsa fan hype
Just missed:
Ryan Murphy
Brandon Mahan
Curtis Haywood
Malcolm Dandridge
Brison Gresham
My Top 5 "You cant justifiable rank in the preseason but might be their post-season"
1) Zach Harvey- Cincy
2) Tremont Robinson- ECU
3) Justin Gorham- Houston
4) Damina Dunn- Temple
5) A Wichita Juco/Freshman (5)
if i was making a thread i would have color coded it to make it easier to read , and added explanations but that seem excessive for a response ..ill give reasonings for any just ask
RE: Top Returning Players AAC (Updated) - ECUGrad07 - 07-13-2020 12:30 PM
The only returning player in the AAC any of you fools need to concern yourselves with...
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