(07-09-2020 03:41 PM)Usajags Wrote:  Seems like with these announcements that spring football has fallen out of favor as a possibility. I’m still surprised that these announcements are being made 6+ weeks before the season. Why not wait another 2 weeks, when the school that would have played week 0 would be reporting???

It's possible this is the first stage in a move to spring.

You eliminate the OOC and the conference has full control of the schedule of all the member teams at that point. Then you can pivot to spring and have more flexibility to work around scheduling conflicts.

This could just be the first step in that process. PAC-12 sources are saying it's less likely that football happens in the fall. Smith from tOSU stated today that he was very concerned about football in the fall.

Just like we saw today, all it takes is one decision being made and the rest will follow.

It’s definitely a follow the leader scenario with all of this, has been since day one.

The idea of conference only, starting Sept 5th, give the conferences a lot of control over schedule and making sure these games get done by end of Nov. This may be a season with only conference champions, but no National Champ due to no OOC games and no bowl games. Would be surprised if they even tried to do bowl games or a playoff of some sort. But in the end, as long as we get football at some time, I guess I’ll be happy with that.

I do hate this stuff for the all the kids that put so much into their sport and have it taken away starting with basketball and going through now football, cross country and volleyball. As a parent, it’s frustrating, as a kid it has to be terribly disappointing and confusing.

well, this give a few B1G bubble teams an extra game or two against Rutgers/Maryland/Illinois/Northwestern to get an extra win for bowl eligibility. I hope this backfires on the B1G, I abhor that conference. Smug, Arrogant, Pretentious, Stuck in the Past. And yes, I throw Notre Dame in that group.

This is even more reason for the Sun Belt to PLAY FOOTBALL THIS SEASON. Some conference is going to be foolish and outright cancel their season, giving guys like us a better opportunity to gain eyeballs.

(07-09-2020 07:33 PM)TheOriginalBigApp Wrote:  well, this give a few B1G bubble teams an extra game or two against Rutgers/Maryland/Illinois/Northwestern to get an extra win for bowl eligibility. I hope this backfires on the B1G, I abhor that conference. Smug, Arrogant, Pretentious, Stuck in the Past. And yes, I throw Notre Dame in that group.

This is even more reason for the Sun Belt to PLAY FOOTBALL THIS SEASON. Some conference is going to be foolish and outright cancel their season, giving guys like us a better opportunity to gain eyeballs.

One, we aren’t gonna play this year, so it’s a moot point. Two, IF we do, there are BIG teams they may not participate, especially the ones you mention in Rutgers and Maryland... they’re close to cancelling. And there certainly won’t be bowls. So there won’t be any need to pad anything.
Just sayin.

So, there's a lot of interesting ways this can go.

If the Big 10, PAC 12, and ACC play conference games only, most of the G5 loses out on one to two massive guarantee contracts. Every single one of those schools is going to claim Force Majure, and try to avoid paying the money.

Where this gets interesting, is what happens next. NC State for example, can't legally claim Force Majure and cancel the Troy game, but go ahead and play Notre Dame instead. Legally, it can't be too unsafe to play Troy, but suddenly safe to play ND. If the P5 attempts to play in the Fall in league games only, I expect numerous lawsuits to be filed by G5 and FCS schools.

However, if the P5 picks up and moves the entire season to Spring, than our entire argument of using the Force Majure clause improperly becomes null because they cancelled all their games in the Fall, not just the ones they felt like not playing. At that point, the G5's are left with a difficult choice. Assuming they can get state clearance, do they chance it out with a late start, play maybe 10 games in the fall, mostly regional, and attempt to profit on Suddenly free television inventory on most of the major networks, even if it means low capacity or no capacity games, or bow to public pressure and move to Spring and just eat the losses, but play when it will almost certainly be safer?

(07-09-2020 08:02 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  So, there's a lot of interesting ways this can go.

If the Big 10, PAC 12, and ACC play conference games only, most of the G5 loses out on one to two massive guarantee contracts. Every single one of those schools is going to claim Force Majure, and try to avoid paying the money.

Where this gets interesting, is what happens next. NC State for example, can't legally claim Force Majure and cancel the Troy game, but go ahead and play Notre Dame instead. Legally, it can't be too unsafe to play Troy, but suddenly safe to play ND. If the P5 attempts to play in the Fall in league games only, I expect numerous lawsuits to be filed by G5 and FCS schools.

However, if the P5 picks up and moves the entire season to Spring, than our entire argument of using the Force Majure clause improperly becomes null because they cancelled all their games in the Fall, not just the ones they felt like not playing. At that point, the G5's are left with a difficult choice. Assuming they can get state clearance, do they chance it out with a late start, play maybe 10 games in the fall, mostly regional, and attempt to profit on Suddenly free television inventory on most of the major networks, even if it means low capacity or no capacity games, or bow to public pressure and move to Spring and just eat the losses, but play when it will almost certainly be safer?

What’s the likelihood that if all conferences cancel their games that it’s up to individual schools to decide if they want to play or not with their governor’s permission? Those schools that choose to play could try to make a patchwork schedule out of schools in their state or other nearby schools who are allowed to play. Here in Georgia with everything being open and Governor Kemp having a super hands off approach, I have to think it would at least be discussed.

(07-09-2020 08:36 PM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  

(07-09-2020 08:02 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  So, there's a lot of interesting ways this can go.

If the Big 10, PAC 12, and ACC play conference games only, most of the G5 loses out on one to two massive guarantee contracts. Every single one of those schools is going to claim Force Majure, and try to avoid paying the money.

Where this gets interesting, is what happens next. NC State for example, can't legally claim Force Majure and cancel the Troy game, but go ahead and play Notre Dame instead. Legally, it can't be too unsafe to play Troy, but suddenly safe to play ND. If the P5 attempts to play in the Fall in league games only, I expect numerous lawsuits to be filed by G5 and FCS schools.

However, if the P5 picks up and moves the entire season to Spring, than our entire argument of using the Force Majure clause improperly becomes null because they cancelled all their games in the Fall, not just the ones they felt like not playing. At that point, the G5's are left with a difficult choice. Assuming they can get state clearance, do they chance it out with a late start, play maybe 10 games in the fall, mostly regional, and attempt to profit on Suddenly free television inventory on most of the major networks, even if it means low capacity or no capacity games, or bow to public pressure and move to Spring and just eat the losses, but play when it will almost certainly be safer?

What’s the likelihood that if all conferences cancel their games that it’s up to individual schools to decide if they want to play or not with their governor’s permission? Those schools that choose to play could try to make a patchwork schedule out of schools in their state or other nearby schools who are allowed to play. Here in Georgia with everything being open and Governor Kemp having a super hands off approach, I have to think it would at least be discussed.

Schools are bound by their league regulations. If the Big 10 cancels all football until Spring, Maryland can't just decide to play their season then. In theory, I guess schools could seek permission to play maybe a regional OOC game or two late fall as things calm down, but that's not a certainty.

Now, if Say Georgia lets its schools play Football, but Alabama says no football, there's all sorts of dilemna's for schools in those leagues, and then all sorts of ethical questions about whether or not a state can legally even tell a school they can't play football. I know team sports were supposedly banned in Arkansas during April and May, but there were work arounds where teams would drive to another state that was allowing it and play games there.

(07-09-2020 02:34 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(07-09-2020 02:33 PM)_x_ Wrote:  Sounds official that B1G is cancelling non-conference games.

So no App @ Wisconsin or A-State @ Michigan.

Hey App. Want to play us twice this year instead of once? Lol

Yes

(07-09-2020 09:14 PM)trapdrawApp Wrote:  

(07-09-2020 02:34 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(07-09-2020 02:33 PM)_x_ Wrote:  Sounds official that B1G is cancelling non-conference games.

So no App @ Wisconsin or A-State @ Michigan.

Hey App. Want to play us twice this year instead of once? Lol

Yes

Hey It worked for Liberty and New Mexico State.

I guess it should be pointed out that you guys beat the crap out of us last time we met, and I should probably look for an opponent we can actually beat, but ULM isnt available, so this is the best we've got.

DII SIAC has cancelled all fall sports, but they are looking at playing them, including football, in the spring.

I have a bad feeling by this time next week we will know for sure that we will not have college football this fall.

This is the conference of Morehouse, who cancelled their season a couple weeks ago.

Interested to see how NFL prospects will handle a spring season. That's like bowl season on steroids.

(07-09-2020 09:49 PM)Usajags Wrote:  DII SIAC has cancelled all fall sports, but they are looking at playing them, including football, in the spring.

I have a bad feeling by this time next week we will know for sure that we will not have college football this fall.

This is the conference of Morehouse, who cancelled their season a couple weeks ago.

Miles College, a member of the SIAC, has said they are not giving up the season quit yet. They said there will be no “conference games” or championship, but as of now they are still allowed to play. They are discussing with other members of the SIAC, to check schedule options.

This could be an opening for those schools that want to play, even if their conference has shut it down. In the metro area of Birmingham their are 4 college football teams, from each level on the NCAA? Let those 4 teams play, it would be fun if nothing else.

The writing on the wall is that all the FBS conferences - P5 and G5 - will be conference schedule only with maybe a conference championship game. And that's all, no bowls or National champ. No playoffs for FCS for that matter. And then try to return to normal next year. As of today that is your best case scenario for this year. If you are a G5 scheduled to play a P5 you are SOL.

So it's all about winning the SBC, and that will be a lot of fun to do. So which of you are going to knock App St off the top of the sunbelt!? Is it YOU! Well we'll see about that :)

Let's get it on!!!

Why cancel OOC games but play conference games? I don’t get that logic.

What risks change?

(07-10-2020 05:53 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Why cancel OOC games but play conference games? I don’t get that logic.

What risks change?

Exactly.

Unless Dr Fauci and "science" has come out and said the virus can't be spread if you fly from Nebraska to New Jersey, but you can spread it between Boone & Madison or Jonesboro and Ann Arbor. Are conferences considered to be 'same household'?

Completely ridiculous. Play football.

To the Coastal Carolina guy: I could be wrong, but you're not the arbiter of college athletics. Don't like it? Afraid of catching the virus? Don't watch.

Can we just be consistent in our decisions for activities that can take place?

I see governors allowing similar activities for some and not others.

Either this virus is extremely serious and we should be consistent or be honest with ourselves that leaders are pandering as usual while picking winners and losers.

Hard to take guidance seriously.

(07-10-2020 05:53 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Why cancel OOC games but play conference games? I don’t get that logic.

What risks change?

The risks don't necessarily change, but the ways to mitigate those risks can be unilaterally controlled by the conference administration and hopefully evenly acted upon if they are only playing conference games. Examples would be if one conference tests every three weeks, but another conference tests every week, or one conference makes masks mandatory, but another one doesn't, etc.

So let me see if I have this straight.

It's too unsafe for Wisconsin to play App and Michigan to play Ark State in week 3.

But...

It's okay for these games scheduled for week 1:
Indiana @ Wisconsin
Northwestern @ Michigan State
Purdue @ Nebraska

GTFO. They're not concerned about safety, they know they're not going to have fans in the stands and that their ticket sales are compromised so they want to weasel out of paying for the games they agreed to pay.

Every FCS and G5 that had a payday game scheduled with the Big Ten needs to sue now.

From what I’ve read playing conference games only give the conference complete control of the the schedule in the event a team or teams can’t play one week due to a team outbreak. It allows the conference to shuffle the schedule weekly if needed to allow the teams capable of playing to play. So there is the chance that even though Purdue is scheduled to play IU this week, IU has a breakout, they can slide in Iowa in their place. Gonna make film and scouting harder, but at least you’re playing. Also, with only 10 conference games, there can be multiple off weeks schedule also in case of breakouts and schedule changes.

(07-09-2020 08:02 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  So, there's a lot of interesting ways this can go.

If the Big 10, PAC 12, and ACC play conference games only, most of the G5 loses out on one to two massive guarantee contracts. Every single one of those schools is going to claim Force Majure, and try to avoid paying the money.

Where this gets interesting, is what happens next. NC State for example, can't legally claim Force Majure and cancel the Troy game, but go ahead and play Notre Dame instead. Legally, it can't be too unsafe to play Troy, but suddenly safe to play ND. If the P5 attempts to play in the Fall in league games only, I expect numerous lawsuits to be filed by G5 and FCS schools.

However, if the P5 picks up and moves the entire season to Spring, than our entire argument of using the Force Majure clause improperly becomes null because they cancelled all their games in the Fall, not just the ones they felt like not playing. At that point, the G5's are left with a difficult choice. Assuming they can get state clearance, do they chance it out with a late start, play maybe 10 games in the fall, mostly regional, and attempt to profit on Suddenly free television inventory on most of the major networks, even if it means low capacity or no capacity games, or bow to public pressure and move to Spring and just eat the losses, but play when it will almost certainly be safer?

The biggest question if they move forward with conference only, is does conference decisions supersede a legally binding agreement made with a 3rd party. I would venture to say no. It should be up to that organization to make good on the contract, or air their grievances to their conference, in which they voluntarily belong.