(06-29-2020 12:45 PM)cr11owl Wrote:  

(06-29-2020 12:28 PM)WRC1975 Wrote:  Those developments occurred in the East Lot, not the West one.


Well parking in west lot has slowly been developed into other things (tennis stadium, opera house, continuing studies) while the student body has grown. So we need more parking and a garage is a good way to do that.

Well it’s known as “West Lot”. The one west of the stadium is Greenbriar lot.

I really wish Rice would rename West Lot to something less likely to cause confusion. "Stadium Lot" has a nice ring to it.

Then again, one of the serveries near the east end of campus (the one just east of Abercrombie Lab) is called West Servery. :(

30,000 fans at $50/ticket (which would be a STEAL for A&M fans for the views) would be $1.5mm. 60,000 fans at $50 would be $3mm. Add in parking and concessions, not to mention the atmosphere and that's a win to me even if we give up the entire gate vs 12,000 fans at $25 (or less) to see WKU.

(07-02-2020 11:22 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  30,000 fans at $50/ticket (which would be a STEAL for A&M fans for the views) would be $1.5mm. 60,000 fans at $50 would be $3mm. Add in parking and concessions, not to mention the atmosphere and that's a win to me even if we give up the entire gate vs 12,000 fans at $25 (or less) to see WKU.

This is likely a best case scenario, as far as Rice Stadium's ability to generate game day revenue is concerned, even if it were fully renovated and functional to the highest standards. You could be right, but we still wouldn't make any money on such a game.

I also would be very surprised if Rice is in a conference with any eastern schools by 2023. CUSA is about to split. We'll be playing regional schools soon. If our program is strong, and if area opponents bring the fans I believe they can, then we'll be averaging 23k every year. That's an exponential jump from the 4k we attract today.

(07-02-2020 11:40 AM)Ourland Wrote:  

(07-02-2020 11:22 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  30,000 fans at $50/ticket (which would be a STEAL for A&M fans for the views) would be $1.5mm. 60,000 fans at $50 would be $3mm. Add in parking and concessions, not to mention the atmosphere and that's a win to me even if we give up the entire gate vs 12,000 fans at $25 (or less) to see WKU.

This is likely a best case scenario, as far as Rice Stadium's ability to generate game day revenue is concerned, even if it were fully renovated and functional to the highest standards. You could be right, but we still wouldn't make any money on such a game.

I also would be very surprised if Rice is in a conference with any eastern schools by 2023. CUSA is about to split. We'll be playing regional schools soon. If our program is strong, and if area opponents bring the fans I believe they can, then we'll be averaging 23k every year. That's an exponential jump from the 4k we attract today.

My comment was really in response to criticism of SMU for giving up the gate and/or comments about what Reliant is worth.

No, you don't make money on that day, but you do set a bar and an expectation... and just as we used to have for Baseball, you get the chance to sell 'non Rice people' prime (expensive) seats for the whole season in order to get those great seats for A&M. I mean seriously... I think if we had A&M and UT (or LSU or whomever) on a home/home... and in order to get chair-backs or between the 30's, you needed to buy season tickets... that we'd sell 5,000+ season tickets to non-Rice people.... or 5,000 more seats to Rice people who would sell the 'prime' tickets in order to fund them.

'If our program is strong' and 'if those schools travel' has been the problem, and I really don't see that changing. The odds of those things aligning with any consistency seems to be a major issue.

Rice's indifference/ hostility toward major college athletics makes it imperative that our programs make ends meet financially. There can't be a scenario whereby we leave $1.5 million on the table, and there definitely can't be a scenario whereby we actually lose money to pay an opponent to play us in Rice Stadium. People on campus are looking for excuses to drop football. We can't give them that excuse by being a further drain on the overall budget. While your points are true, economics runs the show.

(07-02-2020 12:54 PM)Ourland Wrote:  Rice's indifference/ hostility toward major college athletics makes it imperative that our programs make ends meet financially. There can't be a scenario whereby we leave $1.5 million on the table, and there definitely can't be a scenario whereby we actually lose money to pay an opponent to play us in Rice Stadium. People on campus are looking for excuses to drop football. We can't give them that excuse by being a further drain on the overall budget. While your points are true, economics runs the show.

If the alternative is UTEP in front of 12k fans and we get 5,000 new season tickets (and I think that's conservative) then we're not remotely leaving $1.5mm on the table. If you're saying play A&M at Reliant instead, I'd have to look at the math.... and what it would actually take to get teams like that to Rice.

I don't know why the went to SMU or what it cost the ponies.... Maybe you do. I'm suggesting that it could cost a lot, and still be worth it. I never once discussed losing money... or paying more than the game was worth in total.

Fair enough

(07-01-2020 08:20 PM)georgewebb Wrote:  

(06-29-2020 12:45 PM)cr11owl Wrote:  

(06-29-2020 12:28 PM)WRC1975 Wrote:  Those developments occurred in the East Lot, not the West one.


Well parking in west lot has slowly been developed into other things (tennis stadium, opera house, continuing studies) while the student body has grown. So we need more parking and a garage is a good way to do that.

Well it’s known as “West Lot”. The one west of the stadium is Greenbriar lot.

I really wish Rice would rename West Lot to something less likely to cause confusion. "Stadium Lot" has a nice ring to it.

Then again, one of the serveries near the east end of campus (the one just east of Abercrombie Lab) is called West Servery. :(

To be fair, that servery is west of what was briefly East Servery. It just doesn't seem like it because we think of campus on the main axis of the loop, which isn't actually true east-west. (Source: I overthought this way too much at the time and finally pulled out the map to figure it out.)

Of course, the most accurate naming would be renaming the current south servery West, the current West Servery North, and the current North servery East. But that's neither here nor there.

(07-03-2020 12:56 AM)baker-13 Wrote:  

(07-01-2020 08:20 PM)georgewebb Wrote:  

(06-29-2020 12:45 PM)cr11owl Wrote:  

(06-29-2020 12:28 PM)WRC1975 Wrote:  Those developments occurred in the East Lot, not the West one.


Well parking in west lot has slowly been developed into other things (tennis stadium, opera house, continuing studies) while the student body has grown. So we need more parking and a garage is a good way to do that.

Well it’s known as “West Lot”. The one west of the stadium is Greenbriar lot.

I really wish Rice would rename West Lot to something less likely to cause confusion. "Stadium Lot" has a nice ring to it.

Then again, one of the serveries near the east end of campus (the one just east of Abercrombie Lab) is called West Servery. :(

To be fair, that servery is west of what was briefly East Servery. It just doesn't seem like it because we think of campus on the main axis of the loop, which isn't actually true east-west. (Source: I overthought this way too much at the time and finally pulled out the map to figure it out.)

Of course, the most accurate naming would be renaming the current south servery West, the current West Servery North, and the current North servery East. But that's neither here nor there.

About 10 years ago, I submitted a thoughtful proposal to give each server a distinctive name that reflected the colleges it served. Obviously it was not acted on.

(07-03-2020 03:52 PM)georgewebb Wrote:  

(07-03-2020 12:56 AM)baker-13 Wrote:  

(07-01-2020 08:20 PM)georgewebb Wrote:  

(06-29-2020 12:45 PM)cr11owl Wrote:  

(06-29-2020 12:28 PM)WRC1975 Wrote:  Those developments occurred in the East Lot, not the West one.


Well parking in west lot has slowly been developed into other things (tennis stadium, opera house, continuing studies) while the student body has grown. So we need more parking and a garage is a good way to do that.

Well it’s known as “West Lot”. The one west of the stadium is Greenbriar lot.

I really wish Rice would rename West Lot to something less likely to cause confusion. "Stadium Lot" has a nice ring to it.

Then again, one of the serveries near the east end of campus (the one just east of Abercrombie Lab) is called West Servery. :(

To be fair, that servery is west of what was briefly East Servery. It just doesn't seem like it because we think of campus on the main axis of the loop, which isn't actually true east-west. (Source: I overthought this way too much at the time and finally pulled out the map to figure it out.)

Of course, the most accurate naming would be renaming the current south servery West, the current West Servery North, and the current North servery East. But that's neither here nor there.

About 10 years ago, I submitted a thoughtful proposal to give each server a distinctive name that reflected the colleges it served. Obviously it was not acted on.

About 60 years ago, each college had its own commons, distinctively named after the college.

(07-03-2020 04:28 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(07-03-2020 03:52 PM)georgewebb Wrote:  

(07-03-2020 12:56 AM)baker-13 Wrote:  

(07-01-2020 08:20 PM)georgewebb Wrote:  

(06-29-2020 12:45 PM)cr11owl Wrote:  Well it’s known as “West Lot”. The one west of the stadium is Greenbriar lot.

I really wish Rice would rename West Lot to something less likely to cause confusion. "Stadium Lot" has a nice ring to it.

Then again, one of the serveries near the east end of campus (the one just east of Abercrombie Lab) is called West Servery. :(

To be fair, that servery is west of what was briefly East Servery. It just doesn't seem like it because we think of campus on the main axis of the loop, which isn't actually true east-west. (Source: I overthought this way too much at the time and finally pulled out the map to figure it out.)

Of course, the most accurate naming would be renaming the current south servery West, the current West Servery North, and the current North servery East. But that's neither here nor there.

About 10 years ago, I submitted a thoughtful proposal to give each server a distinctive name that reflected the colleges it served. Obviously it was not acted on.

About 60 years ago, each college had its own commons, distinctively named after the college.

IMBM, but I think they still do.
Each commons then connects to a shared servery.
60 years ago the food really sucked.
That is no longer the case.

(07-03-2020 08:59 PM)Grungy Wrote:  

(07-03-2020 04:28 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(07-03-2020 03:52 PM)georgewebb Wrote:  

(07-03-2020 12:56 AM)baker-13 Wrote:  

(07-01-2020 08:20 PM)georgewebb Wrote:  I really wish Rice would rename West Lot to something less likely to cause confusion. "Stadium Lot" has a nice ring to it.

Then again, one of the serveries near the east end of campus (the one just east of Abercrombie Lab) is called West Servery. :(

To be fair, that servery is west of what was briefly East Servery. It just doesn't seem like it because we think of campus on the main axis of the loop, which isn't actually true east-west. (Source: I overthought this way too much at the time and finally pulled out the map to figure it out.)

Of course, the most accurate naming would be renaming the current south servery West, the current West Servery North, and the current North servery East. But that's neither here nor there.

About 10 years ago, I submitted a thoughtful proposal to give each server a distinctive name that reflected the colleges it served. Obviously it was not acted on.

About 60 years ago, each college had its own commons, distinctively named after the college.

IMBM, but I think they still do.
Each commons then connects to a shared servery.
60 years ago the food really sucked.
That is no longer the case.

Haven't eaten on campus since 1968, so maybe some things have changed

Someone sent me a picture from inside, that shows that our dome does indeed have a translucent panel at the top, to let in natural light during the day.
They've taken down the construction fence that surrounded it.

(07-03-2020 08:59 PM)Grungy Wrote:  

(07-03-2020 04:28 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(07-03-2020 03:52 PM)georgewebb Wrote:  

(07-03-2020 12:56 AM)baker-13 Wrote:  

(07-01-2020 08:20 PM)georgewebb Wrote:  I really wish Rice would rename West Lot to something less likely to cause confusion. "Stadium Lot" has a nice ring to it.

Then again, one of the serveries near the east end of campus (the one just east of Abercrombie Lab) is called West Servery. :(

To be fair, that servery is west of what was briefly East Servery. It just doesn't seem like it because we think of campus on the main axis of the loop, which isn't actually true east-west. (Source: I overthought this way too much at the time and finally pulled out the map to figure it out.)

Of course, the most accurate naming would be renaming the current south servery West, the current West Servery North, and the current North servery East. But that's neither here nor there.

About 10 years ago, I submitted a thoughtful proposal to give each server a distinctive name that reflected the colleges it served. Obviously it was not acted on.

About 60 years ago, each college had its own commons, distinctively named after the college.

IMBM, but I think they still do.
Each commons then connects to a shared servery.
60 years ago the food really sucked.
That is no longer the case.

It helps to remember that the terms commons, servery, and kitchen each mean something different:
- Kitchen = where the food is cooked.
- Servery = where you pick up your food.
- Commons = dining hall (i.e. where you sit down to eat). Each college has its own -- this is hasn't change.

Old system:
- One single kitchen (Central Kitchen).
- This kitchen supplied food by truck to eight different serveries (which were also called "kitchens" although their cooking facilities were limited).
- Each servery served a single commons.

New system:
- Each servery has its own very complete kitchen.
- Each servery serves 2-3 commonness.

Common parlance has always somewhat conflated the food-prep and food-serving functions, but the nature of the conflation has changed:
- In the old system, each college's kitchen and servery were lumped together as a "kitchen".
- In the new system, each servery's kitchen and serving area are lumped together under the term "servery".

(07-13-2020 05:30 PM)georgewebb Wrote:  

(07-03-2020 08:59 PM)Grungy Wrote:  

(07-03-2020 04:28 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(07-03-2020 03:52 PM)georgewebb Wrote:  

(07-03-2020 12:56 AM)baker-13 Wrote:  To be fair, that servery is west of what was briefly East Servery. It just doesn't seem like it because we think of campus on the main axis of the loop, which isn't actually true east-west. (Source: I overthought this way too much at the time and finally pulled out the map to figure it out.)

Of course, the most accurate naming would be renaming the current south servery West, the current West Servery North, and the current North servery East. But that's neither here nor there.

About 10 years ago, I submitted a thoughtful proposal to give each server a distinctive name that reflected the colleges it served. Obviously it was not acted on.

About 60 years ago, each college had its own commons, distinctively named after the college.

IMBM, but I think they still do.
Each commons then connects to a shared servery.
60 years ago the food really sucked.
That is no longer the case.

It helps to remember that the terms commons, servery, and kitchen each mean something different:
- Kitchen = where the food is cooked.
- Servery = where you pick up your food.
- Commons = dining hall (i.e. where you sit down to eat). Each college has its own -- this is hasn't change.

Old system:
- One single kitchen (Central Kitchen).
- This kitchen supplied food by truck to eight different serveries (which were also called "kitchens" although their cooking facilities were limited).
- Each servery served a single commons.

New system:
- Each servery has its own very complete kitchen.
- Each servery serves 2-3 commonness.

Common parlance has always somewhat conflated the food-prep and food-serving functions, but the nature of the conflation has changed:
- In the old system, each college's kitchen and servery were lumped together as a "kitchen".
- In the new system, each servery's kitchen and serving area are lumped together under the term "servery".

Correction-- in the old system, what came out of Central Kitchen might have been called "food", but it was anything but. In today's new system, the food is restaurant quality.

(07-13-2020 07:32 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  

(07-13-2020 05:30 PM)georgewebb Wrote:  

(07-03-2020 08:59 PM)Grungy Wrote:  

(07-03-2020 04:28 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(07-03-2020 03:52 PM)georgewebb Wrote:  About 10 years ago, I submitted a thoughtful proposal to give each server a distinctive name that reflected the colleges it served. Obviously it was not acted on.

About 60 years ago, each college had its own commons, distinctively named after the college.

IMBM, but I think they still do.
Each commons then connects to a shared servery.
60 years ago the food really sucked.
That is no longer the case.

It helps to remember that the terms commons, servery, and kitchen each mean something different:
- Kitchen = where the food is cooked.
- Servery = where you pick up your food.
- Commons = dining hall (i.e. where you sit down to eat). Each college has its own -- this is hasn't change.

Old system:
- One single kitchen (Central Kitchen).
- This kitchen supplied food by truck to eight different serveries (which were also called "kitchens" although their cooking facilities were limited).
- Each servery served a single commons.

New system:
- Each servery has its own very complete kitchen.
- Each servery serves 2-3 commonness.

Common parlance has always somewhat conflated the food-prep and food-serving functions, but the nature of the conflation has changed:
- In the old system, each college's kitchen and servery were lumped together as a "kitchen".
- In the new system, each servery's kitchen and serving area are lumped together under the term "servery".

Correction-- in the old system, what came out of Central Kitchen might have been called "food", but it was anything but. In today's new system, the food is restaurant quality.

Pre-College System, everyone ate in a central dining hall, in what is now Baker Commons. Actually, compared to the food the year before the College System (1956-1957, we transitioned into the Colleges in April, 1957), the food got a lot better - but they also canned the lady in charge after a couple of food riots. Tossing our rock-hard rolls into the ceiling fans to see who could out-distance or out-aim the others was more enjoyable than the food.

Insides...
(took these from outside, through the windows in the emergency exit doors)

(07-15-2020 06:30 PM)Grungy Wrote:  Insides...
(took these from outside, through the windows in the emergency exit doors)

Thanks for sharing these!

Looks like it's good for everyone except punters and placekickers.

(07-15-2020 06:30 PM)Grungy Wrote:  Insides...
(took these from outside, through the windows in the emergency exit doors)

Wow! Looks surreal. My first thoughts were that it feels like a winter facility in Norway or something--but that's probably just the relative darkness of the photos on my monitor display. Nice pics, grungy--thanks for giving us out of towners a peek inside.

BTW, anything else happening on the stadium itself at the moment? (pressure washing or painting and such?)