I wouldn't be surprised if this fell into Trump's hands because now he has them for something that's not exactly legal.

(05-28-2020 09:33 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

Two pizzed off liberals in one post...skyscream away...you're about to get land slid come November. Then what are you hacks gonna do?

(05-28-2020 10:57 AM)450bench Wrote:  

(05-28-2020 09:33 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

Two pizzed off liberals in one post...skyscream away...you're about to get land slid come November. Then what are you hacks gonna do?

In peach mints

(05-28-2020 10:39 AM)gdunn Wrote:  I wouldn't be surprised if this fell into Trump's hands because now he has them for something that's not exactly legal.

They're trying to play both sides of the coin, and it has to be heads or tails. What they seem to want is, "Heads I win, tails you lose."

They want to get in under the ISP rule that says they are not responsible for, and can't be sued for, content as long as they are just providing a conduit. But if they start editing content, then it seems to me that they can no longer claim the ISP exemption.

(05-28-2020 11:02 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(05-28-2020 10:39 AM)gdunn Wrote:  I wouldn't be surprised if this fell into Trump's hands because now he has them for something that's not exactly legal.

They're trying to play both sides of the coin, and it has to be heads or tails. What they seem to want is, "Heads I win, tails you lose."

They want to get in under the ISP rule that says they are not responsible for, and can't be sued for, content as long as they are just providing a conduit. But if they start editing content, then it seems to me that they can no longer claim the ISP exemption.

Arrest Zuckerberg for the Kathy Griffin tweet-threatening a President in violation of their TOS.

(05-28-2020 11:02 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(05-28-2020 10:39 AM)gdunn Wrote:  I wouldn't be surprised if this fell into Trump's hands because now he has them for something that's not exactly legal.

They're trying to play both sides of the coin, and it has to be heads or tails. What they seem to want is, "Heads I win, tails you lose."

They want to get in under the ISP rule that says they are not responsible for, and can't be sued for, content as long as they are just providing a conduit. But if they start editing content, then it seems to me that they can no longer claim the ISP exemption.

Question is Owl, will Jack's TDS or one of his programmer's TDS flair up so bad they'll make the error and it destroy what they've built?

Make no mistake that Brad Parscale is no slouch when it comes to digital media and programming.

Trump shouldn't be tweeting stuff like that. But he has a valid issue, he just needs to handle it through channels.

(05-28-2020 11:02 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(05-28-2020 10:39 AM)gdunn Wrote:  I wouldn't be surprised if this fell into Trump's hands because now he has them for something that's not exactly legal.

They're trying to play both sides of the coin, and it has to be heads or tails. What they seem to want is, "Heads I win, tails you lose."

They want to get in under the ISP rule that says they are not responsible for, and can't be sued for, content as long as they are just providing a conduit. But if they start editing content, then it seems to me that they can no longer claim the ISP exemption.

Is there any correlation to this situation and what happend with Napster?

(05-28-2020 11:47 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(05-28-2020 11:02 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(05-28-2020 10:39 AM)gdunn Wrote:  I wouldn't be surprised if this fell into Trump's hands because now he has them for something that's not exactly legal.

They're trying to play both sides of the coin, and it has to be heads or tails. What they seem to want is, "Heads I win, tails you lose."
They want to get in under the ISP rule that says they are not responsible for, and can't be sued for, content as long as they are just providing a conduit. But if they start editing content, then it seems to me that they can no longer claim the ISP exemption.

Is there any correlation to this situation and what happend with Napster?

Napster was facilitating illegal activity, specifically copyright violations. ISPs have a duty to take action against illegal acts, as a condition of their exemption from liability. But censoring otherwise legal activity because some may find it offensive is a different animal.

The Great Orange Disruptor has them right where he wants them...and they are just now realizing it.

You can’t legitimately fact check one participant and ignore all the rest. The pimple has been popped.

Quote:After President Trump tweeted to raise concerns about states mailing all registered voters ballots, Twitter added a “fact check” label to those tweets Tuesday for the first time, stating that “there is no evidence that mail-in ballots are linked to voter fraud.”

Besides setting a dangerous precedent that will no doubt infringe on free speech, Twitter isn’t the authority on elections – the Committee on House Administration is. Committee Republicans recently produced a report on the fraud that exists in certain instances of vote-by-mail.

What most people don’t know about voting by mail is that there's a vast difference in states allowing voters to request an absentee ballot and what the Democrats in California are trying to do, which is the same thing that House Democrats tried to do with their political wish list disguised as coronavirus relief.

Democrats want to force states to mail all registered voters live ballots, whether or not voters request ballots.

While this may seem like a good way to vote that allows everyone to stay home during the coronavirus pandemic, forcing states to use an entirely new vote-by-mail system comes with its own problems – especially less than six months before the presidential and congressional elections.

How can you send every registered voter a live ballot in the mail when you don’t keep accurate voter registration lists?

The National Voter Registration Act (NVRA) requires states to have a uniform, nondiscriminatory voter registration list maintenance program. This requirement was part of the NVRA because the drafters foresaw the way public confidence is undermined when these lists are not maintained properly.

But many states have simply ignored or not had the resources to comply with this requirement, leaving states with inaccurate voter registration lists and certainly ill-prepared for voting by mail.

Allowing states to send all of their recorded registered voters a ballot without making states update their lists of registered voters would unquestionably invite fraud into elections.

Ballots would be mailed to addresses of individuals who have moved or passed away. The new residents may not be eligible to vote but could see the ballots in the mail and try to vote anyway.

At the beginning of May, California and Los Angeles County were required to remove 1.5 million inactive voters from their registration lists when a Judicial Watch lawsuit said Los Angeles County has more registered voters than citizens. You read that correctly – Los Angeles County has more registered voters than citizens.

If Democrats can federally mandate a nationwide all-mail election in November, election officials will be sending out more live ballots than voters, which will lead to fraudulent ballots being returned.

What Democrats are also not telling you is that California allows for ballot harvesting – meaning that any individual can pick up any number of ballots for any reason, completely unchecked.

These harvesters picking up ballots don’t have to show an ID, they don’t have to be a citizen, and they don’t have to be eligible to vote. You expect Americans to believe that having someone who can’t vote picking up ballots won’t invite fraud in our elections?

No one is keeping track of who is picking up thousands of ballots, so how do we know they’re being delivered? How do we know the harvesters aren’t altering votes or pressuring people on how to vote?

Also, why are Democrats pushing to allow for ballot harvesting when all these mail ballots will supposedly have prepaid postage? If voters can mail ballots in for free, then they don’t need “ballot brokers” coming to collect their ballots, unchecked.

This raises questions in my home state of Illinois, where the state Legislature just passed a bill to allow ballot drop boxes in Champaign County. These ballot boxes have no checks on who would be dropping off ballots or how many are turned in to these boxes, not to mention no supervision of the ballots once they’re dropped off.

Practices like these raise many red flags and leave our election systems ripe for fraud.

Democrats say vote-by-mail is our only option to make sure everyone can vote, but what about the Americans who are unable to easily vote from home?

The Native American Rights Fund, an organization that provides legal assistance to tribes and individual Native Americans, outlined potential obstacles for Native Americans in an entirely vote-by-mail election, like issues with access to traditional mail services, a lack of broadband connectivity, and cultural communication barriers.

Democrats, who blame everyone but themselves for suppressing voters, are now going to allow a practice that will discriminate against thousands?

The fact of the matter is, transitioning to an all vote-by-mail election wouldn’t even be possible at this point. States without the vote-by-mail infrastructure are not equipped to transition to an all vote-by-mail election.

A Bipartisan Policy Center review revealed that 34 states had fewer than 15 percent of their ballots cast by mail during the 2018 election, with many in the single digits.

Washington Secretary of State Kim Wyman, whose state has been using vote-by-mail for many years, has said if states are not already at 60 percent of ballots or above being cast by mail they are unlikely to be prepared all-mail-in elections in November.

States that have successfully implemented vote-by-mail did so over the span of several years with intense, focused statewide training for state and local officials who are actually conducting elections.

A successful transition to an election by mail requires major technology and staff upgrades, managing resources between in-person and mail voting, adjusting ballot return deadlines, configuring prepaid postage, and setting realistic ballot processing expectations.

If states try now to implement an entirely vote-by-mail system and mail every voter on their outdated registration lists a ballot, they are inviting fraud into our elections.

My message to Twitter: Before you decide to censor speech by throwing a label on the president of the United States – or any American – make sure you know the facts yourself.

Link

(05-28-2020 09:38 AM)GrayBeard Wrote:  Personally, I wish Trump would get banned from Twitter....the MSM wouldn't know what to feign outrage over then...

That might be the way to crush Twitter. How many folks go there just to see what 'outrageous' thing that POTUS tweeted about today? Some media outlets might have to just go back to trying to cover actual news, since their go-to source of daily outrage had dried up.

Even though I support the man politically, I often cringe when I see what he tweeted. I understand, though why he originally got on twitter - to do an end run around the press, so they couldn't distort whatever message he is trying to send.

(05-28-2020 10:29 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(05-28-2020 09:38 AM)GrayBeard Wrote:  Personally, I wish Trump would get banned from Twitter....the MSM wouldn't know what to feign outrage over then...

Look for Team Trump to come up with its own "Social Media" app to debut around the end of September. Free Download at the App Store and Google Play. That would blow the media's head off. They will automatically complain about needed censorship on Platforms and it will destroy Twitter etc.

Yep, just like Oblunder wanting Fox News off the air because it didn't conform to his Leftists agenda they'll try to do the same thing to this APP if it does come around.

They want to be the sole voice for the people, you know, just like China is to their people.

(05-28-2020 12:33 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  

(05-28-2020 10:29 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(05-28-2020 09:38 AM)GrayBeard Wrote:  Personally, I wish Trump would get banned from Twitter....the MSM wouldn't know what to feign outrage over then...

Look for Team Trump to come up with its own "Social Media" app to debut around the end of September. Free Download at the App Store and Google Play. That would blow the media's head off. They will automatically complain about needed censorship on Platforms and it will destroy Twitter etc.

Yep, just like Oblunder wanting Fox News off the air because it didn't conform to his Leftists agenda they'll try to do the same thing to this APP if it does come around.

They want to be the sole voice for the people, you know, just like China is to their people.

Well that is acceptable, but you can't go around calling other networks Fake News or ya know #impeachment #25thamendment #wallowinselfpity

(05-28-2020 12:33 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  

(05-28-2020 10:29 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(05-28-2020 09:38 AM)GrayBeard Wrote:  Personally, I wish Trump would get banned from Twitter....the MSM wouldn't know what to feign outrage over then...

Look for Team Trump to come up with its own "Social Media" app to debut around the end of September. Free Download at the App Store and Google Play. That would blow the media's head off. They will automatically complain about needed censorship on Platforms and it will destroy Twitter etc.

Yep, just like Oblunder wanting Fox News off the air because it didn't conform to his Leftists agenda they'll try to do the same thing to this APP if it does come around.

They want to be the sole voice for the people, you know, just like China is to their people.

He didn't even begin to imply any such thing. Try again.

(05-28-2020 01:08 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(05-28-2020 12:33 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  

(05-28-2020 10:29 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(05-28-2020 09:38 AM)GrayBeard Wrote:  Personally, I wish Trump would get banned from Twitter....the MSM wouldn't know what to feign outrage over then...

Look for Team Trump to come up with its own "Social Media" app to debut around the end of September. Free Download at the App Store and Google Play. That would blow the media's head off. They will automatically complain about needed censorship on Platforms and it will destroy Twitter etc.

Yep, just like Oblunder wanting Fox News off the air because it didn't conform to his Leftists agenda they'll try to do the same thing to this APP if it does come around.

They want to be the sole voice for the people, you know, just like China is to their people.

He didn't even begin to imply any such thing. Try again.

Educate thy self...

(05-28-2020 11:59 AM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

Quote:After President Trump tweeted to raise concerns about states mailing all registered voters ballots, Twitter added a “fact check” label to those tweets Tuesday for the first time, stating that “there is no evidence that mail-in ballots are linked to voter fraud.”

Besides setting a dangerous precedent that will no doubt infringe on free speech, Twitter isn’t the authority on elections – the Committee on House Administration is. Committee Republicans recently produced a report on the fraud that exists in certain instances of vote-by-mail.

What most people don’t know about voting by mail is that there's a vast difference in states allowing voters to request an absentee ballot and what the Democrats in California are trying to do, which is the same thing that House Democrats tried to do with their political wish list disguised as coronavirus relief.

Democrats want to force states to mail all registered voters live ballots, whether or not voters request ballots.

While this may seem like a good way to vote that allows everyone to stay home during the coronavirus pandemic, forcing states to use an entirely new vote-by-mail system comes with its own problems – especially less than six months before the presidential and congressional elections.

How can you send every registered voter a live ballot in the mail when you don’t keep accurate voter registration lists?

The National Voter Registration Act (NVRA) requires states to have a uniform, nondiscriminatory voter registration list maintenance program. This requirement was part of the NVRA because the drafters foresaw the way public confidence is undermined when these lists are not maintained properly.

But many states have simply ignored or not had the resources to comply with this requirement, leaving states with inaccurate voter registration lists and certainly ill-prepared for voting by mail.

Allowing states to send all of their recorded registered voters a ballot without making states update their lists of registered voters would unquestionably invite fraud into elections.

Ballots would be mailed to addresses of individuals who have moved or passed away. The new residents may not be eligible to vote but could see the ballots in the mail and try to vote anyway.

At the beginning of May, California and Los Angeles County were required to remove 1.5 million inactive voters from their registration lists when a Judicial Watch lawsuit said Los Angeles County has more registered voters than citizens. You read that correctly – Los Angeles County has more registered voters than citizens.

If Democrats can federally mandate a nationwide all-mail election in November, election officials will be sending out more live ballots than voters, which will lead to fraudulent ballots being returned.

What Democrats are also not telling you is that California allows for ballot harvesting – meaning that any individual can pick up any number of ballots for any reason, completely unchecked.

These harvesters picking up ballots don’t have to show an ID, they don’t have to be a citizen, and they don’t have to be eligible to vote. You expect Americans to believe that having someone who can’t vote picking up ballots won’t invite fraud in our elections?

No one is keeping track of who is picking up thousands of ballots, so how do we know they’re being delivered? How do we know the harvesters aren’t altering votes or pressuring people on how to vote?

Also, why are Democrats pushing to allow for ballot harvesting when all these mail ballots will supposedly have prepaid postage? If voters can mail ballots in for free, then they don’t need “ballot brokers” coming to collect their ballots, unchecked.

This raises questions in my home state of Illinois, where the state Legislature just passed a bill to allow ballot drop boxes in Champaign County. These ballot boxes have no checks on who would be dropping off ballots or how many are turned in to these boxes, not to mention no supervision of the ballots once they’re dropped off.

Practices like these raise many red flags and leave our election systems ripe for fraud.

Democrats say vote-by-mail is our only option to make sure everyone can vote, but what about the Americans who are unable to easily vote from home?

The Native American Rights Fund, an organization that provides legal assistance to tribes and individual Native Americans, outlined potential obstacles for Native Americans in an entirely vote-by-mail election, like issues with access to traditional mail services, a lack of broadband connectivity, and cultural communication barriers.

Democrats, who blame everyone but themselves for suppressing voters, are now going to allow a practice that will discriminate against thousands?

The fact of the matter is, transitioning to an all vote-by-mail election wouldn’t even be possible at this point. States without the vote-by-mail infrastructure are not equipped to transition to an all vote-by-mail election.

A Bipartisan Policy Center review revealed that 34 states had fewer than 15 percent of their ballots cast by mail during the 2018 election, with many in the single digits.

Washington Secretary of State Kim Wyman, whose state has been using vote-by-mail for many years, has said if states are not already at 60 percent of ballots or above being cast by mail they are unlikely to be prepared all-mail-in elections in November.

States that have successfully implemented vote-by-mail did so over the span of several years with intense, focused statewide training for state and local officials who are actually conducting elections.

A successful transition to an election by mail requires major technology and staff upgrades, managing resources between in-person and mail voting, adjusting ballot return deadlines, configuring prepaid postage, and setting realistic ballot processing expectations.

If states try now to implement an entirely vote-by-mail system and mail every voter on their outdated registration lists a ballot, they are inviting fraud into our elections.

My message to Twitter: Before you decide to censor speech by throwing a label on the president of the United States – or any American – make sure you know the facts yourself.

Link

So was that link on Twitter?

(05-28-2020 01:08 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(05-28-2020 12:33 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  

(05-28-2020 10:29 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(05-28-2020 09:38 AM)GrayBeard Wrote:  Personally, I wish Trump would get banned from Twitter....the MSM wouldn't know what to feign outrage over then...

Look for Team Trump to come up with its own "Social Media" app to debut around the end of September. Free Download at the App Store and Google Play. That would blow the media's head off. They will automatically complain about needed censorship on Platforms and it will destroy Twitter etc.

Yep, just like Oblunder wanting Fox News off the air because it didn't conform to his Leftists agenda they'll try to do the same thing to this APP if it does come around.

They want to be the sole voice for the people, you know, just like China is to their people.

He didn't even begin to imply any such thing. Try again.

Yeah, pretty sure Obama disliked Fox but I don't think he was in support of reinstating the Fairness Doctrine.