I'm surprised that nobody has posted anything about the killing of George Floyd. There are videos all over youtube on it.
Of the footage I've seen, it seems that keeping your knee on the man's neck while he is telling them he can't breathe and is not resisting is likely the cause of death. That move seems to be standard police training all over the country. But it is dangerous and if the cop is a dick or just not well trained or aware, it can be deadly.
Outrageous the number of people killed while being arrested these days. At least Minneapolis fired the 4 officers.
(This post was last modified: 05-27-2020 07:03 PM by MileHighBronco.)
20ish years ago, the then national director of training retired. He did an interview on some late night radio talk show and he said then. You are going to see a big rise in deaths due to police brutality. The new director was a shoot first, ask questions later kind of guy. He did say he understood the thought process and knew the new director just wanted to protect cops as much as he could, but there was going to be a boiling point when citizens would decide enough was enough.
(05-27-2020 07:05 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote: Would like to know entire context of this, yes excessive use of force but why?
I haven't watched all the videos but I never saw him really resisting. The 4 officers have been fired and there is a possibility of charges being filed against the one who had his knee on the guy's neck.
Once the cuffs were on him, NO NEED to keep your knee on his neck unless you are a vindictive prick.
(This post was last modified: 05-27-2020 07:13 PM by MileHighBronco.)
(05-27-2020 07:05 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote: Would like to know entire context of this, yes excessive use of force but why?
I haven't watched all the videos but I never saw him really resisting. The 4 officers have been fired and there is a possibility of charges being filed against the one who had his knee on the guy's neck.
Once the cuffs were on him, NO NEED to keep your knee on his neck unless you are a vindictive prick.
Waiting to see how the critics are going to react to FL shooting. Cops shot a-hole walking down the road with rifle shortly after he tried carjacking a lady. He was ordered to put down the gun but raised it toward one of the cops. If ANYONE says this wasn't justified BS. The MN cop may be bad apple, but tired of a bad apple being the face for all.
(05-27-2020 07:05 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote: Would like to know entire context of this, yes excessive use of force but why?
I haven't watched all the videos but I never saw him really resisting. The 4 officers have been fired and there is a possibility of charges being filed against the one who had his knee on the guy's neck.
Once the cuffs were on him, NO NEED to keep your knee on his neck unless you are a vindictive prick.
Waiting to see how the critics are going to react to FL shooting. Cops shot a-hole walking down the road with rifle shortly after he tried carjacking a lady. He was ordered to put down the gun but raised it toward one of the cops. If ANYONE says this wasn't justified BS. The MN cop may be bad apple, but tired of a bad apple being the face for all.
I'm right there with you on that one. I'm generally supportive of the cops until stuff like this happens. Sadly, this kind of stuff is happening all over the country. I truly believe that a shift has occurred once the police started to become militarized, with equipment and many new recruits coming from the military. I believe that police TRAINING is a big part of the problem.
(05-27-2020 07:05 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote: Would like to know entire context of this, yes excessive use of force but why?
I haven't watched all the videos but I never saw him really resisting. The 4 officers have been fired and there is a possibility of charges being filed against the one who had his knee on the guy's neck.
Once the cuffs were on him, NO NEED to keep your knee on his neck unless you are a vindictive prick.
Waiting to see how the critics are going to react to FL shooting. Cops shot a-hole walking down the road with rifle shortly after he tried carjacking a lady. He was ordered to put down the gun but raised it toward one of the cops. If ANYONE says this wasn't justified BS. The MN cop may be bad apple, but tired of a bad apple being the face for all.
No one will care about the story you mentioned because it doesn’t advance a narrative. That is why these bad apples become the face of police brutality. If this cop isn’t charged with murder it will be a call to riot.
There needs to be elevated qualifications to become a police officer, better deescalation training and an overhaul of laws in order to get a handle on this. Only a handful of the 1000 deaths attributed the police fall into the realm of justified.
(05-27-2020 07:05 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote: Would like to know entire context of this, yes excessive use of force but why?
I haven't watched all the videos but I never saw him really resisting. The 4 officers have been fired and there is a possibility of charges being filed against the one who had his knee on the guy's neck.
Once the cuffs were on him, NO NEED to keep your knee on his neck unless you are a vindictive prick.
Waiting to see how the critics are going to react to FL shooting. Cops shot a-hole walking down the road with rifle shortly after he tried carjacking a lady. He was ordered to put down the gun but raised it toward one of the cops. If ANYONE says this wasn't justified BS. The MN cop may be bad apple, but tired of a bad apple being the face for all.
No one will care about the story you mentioned because it doesn’t advance a narrative. That is why these bad apples become the face of police brutality. If this cop isn’t charged with murder it will be a call to riot.
There needs to be elevated qualifications to become a police officer, better deescalation training and an overhaul of laws in order to get a handle on this. Only a handful of the 1000 deaths attributed the police fall into the realm of justified.
Really? I think before you make a statement like that you need to walk a mile in a cop's shoes. Cops like it or not are people too. They want to go home at the end of the day just like everyone else. They're forced to not only be an officer of the court, but in a few unfortunate cases become Judge and Jury. The actions they have to take due to the circumstances can result in DEATH. Here's a hint, if a cop (officer of the court) gives you an order, FOLLOW IT, don't escalate the situation, let a real judge prove you right and the cop will lose their job and you live.
(This post was last modified: 05-27-2020 07:40 PM by THE NC Herd Fan.)
(05-27-2020 07:39 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote: Here's a hint, if a cop (officer of the court) gives you an order, FOLLOW IT, don't escalate the situation, let a real judge prove you right and the cop will lose their job and you live.
It seems that the man in the video was doing exactly that. It didn't save his life. This is happening far too often.
However, SOME cops get drunk on power and make orders that have nothing to do with what they are there for. Power trippers that should be removed from the force. These should be caught during the psych part of their pre-employment screening but often aren't.
(05-27-2020 07:05 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote: Would like to know entire context of this, yes excessive use of force but why?
I haven't watched all the videos but I never saw him really resisting. The 4 officers have been fired and there is a possibility of charges being filed against the one who had his knee on the guy's neck.
Once the cuffs were on him, NO NEED to keep your knee on his neck unless you are a vindictive prick.
Waiting to see how the critics are going to react to FL shooting. Cops shot a-hole walking down the road with rifle shortly after he tried carjacking a lady. He was ordered to put down the gun but raised it toward one of the cops. If ANYONE says this wasn't justified BS. The MN cop may be bad apple, but tired of a bad apple being the face for all.
No one will care about the story you mentioned because it doesn’t advance a narrative. That is why these bad apples become the face of police brutality. If this cop isn’t charged with murder it will be a call to riot.
There needs to be elevated qualifications to become a police officer, better deescalation training and an overhaul of laws in order to get a handle on this. Only a handful of the 1000 deaths attributed the police fall into the realm of justified.
First off I'm not a person that think cops are always correct. I know they beat people and set people up...some of them.
but i'm calling bullcrap on the part in bold and asking you to back it up with any facts. If anything I would guess 95+% of all deaths attributed the police are justified. And a weapon/gun was involved by the person who got killed
(This post was last modified: 05-27-2020 08:15 PM by WKUYG.)
(05-27-2020 07:39 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote: Here's a hint, if a cop (officer of the court) gives you an order, FOLLOW IT, don't escalate the situation, let a real judge prove you right and the cop will lose their job and you live.
It seems that the man in the video was doing exactly that. It didn't save his life. This is happening far too often.
However, SOME cops get drunk on power and make orders that have nothing to do with what they are there for. Power trippers that should be removed from the force. These should be caught during the psych part of their pre-employment screening but often aren't.
After second video released that provides full context, no resistance by the suspect, not sure why the officer did what he did, but at this point nothing to show he was justified. If it was poor training (not likely) or a power hungry ass (more likely) I think there should be a different crime for this, not murder but something that better describes the actions. For poor training, I think punishment should be less severe, power hungry ass gets close to murder, but what is the charge.
(This post was last modified: 05-27-2020 08:16 PM by THE NC Herd Fan.)
It’s murder and each of them should serve time for murder in some form.
Call me a conspiracy theorist, but I feel like this was a staged public execution in a key district for a congressional seat. IIhan Omar’s district. Nothing pulls votes like race wars. Somebody’s getting marching orders and they abusing Black Death to pander to black voters.
You want to protest. Legally arm yourselfs and assemble. Dare those cops to throw tear gas or shoot rubber bullets at you then....
Black Guns Matter.
That looting makes you look selfish because you damn well know his family ain’t a part of that and I’d be willing to bet if you asked the most random person there, who they are seeking justice for, they couldn’t name him.
(This post was last modified: 05-27-2020 08:35 PM by BlazinBham.)
(05-27-2020 08:29 PM)BlazinBham Wrote: It’s murder and each of them should serve time for murder in some form.
Call me a conspiracy theorist, but I feel like this was a staged public execution in a key district for a congressional seat. IIhan Omar’s district. Nothing pulls votes like race wars. Somebody’s getting marching orders and they abusing Black Death to pander to black voters.
You want to protest. Legally arm yourselfs and assemble. Dare those cops to throw tear gas or shoot rubber bullets at you then....
I agree w/ all 3 points. Hopefully the FBI will look into Item 2. Don't get me wrong, this kind of stuff does happen unfortunately, but a red flag went off when I saw the video.
(This post was last modified: 05-27-2020 08:36 PM by Bronco'14.)
