(05-08-2020 12:21 PM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  I have no idea what the truth is here but I will say this young man acted irrationally. All he had to do was do what these idiots said. Play it out. Then sue the chit out of them. Lesson learned the ultimate hard way.

... So someone randomly throws a gun in your face and you're just going to "let it play out?" Doubt.

(05-08-2020 02:09 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  Besides Avery's arrest and conviction in 2013 did he have any other convictions?

Why does it matter? Watch the video. Those men had zero reason to accost him with firearms. They are not the police, there was no evidence for a citizen's arrest and they escalated the encounter. They deserve their day in court but the facts are facts.

(05-08-2020 02:17 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  

(05-08-2020 12:21 PM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  I have no idea what the truth is here but I will say this young man acted irrationally. All he had to do was do what these idiots said. Play it out. Then sue the chit out of them. Lesson learned the ultimate hard way.

... So someone randomly throws a gun in your face and you're just going to "let it play out?" Doubt.

Police and employers unanimously tell you if there is an armed robbery, you "let it play out."

(05-08-2020 02:17 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  

(05-08-2020 12:21 PM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  I have no idea what the truth is here but I will say this young man acted irrationally. All he had to do was do what these idiots said. Play it out. Then sue the chit out of them. Lesson learned the ultimate hard way.

... So someone randomly throws a gun in your face and you're just going to "let it play out?" Doubt.

That is not what happened.

(05-08-2020 02:30 PM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  

(05-08-2020 02:09 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  Besides Avery's arrest and conviction in 2013 did he have any other convictions?

Why does it matter? Watch the video. Those men had zero reason to accost him with firearms. They are not the police, there was no evidence for a citizen's arrest and they escalated the encounter. They deserve their day in court but the facts are facts.

Of course they had a reason. You guys seem to want to totally abandon due process. How can you say they deserve their day in court and then the facts have already been established LOL. There is no logic to that.

(05-08-2020 02:32 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(05-08-2020 02:17 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  

(05-08-2020 12:21 PM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  I have no idea what the truth is here but I will say this young man acted irrationally. All he had to do was do what these idiots said. Play it out. Then sue the chit out of them. Lesson learned the ultimate hard way.

... So someone randomly throws a gun in your face and you're just going to "let it play out?" Doubt.

Police and employers unanimously tell you if there is an armed robbery, you "let it play out."

They’ve actually moved on to a run, hide, or fight method now.

(05-08-2020 02:39 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(05-08-2020 02:32 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(05-08-2020 02:17 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  

(05-08-2020 12:21 PM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  I have no idea what the truth is here but I will say this young man acted irrationally. All he had to do was do what these idiots said. Play it out. Then sue the chit out of them. Lesson learned the ultimate hard way.

... So someone randomly throws a gun in your face and you're just going to "let it play out?" Doubt.

Police and employers unanimously tell you if there is an armed robbery, you "let it play out."

They’ve actually moved on to a run, hide, or fight method now.

You just have to use your best judgement. Every scenario is different but flight or fight is real. So is freezing up. Depends on where you were raised and where you live and are at the moment also.

(05-08-2020 02:39 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(05-08-2020 02:30 PM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  

(05-08-2020 02:09 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  Besides Avery's arrest and conviction in 2013 did he have any other convictions?

Why does it matter? Watch the video. Those men had zero reason to accost him with firearms. They are not the police, there was no evidence for a citizen's arrest and they escalated the encounter. They deserve their day in court but the facts are facts.

Of course they had a reason. You guys seem to want to totally abandon due process. How can you say they deserve their day in court and then the facts have already been established LOL. There is no logic to that.

You cannot claim citizens arrest without immediate knowledge. Probable cause does not cut it. The police report reads they had probable cause at best and Nowhere near immediate knowledge

(05-08-2020 02:17 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  

(05-08-2020 12:21 PM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  I have no idea what the truth is here but I will say this young man acted irrationally. All he had to do was do what these idiots said. Play it out. Then sue the chit out of them. Lesson learned the ultimate hard way.

... So someone randomly throws a gun in your face and you're just going to "let it play out?" Doubt.

Yes. It has happened to me. That is all you can do without being shot. Dont talk shite. Dont threaten. Dont lunge.

You might live. I did.

(05-08-2020 01:02 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  I jog a good bit. I never jog without my phone.

If I’m out jogging and it looks like I’m being harassed without cause or threatened... I’m not gonna continue running. I’m gonna find a spot to hide somehow and call the cops.

Why is this question not being asked? I see people jogging, walking, running ALL the time. I rarely ever see any of them without a phone regardless of race, ethnicity, gender, etc.


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(05-08-2020 03:51 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(05-08-2020 02:17 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  

(05-08-2020 12:21 PM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  I have no idea what the truth is here but I will say this young man acted irrationally. All he had to do was do what these idiots said. Play it out. Then sue the chit out of them. Lesson learned the ultimate hard way.

... So someone randomly throws a gun in your face and you're just going to "let it play out?" Doubt.

Yes. It has happened to me. That is all you can do without being shot. Dont talk shite. Dont threaten. Dont lunge.

You might live. I did.

Well we have the gold standard!

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(05-08-2020 04:18 PM)fsquid Wrote:  

(05-08-2020 03:51 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(05-08-2020 02:17 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  

(05-08-2020 12:21 PM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  I have no idea what the truth is here but I will say this young man acted irrationally. All he had to do was do what these idiots said. Play it out. Then sue the chit out of them. Lesson learned the ultimate hard way.

... So someone randomly throws a gun in your face and you're just going to "let it play out?" Doubt.

Yes. It has happened to me. That is all you can do without being shot. Dont talk shite. Dont threaten. Dont lunge.

You might live. I did.

Well we have the gold standard!

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(05-08-2020 03:51 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(05-08-2020 02:17 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  

(05-08-2020 12:21 PM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  I have no idea what the truth is here but I will say this young man acted irrationally. All he had to do was do what these idiots said. Play it out. Then sue the chit out of them. Lesson learned the ultimate hard way.

... So someone randomly throws a gun in your face and you're just going to "let it play out?" Doubt.

Yes. It has happened to me. That is all you can do without being shot. Dont talk shite. Dont threaten. Dont lunge.

You might live. I did.

I've had them pointed at me 3 times in my life. Every case was different as was my response. The first was a rogue cop who was angry about who it was I was dating. I complied, turned his ass in and got him fired. Without his badge he wasn't so tough.

The second time I was taking a battered woman to a shelter. The police were to already have been on the scene to handle the abusive boyfriend. They didn't show up for an hour. I got there 30 minutes ahead of them and talked the drunk guy down and he laid down his cheap .357. Then the damned cops showed up with sirens going. I think that may be the closest time I've come to getting shot.

The third time a woman was being assaulted in the parking lot of the mall. It plain pissed me off so I started running at the situation screaming. That part worked. Others started running toward the situation as well. The perp pointed his .25 automatic in everyone's direction and never fired but did haul ass. We gave the police who arrived appropriately and were stellar the description of the perp, the woman thanked us and we left.

All of them were easier to handle than a threat of car bomb I received for thwarting a nefarious group of leftist thugs. Spreading talcum powder around your car after dark so you can see footprints in the morning is a pain in the ass. Feeling behind each tire for a fishing line attached to popsicle stick separating two copper wires on a clothes pin attached to an explosive is not fun, especially when the organization you are facing has carried out such threats in the past.

But all of that said the real danger you face every day of your life is stupidity. Some ******* texting on his cell phone while driving is far more likely to end your life than even a thug with a gun in a bad neighborhood.

We all need to keep that in perspective.

PS: I if were on a jury involving a gun shot I would listen very carefully to all of the evidence before giving my judgment. If I hear a story that starts with a driver and a cell phone as far as I'm concerned they are guilty as charged and should be shown no mercy. They are killing as many or more people than drunk drivers.

(05-08-2020 04:21 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(05-08-2020 03:51 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(05-08-2020 02:17 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  

(05-08-2020 12:21 PM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  I have no idea what the truth is here but I will say this young man acted irrationally. All he had to do was do what these idiots said. Play it out. Then sue the chit out of them. Lesson learned the ultimate hard way.

... So someone randomly throws a gun in your face and you're just going to "let it play out?" Doubt.

Yes. It has happened to me. That is all you can do without being shot. Dont talk shite. Dont threaten. Dont lunge.

You might live. I did.

I've had them pointed at me 3 times in my life. Every case was different as was my response. The first was a rogue cop who was angry about who it was I was dating. I complied, turned his ass in and got him fired. Without his badge he wasn't so tough.

The second time I was taking a battered woman to a shelter. The police were to already have been on the scene to handle the abusive boyfriend. They didn't show up for an hour. I got there 30 minutes ahead of them and talked the drunk guy down and he laid down his cheap .357. Then the damned cops showed up with sirens going. I think that may be the closest time I've come to getting shot.

The third time a woman was being assaulted in the parking lot of the mall. It plain pissed me off so I started running at the situation screaming. That part worked. Others started running toward the situation as well. The perp pointed his .25 automatic in everyone's direction and never fired but did haul ass. We gave the police who arrived appropriately and were stellar the description of the perp, the woman thanked us and we left.

All of them were easier to handle than a threat of car bomb I received for thwarting a nefarious group of leftist thugs. Spreading talcum powder around your car after dark so you can see footprints in the morning is a pain in the ass. Feeling behind each tire for a fishing line attached to popsicle stick separating two copper wires on a clothes pin attached to an explosive is not fun, especially when the organization you are facing has carried out such threats in the past.

But all of that said the real danger you face every day of your life is stupidity. Some ******* texting on his cell phone while driving is far more likely to end your life than even a thug with a gun in a bad neighborhood.

We all need to keep that in perspective.

I had a gun pointed at me when I was 19 years old. I got thrown on the hood of a car, gun pointed in my face. Like you I didn't say anything and complied. Turned out it was a case of mistaken identity.... I didn't say anything at the scene and later went to the police station where I received an apology from the officer and his supervisor (I did not fit the profile at all actually).

Ironies of all ironies I happened to be working to work that morning... it was a scheduled all-store participation in inventory. I was late because of the incident, one of my co-workers was the wife of the cop who put the gun to my face. Somehow she put two-and-two together after hearing my story and her husband discussing the incident with her that evening. She was mad at him and made him apologize.

Anyone can decry all they want about what he should or should not have done... but until you are a black man, in America, jogging through a neighborhood, and 2 white men stop you, guns blazing, out of nowhere, you have no idea how one would or should react.

To blame the victim here is gross.

(05-08-2020 04:21 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(05-08-2020 03:51 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(05-08-2020 02:17 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  

(05-08-2020 12:21 PM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  I have no idea what the truth is here but I will say this young man acted irrationally. All he had to do was do what these idiots said. Play it out. Then sue the chit out of them. Lesson learned the ultimate hard way.

... So someone randomly throws a gun in your face and you're just going to "let it play out?" Doubt.

Yes. It has happened to me. That is all you can do without being shot. Dont talk shite. Dont threaten. Dont lunge.

You might live. I did.

I've had them pointed at me 3 times in my life. Every case was different as was my response. The first was a rogue cop who was angry about who it was I was dating. I complied, turned his ass in and got him fired. Without his badge he wasn't so tough.

The second time I was taking a battered woman to a shelter. The police were to already have been on the scene to handle the abusive boyfriend. They didn't show up for an hour. I got there 30 minutes ahead of them and talked the drunk guy down and he laid down his cheap .357. Then the damned cops showed up with sirens going. I think that may be the closest time I've come to getting shot.

The third time a woman was being assaulted in the parking lot of the mall. It plain pissed me off so I started running at the situation screaming. That part worked. Others started running toward the situation as well. The perp pointed his .25 automatic in everyone's direction and never fired but did haul ass. We gave the police who arrived appropriately and were stellar the description of the perp, the woman thanked us and we left.

All of them were easier to handle than a threat of car bomb I received for thwarting a nefarious group of leftist thugs. Spreading talcum powder around your car after dark so you can see footprints in the morning is a pain in the ass. Feeling behind each tire for a fishing line attached to popsicle stick separating two copper wires on a clothes pin attached to an explosive is not fun, especially when the organization you are facing has carried out such threats in the past.

But all of that said the real danger you face every day of your life is stupidity. Some ******* texting on his cell phone while driving is far more likely to end your life than even a thug with a gun in a bad neighborhood.

We all need to keep that in perspective.

PS: I if were on a jury involving a gun shot I would listen very carefully to all of the evidence before giving my judgment. If I hear a story that starts with a driver and a cell phone as far as I'm concerned they are guilty as charged and should be shown no mercy. They are killing as many or more people than drunk drivers.

Mine was similar to #3. I was young. Girl got away while he threatened me. If I had tried to take the gun I'd probably be dead.

If these guys went vigilante Billy badarse and killed this guy, they deserve what they get.

(05-08-2020 04:29 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  Anyone can decry all they want about what he should or should not have done... but until you are a black man, in America, jogging through a neighborhood, and 2 white men stop you, guns blazing, out of nowhere, you have no idea how one would or should react.

To blame the victim here is gross.

Except the guns didn't blaze until he charged. They may certainly be guilty and we shall find out shortly. Until then pontificating serves no good purpose.

By the way when the killer of the woman pushing the baby carriage in Brunswick was arrested the same cry went out about racism. The court found that guy guilty in spite of the public outcry. Let's trust this one to seek the truth as well.

(05-08-2020 04:29 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  Anyone can decry all they want about what he should or should not have done... but until you are a black man, in America, jogging through a neighborhood, and 2 white men stop you, guns blazing, out of nowhere, you have no idea how one would or should react.

To blame the victim here is gross.

What's gross and obscene is seeing it through race. Reverse black and white in your example. You dont think that doesnt happen. As long as it's about race then we will never move past race.

And yes, you dont try to take a gun from an armed person pointing it at you ever. Period. I don't care what color you are. Dont. Seriously. I like you :)

(05-08-2020 04:36 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(05-08-2020 04:29 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  Anyone can decry all they want about what he should or should not have done... but until you are a black man, in America, jogging through a neighborhood, and 2 white men stop you, guns blazing, out of nowhere, you have no idea how one would or should react.

To blame the victim here is gross.

Except the guns didn't blaze until he charged. They may certainly be guilty and we shall find out shortly. Until then pontificating serves no good purpose.

By the way when the killer of the woman pushing the baby carriage in Brunswick was arrested the same cry went out about racism. The court found that guy guilty in spite of the public outcry. Let's trust this one to seek the truth as well.

So their guns weren't pulled out until after he charged at them? Cite that please.

(05-08-2020 04:40 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(05-08-2020 04:29 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  Anyone can decry all they want about what he should or should not have done... but until you are a black man, in America, jogging through a neighborhood, and 2 white men stop you, guns blazing, out of nowhere, you have no idea how one would or should react.

To blame the victim here is gross.

What's gross and obscene is seeing it through race. Reverse black and white in your example. You dont think that doesnt happen. As long as it's about race then we will never move past race.

And yes, you dont try to take a gun from an armed person pointing it at you ever. Period. I don't care what color you are. Dont. Seriously. I like you :)

2 white guys profiled a jogging black man as a threatening criminal, and deemed him worthy of stopping at gun point. Race is very at play here. Your head is in the sand or in denial.