(05-05-2020 06:24 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(05-04-2020 03:15 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  

(05-04-2020 02:13 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(05-04-2020 02:03 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  

(05-04-2020 01:42 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  why are medical decisions for public safety now being politicized? Oh yeah...many Americans care more about non-living things like money and businesses over living breathing people. Personally I’d rather be broke and alive than the richest dude at the cemetery. Oh well.

Exactly...like being able to get surgeries to stop you from dying of something besides COVID. Why are those things being politicized and shut down?

Any actual evidence of anyone being denied a surgery and then dying as a result?

An acquaintance of my wife...the lady's husband was scheduled to have an "elective" heart procedure...they were banned from happening. The man died from the heart related issue last week.

Does that count?

Anecdotal, but I'd say the issue is with his doctor and/or his hospital and not any government order...as if the facts are as you say...he likely did not need just an elective procedure.

Anecdotal is actual evidence. Many people have heart disease and don’t know it. You hear of healthy people dropping dead from heart attacks all the time. I had a high school friend who died at 36 from a heart attack while at the gym last year. Elective heart caths find and fix blockages before they’re a problem all the time.

(05-05-2020 06:55 AM)dfarr Wrote:  

(05-05-2020 06:24 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(05-04-2020 03:15 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  

(05-04-2020 02:13 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(05-04-2020 02:03 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  Exactly...like being able to get surgeries to stop you from dying of something besides COVID. Why are those things being politicized and shut down?

Any actual evidence of anyone being denied a surgery and then dying as a result?

An acquaintance of my wife...the lady's husband was scheduled to have an "elective" heart procedure...they were banned from happening. The man died from the heart related issue last week.

Does that count?

Anecdotal, but I'd say the issue is with his doctor and/or his hospital and not any government order...as if the facts are as you say...he likely did not need just an elective procedure.

Anecdotal is actual evidence. Many people have heart disease and don’t know it. You hear of healthy people dropping dead from heart attacks all the time. I had a high school friend who died at 36 from a heart attack while at the gym last year. Elective heart caths find and fix blockages before they’re a problem all the time.

XACLY!

'covid labeling' is nothing more than too many being duped in context....

it's nothing more than another version of controlling the herd.....

this was merely a trial run....

lol

RWT: please provide evidence of people dying due to non-available elective procedures

2 or 3 people just on this board alone provide examples

RWT: that's just anecdotal

(05-04-2020 08:05 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(05-04-2020 01:54 PM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  

(05-04-2020 01:42 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  why are medical decisions for public safety now being politicized? Oh yeah...many Americans care more about non-living things like money and businesses over living breathing people. Personally I’d rather be broke and alive than the richest dude at the cemetery. Oh well.

"Non-living things like businesses."

You DO know who WORKS for businesses, right? Living things. Living things that rely on those businesses to be able to feed themselves and their children.

What a colossal idiot you are.

The government does not have the capacity to take care of you. Period.

that does not make it somehow more important than the lives of living people. I'd sacrifice every business in America in a second if it meant stopping people from dying. moreover, why are politicians with zero medical knowledge making these decisions when we have highly educated medical professionals to make these choices.

America is such a backwards nation...

So you would shut down every business to stop people from dying? And you really can't see the fallacy in that? How are you going to feed people? Treat illness? Clothe them?
You can't eat goodwill and no one is going to prevent people from dying. Especially someone that thinks like you.

(05-05-2020 07:08 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(05-04-2020 08:05 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(05-04-2020 01:54 PM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  

(05-04-2020 01:42 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  why are medical decisions for public safety now being politicized? Oh yeah...many Americans care more about non-living things like money and businesses over living breathing people. Personally I’d rather be broke and alive than the richest dude at the cemetery. Oh well.

"Non-living things like businesses."

You DO know who WORKS for businesses, right? Living things. Living things that rely on those businesses to be able to feed themselves and their children.

What a colossal idiot you are.

The government does not have the capacity to take care of you. Period.

that does not make it somehow more important than the lives of living people. I'd sacrifice every business in America in a second if it meant stopping people from dying. moreover, why are politicians with zero medical knowledge making these decisions when we have highly educated medical professionals to make these choices.

America is such a backwards nation...

So you would shut down every business to stop people from dying? And you really can't see the fallacy in that? How are you going to feed people? Treat illness? Clothe them?
You can't eat goodwill and no one is going to prevent people from dying. Especially someone that thinks like you.

No, he wants the government to take care of him.

(05-05-2020 06:55 AM)dfarr Wrote:  

(05-05-2020 06:24 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(05-04-2020 03:15 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  

(05-04-2020 02:13 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(05-04-2020 02:03 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  Exactly...like being able to get surgeries to stop you from dying of something besides COVID. Why are those things being politicized and shut down?

Any actual evidence of anyone being denied a surgery and then dying as a result?

An acquaintance of my wife...the lady's husband was scheduled to have an "elective" heart procedure...they were banned from happening. The man died from the heart related issue last week.

Does that count?

Anecdotal, but I'd say the issue is with his doctor and/or his hospital and not any government order...as if the facts are as you say...he likely did not need just an elective procedure.

Anecdotal is actual evidence. Many people have heart disease and don’t know it. You hear of healthy people dropping dead from heart attacks all the time. I had a high school friend who died at 36 from a heart attack while at the gym last year. Elective heart caths find and fix blockages before they’re a problem all the time.

Of course...but you're a nurse, so I'm sure you're not going to even attempt to assert that the situation would have been better with no quarantines whatsoever.

Curious that leftists (not just here but all of them in my life) seem fully invested in the notion that the Wu Flu is as horrible as it can possibly be spun. Newsflash... this is why nobody wants to be around you in real life except other miserable people. It isn't because you are black, brown, old, young, gay, fat, ugly, weak or whatever. The rest of us simply avoid toxic people. I guess when you got nothing enjoyable going on, lock down is just same schit different day.

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(05-05-2020 07:28 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  Curious that leftists (not just here but all of them in my life) seem fully invested in the notion that the Wu Flu is as horrible as it can possibly be spun. Newsflash... this is why nobody wants to be around you in real life except other miserable people. It isn't because you are black, brown, old, young, gay, fat, ugly, weak or whatever. The rest of us simply avoid toxic people. I guess when you got nothing enjoyable going on, lock down is just same schit different day.

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along those lines, Clay Travis (polarizing I know) has been one of the few writers of any type who consistently pushes the positives instead of harping on the negatives. He's been in 30a this week, and these are the type emails he gets. For all the talk about 'saving one life' some on the left sure are quick to wish death on people.

(05-05-2020 07:28 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  Curious that leftists (not just here but all of them in my life) seem fully invested in the notion that the Wu Flu is as horrible as it can possibly be spun. Newsflash... this is why nobody wants to be around you in real life except other miserable people. It isn't because you are black, brown, old, young, gay, fat, ugly, weak or whatever. The rest of us simply avoid toxic people. I guess when you got nothing enjoyable going on, lock down is just same schit different day.

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Excellent point!! Just a miserable lot of people. Pissing, moaning, complaining about everything in America. Its racist, its sexist, its homophobic, its xenophobic. Nothing is fair, tax those more successful than they are to pay for them being a deadbeat. These people have more phobias than anything I've ever seen. Now, they're petrified of a virus that 0.004% of the country has gotten and 6% of those 0.004 have died. Do these people go into panic mode every year during flu season?

Hide under your beds, be miserable on social media, but let the rest of us get back to living.

(05-04-2020 08:05 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(05-04-2020 01:54 PM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  

(05-04-2020 01:42 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  why are medical decisions for public safety now being politicized? Oh yeah...many Americans care more about non-living things like money and businesses over living breathing people. Personally I’d rather be broke and alive than the richest dude at the cemetery. Oh well.

"Non-living things like businesses."

You DO know who WORKS for businesses, right? Living things. Living things that rely on those businesses to be able to feed themselves and their children.

What a colossal idiot you are.

The government does not have the capacity to take care of you. Period.

that does not make it somehow more important than the lives of living people. I'd sacrifice every business in America in a second if it meant stopping people from dying. moreover, why are politicians with zero medical knowledge making these decisions when we have highly educated medical professionals to make these choices.

America is such a backwards nation...

Politicians are electable, the medical professionals are not.

(05-04-2020 08:05 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  that does not make it somehow more important than the lives of living people. I'd sacrifice every business in America in a second if it meant stopping people from dying. moreover, why are politicians with zero medical knowledge making these decisions when we have highly educated medical professionals to make these choices.

America is such a backwards nation...

Do you realize that each year 5,000 people in this country die by choking on solid food? Would you be in favor of a government regulation requiring all food be pureed? I mean, it'll save 5,000 lives per year!

You in?

(05-05-2020 08:56 AM)ODUCoach Wrote:  

(05-04-2020 08:05 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  that does not make it somehow more important than the lives of living people. I'd sacrifice every business in America in a second if it meant stopping people from dying. moreover, why are politicians with zero medical knowledge making these decisions when we have highly educated medical professionals to make these choices.

America is such a backwards nation...

Do you realize that each year 5,000 people in this country die by choking on solid food? Would you be in favor of a government regulation requiring all food be pureed? I mean, it'll save 5,000 lives per year!

You in?

Ironically, folks like him don’t want to shut down abortion clinics and many more die in those than from Corona virus. Liberals are so hypocritical it’s not even funny

Wife talked to an ER doctor. Said things were getting busy over the past week. Said ER had been virtually empty over the last few weeks. People are going out and doing stupid things and getting hurt again. Back to normal.

(05-05-2020 07:38 AM)TigersOhMy Wrote:  

(05-05-2020 07:28 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  Curious that leftists (not just here but all of them in my life) seem fully invested in the notion that the Wu Flu is as horrible as it can possibly be spun. Newsflash... this is why nobody wants to be around you in real life except other miserable people. It isn't because you are black, brown, old, young, gay, fat, ugly, weak or whatever. The rest of us simply avoid toxic people. I guess when you got nothing enjoyable going on, lock down is just same schit different day.

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along those lines, Clay Travis (polarizing I know) has been one of the few writers of any type who consistently pushes the positives instead of harping on the negatives. He's been in 30a this week, and these are the type emails he gets. For all the talk about 'saving one life' some on the left sure are quick to wish death on people.

Does Steven post on this board under a Nom de Plume?

(05-04-2020 03:15 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  

(05-04-2020 02:13 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(05-04-2020 02:03 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  

(05-04-2020 01:42 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  why are medical decisions for public safety now being politicized? Oh yeah...many Americans care more about non-living things like money and businesses over living breathing people. Personally I’d rather be broke and alive than the richest dude at the cemetery. Oh well.

Exactly...like being able to get surgeries to stop you from dying of something besides COVID. Why are those things being politicized and shut down?

Any actual evidence of anyone being denied a surgery and then dying as a result?

An acquaintance of my wife...the lady's husband was scheduled to have an "elective" heart procedure...they were banned from happening. The man died from the heart related issue last week.

Does that count?

But His death certificate says he died of Covid 19. In all seriousness I am praying for his family. Stupidity kills.


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(05-05-2020 08:56 AM)ODUCoach Wrote:  

(05-04-2020 08:05 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  that does not make it somehow more important than the lives of living people. I'd sacrifice every business in America in a second if it meant stopping people from dying. moreover, why are politicians with zero medical knowledge making these decisions when we have highly educated medical professionals to make these choices.

America is such a backwards nation...

Do you realize that each year 5,000 people in this country die by choking on solid food? Would you be in favor of a government regulation requiring all food be pureed? I mean, it'll save 5,000 lives per year!

You in?

Well, I don’t believe choking is a communicable disease that can quickly spread amongst a population causing death so apples/oranges.

(05-05-2020 09:45 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(05-05-2020 08:56 AM)ODUCoach Wrote:  

(05-04-2020 08:05 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  that does not make it somehow more important than the lives of living people. I'd sacrifice every business in America in a second if it meant stopping people from dying. moreover, why are politicians with zero medical knowledge making these decisions when we have highly educated medical professionals to make these choices.

America is such a backwards nation...

Do you realize that each year 5,000 people in this country die by choking on solid food? Would you be in favor of a government regulation requiring all food be pureed? I mean, it'll save 5,000 lives per year!

You in?

Well, I don’t believe choking is a communicable disease that can quickly spread amongst a population causing death so apples/oranges.

You just want people to die. I’d sacrifice all flavor and texture of my food to save lives. I can’t believe you wouldn’t.

(05-05-2020 09:45 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(05-05-2020 08:56 AM)ODUCoach Wrote:  

(05-04-2020 08:05 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  that does not make it somehow more important than the lives of living people. I'd sacrifice every business in America in a second if it meant stopping people from dying. moreover, why are politicians with zero medical knowledge making these decisions when we have highly educated medical professionals to make these choices.

America is such a backwards nation...

Do you realize that each year 5,000 people in this country die by choking on solid food? Would you be in favor of a government regulation requiring all food be pureed? I mean, it'll save 5,000 lives per year!

You in?

Well, I don’t believe choking is a communicable disease that can quickly spread amongst a population causing death so apples/oranges.

Aids is, so you are in favor of shutting down the gay bars?

(05-04-2020 01:09 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  

(05-04-2020 12:27 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(05-03-2020 12:46 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(05-03-2020 12:34 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(05-03-2020 12:17 PM)bullet Wrote:  https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articl...43101.html

I had observed the quarantines less and less observed. This article talks about why.

"...Such voluntary obedience to the law requires  massive buy-in  from the people at large. A minority of, say, 15%-20% may be too small to cause disruption at the ballot box, but it can severely tax the enforcement instruments of the government -- if they are sufficiently motivated. It is analogous to the “heckler’s veto": one person can shout down a speaker if he is willing to endure the disapproval of the others in the crowd. 

This is why a continued quarantine may be more tenuous than the polls make it seem. A large majority of Americans approve, which is all well and good. But we should also ask just how intense the opposition of the minority is. If the minority is convinced that the government’s dictates are capricious, arbitrary, and ruinous, we should not expect them to sit idly by forever. 

Nor should we!..."

Democrats are no longer liberals, they are now marxists totalitarian prog filth.

lol your 'just for men' must be wearing off...don't worry, Supercuts will be open soon.

Didn't realize either that all the governors are democrats.

Take a look at the States that are still holding on to strict shelter in place type edicts, and tell me what side those governors fall on.

And what about red states like TN? Our GOP gov (super-majority senate and house, too, by the way) submits re-open plan and the dem-controlled municipalities like Mem, Nash and Know said NO and wanted to drag it out longer.

(05-05-2020 12:38 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(05-04-2020 01:09 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  

(05-04-2020 12:27 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(05-03-2020 12:46 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(05-03-2020 12:34 PM)shere khan Wrote:  Democrats are no longer liberals, they are now marxists totalitarian prog filth.

lol your 'just for men' must be wearing off...don't worry, Supercuts will be open soon.

Didn't realize either that all the governors are democrats.

Take a look at the States that are still holding on to strict shelter in place type edicts, and tell me what side those governors fall on.

And what about red states like TN? Our GOP gov (super-majority senate and house, too, by the way) submits re-open plan and the dem-controlled municipalities like Mem, Nash and Know said NO and wanted to drag it out longer.

The part that irritates the hell out of me is that it isn't even the elected Dems making the rules here. The unelected Health Department head is the one handing down the rules...yes, the dem county and city mayor nod along in agreement, but an unelected official is holding the 6 other municipal mayors' economies hostage.