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RE: If 2020 Has No NCAA Football Let's Declare All TV Contracts and GOR's Null & Void
In my scenario, the 65 power 5 presidents have a retreat where they consolidate into 4 conferencess of 18 each. No power 5 team gets left out. The conferences are generally geographical and the divisions within the conferences are also geographical. The conferences may decide to split up their divisions differently based on strength of sports. Some teams move that probably don't want to move and conferences take teams they probably don't want to admit. The pain is shared by all. Some mistakes from previous expansions are rectified and Joe Pa's Eastern football conference comes to fruition with a lot of ACC input. The 4 conferences break away and have a 4 team football playoff (de facto 8 team with conference championship games) and the basketball tourney involves all 72 teams each year. The goal is 4 competitive athletic conferences, not 2 awesome ones, a good one, and a fourth patchwork conference. The conferences are now one legal entity. The 72 team league sells tier 1 rights. The conferences sell tier 2 rights. The schools retain tier 3 rights.

PAC 18 North: Cal, Stanford, Washington, Washington St, BYU, Utah, Oregon, Oregon St, Colorado
PAC 18 South: UCLA, USC, Arizona, ASU, SDSU, Texas, Texas Tech, Baylor, TCU
Comments: I added the Texas schools en bloc for travel purposes. The PAC has to take BYU and SDSU because of their extreme western locations.

Big 10 West: Illinois, Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska, Wisconsin, Missouri, Kansas, Kansas St, Iowa St
Big 10 East: Notre Dame, Ohio St, Mich, Mich St, Indiana, Purdue, Northwestern, Vandy, Cincinnati
Comments: Vandy reluctantly moved. Maybe being the southernmost school in a northern conference helps their competitiveness. PSU, Rutgers, Maryland move to the new eastern conference. Missouri move is a geographic natural. UC is also a geographic fit and Big 10 needs a final team.

SEC West: Oklahoma, Oklahoma St, Houston, Memphis, LSU, Arkansas, A&M, Miss St, Ole Miss
SEC East: Kentucky, Louisville, Tennessee, Georgia, Florida, Alabama, Auburn, South Carolina, NC State
Comments: Entice NC State to leave the shadow of Duke & UNC. Louisville, Memphis geographical fits, shore up basketball,
& more academically palatable in the SEC.

Eastern Atlantic Conference North: UCONN, BC, Syracuse, Rutgers, Penn St, West Virginia, Pitt, Maryland, Temple
EAC South: Miami, Florida St, UVA, Georgia Tech, Clemson, Wake Forest, Duke, UNC, VA Tech
Comments: Temple over UCF for the final spot at the table, mainly so UVA and Va tech could both be in south division. FSU and Miami deciding votes as they don't want the in state competition.

Last 4 in: SDSU, Memphis, Temple, UCONN
First 4 out: UCF, USF, ECU, Boise
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RE: If 2020 Has No NCAA Football Let's Declare All TV Contracts and GOR's Null & Void
When the schools and conferences regroup, no one loses their seat at the table but some worth is viewed in adding a few schools from the AAC and BYU.

Membership - 72 Schools: Power 5 (64) + Notre Dame, BYU, Houston, Memphis, Cincinnati, Temple, Central Florida, South Florida

The networks divide the schools into general "North & West" and "South & East" conferences which act more like leagues. Each conference, B1G and SEC, have 4 divisions of 9 schools each. Each school plays their 8-game division schedule plus 2 non-division conference games. The remaining 2 games on the schedule can be filled by playing schools in the other conference or schools in their own conference but those games will not count towards their conference record. Both conferences will then play a 6-team playoff with the winner of each division (determined by conference record) plus 2 wild cards (next best 2 conference records from any division within the conference.) The 2 conference champions will meet for the national title game.

These conferences are only utilized for football.

B1G
Pacific: Washington, Washington St, Oregon, Oregon St, California, Stanford, USC, UCLA, Arizona
Central: Arizona St, Utah, Colorado, Nebraska, Kansas, Missouri, Iowa, Iowa St, Northwestern
North: Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois, Indiana, Purdue, Michigan, Michigan St, Ohio St, Penn St
Atlantic: Notre Dame, Pittsburgh, Rutgers, Syracuse, Boston College, Maryland, Virginia, North Carolina, Duke

SEC
West: BYU, Kansas St, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St, Texas, Texas Tech, TCU, Baylor, Houston
South: Texas A&M, Arkansas, LSU, Mississippi, Mississippi St, Alabama, Auburn, Georgia, Florida
East: Miami, Florida St, Georgia Tech, South Carolina, Clemson, Tennessee, North Carolina St, Kentucky, Virginia Tech
Metro: Memphis, Vanderbilt, Louisville, Cincinnati, West Virginia, Temple, Wake Forest, Central Florida, South Florida

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How the 2019 playoffs may have played out:

B1G
Pacific Champion: Oregon (2)
Central Champion: Utah (4)
North Champion: Ohio St (1)
Atlantic Champion: Notre Dame (3)
Wild Cards: Penn St (5) & Minnesota (6)

SEC
West Champion: Oklahoma (3)
South Champion: LSU (1)
East Champion: Clemson (2)
Metro Champion: Memphis (4)
Wild Cards: Georgia (5) & Alabama (6)

Wild Card Round
(5) Penn St over (4) Utah
(6) Minnesota over (3) Notre Dame
(5) Georgia over (4) Memphis
(6) Alabama over (3) Oklahoma

Divisional Round
(1) Ohio St over (6) Minnesota
(2) Oregon over (5) Penn St
(1) LSU over (6) Alabama
(2) Clemson over (5) Georgia

Conference Championships
(1) Ohio St over (2) Oregon
(1) LSU over (2) Clemson

National Championship Game
(1) LSU over (1) Ohio St
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Of course there is absolutely no way that there will ever be more than 16 teams in a conference.

Since there are currently 65 teams and in order to make 4 even conferences of 16 someone has to go. Well the real estate saying is location, location, location.......so the loser has the worst location (Washington State).

PAC

South:
Southern Cal, Arizona, Colorado, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas, Texas Tech, TCU

North:
UCLA, Cal, Stanford, Washington, Oregon State, Oregon, Arizona State, Utah


ACC

North:
Boston College, Syracuse, Rutgers, Penn State, Maryland, Virginia Tech, Miami, Notre Dame

South:
UVa, Carolina, Wake Forest, Duke, NCSU, Clemson, South Carolina, Georgia Tech


B1G

East:
Pitt, Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State, Indiana, Purdue, Illinois, Northwestern

West:
Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Nebraska, Missouri


SEC

West:
Baylor, Texas A&M, LSU, Arkansas, Mississippi State, Alabama, Tennessee, Louisville

East:
Florida State, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, Vanderbilt, Auburn, Ole Miss, West Virginia
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(04-07-2020 02:12 PM)XLance Wrote:  Of course there is absolutely no way that there will ever be more than 16 teams in a conference.

Since there are currently 65 teams and in order to make 4 even conferences of 16 someone has to go. Well the real estate saying is location, location, location.......so the loser has the worst location (Washington State).

PAC

South:
Southern Cal, Arizona, Colorado, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas, Texas Tech, TCU

North:
UCLA, Cal, Stanford, Washington, Oregon State, Oregon, Arizona State, Utah


ACC

North:
Boston College, Syracuse, Rutgers, Penn State, Maryland, Virginia Tech, Miami, Notre Dame

South:
UVa, Carolina, Wake Forest, Duke, NCSU, Clemson, South Carolina, Georgia Tech


B1G

East:
Pitt, Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State, Indiana, Purdue, Illinois, Northwestern

West:
Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Nebraska, Missouri


SEC

West:
Baylor, Texas A&M, LSU, Arkansas, Mississippi State, Alabama, Tennessee, Louisville

East:
Florida State, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, Vanderbilt, Auburn, Ole Miss, West Virginia

I take it you wanted Penn State in the ACC but then you moved Pitt to the Big Ten? You also kept Miami in the ACC and moved Florida State to the SEC, was that because you wanted Miami more or you wanted Florida State and Florida together? I'm assuming you wanted Notre Dame in the ACC.

As for Baylor in the SEC, I assume they got stuck with them as all of the other Texas/Oklahoma schools went to the Pac. I don't like the divisions. I would have done the Alabama and Mississippi teams in the West and the Tennessee and Kentucky teams in the East.
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My official entry for this contest is my first one but I think this one would be more similar to BatonRougeEscapee and BePcr07. I just took my eight divisions and rearranged them.

ACC North: Penn State, Pittsburgh, Temple, Syracuse, Rutgers, Connecticut, Boston College, Maryland, West Virginia
ACC South: Virginia, Virginia Tech, North Carolina, Duke, NC State, Wake Forest, Kentucky, Louisville, Cincinnati

Big Ten East: Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State, Indiana, Purdue, Notre Dame, Illinois, Wisconsin, Northwestern
Big Ten West: Utah, BYU, Colorado, Nebraska, Kansas, Missouri, Iowa, Iowa State, Minnesota

SEC East: Florida, Florida State, Miami, Central Florida, South Florida, Georgia, Georgia Tech, South Carolina, Clemson
SEC West: Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Memphis, Alabama, Auburn, Mississippi, Mississippi State, LSU, Arkansas

SWC: Texas, Texas A&M, TCU, Texas Tech, SMU, Houston, Baylor, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State
Pacific: UCLA, USC, Stanford, California, Washington, Oregon, Arizona, Arizona State, Boise State

Here the SWC/Pacific gets all of Texas/California, the SEC gets Florida instead of Texas, the ACC loses Florida but gains the Northeast, the Big Ten loses the Northeast and instead gets the Midwest west of the Mississippi all the way to Utah. In terms of population, the SWC/Pacific is the big winner, in football the SEC gains Clemson, Florida, and Florida State when in my first proposal they didn't (but they did have Oklahoma). The Big Ten West is the loser division making the Big Ten the big losers here. They' have one of the smallest population bases and they don't have Alabama/LSU.

If we had the eight divisions, we would assume the Big Ten would have the Ohio State/Michigan division, the SEC would have the Alabama/LSU division, the ACC would have the North Carolina/Duke division, and the Pacific would have the California schools. Then the question would be who gets the other four divisions. The SWC would be tempting for the SEC but the Florida/Georgia/Clemson division features UF/UGa/SC. The ACC would want that same division but the Northeast including Penn State would be tempting too. The Big Ten would also want the Northeast. The Pacific would want the SWC. No one would want the Nebraska division, nobody lives there and they don't have any football powerhouses like Alabama. If the Big Ten gets what they want, it would be my original proposal. If the Pacific gets what they want, it would be the one in this post and the Big Ten gets stuck with the western crap. The SEC would prefer to have the Florida division but won't be too unhappy with the Texas division. It's basically who gets stuck with the "spread out" division and has to deal with all the travel.

I'm also not going to just say the P5's automatically get in though if I don't feel they deserve to be in.

If you're keeping score:

Proposal 1: Big Ten: 11 of 14 stay, ACC: 11 of 15 stay, SEC: 9 of 14 stay, Pac: 10 of 12 stay, Total: 41 of 55 stay (Obviously all of the Big 12 are "leaving")
Proposal 2: Big Ten: 11 of 14 stay, ACC: 10 of 15 stay, SEC: 11 of 14 stay, Pac: 9 of 12 stay, Total: 41 of 55 stay

So the same number of teams move conferences in each scenario.

In Proposal 1, the Pac gets to keep Colorado vs. losing Colorado to the Big Ten in Proposal 2 (Washington State and Oregon State are completely out in both proposals).

The Big Ten's losing three teams no matter what, they're either losing Penn State, Maryland, and Rutgers or Minnesota, Iowa, and Nebraska.

The ACC is losing Notre Dame no matter what. They would either lose Pittsburgh, Syracuse, and Boston College or Clemson, Florida State, Miami, and Georgia Tech.

Finally the SEC for sure will lose Kentucky and Missouri. In Proposal 2 they only lose Texas A&M but in Proposal 1 they keep Texas A&M but lose Florida, Georgia, and South Carolina. Of course this is only listing what conferences are losing without accounting for who they are gaining.
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I am not competing with the posts in this thread and what I'm about to propose won't be among the 5 to receive votes but, I don't think we will achieve balance economically whether the model is 3 conferences of 20-24, or 4 conferences of 16. So competitive balance with access seems to me to be the best we can hope t achieve and even that won't be perfect because of current conference requirements.

But in a 4 x 16 model I think it's tougher to achieve. Here's about the best speculation I can offer on competitive balance in a 4 conference model.

The ACC needs a large engaged market to make their network profitable. Texas will want to keep much of their business model intact. They could head to the PAC and take buddies, but how many? And whether the PAC winds up in the ESPN camp remains to be seen.

In 20210 a deal was floated that might have sent Virginia Tech and N.C. State (two duplicate market footprint schools which aren't the AAU flagships of their respective states) to the SEC.

If your goal is competitive balance and the SEC is currently the strongest then adding 20 million potential subscribers for the SECN is still viable. Virginia Tech and N.C. State add to the SEC's middle and not their top or their bottom. It's as close to a neutral expansion move as you can get.

So let's say that happens. The SEC is done.

The ACC (which is private heavy) accepts T.C.U. and Baylor along with Texas Tech and Texas. Texas now has an all Texas Quad (1/2 division) that guarantees 8 games in Texas on even years and 9 games in odd years counting the RRR remaining in DFW and being played as an OOC game.

The Big 10 in spite of being one of the top 2 economically still needs some football punch. Notre Dame provides that and gives them complete leverage for college football in Northern cities. Their price for landing almost a 1 billion dollar value in N.D. is that they agree to take Iowa State. The Big 10 is done.

The PAC needs markets and punch in both football and hoops. They take Oklahoma and Kansas and Oklahoma State and Kansas State travel with them. Their move is for content value multipliers.

That takes care of everyone but W.V.U.. Wake Forest takes the partial membership in the ACC getting a guarantee of 6 games a year with ACC foes and they remain full members for everything else. West Virginia moves into the ACC as a full member. This maximizes the ACC's value in the move as WVU adds competitive football up North in their conference and brings a more than respectable hoops program and solid baseball.

ACC:
Boston College, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, West Virginia
Duke, Louisville, North Carolina, Virginia
Clemson, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Miami
Baylor, Texas, T.C.U., Texas Tech
*Wake Forest as a partial for football

That should yield in many years a football contenders list of West Virginia, Louisville, Clemson/FSU, and Texas. Those are all marketable products to a larger regional audience or a national one.

SEC:
Arkansas, Louisiana State, Missouri, Texas A&M
Alabama, Auburn, Mississippi, Mississippi State
Kentucky, N.C. State, Tennessee, Virginia Tech
Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, Vanderbilt

This grouping allows LSU/A&M, AL/AU, Tenn/VaTech, Fla/GA to emerge most years. All are ratings winners.

B1G:
Maryland, Notre Dame, Penn State, Rutgers
Indiana, Michigan, Michigan State, Purdue
Illinois, Northwestern, Ohio State, Wisconsin
Iowa, Iowa State, Minnesota, Nebraska

This arrangement also works for ratings as most years you might expect ND/PSU, Mi/MSU, OSU/Wis, and Iowa/Neb to emerge.

PAC:
Oregon, Oregon State, Washington, Washington State
Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State
California, Colorado, Stanford, Utah
Arizona, Arizona State, California Los Angeles, Southern Cal

This set up guarantees all PAC schools more games in California and allows Ore/UW, OU/OSU, Stan/UT, USC to emerge most years. That ties in all regions of their conference.

10 Conference games allows plenty of room for cross scheduling and 2 OOC games provides room for old rivals. Each conference moves to a Conference Semi-final and that expands the post season as all 4 champs play it off nationally. This keeps more fan bases engaged late into the season.

Now while that would work from a competitive balance perspective and would consider some monetary balancing (though not nearly enough) it could work. Everyone gets something and everyone settles on initial expectations a bit as well.

Now if the stress is on regional fit and academic considerations as well as network considerations we might wind up with something like this:

Union-Pacific:
Indiana, Maryland, Notre Dame, Penn State, Purdue, Rutgers
Illinois, Iowa, Michigan, Michigan State, Northwestern, Ohio State
Colorado, Kansas, Minnesota, Nebraska, Utah, Wisconsin
California, California Los Angeles, Oregon, Southern Cal, Stanford, Washington

New South:
Duke, Kentucky, North Carolina, N.C. State, Virginia, Virginia Tech
Clemson, Florida, Florida State, Georgia, Georgia Tech, South Carolina
Alabama, Auburn, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Tennessee, Vanderbilt
Arkansas, Louisiana State, Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M

All American:
Boston College, Louisville, Miami, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, West Virginia
Baylor, Iowa State, Kansas State, Oklahoma State, T.C.U., Texas Tech
Arizona, Arizona State, Brigham Young, Oregon State, San Diego State, Washington State
Central Florida, Cincinnati, Houston, Memphis, South Florida, Wake Forest

This last conference is important for these reasons:

1. It includes all remaining P5 schools preventing lawsuits since the income level would be geared to what the current Big 12 schools make. So nobody loses money by being in this conference and the ACC, PAC, and AAC schools make money to agree to be a part of it.

2. The champion is an automatic qualifier for the CFP which will consist of the 3 champs and 1 at large per year keeping more fan bases engaged deep into the season.

3. Each conference will have conference semis consisting of the 4 divisional champions so in any solid year a divisional champ gets a shot at playing their way in.

4. By taking 7 of the most profitable or well attended G5 schools you also reduce potential lawsuits here as well.


This isn't balanced economically, but it rewards to the two most secure conferences by associations and financially, but it is much more fair in terms of access and on field play. I think this is as good as it will get for fair access.
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(04-07-2020 03:57 PM)schmolik Wrote:  
(04-07-2020 02:12 PM)XLance Wrote:  Of course there is absolutely no way that there will ever be more than 16 teams in a conference.

Since there are currently 65 teams and in order to make 4 even conferences of 16 someone has to go. Well the real estate saying is location, location, location.......so the loser has the worst location (Washington State).

PAC

South:
Southern Cal, Arizona, Colorado, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas, Texas Tech, TCU

North:
UCLA, Cal, Stanford, Washington, Oregon State, Oregon, Arizona State, Utah


ACC

North:
Boston College, Syracuse, Rutgers, Penn State, Maryland, Virginia Tech, Miami, Notre Dame

South:
UVa, Carolina, Wake Forest, Duke, NCSU, Clemson, South Carolina, Georgia Tech


B1G

East:
Pitt, Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State, Indiana, Purdue, Illinois, Northwestern

West:
Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Nebraska, Missouri


SEC

West:
Baylor, Texas A&M, LSU, Arkansas, Mississippi State, Alabama, Tennessee, Louisville

East:
Florida State, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, Vanderbilt, Auburn, Ole Miss, West Virginia

I take it you wanted Penn State in the ACC but then you moved Pitt to the Big Ten?

Pittsburgh has, since colonial times, been the gateway to the mid-west and the location of the school is more culturally based in the mid-west than in the east.
Penn State is in the absolute center of the state, but the culture has always leaned more to the east, because that's where the money was in Pennsylvania. This would be the reason for Penn State's inclusion in an eastern/mid-Atlantic culture.


You also kept Miami in the ACC and moved Florida State to the SEC, was that because you wanted Miami more or you wanted Florida State and Florida together?

The culture of the U is more "eastern" than it is southern. A good number of students and alumni are Northeasterners. I would have liked to move Miami to the SEC but it just didn't pass the smell test. An academically superior private school with mostly northern students needed to be with peers.
As to Florida State. They wear jorts. The school is between Florida and Auburn and the culture of that area of Florida is tailor made for the made for the SEC.


I'm for assuming you wanted Notre Dame in the ACC.

Notre Dame wants to be in the ACC.

As for Baylor in the SEC, I assume they got stuck with them as all of the other Texas/Oklahoma schools went to the Pac. I don't like the divisions. I would have done the Alabama and Mississippi teams in the West and the Tennessee and Kentucky teams in the East.

Baylor is the largest Baptist College in the USA. If a bunch of Baptists are going to "fit" anywhere it would be in the South, and you can't get more southern than the SEC.
Ask a SEC expert regarding the divisional split, I would be curious to know if I got it wrong.
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(04-07-2020 05:09 PM)JRsec Wrote:  ACC:
Boston College, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, West Virginia
Duke, Louisville, North Carolina, Virginia
Clemson, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Miami
Baylor, Texas, T.C.U., Texas Tech
*Wake Forest as a partial for football

That should yield in many years a football contenders list of West Virginia, Louisville, Clemson/FSU, and Texas. Those are all marketable products to a larger regional audience or a national one.

SEC:
Arkansas, Louisiana State, Missouri, Texas A&M
Alabama, Auburn, Mississippi, Mississippi State
Kentucky, N.C. State, Tennessee, Virginia Tech
Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, Vanderbilt

This grouping allows LSU/A&M, AL/AU, Tenn/VaTech, Fla/GA to emerge most years. All are ratings winners.

B1G:
Maryland, Notre Dame, Penn State, Rutgers
Indiana, Michigan, Michigan State, Purdue
Illinois, Northwestern, Ohio State, Wisconsin
Iowa, Iowa State, Minnesota, Nebraska

This arrangement also works for ratings as most years you might expect ND/PSU, Mi/MSU, OSU/Wis, and Iowa/Neb to emerge.

PAC:
Oregon, Oregon State, Washington, Washington State
Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State
California, Colorado, Stanford, Utah
Arizona, Arizona State, California Los Angeles, Southern Cal

This set up guarantees all PAC schools more games in California and allows Ore/UW, OU/OSU, Stan/UT, USC to emerge most years. That ties in all regions of their conference.

When I've done pods for these conferences I've had different teams involved so let me try yours.

ACC. PAC: Perfect

B1G: The four western teams should be together (Minnesota is on the river but I'll count them as west for this purpose). You have three Indiana schools and three Eastern schools. It's probably not required for Notre Dame to be with Indiana and Purdue and the Eastern schools don't have to be together.

I've always done Penn State, Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State as a quad guaranteeing the four always playing each other every year which would be great for TV. My setup though was rotating quads and a single conference championship. In a conference semifinal setup assuming only one team from each quad gets in this is terrible. On the other hand, if you separate the teams you have to make sure at least Ohio State and Michigan play each other every year and preferably the others do as well.

Ohio State, Penn State, Maryland, Rutgers (East)
Michigan, Michigan State, Wisconsin, Northwestern (North)
Indiana, Purdue, Notre Dame, Illinois (Central)

SEC:

If you were going strictly on geography, Vanderbilt doesn't belong with Florida, Georgia, and South Carolina. Tennessee or NC State would be geographically closer to them. If you give them NC State, you split the former ACC schools. If you give them Tennessee, Tennessee and Kentucky are split (Tennessee and Vanderbilt are split anyway). I've always paired Auburn/Alabama with Georgia/Florida in the "blockbuster" division but again with conference semifinals that would be the Group of Death. Then again barring some weird geographical mashup, Alabama/Auburn's choices are the Group of Death or getting stuck with the Mississippi schools.

Group of Death setup:
Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Georgia
Mississippi, Mississippi State, Tennessee, Vanderbilt
Kentucky, NC State, South Carolina, Virginia Tech
West Division unchanged

I'll tell you this, if I'm ESPN I'd much rather Alabama/Auburn play Georgia and Florida every year than Mississippi and Mississippi State every year. Obviously UGa and UF are tougher games but they're more attractive opponents/games for the fans.
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(04-08-2020 06:07 AM)schmolik Wrote:  If you were going strictly on geography, Vanderbilt doesn't belong with Florida, Georgia, and South Carolina. Tennessee or NC State would be geographically closer to them.

NC State is closer to Vanderbilt than Georgia and South Carolina are?
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(04-08-2020 06:27 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(04-08-2020 06:07 AM)schmolik Wrote:  If you were going strictly on geography, Vanderbilt doesn't belong with Florida, Georgia, and South Carolina. Tennessee or NC State would be geographically closer to them.

NC State is closer to Vanderbilt than Georgia and South Carolina are?

Other way around, NC State is closer to South Carolina, Georgia, and Florida than Vanderbilt. Nashville's all the way in the Central Time Zone.
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(04-08-2020 07:55 PM)schmolik Wrote:  
(04-08-2020 06:27 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(04-08-2020 06:07 AM)schmolik Wrote:  If you were going strictly on geography, Vanderbilt doesn't belong with Florida, Georgia, and South Carolina. Tennessee or NC State would be geographically closer to them.

NC State is closer to Vanderbilt than Georgia and South Carolina are?

Other way around, NC State is closer to South Carolina, Georgia, and Florida than Vanderbilt. Nashville's all the way in the Central Time Zone.

Gotcha.
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(04-08-2020 06:07 AM)schmolik Wrote:  
(04-07-2020 05:09 PM)JRsec Wrote:  ACC:
Boston College, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, West Virginia
Duke, Louisville, North Carolina, Virginia
Clemson, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Miami
Baylor, Texas, T.C.U., Texas Tech
*Wake Forest as a partial for football

That should yield in many years a football contenders list of West Virginia, Louisville, Clemson/FSU, and Texas. Those are all marketable products to a larger regional audience or a national one.

SEC:
Arkansas, Louisiana State, Missouri, Texas A&M
Alabama, Auburn, Mississippi, Mississippi State
Kentucky, N.C. State, Tennessee, Virginia Tech
Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, Vanderbilt

This grouping allows LSU/A&M, AL/AU, Tenn/VaTech, Fla/GA to emerge most years. All are ratings winners.

B1G:
Maryland, Notre Dame, Penn State, Rutgers
Indiana, Michigan, Michigan State, Purdue
Illinois, Northwestern, Ohio State, Wisconsin
Iowa, Iowa State, Minnesota, Nebraska

This arrangement also works for ratings as most years you might expect ND/PSU, Mi/MSU, OSU/Wis, and Iowa/Neb to emerge.

PAC:
Oregon, Oregon State, Washington, Washington State
Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State
California, Colorado, Stanford, Utah
Arizona, Arizona State, California Los Angeles, Southern Cal

This set up guarantees all PAC schools more games in California and allows Ore/UW, OU/OSU, Stan/UT, USC to emerge most years. That ties in all regions of their conference.

When I've done pods for these conferences I've had different teams involved so let me try yours.

ACC. PAC: Perfect

B1G: The four western teams should be together (Minnesota is on the river but I'll count them as west for this purpose). You have three Indiana schools and three Eastern schools. It's probably not required for Notre Dame to be with Indiana and Purdue and the Eastern schools don't have to be together.

I've always done Penn State, Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State as a quad guaranteeing the four always playing each other every year which would be great for TV. My setup though was rotating quads and a single conference championship. In a conference semifinal setup assuming only one team from each quad gets in this is terrible. On the other hand, if you separate the teams you have to make sure at least Ohio State and Michigan play each other every year and preferably the others do as well.

Ohio State, Penn State, Maryland, Rutgers (East)
Michigan, Michigan State, Wisconsin, Northwestern (North)
Indiana, Purdue, Notre Dame, Illinois (Central)

SEC:

If you were going strictly on geography, Vanderbilt doesn't belong with Florida, Georgia, and South Carolina. Tennessee or NC State would be geographically closer to them. If you give them NC State, you split the former ACC schools. If you give them Tennessee, Tennessee and Kentucky are split (Tennessee and Vanderbilt are split anyway). I've always paired Auburn/Alabama with Georgia/Florida in the "blockbuster" division but again with conference semifinals that would be the Group of Death. Then again barring some weird geographical mashup, Alabama/Auburn's choices are the Group of Death or getting stuck with the Mississippi schools.

Group of Death setup:
Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Georgia
Mississippi, Mississippi State, Tennessee, Vanderbilt
Kentucky, NC State, South Carolina, Virginia Tech
West Division unchanged

I'll tell you this, if I'm ESPN I'd much rather Alabama/Auburn play Georgia and Florida every year than Mississippi and Mississippi State every year. Obviously UGa and UF are tougher games but they're more attractive opponents/games for the fans.

My reasoning is that N.C. State and Va Tech would do well together and with Kentucky and Tennessee the grouping is fairly tight. Vanderbilt has traditionally played the teams they are with and that division is tough enough they needed Vanderbilt for balance.
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Although I previously submitted a proposal, I realize that it has almost no chance of ever happening. So I would like to submit this as my official entry (assuming we each only get one). This I think could happen.

Both the B1G and the SEC go to 18 with two divisions of nine teams each, and require that their members play 10 games against P5 competition. Each of these conferences stage a four team playoff, with the #1 team in each division playing the #2 team from the other in the semifinals. The SEC final is played at the Sugar Bowl on New Year's Day, and the B1G's at the Rose Bowl.

The PAC champion hosts the Fiesta Bowl, the Big XII the Cotton Bowl and the ACC the Orange Bowl. B1G and SEC semifinal losers get autobids to the NY6. The highest ranked conference champion or independent not otherwise in the field gets the final NY6 spot.

P5 conference makeup is as follows. Teams new to each conference are in bold type.

SEC:

East: Clemson, Georgia, Auburn, Florida State, Florida, South Carolina, Tennessee, Kentucky and Vanderbilt.

West: Alabama, LSU, Oklahoma, Texas A&M, Misssissippi State, Missouri, Texas, Ole Miss and Arkansas.

B1G:

East: Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State, Penn State, Indiana, Maryland, Purdue, Illinois, and Rutgers.

West: Oregon, Wisconsin, Stanford, Washington, Southern Cal, Iowa, Nebraska, Northwestern, and Minnesota.


PAC: Utah, Arizona State, UCLA, Arizona, Washington State, California, San Diego State, Oregon State, Colorado and Hawaii (FB only).

Big XII:

East: Central Florida, Memphis, West Virginia, Cincinnati, Houston and TCU.

West: Oklahoma State, Kansas State, Baylor, Kansas, Texas Tech and Iowa State.

ACC:

Atlantic: Georgia Tech, North Carolina, NC State, Duke, Virginia and Wake Forest.

Coastal: Virginia Tech, Miami, Louisville, Pitt, Boston College and Syracuse.

Independent: Notre Dame and BYU.

That's 72 teams in all, of which eight P5 schools and six G5 schools have changed their conference affiliation.

If I were the B1G, I would allow the four Pacific Coast schools to join for football only. An option for their Olympic sports could be the MWC, which would only have 10 members after losing SDSU. With a hoops schedule that gives each team 3 permanent home and home opponents and a full single round robin against the other 10 they would have a league schedule of 16 games, allowing the four new schools plenty of room to schedule former PAC rivals (and Gonzaga) OOC. Or, there is an outside chance the PAC would let them keep their Olympic sports there despite losing them for football.

The SEC and B1G can flex their political muscles and insist their champions be able to meet in a new bowl at Jerry World a week after New Years. Without a CFP, Notre Dame and the other conference champions have a theoretical path to a mythical national championship, as they did from 1936 to the start of the CFP. And every FBS school has a theoretical path to an NY6 berth.

The remaining 58 schools are free to reorganize as necessary to adjust for the loss of six schools to the autonomous power conferences.
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(04-09-2020 11:35 AM)ken d Wrote:  Although I previously submitted a proposal, I realize that it has almost no chance of ever happening. So I would like to submit this as my official entry (assuming we each only get one). This I think could happen.

Both the B1G and the SEC go to 18 with two divisions of nine teams each, and require that their members play 10 games against P5 competition. Each of these conferences stage a four team playoff, with the #1 team in each division playing the #2 team from the other in the semifinals. The SEC final is played at the Sugar Bowl on New Year's Day, and the B1G's at the Rose Bowl.

The PAC champion hosts the Fiesta Bowl, the Big XII the Cotton Bowl and the ACC the Orange Bowl. B1G and SEC semifinal losers get autobids to the NY6. The highest ranked conference champion or independent not otherwise in the field gets the final NY6 spot.

P5 conference makeup is as follows. Teams new to each conference are in bold type.

SEC:

East: Clemson, Georgia, Auburn, Florida State, Florida, South Carolina, Tennessee, Kentucky and Vanderbilt.

West: Alabama, LSU, Oklahoma, Texas A&M, Misssissippi State, Missouri, Texas, Ole Miss and Arkansas.

B1G:

East: Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State, Penn State, Indiana, Maryland, Purdue, Illinois, and Rutgers.

West: Oregon, Wisconsin, Stanford, Washington, Southern Cal, Iowa, Nebraska, Northwestern, and Minnesota.


PAC: Utah, Arizona State, UCLA, Arizona, Washington State, California, San Diego State, Oregon State, Colorado and Hawaii (FB only).

Big XII:

East: Central Florida, Memphis, West Virginia, Cincinnati, Houston and TCU.

West: Oklahoma State, Kansas State, Baylor, Kansas, Texas Tech and Iowa State.

ACC:

Atlantic: Georgia Tech, North Carolina, NC State, Duke, Virginia and Wake Forest.

Coastal: Virginia Tech, Miami, Louisville, Pitt, Boston College and Syracuse.

Independent: Notre Dame and BYU.

That's 72 teams in all, of which eight P5 schools and six G5 schools have changed their conference affiliation.

If I were the B1G, I would allow the four Pacific Coast schools to join for football only. An option for their Olympic sports could be the MWC, which would only have 10 members after losing SDSU. With a hoops schedule that gives each team 3 permanent home and home opponents and a full single round robin against the other 10 they would have a league schedule of 16 games, allowing the four new schools plenty of room to schedule former PAC rivals (and Gonzaga) OOC. Or, there is an outside chance the PAC would let them keep their Olympic sports there despite losing them for football.

The SEC and B1G can flex their political muscles and insist their champions be able to meet in a new bowl at Jerry World a week after New Years. Without a CFP, Notre Dame and the other conference champions have a theoretical path to a mythical national championship, as they did from 1936 to the start of the CFP. And every FBS school has a theoretical path to an NY6 berth.

The remaining 58 schools are free to reorganize as necessary to adjust for the loss of six schools to the autonomous power conferences.

That's an interesting format. How much of a temptation would a Big 10 with both Stanford and U.S.C. in it be to Notre Dame?
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(04-09-2020 11:59 AM)JRsec Wrote:  
(04-09-2020 11:35 AM)ken d Wrote:  Although I previously submitted a proposal, I realize that it has almost no chance of ever happening. So I would like to submit this as my official entry (assuming we each only get one). This I think could happen.

Both the B1G and the SEC go to 18 with two divisions of nine teams each, and require that their members play 10 games against P5 competition. Each of these conferences stage a four team playoff, with the #1 team in each division playing the #2 team from the other in the semifinals. The SEC final is played at the Sugar Bowl on New Year's Day, and the B1G's at the Rose Bowl.

The PAC champion hosts the Fiesta Bowl, the Big XII the Cotton Bowl and the ACC the Orange Bowl. B1G and SEC semifinal losers get autobids to the NY6. The highest ranked conference champion or independent not otherwise in the field gets the final NY6 spot.

P5 conference makeup is as follows. Teams new to each conference are in bold type.

SEC:

East: Clemson, Georgia, Auburn, Florida State, Florida, South Carolina, Tennessee, Kentucky and Vanderbilt.

West: Alabama, LSU, Oklahoma, Texas A&M, Misssissippi State, Missouri, Texas, Ole Miss and Arkansas.

B1G:

East: Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State, Penn State, Indiana, Maryland, Purdue, Illinois, and Rutgers.

West: Oregon, Wisconsin, Stanford, Washington, Southern Cal, Iowa, Nebraska, Northwestern, and Minnesota.


PAC: Utah, Arizona State, UCLA, Arizona, Washington State, California, San Diego State, Oregon State, Colorado and Hawaii (FB only).

Big XII:

East: Central Florida, Memphis, West Virginia, Cincinnati, Houston and TCU.

West: Oklahoma State, Kansas State, Baylor, Kansas, Texas Tech and Iowa State.

ACC:

Atlantic: Georgia Tech, North Carolina, NC State, Duke, Virginia and Wake Forest.

Coastal: Virginia Tech, Miami, Louisville, Pitt, Boston College and Syracuse.

Independent: Notre Dame and BYU.

That's 72 teams in all, of which eight P5 schools and six G5 schools have changed their conference affiliation.

If I were the B1G, I would allow the four Pacific Coast schools to join for football only. An option for their Olympic sports could be the MWC, which would only have 10 members after losing SDSU. With a hoops schedule that gives each team 3 permanent home and home opponents and a full single round robin against the other 10 they would have a league schedule of 16 games, allowing the four new schools plenty of room to schedule former PAC rivals (and Gonzaga) OOC. Or, there is an outside chance the PAC would let them keep their Olympic sports there despite losing them for football.

The SEC and B1G can flex their political muscles and insist their champions be able to meet in a new bowl at Jerry World a week after New Years. Without a CFP, Notre Dame and the other conference champions have a theoretical path to a mythical national championship, as they did from 1936 to the start of the CFP. And every FBS school has a theoretical path to an NY6 berth.

The remaining 58 schools are free to reorganize as necessary to adjust for the loss of six schools to the autonomous power conferences.

That's an interesting format. How much of a temptation would a Big 10 with both Stanford and U.S.C. in it be to Notre Dame?

Notre Dame has always been a sticking point in trying to realign the power conferences. I finally decided to take them at their word that they would remain independent unless there were no other way they could compete for a national championship. So I gave them one. Granted, they (and anybody else not in the SEC or B1G) would have an uphill battle convincing AP voters and Coaches' Poll voters that they are better than whoever emerges from what amounts to an 8 team playoff in those two conferences.

But, if they were to go undefeated against a schedule as challenging as those eight teams would have played, and the team that wins that playoff weren't one of the top four seeds, there could be some voters who would love to vote for them. Let's say for argument sake that, in addition to USC and Stanford, and a four game ACC schedule (due to fewer teams now in the ACC), that the Irish could schedule one team from each of these pairs: Texas or Oklahoma, Michigan or Michigan State, Alabama or LSU and Georgia or Florida.

A schedule like that could meet Notre Dame's needs. It puts them every year in the most fertile recruiting areas from the whole country. And it would in most years give them as many as six opponents that could be ranked in the top 15 nationally. They could even keep Navy on their schedule and a buy game without doing much damage to their SOS.

But why should the SEC and B1G cooperate to help the Irish build that kind of schedule? Well, for one thing, half of those games would be home games for those conferences every year, which helps their attractiveness to the media (not that they need a lot of help in that area).

Another part of my plan was to have the B1G and SEC require that each of their members play 10 P5 games a year. Note that I didn't say or mean 10 conference games. With 9 teams in each division, the CCG participants would be determined by their record in their 8 division games only, meaning everyone is measured against a full round robin.

I meant this to allow the west coast schools the ability to play OOC games against the PAC mates they left behind. So USC could play Notre Dame and UCLA OOC, and Stanford could play Notre Dame and Cal, while still being able to get seven home games. Washington and Oregon could play their instate rival, plus rotating games against Cal and UCLA. Without a concession like this on the part of the B1G, it may not be possible to convince these schools to break away.

Anyway, that was my thought process.
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You mean like a Big 21

West:

USC, Cal, Oregon, Washington, Stanford, Arizona, Colorado

Central:

ND, Purdue, Iowa, Wisky, NW, Minn, Nebraska

East:

Pitt, Indiana, OSU, Michigan, MSU, Rutgers, Illinois

Playing a 6, permanent 2, a rotation of 3 and then the other 10 once a year for 10 conference games?

ND would have

Purdue, Iowa, Wisky, NW, Minn, Nebraska, USC, and Pitt

One of Stanford/Arizona/Indiana

Rotate the rest.

That would put ND on the West Coast 5 of 6 years, but playing USC, Pitt, and Purdue every year. It would also likely put them in Chicago and Indianapolis every third year. I don't really see it.
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Big 21, hmmm? OK, but we keep all Big Ten members, Notre Dame, all four California schools. That leaves us two. I'll do Oregon for it's football and for Nike and Colorado for Denver. Sorry Washington. Any of the three non California schools could be left out.

Western Crap: UCLA, USC, California, Stanford, Oregon, Colorado, Nebraska
East: Penn State, Maryland, Rutgers, Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State, Notre Dame
Central: Indiana, Purdue, Illinois, Northwestern, Wisconsin, Iowa, Minnesota

If Notre Dame really wants to guarantee to play in California every year, they certainly can move to the Western Crap division (Indiana returns to the East, Nebraska to the Central, formerly Big Ten West).

You know how much I'm against Big Ten-Pathetic 12 mergers but I'll play along, especially if the premise is it's the only way to get Notre Dame to join.

Big 24!

East: Penn State, Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State, Maryland, Rutgers, Indiana, Notre Dame
Central: Purdue, Illinois, Northwestern, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa, Nebraska, Colorado
Pathetic: UCLA, USC, California, Stanford, Oregon, Washington, Arizona, Arizona State

or

East: Penn State, Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State, Maryland, Rutgers
Central: Illinois, Northwestern, Wisconsin, Indiana, Purdue, Notre Dame
Mountain (Lack of Better Name): Minnesota, Iowa, Nebraska, Colorado, Arizona, Arizona State
Pathetic: UCLA, USC, California, Stanford, Oregon, Washington

In other sports, the Big Ten functions as two leagues, Big Ten East and Big Ten West. Teams don't play anyone on the other side of the river. Penn State would never travel further west than Madison for a conference game.

Kind of feel bad about leaving Utah out. They could replace one of the Arizona schools.
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(04-09-2020 04:19 PM)Statefan Wrote:  You mean like a Big 21

West:

USC, Cal, Oregon, Washington, Stanford, Arizona, Colorado

Central:

ND, Purdue, Iowa, Wisky, NW, Minn, Nebraska

East:

Pitt, Indiana, OSU, Michigan, MSU, Rutgers, Illinois

Playing a 6, permanent 2, a rotation of 3 and then the other 10 once a year for 10 conference games?

ND would have

Purdue, Iowa, Wisky,[/b}[b] NW, Minn, Nebraska, USC, and Pitt

One of Stanford/Arizona/Indiana

Rotate the rest.

That would put ND on the West Coast 5 of 6 years, but playing USC, Pitt, and Purdue every year. It would also likely put them in Chicago and Indianapolis every third year. I don't really see it.




Check the historical records to see how often ND has played the schools in bold, despite being relatively close to those schools.

There is little to no history between ND and those schools.

Being stuck playing in that division would be like playing in Siberia.

It would do nothing for ND, in fact, it would go against almost everything it wants to have a football program do for the school.
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(04-09-2020 01:50 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(04-09-2020 11:59 AM)JRsec Wrote:  
(04-09-2020 11:35 AM)ken d Wrote:  Although I previously submitted a proposal, I realize that it has almost no chance of ever happening. So I would like to submit this as my official entry (assuming we each only get one). This I think could happen.

Both the B1G and the SEC go to 18 with two divisions of nine teams each, and require that their members play 10 games against P5 competition. Each of these conferences stage a four team playoff, with the #1 team in each division playing the #2 team from the other in the semifinals. The SEC final is played at the Sugar Bowl on New Year's Day, and the B1G's at the Rose Bowl.

The PAC champion hosts the Fiesta Bowl, the Big XII the Cotton Bowl and the ACC the Orange Bowl. B1G and SEC semifinal losers get autobids to the NY6. The highest ranked conference champion or independent not otherwise in the field gets the final NY6 spot.

P5 conference makeup is as follows. Teams new to each conference are in bold type.

SEC:

East: Clemson, Georgia, Auburn, Florida State, Florida, South Carolina, Tennessee, Kentucky and Vanderbilt.

West: Alabama, LSU, Oklahoma, Texas A&M, Misssissippi State, Missouri, Texas, Ole Miss and Arkansas.

B1G:

East: Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State, Penn State, Indiana, Maryland, Purdue, Illinois, and Rutgers.

West: Oregon, Wisconsin, Stanford, Washington, Southern Cal, Iowa, Nebraska, Northwestern, and Minnesota.


PAC: Utah, Arizona State, UCLA, Arizona, Washington State, California, San Diego State, Oregon State, Colorado and Hawaii (FB only).

Big XII:

East: Central Florida, Memphis, West Virginia, Cincinnati, Houston and TCU.

West: Oklahoma State, Kansas State, Baylor, Kansas, Texas Tech and Iowa State.

ACC:

Atlantic: Georgia Tech, North Carolina, NC State, Duke, Virginia and Wake Forest.

Coastal: Virginia Tech, Miami, Louisville, Pitt, Boston College and Syracuse.

Independent: Notre Dame and BYU.

That's 72 teams in all, of which eight P5 schools and six G5 schools have changed their conference affiliation.

If I were the B1G, I would allow the four Pacific Coast schools to join for football only. An option for their Olympic sports could be the MWC, which would only have 10 members after losing SDSU. With a hoops schedule that gives each team 3 permanent home and home opponents and a full single round robin against the other 10 they would have a league schedule of 16 games, allowing the four new schools plenty of room to schedule former PAC rivals (and Gonzaga) OOC. Or, there is an outside chance the PAC would let them keep their Olympic sports there despite losing them for football.

The SEC and B1G can flex their political muscles and insist their champions be able to meet in a new bowl at Jerry World a week after New Years. Without a CFP, Notre Dame and the other conference champions have a theoretical path to a mythical national championship, as they did from 1936 to the start of the CFP. And every FBS school has a theoretical path to an NY6 berth.

The remaining 58 schools are free to reorganize as necessary to adjust for the loss of six schools to the autonomous power conferences.

That's an interesting format. How much of a temptation would a Big 10 with both Stanford and U.S.C. in it be to Notre Dame?

Notre Dame has always been a sticking point in trying to realign the power conferences. I finally decided to take them at their word that they would remain independent unless there were no other way they could compete for a national championship. So I gave them one. Granted, they (and anybody else not in the SEC or B1G) woud have an uphill battle convincing AP voters and Coaches' Poll voters that they are better than whoever emerges from what amounts to an 8 team playoff in those two conferences.

But, if they were to go undefeated against a schedule as challenging as those eight teams would have played, and the team that wins that playoff weren't one of the top four seeds, there could be some voters who would love to vote for them. Let's say for argument sake that, in addition to USC and Stanford, and a four game ACC schedule (due to fewer teams now in the ACC), that the Irish could schedule one team from each of these pairs: Texas or Oklahoma, Michigan or Michigan State, Alabama or LSU and Georgia or Florida.

A schedule like that could meet Notre Dame's needs. It puts them every year in the most fertile recruiting areas from the whole country. And it would in most years give them as many as six opponents that could be ranked in the top 15 nationally. They could even keep Navy on their schedule and a buy game without doing much damage to their SOS.

But why should the SEC and B1G cooperate to help the Irish build that kind of schedule? Well, for one thing, half of those games would be home games for those conferences every year, which helps their attractiveness to the media (not that they need a lot of help in that area).

Another part of my plan was to have the B1G and SEC require that each of their members play 10 P5 games a year. Note that I didn't say or mean 10 conference games. With 9 teams in each division, the CCG participants would be determined by their record in their 8 division games only, meaning everyone is measured against a full round robin.

I meant this to allow the west coast schools the ability to play OOC games against the PAC mates they left behind. So USC could play Notre Dame and UCLA OOC, and Stanford could play Notre Dame and Cal, while still being able to get seven home games. Washington and Oregon could play their instate rival, plus rotating games against Cal and UCLA. Without a concession like this on the part of the B1G, it may not be possible to convince these schools to break away.

Anyway, that was my thought process.



Make it so.
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Historical records show Notre Dame playing Northwestern 50 times and Nebraska/Indiana/Iowa/Wisconsin >15 times.
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